

Using Winamp vis. Plugins with xmms 240
protonman writes "...and you thought emulation was for watching quicktime trailers, playing nintendo games, or just running calc.exe. Think again,
Please welcome Winamp Visualization Plugins for XMMS, available now!"
Visuals. (Score:4, Funny)
Time to call all of the Linux-using stoners I know.
--saint
(Hey, this is my 500th post. Sheesh.)
Re:Visuals. (Score:3, Funny)
IF (Score:2)
Re:IF (Score:2, Informative)
Re:IF (Score:2)
Re:IF (Score:2)
Re:IF (Score:2, Informative)
Let's say you are UnFree Pure (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Let's say you are UnFree Pure (Score:2)
Otherwise, I believe you could find it in a normal windows installation.
Re:Let's say you are UnFree Pure (Score:1)
Re:Let's say you are UnFree Pure (Score:1)
Re:Let's say you run Debian on a Mac (Score:2)
WMA input plugin? (Score:4, Interesting)
MPlayer plays WMA (Score:3, Informative)
Re:WMA input plugin? (Score:1)
Re:WMA input plugin? (Score:1)
The avi-xmms plugin [xmms.org] can play wma.
Re:Batch File Rename (was Re:WMA input plugin?) (Score:2)
Should proof-read.
Scaling from Windows to WINE (Score:3, Funny)
stop using badly coded vis plugins! (Score:2)
check out geisswerks [geisswerks.com]. I can run all their plugins at max detail at 1024 x 768 on my xp 1800 system. I have run them on slower computers and the fps is ussually good.
Re:stop using badly coded vis plugins! (Score:1)
Re:stop using badly coded vis plugins! (Score:1)
www.geisswerks.com
Jaysyn
Re:Scaling from Windows to WINE (Score:1)
Perhaps you need to consider installing nVidia drives (since the MS ones sucked pretty badly).
Re:Scaling from Windows to WINE (Score:2, Informative)
Go update your drivers [nvidia.com]. Your system should be able to handle at least fullscreen 1024x768x32 Geiss or Whitecap or other 3D visualizations. Also, if you're talking about AVS, try not using the transparency option (that takes computing power, though if you've updated your drivers [nvidia.com], the alpha blending should be handled mostly in hardware anyway).
Please don't make the assumption that Windows is the reason your system is slow with graphically intense applications. Most visualizations are not a whole lot of computation (Winamp pre-calculates the fourier transforms on the dataset sent to vis plugins, so the plugins themselves need not do so).
Finally (Score:1)
Get stoned on multiple platforms! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Get stoned on multiple platforms! (Score:1)
Wouldn't the proper term for Microsoft's products be schwag in the eyes of the
Plugins by Geiss (Score:5, Informative)
A mini review (Score:5, Informative)
Install the plugin. Then if you're using WineX (as you should), you'll need to link
Now download Geiss or G-Force from Winamp.com and run `winex (whatever).exe'. Install as normal, the defaults will be fine.
Now start XMMS again. When you try and configure the WinAMP meta plugin, you should now be able to select the Plugin DLL you just installed.
Using Transgaming WineX 2.0 stable release, GeForce works fine, except the window doesn't move and is always on top. GeForce doesn't resize the screen when it tries to go fullscreen. I'm not sure if these are WineX problems, WinAMP meta plugins or otherwise, suffice to say that WineX handles this well already for most games it supports.
So yeah: G-Force and Geis are great. Various `dancer' type plugins failed miserably. But its a promising start, especially for an app that's only existed for a few weeks.
Re:A mini review (Score:1, Offtopic)
Er, I meant Geiss.
Something else: here's a
You don't really need to be root, but setting up RPM for regular users is left up to the reader.
Summary: Runs Windows programs (especially multimedia ones) under Linux
Name: winex
Version: 20020616
Release: 1mm
Source0: %{name}-%{version}.tar.bz2
License: APSL
Group: Applications/Emulators
BuildRoot: %{_builddir}/%{name}-%{version}
Requires: kernel >= 2.4, XFree86-devel, gcc >= 2.7.2, flex >= 2.5
Requires: bison, glibc >= 2
Conflicts: wine
%description
TransGaming WineX is a derivative of the Wine project. Wine is an implementation of the Microsoft® Win32® APIs on top of UNIX and X-Windows - in essence, it is a Windows® compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows to be installed, as it provides an alternative implementation of Windows written from scratch with no Microsoft code whatever.
TransGaming WineX includes a new implementation of the Microsoft DirectX multimedia APIs, including Direct3D - the core graphics system most Windows games use for hardware accelerated 3D.
%prep
%setup -q -n wine
%build
%configure
make depend
make
%install
%makeinstall
%post -p
%postun -p
%clean
rm -rf %{buildroot}
%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
%{_bindir}/*
%{
%doc README ANNOUNCE BUGS DEVELOPERS-HINTS LICENSE LICENSE.winehq
%changelog
* Sun Apr 7 2002 Mike MacCana 1mm
- Created packages
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Re:Plugins by Geiss (Score:2)
So kudos to the winex team for getting this to work. If it can run Ryan's code, it'll run just about anything.
Re:Plugins by Geiss (Score:2)
Ryan is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met, and a pretty cool guy as well. If I remember correctly, the guy never got an A- in his life.
By the way, did you live at 64 northwood in apt A? That apartment was soooo cool. I was very envious of Ryan and Vince. I lived in apartment D, and it was a shithole.
Re:Plugins by Geiss (Score:1, Offtopic)
As for the apartment, yeah, I lived there for two years with those fools, but left before the ceiling fell into the kitchen, before the third floor railing fell down, and at about the time the vomit stains on the wall behind the toilet started to decompose the drywall. Still talk to 'em all fairly often. Ryan's gone all weird(er) and worships trees now. And as for Vince... he's still in grad school. Since he reached the epitome of weirdness some time in '94, he can't really get any more weird.
Re:Plugins by Geiss (Score:1)
"Con-grad-u-ations"... and then he got this shit eating grin on his face, like he thought of something really clever.
For what it's worth, when I showed him my linux box, he really liked it, probably because it had a monstrous 21" monitor, but I never had him program in X. He did show interest in porting geiss to linux, but, at the time, xmms (then x11amp) had poor plugin support.
Plus, we were taking CIS 676, and were constantly studying.
About the apartment: That's really sick, but that landlord (Jack?) was such an ass. I remember one time our fuse box was literally sparking, and he came in and said "just turn off the circuit". After a month of paying our rent in escrow, he fixed it.
Did you live there from Au98-Sp99?
Re:Plugins by Geiss (Score:2)
I'd also suggest trying Andy O'Meara's WhiteCap [55ware.com] and G-Force [55ware.com]. GForce is similar to Geiss but definatly not the same and Whitecap is more like the oldschool specrtum visualisations but with some 3D goodness and mindblowing transitions.
Have some cheese with that WINE (Score:2)
Re:Have some cheese with that WINE (Score:1)
well, MadSpin is available natively [uiuc.edu] for xmms too...
Why bother with emulation? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why bother with emulation? (Score:2)
Universal desktop was part of the design intent (Score:1)
Windoze at that point in history was not a factor in the marketplace, but as Win16 software began to make it's way to users' hands in the early 1990s IBM added an integrated Win16 superset in Warp 3.0 Blue Label in 1994, that could be selectively installed or not at the user's whim. IBM contractual arrangements pretty much allowed them to to do as they pleased with Win16.
There was another major design objective in Warp: Authentic execution space for 32bit binaries. This was at least two years before M$ was even close to releasing Win95, which claimed to be a 32bit environment although large chunks of it weren't.
Windoze prevailed, but the reason for that is more to do with lies and rackettering than technology. This is the point in history where formerly helpful engineers began to say things that made no sense when I would call or write with a request for driver support.
OS/2 didn't die of natural causes - It was murdered. The best place to read details of this unfortunate episode in the development of our industry is in the sworn testimony given to the Jackson court by IBM and others.
Re:Why bother with emulation? (Score:2)
Think of it as virtual methadone.
There are a number of people who would like to switch to Linux but have a shopping list of excuses, 95% of it being "Can I read and write my Word documents?" and the rest being a number of Windows apps (eg Counterstrike) that they are convinced they can't live without. Each excuse we can tick off that list leads to a disturbance in the force, the cries of thousands of M$ lawyers fading as fast as the word 'dual' in "dual-boot machine"...
Phillip.
please don't feed the trolls (Score:3, Insightful)
i get so sick of people saying 'winamp is pointless b/c of xmms'
i guarantee you these are the same hypocrites who say 'gee, kde and gnome bring such great choice and variety to the linux desktop!'
how about we applaud a company that recognizes that there are linux users out there in the market and have actually put some resources towards noticing us as opposed to being so close minded against anything that didn't start on *nix? and no, i don't own stock in winamp and i use xmms all the time, i'm just saying we should _encourage_ ALL companies to make linux versions of their products even if there is already an alternative...
Not about Winamp, just its plugins! (Score:1)
This is not an article about winamp under wine; this is an article about winamp plugins under wine!
Sheesh!
Re:please don't feed the trolls (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:please don't feed the trolls (Score:2)
Re:please don't feed the trolls (Score:1)
Besides, where do you think XMMS'es GUI design comes from? They didn't even say a word about it...
plugin emulation (Score:1)
chron.virtualave.net
Whitecap and G-Force (Score:2, Informative)
Perhaps the best plugins would have to be:
GForce [55ware.com]
and
White Cap [55ware.com]
Both by the talented Andy O'Meara [55ware.com]
---Lane
Winamp 3 and Linux (Score:3, Informative)
Try the Linux Winamp alpha for yourself, maybe... (Score:3)
The alpha release of Winamp for Linux is available for download [nullsoft.com] from Nullsoft's site. A fairly lightweight 1.5MB download (XMMS was around 2MB last time I grabbed it). The press release for version 3 [winamp.com] has this to say about Linux and us maybe seeing other cross-platform code:
That bodes well. Maybe the Wasabi "platform" will allow more visual stuff, hoepfully for more than just an mp3 player. The license, I'm sure, won't be GPL or LGPL.I downloaded the alpha. It's a tarball all right, but it's a tourist in the Linux world and definitely not a native speaker. First off, the archive has hardcoded paths starting from /. It expects you (as root, I assume) to extract it from /, and it makes a /usr/local/Winamp directory for its files and then places a shell script in /usr/local/bin which runs /usr/local/Winamp/Winamp.exe (with an input file arg and STDIN/STDERR to /dev/null). This is very weird. I now have a binary file with a .exe extension at $HOME/download/win32/winamp/usr/local/Winamp and a shell script which points elsewhere.
I tried to run it manually, but forgot one other thing about the shell script: it adds /usr/local/Winamp/libs to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable. I didn't do this, so it wouldn't run. I added it, and Winamp.exe did in fact execute. But it didn't run long.
It looks like this is a debug build, which is unsurprising since it's an alpha. It ran and displayed various profiler messages and such (the app loaded completely in 3422ms, in case you were interested). Most of the output wasn't especially interesting or unusual, although it did have a few of what looked to be function names that simply said "Write me!". I happened to notice that among these unwritten items, both Systray::addIcon and Systray::setTip told me to write them. Again, in case you didn't know it was a work-in-progress, here you go. Except seeing as how I don't have a system tray to which an icon and its associated tooltip might be added, I wonder if this might not be a work based on Win32 version which is in progress...
When the .exe ran it tried to create what looked like 3 new windows. I assume that they were the main window, the EQ and the playlist window. I couldn't say for sure since the allocated screen real estate was simply black. These new windows were up for about 1 second then went away. On the console, I saw this final message before the app died:
I'm no X programmer, but that looks to me that the app is trying to draw something in a window -- a border or background image or some such -- and can't because some X API function call was expecting different args. I don't know. I'm using XF86 that comes with Red Hat 7.3, version 4.2.0. Maybe this Winamp alpha was built under a different version? Version 3.something maybe? At any rate, I can see why they redirect STDIN and STDERR from the shell script. This build spits out a lot of info.So there it is. I ran it with strace and watched all the "seek into my zipped-up skins files" hoo-ha fly by. I'm tired and it's late and I'm no longer all that curious as to what "Linamp" might be like, so I didn't go through it all of it very much. I did scan through it, though. Toward the end, I saw bunch of open() calls that failed because the files weren't found. I also saw some libpng warnings about incomplete streams. Offhand, I'd say that this alpha build actually does expect to be installed in a certain location. Although I can't imagine hard-coding paths, even in an alpha. More likely, I've got it all wrong and my theories are bunk. I didn't install it where it wanted to be, though. I like a little unsolved mystery sometimes.
Anyway, it'll be nice to have some choice once they get it working. When I switched from Windows to Linux, one of the things I really missed was Winamp's minibrowser. XMMS could use that feature.
-B
Re:Try the Linux Winamp alpha for yourself, maybe. (Score:2)
If this is their idea of a Linux port, they can keep it. (Of course, I'm biased...)
Re:Try the Linux Winamp alpha for yourself, maybe. (Score:2)
It's so annoying to have to open a web browser, go to www.shoutcast.com, search for the stream I want, and click on it... when I could just bookmark it within Winamp on windows...
XMMS rocks, where's a no-gui version for old PCs? (Score:5, Interesting)
mpg123 may support lowend PCs, but XMMS has the biggest selection of plugins of any GPL MP3 player. e.g., this plugin [sourceforge.net] for that remote [x10.com].
We all have doorstops, ahem... older computers, that could be headless mp3 servers, great gifts, eco "Reuse me baby!" friendly, and even RULE Project consistent.
So where is the full command line and no-GUI version of XMMS?
xmms-shell [sourceforge.net] [dead link] was a great start at the command line part. It has very detailed input and output of status, settings and more from the command-line. XMMS-control [joethielen.com] provides a web gui for XMMS via xmms-shell. XMMS project should encorporate a command line that elegantly handles ALL GUI commands and info displayed.
Removing the GUI, and adding full/powerful command line, would support many recipes for mp3 server.
My recipe for a server would have a headless box, wirelessly connected to the Home Entertainment Center via DVD Anywhere with remote [x10.com] for song skipping. Samba Server for LAN users to play music, and create playlists. A web gui for XMMS, particularly for selecting playlists (auto-converted from LAN users playlists to local). Command line also creates opportunity for a TV style GUI, to properly handle TV-out videocard, that DVD Anywhere can send to the TV!
Ideally an integrated XMMS command line would seemlessly handle multiple instances of XMMS and multiple sound cards, and dynamic reassignment of sound cards to a particular XMMS instance, for powerful whole house sound system with as many zones as sound cards on the MP3 server. e.g., play same song in every zone/room in the house at the start of the party such as Stones "Start me up", later break out the living room zone to another XMMS instance running dance music playlist, and patio to jazz. Later, reunify the all the sound cards/rooms/zones to the XMMS instance playing Jazz.
-Nathaniel
Re:XMMS rocks, where's a no-gui version for old PC (Score:1)
Those are interesting ideas .. something that I've not missed, but I can certainly see the use for it.
There's only one feature in XMMS which I'm lacking - the ability to seek within audio streams. I keep thinking of diving in and looking over the code .. but I never quite get round to it.
Consider.. (Score:2)
Consider using AlsaPlayer [alsaplayer.org] as the backend for your project. AlsaPlayer supports so called interface plugins, where you can write your own custom front-end to the player if your needs are that specific. The current CVS version supports a "daemon" interface where the player will just run as a background process and accept commands through the libalsaplayer [sourceforge.net] control interface. There are already a couple of projects preparing to switch to this interface. I know of at least one commercial project that is currently programming a backend.
</plug>
-adnans
Re:Consider.. (Score:2)
I have some live albums (including Pink Floyd's P.U.L.S.E.) and there is no perceived gap between songs. You can further tweek the 1/10th second startup time of a new song in the playlist. The only requirement is that your storage media is fast enough to not loose to much time finding the next file.
i'd love to use a different engine, but it needs a gapkiller plugin.
I will think about it, it should be fairly easy to implement. One advantage AlsaPlayer has is that it can do it's own internal mixing i.e. you don't need to do funny buffering to do stuff like crossfading and I would think gap detection. This keeps the controls very responsive because there's no need for very deep audio buffers.
-adnans
Client/Server (Score:2)
Visualizations and video formats would be handled by the client telling the server where to display - obviously the server can use XShm, DRI or Xv if it is displaying locally.
Right now, my MP3 server is running in the basement, feeding into the house sound system. But to make that work, I had to set up VNC so that I can display XMMS remotely whichever computer I am on. This sucks, since VNC isn't cheap from a resource standpoint.
Despite what so many hypotrolls here on
Re:Client/Server (Score:1)
Re:Client/Server (Score:2)
Absolutely. I wrote a client/server jukebox program a while back to get me this functionality. The server stores the playlist internally and uses mpg321 (mpg123 gave me some problems) to play the music. Any number of clients can connect and modify the playlist, and then disconnect without disrupting the playlist. It would be very nice to be able to use XMMS as a client for my server.
The code is not particularly great, but it works well on our mp3 archive, which is stored on a headless machine with only 32 MB RAM and a 200MHz processor. I never released it to the public before, but if anybody wants to check it out, it's at http://locust.lcs.mit.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/flyn n/ [mit.edu]. It is written in Perl.
Before trying to make XMMS able to talk to it, it would probably make sense to change it to use TCP instead of Unix domain sockets. Right now the client has to run on the same machine as the server.
noah
Yoink !! (Score:1)
Glad to see the XMMS team has taken the initiative to use WINE to obtain visualizations from Winamp, a great move IMHO since there's already a ton of great vis plugins available. It'll be interesting to see if Winamp 3.x for linux makes a similar move..
There's a newer version of my plugin than the 1.50 from winamp.com if you want to give the 2.0 beta a try in Linux..
http://www.cubicproductions.com/20beta.html [cubicproductions.com] enjoy..
Warning there's still a lot of bugs as I've been really too busy the past few years to keep it up to date.. But 2.0 will be the final release from the c codebase.
I'll be starting a new open source, c++, cross-platform plugin for winamp 3.x sometime in the next year based on a new 3D engine I'm developing..
Charles J. Cliffe
Re:Yoink !! (Score:2)
It will be interesting to see how things look, as I used to run Winamp 2.x with WINE and some of the WVS effects didn't look right.
--jquirke
FreeAmp is to Zinf as WinAmp is to.... (Score:2)
Zinf is based on the FreeAmp® source code. However, AMP® is a trademark of PlayMedia Systems, Inc., and therefore the original name of the project cannot be used anylonger. On this website the old project will be referred to as FreeA*p.
xmms plugins (Score:2, Interesting)
If you dont want the module, dont install it... I i never was big into the visualization stuff...
one plugin that i'd cream over is something to allow xmms to use mplayer as the back-end for all media files. xmms has a nice clean interface (thanks to winamp) and mplayer plays almost every format out there (and i'm sure real support will be cleaner soon and sorenson will be added)
a tad off-topic --- does anyone else have trouble playing rm files in mplayer CVS? -- It dies after about a minute and 9 seconds on all rm files.. and the sync is off HORRIBLY
sonique and Aorta (Score:1)
But the most impressive vis plugin I have ever seen is for the (discontinued) Sonique [lycos.com] player, and is called THe Rabbit Hole [lycos.com].
Truly amazing how it reacts to music, and even to non-technoid one. (Which is the major drawback of most vis plugins IMO, that they work best with technoid sounds.)
Try it out if you have some spare time & bandwidth
Remember what the dormouse said...
Interesting Idea(?) (Score:2)
Now that this runs w/ XMMS, what I (assume we can now do) is run the WinAmp Plugins in fullscreen, on a seperate Virtual Desktop and apply the changes to it. Have the DLP projector project only the fullscreen VisPlugin's output and use the other desktop to make the changes -- no crappy 'behind-the-curtains' revelations for the party guests who would otherwise enjoy the output as a sort-of real-time-art-poster that reacts to the music....
But I 'spose someone will tell me i could have already done this...
Re:Too bad... (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Too bad... (Score:1)
This is about winamp's plugins, not winamp itself. Read more carefully before you comment.
Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and XMMS still doesn't seem to have good aRts support. This sucks, too.
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:1)
Look in your prefs, does "Crossfading DirectSound Output Plugin" ring a bell?
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:1)
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:1)
It's not a 3rd party plugin; it ships with all new WA distributions.
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:1)
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:2)
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:2)
I always wanted that feature and if I haven't read this thread on slashdot, I would have never known that the problem is already solved. Put it in the default distro, only the most esoteric/unstable plugins should not be included.
Thanks for the tip, by the way :-)
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:2)
That's not really an XMMS problem but it could be adressed by them or the distros. It should be easy to fix. Someone could volunteer to make a bundle of the usefull plugins and to make a single installer for all of them.
Fede
Re:Winamp is better than XMMS (Score:1)
Just my experience with Winamp. Of course I took Winblows off again after I'd had enough WC3...
Re:Too bad... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Too bad... (Score:3, Flamebait)
Re:Too bad... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Too bad... (Score:2)
Re:Too bad... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Too bad... (Score:2)
Re:Too bad... (Score:1)
Re:Too bad... (Score:2, Insightful)
Freeamp [freeamp.org] used to annoy me but it has grown on me as it has developed. Maybe the linux winamp can do the same but it will still probably take a back seat to xmms in my book. YMMV.
Re:With FreeAmp, a lot depends on the skin (Score:1)
I was having some problems on my system that were crashing Xmms consistently and started using FreeAmp while I was figuring out the problem. The FreeAmp way of doing things reminds me of iTunes in a lot of ways. I'm appreciating that way of doing things more all the time.
I still prefer Xmms but we will have to see what the future holds. I think Xmms has come a long way from the winamp clone it used to be and FreeAmp has improved much too.
I used to use X11amp all the time and then wondered what happened to it. I was relived to find that it had become Xmms.
Re:Too bad... (Score:1)
Re:Yea !!! (Score:1)
Where is the native Linux app does this?
Re:Yea !!! (Score:1)
Re:Yea !!! (Score:1)
Um, either you have never used Winamp, never used XMMS, or have been using too many visualization plugins yourself, but...
Winamp starts in less than a second, does practically nothing to your system when you install (I can literally copy and paste my winamp directory onto a floppy, bring the floppy to another computer, and have winamp run there as if it has never left), contains far more configuration options than Xmms, and can handle playlists of an absolutely collosal length with grace. It has a tremendous number or plugins of varying quality, compared to XMMS's relatively few or similarly varying quality (simply compare the number or plugins listed at xmms.org compared to winamp.com). As for "optimized for your computer": music plays at 1second/second. What difference does it make if your decoding engine is capable of playing .5ms faster, if it's still only going to play at 1x?
I'll give you "source is available", but that does not, ipso facto, make it a better product.
Re:Yea !!! (Score:1)
He's talking about the impact of the decoding of the (compressed) songs on your system, I guess.
Re:Yea !!! (Score:2)
XMMS has always started up quicker than Winamp for me... Perhaps your Un*x install sucks (Lots of Linux newbies don't know about hdparm.). As for Winamp doing nothing to your system, that's rubbish. Winamp puts MULTIPLE entries in your Directories' contex menus, installs the "Winamp Agent" in the system tray, automatically takes over every file-type it can, etc.
What have you been smoking? XMMS certainly does have more options. I have never had any problems with XMMS playlists (Colossal is too vague for me).
XMMS has plugins for every format you could want (VQF, AAC, MPEG, etc), which work great! Winamp may have MORE, but most are things like "Let people on IRC know you are listening to Brittany Spears"...
Re:Yea !!! (Score:1)
Associate with files
Associate with Audio CDs
Add Start Menu Icons
Add Desktop icon
Add Quicklaunch icon
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Preserve file associations
I seem to recall from the last time I was in XMMS (a couple of weeks ago, when I was playing around with Gentoo), that my preferences menu consisted of input/output/visualization plugins, as well as a few general options. My memory may be faulty, but that's how I remember it. As does WinAmp, in addition to many more quality plugins. I don't see how you can get much quicker than a second. Even if you did, what difference would it make at that scale? A 3x speed-up means nothing if we're talking about the difference betweenRe:Yea !!! (Score:3, Funny)
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But, of course, you've given no support for your claims, so there's no reason I should take you seriously in the first place.
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Sure XMMS may be [godlike]...
Yes, most of these things you say are true (I personally love the combination of the joystick control and osd plugins), but the thing that keeps me from using xmms rather than iTunes on my iBook is proper support for ID3v2.[0-3] tags. And I don't mean that half arsed support where it can sometimes just read some v2 tags, I want full read/write support damnit! Oh, and a decent SPC player plugin that supports ID666 tags/lengths properly would be nice too (I use Winamp in Wine for this), anyone know of any solutions to these?
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Are you trying to be a troll, or are you just misinformed? xmms uses the same skin format as WinAmp does--a bunch of .BMP files with standardized names, all concatenated into one zip file. Just put any Winamp skin into /usr/share/xmms/Skins/ (system-wide) or ~/.xmms/Skins/ (for one user). This is fully documented in the man page for xmms and has been there for at least 2 years.
Re:This is sad (Score:2)
I posted yesterday nearly the same thing and got modded +1 then -1 flamebait then -1 troll.Mods, put down your crack pipe before your knee-jerk reaction kicks in.