Douglas Adams, Narnia, and Trailers 380
A few interesting movie tidbits: Joel Greengrass writes "Final post-production has been completed on the long awaited documentary, 'Life, the Universe, and Douglas Adams.' Narrated by Neil Gaiman, the film is a tribute documentary about the life, loves, and passions, of the greatest sci fi comedy writer ever, Douglas Adams. The film will be available for sale on August 4 at douglasadams.com."
Reader The_Shadows writes "Sci-fi Storm and Scfi.com's Scifi-wire are reporting that Walden Media exercised options for feature-length, big screen versions of the Chronicles of Narnia, by C. S. Lewis. They have also found an Emmy award winning writer (Ann Peacock) to adapt the most famous book, 'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.'" And finally, there's an interesting piece about the process of turning a two-hour movie into a two-minute trailer.
Excercised options... (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course that doesn't mean it will get any further than the film on Doom did.
Sam
How to Make a Trailer: (Score:3, Funny)
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That's a common tactic
Re:How to Make a Trailer: (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't mind misleading trailers nearly as much as the ones that give too much away. For example, Disney's "Iron Will", a great flick about a dogsled race. The trailer showed the goddamned end of the race! I realize it was based on a true story, but it was a story that maybe 2% of moviegoers knew, and that's being generous.
Then there are the trailers which both give away the ending, and mislead you about the kind of film it is. (spoiler warning) For example, a trailer for "Cast Away" showed Tom Hanks getting home and being alienated from the world he left behind. Not only was that giving away the ending (grrr!), but it also made it look like the last 2 or 3 reels were about a rescued castaway trying to adapt back to the world, a film that might have been interesting if done well... But, as you hopefully already know if you are reading this after the spoiler warning, that's not what the film was. The whole damn movie is about whether he will survive and be rescued or not, and the part after the rescue is a 10 minute epilogue at the end of a 2 and a half out movie.
Re:How to Make a Trailer: (Score:2, Interesting)
I remember seeing the trailers for Hot Shots (that *awful* Top Gun parody) and thinking it looked pretty funny. When my buddies and I went to see it in the theater, we discovered that ALL of the previews came from the openning credits. Assuming the rest of the movie must suck (or else they would pull scenes from it) we left. Snuck into a different movie.
Much later I rented the movie and was relieved that I left when I did in the theater.
Come to think of it, that was the only time a movie trailer has ever done anything for me. Usually (at least lately) they serve only as spoilers for movies. Now I flip the channel whenever a preview for a movie I want to see comes on TV and I try to show up for movies late to avoid the trailers.
That's a teaser, this is a trailer... (Score:5, Funny)
No, that's a teaser.
A trailer is where you start with some soothing an peaceful scene, when
[Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells"/Sam the Sham & the Pharoahs' "Louie Louie"/Smashmouth's "All-Star"]
starts playing and Don LaFontaine [everything2.com] intones the words "In a world
[gone mad/where dreams come true/where shit happens]..."
and some fast paced cuts show the the audience that this movie is supposed to be
[scary/funny/action-packed].
Then Mr. Fontaine tells us about the "one
[man/woman/dog]
[brave/smart/stupid]
enough to
[fight for something/change everything/screw everything up]"
while we see our protagonist looking
[determined/happy/dumb as a sack of hammers].
Then a quick montage of the
[funniest/exploding-est/tear-jerking-est]
scenes interspersed with a voiceover telling us what
[A-list/B-list/C-list]
celebrities have top billing and that the movie is
[based on a book by somebody/based on a true story/based on an older, better movie/from the director of some other movie that made money],
then finally we get the title of the movie and a screenful of tiny text acknowledging all the people who got paid enough to feed a village in Botswana for a
[month/year/decade]
for their work on the film.
This is a standard part of any film school curriculum, you see. Job applications in Hollywood test you on this stuff.
-Isaac
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Narnia Movie (Score:3, Interesting)
Admittedly, I'm a little hesitant about how a filmmaker could bring CS Lewis' vision to the big screen, but I'll still fork over my $8.50 to see it.
If the Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe does well, maybe some conglomerate studio can hire Tim Burton to film CS Lewis' other great book: The Screwtape Letters.
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Kintanon
Re:Narnia Movie (Score:2, Informative)
Here is the link for the video (I don't feel like coding a link, sorry):
http://www.bbcshop.com/bbc_shop/dept.asp?dept_id=
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-Tim
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I don't think so. Just because arguements are lousy doesn't mean their conclusions are wrong, and just because I think his apologism is lousy doesn't mean I think all of his conclusions are wrong.
From all available historical accounts, Jesus was respected as a teacher and perhaps even a prophet, even by those who were not his followers. (Both Jewish and Islamic tradition regard him as a very noteworthy ethicist, etc.)
Not sure if you mean this to be your arguement or Lewis', but it is highly misleading. Not all historians agree on this, and certainly not all Jews (and some Muslims, though Jesus IS religiously validated in their tradition). In a way, Lewis is trying to refute exactly these people: that respect Jesus but don't think he's God. But Lewis entirely ignores that many of these people have much more complex reasoning than simply praising Jesus as a great ethical teacher: many, like Jefferson, did so only after rejecting certain aspects of Jesus' claimed teaching and acts that they DID find to be immoral and nutty. In addition, almost none of Christ's ethical teachings are original to him. Indeed, the one major contribution he made has: eternal suffering for unbelief: precisely the teaching that many people who like his other teachings, consider a moral abomination.
Yet, he claimed to be God. Not just "a god," which would not be all that noteworthy. He went into a Monothiestic culture and claimed to be the One-And-Only divine being.
First of all, this is not as obvious as Lewis claims it is. Jesus' claims about his own divnity are controversial, not straightforward, Lewis' reading is hardly the plain or only one.
Now, when somebody makes a remarkable claim like this, there are really only three possible conclusions you can draw:
This set of carefully constrained options is begins the very weak line of argumentation. It's also possible, for instance that he was misquoted, or that he was misunderstood, possibly by later followers who needed to create a new theology about him and his life to rescue his teachings after his death.
Lewis pointed out that anybody who actually believes himself to be God, and isn't, is a complete nut.
Except this relies upon, yet again, a very closeminded concept of sanity. It's perfectly possible that a person could have some brilliant beliefs, and some delusional ones. It's perfectly possible that their views develop over time.
When we examine the record of Christ's words, deeds, and how people and society reacted to him, it looks like the chance of him being a nut can probably be ruled out.
Why? Many people in the Gospels clearly thought he was a nut, and there is plenty of behavior that would most certainly be nutty IF he wasn't in fact god, which would assume Lewis conclusion. The NT gives these interpretation into his actions: but that simply begs the question we are supposed to be considering (for instance, the killing of the barren fig tree, which is certainly loony unless you first assume that its a metaphor for Israel).
The liar arguement works the same way: by pleading ignorance as to why and how someone could possibly do that. And the plain of the matter is that MANY people, even in Christ's time, did that. In fact, the lord/liar/lunatic arguement could be used by anyone to argue that countless other professed gods were real gods, or indeed that countless non-Christian religious phophets were real phrophets.
So, that's the gauntlet that Lewis threw down: Jesus is either Lord, lunatic, or liar.
But the guantlet is a tricked out situation. Most real people, even the greatest, are a mix of lunacy, lying, and powerful insights. Lewis' arguement requires that we forget that, not to mention the usual ignoring of the possibility that Jesus's followers developed their theology of his teachings over time. But regardless of ones opinion on this, the fact that Lewis ignores this possibility invalidates the force of his deductive arguement, even if we grant the fantasy view of human psychology that he thinks rules out the liar/lunatic arguement.
Re:Narnia Movie (drifting slightly OT) (Score:3, Insightful)
Lewis pointed out that anybody who actually believes himself to be God, and isn't, is a complete nut. Charles Manson, for example, is one such complete nut. When we examine the record of Christ's words, deeds, and how people and society reacted to him, it looks like the chance of him being a nut can probably be ruled out.
The problem here is that neither Lewis nor anyone else knows the odds that someone who claims to be God is a complete lunatic. I happen to know several people like this (they all accept the premise that Man is God, and they appear, at least to me, to be sane and honest). Implicit in Lewis's argument is the fourth case where Jesus claims to be God, is wrong, and is not a lunatic -- either because he's actually mistaken, or because he's speaking metaphorically. If I had to weigh these four options against each other, then the mostly-sane-but-wrong option strikes me as the most likely.
Lewis does some impressive hand-waving to try to make us believe the false dillema that he's created, but it's still a false dillema.
Re:Narnia Movie (drifting slightly OT) (Score:3, Funny)
reacted to him, it looks like the chance of him being a nut can probably be ruled out.
This doesn't follow. There are have been many examples of "complete nuts" who were nonetheless very charismatic and influential. Jim Jones, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Richard Stallman... ;^)
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Narnia (Score:3, Interesting)
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The BBC series was VERY close to the books, as you might expect. (no damn hollywood "make it our own" motivation).
I think they will remain the best 'screen' adaptation. I think narnia is best left as a very personal experience. As such, in some ways, I'm not sure it even belongs on "the big screen".
2 minute movie trailers (Score:4, Funny)
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (Score:3, Insightful)
But anyway, it's sort of a shame to see the best literatre of my youth ("'The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe', 'Lord of the Rings', etcetera) turned into Hollywood extraveganzas. Where's the imagination? The visualization of the scenes and characters was, for me, the whole joy in those works? Perhaps it's just a sign of our times, that an active imagination is now considered to be a Bad Thing.
Admittedly, a fantastic job has been done with LotR, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Re:The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (Score:2)
All three "Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe" will be created using cgi.
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No offense to anyone here, but I for one wasn't terribly impressed with the LOTR movie. I thought it looked and sounded amazing. .
After seeing Harry Potter, I thought that the movie did a MUCH better adaption of the book than LOTR did. The scenes that were removed made sense. The changes made the movie more accessible. They were not for the sake of adding hot actresses. After seeing the movie, I wanted to read the book, so I did--and enjoyed it. I don't think this is because I saw the movie before reading the book either.
Looking ahead to the Chronicles, I'm somewhat worried. I see a potential for a lot of bad CG (wasn't Harry Potter's strongpoint either). I just hope that whoever helms the project reads the whole series along with a biography of C.S. Lewis (a fascinating man who was a very close friend of Tolkien's. Spoke many languages and was extremely christian) before looking at any script treatments. Also, he/she might want to watch the cartoon version, which I remember as being pretty close to the story and quite enjoyable.
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They're going to sue any little kids who have the audacity to make it known that they are a fan (Harry Potter)/make a damn fine silver screen adaptation with plenty of subtle homoeroticism? [nyu.edu](LotR)
Narnia (Score:5, Insightful)
Narnia has been banned from my local school district do to 'religious' content. Pisses me off, had it not been for Narnia there is a good chance that I would never have developed my love of reading. Liberals
And what the hell is wrong with
(By banned I mean it was banned from being read in the classroom as part of school work or assignments, students can still check them out from the Library of course, I mean they
I do think that some of C. S. Lewis's works should be mandatory reading though if just to show students that things do NOT have to be the way that they are. My word, people cannot even IMAGINE that schools used to not have as much fighting or sex in them!
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My Nephew said the whole family read after Dinner.
Then, he arrives this Summer and finds out that his Father's church has recently banned the book and now he and his Step-Borthers are forbidden from reading it, watching the movie, or discussing the story.
My 9 year-old Nephew's comment: "What's different between this Summer and last?"
Sad...
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
Why is that such a revelation?
Re:Narnia (Score:3, Insightful)
Do they use Greek Mythology as part of school work or assignments? If so, I smell a double standard that may need exploration.
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Oh hell yes, heck 3 months was spent on Muslim culture, a good year on Chinese religion and culture, 2 months on Mexican Folklore, and so forth. Very comprehensive education in every area BUT Christianity. (well, not completely true, the Spanish Inquisition and such was covered marvelously, but the entire mythos was ignore)
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
Maybe Lewis can get back into the classrom with "Til We Have Faces"
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Which district is this? Seems pretty whack of them: do they also ban T.S. Eliot's the Wasteland? Lewis's book isn't even singualrly Christian: though I could see how class discussion (which is what classroom interaction would involve) couldn't avoid but talk about the Christian allegory, and maybe its that discussion that they fear.
---I do think that some of C. S. Lewis's works should be mandatory reading though if just to show students that things do NOT have to be the way that they are.---
Isn't this what MOST fiction, especially fantasy fiction, "shows." Not that I agree with banning Lewis from assingments, but this comment seems a little silly.
---People must be reminded that it IS possible to get through schooling without punching and fucking your way from one class to the next.
And reading Lewis will do all that?
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In Narnia? Even if so, how is just reading these books supposed to prevent kds in school from doing bad things? That's what you were talking about: not actually changing schools to better accord with Lewis' opinions.
---C. S. Lewis writes about the coming of the "experimental schools" (I forget what the exact term he uses for them is) that are mixed gender instead of segregated. He mentions the increase in problems of violence and harassment that appear within those schools.---
Wait a minute: now you're bypassing an entire line of assumptions and claims simply by referencing Lewis' opinion. Even if it were demonstrable that schools are worse now (and that's far from a settled question), that doesn't in the least demonstrate that gender is to blame.
---Before reading that particular series of passages, I did not even
I would guess that neither nor Lewis had much of an idea about "the way things were before" in regards to their "shittiness," and even less as to WHY schools of any period are the way they are.
---The only time that anybody ever hears of 'girls' or 'boys' schools is in reference to private schools that are considered 'old fashion' and 'outdated' and that 'young people' (they are called KIDS folks, children, NON-ADULTS) do not learn how to 'socialize' (read: screw) properly when attending them.---
Nonsense: gender segregated schools have been a hot topic, and there are many successful schools.
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As can conservatives... but I'll agree that banning books because they were inspired by religion is absurd.
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I seem to recall the Bible being available in my high school library, along with a copy of the Book of Mormon that looked like it had never been checked out. I don't recall a copy of the Koran, but I know the Bhagavata Gita (sp?) was there.
"Men without chests" (Score:2)
Lewis got his revenge on these idiots in advance through his withering commentary on exactly this kind of thinking in the book "The Abolition of Man". (As well as his description of Eustace's parents and the school they sent him to.) The Abolition of Man should be required reading for the school administrators that made this decision (or ALL school administrators for that matter).
Re:"Men without chests" (Score:2)
I think Lewis would probably think HS is too old to start Latin. Little kids find the necessary memorization a lot easier (or at least less boring, though, still... it IS boring.) than older kids. Also I don't know that English has less excess baggage. In fact listening to foriegn friends who had to learn English as a second language I get the impression that English has more baggage.
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Narnia has been banned from my local school district do to 'religious' content. Pisses me off...
That's just plain idiotic. Narnia's a far cry from, say, the Screwtape Letters. What are they going to do next, ban Shakespere for Christian overtones?
Liberals /can/ go to far at times.
Heh, so can conservatives. Harry Potter comes most immediately to mind.
I think we should teach kids about all the different major religions, including the holy books of each, so that we can give both evangelicals and atheists a massive coronary.
I do think that some of C. S. Lewis's works should be mandatory reading though if just to show students that things do NOT have to be the way that they are. My word, people cannot even IMAGINE that schools used to not have as much fighting or sex in them! .... Ugh! People must be reminded that it IS possible to get through schooling without punching and fucking your way from one class to the next. :(
OK, so help me out here. Exactly how is C S Lewis, in particular, supposed to accomplish this?
Re:Narnia (Score:2, Insightful)
Lewis was in many reagrds a fine writer, but he was also a deeply fucked up guy with serious problems vis-a-vis women. He was a strong opponent of tertiary education for women (unlike his friend Tolkien), amongst other things.
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In your particular situation of being pissed at the local school district for banning Lewis' religiously inspired books you may enjoy "That Hideous Strength" more on a second reading. The whole book is a commentary lampooning & warning against the kind of thinking that goes into such a decision.
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I can see that, in fact it was my first impression of the book as well. I have found that I have enjoyed the book more now that I am older and I have read some of his other books. I see "That Hideous Strenth" as an illustration of Lewis' social and political thinking, especially "The Abolition of man" (see my other post above).
As a hard core Tolkien fan I also was intrigued by the Tie-in with middle earth.
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Although there was religious inspiration, there was no religious dogma. The same goes for LoTR. Both Lewis and Tolkien collaborated at times and both were known Christians. And what about Madeleine L'Engle? An incredible author with incredible books, also influenced by Christianity. Also, Atheism is just as much a world view as [Insert Religion Here]. All books are influenced by the authors worldview. The problem comes when these worldviews are taught as "The Right View" in a public school system. I don't think any of the mentioned books are selling a worldview of any sort. It's one thing to study a religious text in class, and then preach it as being the Truth. It's another to read a fictional story that is mearly influenced by the authors worldview.
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The funny thing is, when I first read this post, for a second I was vaguely ticked off that someone might ban a book based on its simple religious allusions, but then a little voice in the back of my head said "yeah, right. Nobody banned any 'Chronicles of Narnia.'"
By banned I mean it was banned from being read in the classroom as part of school work or assignments, students can still check them out from the Library of course
A few seconds later, and it turns out that little voice was correct. "Banned" in this case is being incorrectly used to mean "not included in the curriculum." Big deal. Lots of books weren't included in the curriculum. Those crazy liberals! They ban books but forget to like, try to stop anyone from reading them.
People must be reminded that it IS possible to get through schooling without punching and fucking your way from one class to the next
I hate people like this cause they talk about high school like it's one long orgy of drug use, oral sex, compulsory homosexuality, and secular indoctrination. If that's the case, then WHY DIDN'T I GET ANY?
Re:Banned books (Score:2)
yaah, and let all the poor people rot!
Feh.
Look at Korea if you want an idea of what 'privatized' education will get you. . .
On the plus side, Japan has a rather nice privatized education system, but then again the whole entire cultural incentive towards honor and creating a good name for ones self, and in this instance one's educational institution, is a major part of that, factors which American society lacks in the same quantity that Japanese society has.
It has already been shown that American schools will put up with almost any level of B.S. students in order to keep funding, where as many schools in Japan will kick out disgraceful students in order to keep a good name.
Of course there is a strong downside to that as well, namely that students who could be helped by patience and perseverance will end up being screwed over and just kicked out on the street.
As in the past one of those students whom that would have happened to had such a system been in place, and almost happened to under the current system any ways, I am not a fan of such a system that would discriminate against students with behavioral problems who DO want to improve themselves.
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Most private schools also have other large sources of income available (like endowments) that public schools do not. Nor do they generally have to spend money on things like books (parents buy them), disciplinary programs (they have a much better behaved and more intelligent students), etc. But if _every_ school became a private school, the amount of money spent ont he average student might be more or less than the current average public school student. But you can't just assume that a figure from the current system will be reflected in a completely new system.
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
It's a strange trilogy - 3 books in 3 very different styles.
I read somewhere that at the same time he was writing Perelandra he was writing a more scholarly commetary/analysis on Milton's Paradise Lost. Some see Perelandra as that commentary in novel form.
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It is made fairly clear that Lewis did not particularly enjoy this part of school. He makes clear that his non-judgmental tone in "Suprised by Joy" was NOT becuase he thought it was OK but because it had no attraction for him and he did not want to engage in "empty polemics against enemies I have not met in battle"
Lewis isn't entirely shy about his opinion of homosexuality though, "Fairy" Hardcastle in That Hideous Strength is a rather brutal satire on lesbianism.
Adams (Score:5, Insightful)
I happened to open to the bit where they go to see God's final message to his creation. I'm not normally a very emotional person, but when I was reading that I cried like a little kid. For a geek like me, Adams was my John Lennon -- hearing that there just wasn't going to be anymore stories made the world seem gray.
I wonder if the book made up from his notes is worthwhile, or if it'll just seem.. I dunno... wrong.
Aslan (Score:2, Funny)
Chronicles of Narnia / Potter (Score:2, Interesting)
My real point of this post is I often comment that I think Harry Potter really isn't that different from the Narnia books. I think the success is just a product of modern marketing on something of quality. If C. S. Lewis was writing now, I think we would see the series become a wild success, just like Potter.
I am not really commenting on the quality of the movie, more the books. The movie was alright, and it did stay true to the story, but it was not a classic or anything. I think the C. S. Lewis books would be the same way if they were coming out now. Great books, enjoyed and loved by poeple around the world, but they would also become a piece of pop culture. 1000's of toys and games, movies, etc. of varying quality would come of them.
Problem with publishers Rant. (Score:5, Interesting)
The series should stay the way it was written, not re-ordered [narnia.com] by a focus group and committee. This is what leads to mediocre films, books, and music.
See also: Ren and Stimpy, The Simpsons, NSYNC & Britney (and their ilk), Dr. Pepper Red Fusion, New Coke, any Disney anything, Windows ME, ect.
I know repackaging "content" and the like is a fine way to make an extra buck when the bottom line needs a push and nobody wants to take a chance, but just leave it alone already!
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I have no idea if C.S. Lewis thought the books should be read out of chronological order or not, but the current order is in the correct chronology.
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I first read the Narnia books when I was about 10. They have to be the first books I ever read that I still read today.
When I first expressed an interest in the Narnia books I was told that The Magician's Nephew was the first. But as my Grandparent's copy had dissapeared I was given The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe first, and The Magician's Nephew second (when my constant moaning forced the purchase of a replacement copy). I then read the remainder in chronological order.
Some 20 years later I've just discovered the order I've always thought was correct was wrong. On reflection I'm sure that reading The Magician's Nephew second taught me something valuable about literature. When I discovered that there was a "correct" order I just knew I had to read them in that order.
A quick google lead to this link [demon.co.uk]. Which indicates that there are actually 3 orders, the chronological order, the published order, and the written order. There is also some evidence presented that Lewis expressed a mild preference for the chronological order
So I suppose the "correct" order is the one you believe in. So I think I'm going to go back to thinking as The Magician's Nephew as the "second" book. And then I'll follow the written order.
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Well, I read them over 15 years ago also, and The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe was the first book. I don't know how on earth you got yours that way. That really is an oddity.
I did just notice on Narnia.com that there are these colored book sets you can read. That's not the traditional version. The traditional are these white books with picture illustrations on the front, in the box set. I suppose they could have reboxed them.
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The order you refer to (and the original poster complains about) is the chronological order of events in the story. The order of (I think) publication is the older ordering (the one in my collection, and apparently in the original poster's). That order is:
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
A Horse and His Boy
The Magician's Nephew
The Last Battle
Chronological order would put TMN at the beginning, and HHB before Prince Caspian.
Re-reading for Narnia (Score:2)
Here [walden.com] is their official press release. For those too lazy (like me) to go, it summarizes the Chronicles and the movie plans. It also has the date of the official announcement: December 6, 2001.
I guess they weren't doing a huge amount to publicize it. I hadn't heard anything about it until today. Ah well. It was probably overlooked due to the release of LotR.
Hmmmm.... How about an actual release date of Christmas 2004 for Narnia? We'll be done with The Trilogy [lordoftherings.net] in 2003. We'll need some kind of good fantasy in 2004.
More movies I'd like to see (done well) OT? (Score:5, Interesting)
The House with a Clock in Its Walls (The first book in the Lewis Barnavelt series) (1972) by John Bellairs
and Lloyd Alexander's Prydain Chronicles :( ,
The Castle of Llyr , Taran Wanderer ,
The High King .
The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron (got the Disney Treatment
Yeah, they're all 'adolescent' books, but all very good, and are worth finding. Besides, didn't everyone read 'The Hobbit' when they were 12?
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You're right, though, that Christopher is great. Loved him when I was a kid.
making trailers (Score:2, Funny)
I thought they usually worked the other way around in Hollywood these days...
Don't watch The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe! (Score:3, Insightful)
If, like I did, you remember the Narnia books as being one of the high points of your childhood, for pity's sake leave it like that. Returning to the material as an adult reveals them to be the most hopelessly inept and clumsy stream of the most sickly Christian propaganda ever written. ONLY children could read this stuff without feeling nauseous.
Leave the memory intact is my advice.
TWW
Narnia on the small screen (Score:2, Informative)
All are available on August 27th.
The Silver Chair [amazon.com]
Prince Caspian [amazon.com]
The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe [amazon.com]
Ben
Live Action Narnia at Your Local Library (Score:2, Informative)
They aren't master works of film by any means, but they aren't too bad and are probably available at your local public library (if you're in the states). I and my younger sister both enjoyed them.
Narnia movies (Score:5, Interesting)
As a kid I remember reading the Hobbit. It was the first book I ever read outside of school assignments.
The words were hypnotic and the story almost intoxicating to me. It unleashed a power, which ignited my imagination in ways I had never known before. I couldn't put it down. Once I finished The Hobbit, I wanted, or rather needed, more. Dark corners of my mind had suddenly been flooded with wonder and excitement and I could not allow them to dim.
After The Hobbit, I read The Lord of the Rings and then the Narnia series and many other books.
The hobby of reading everything in sight is still with me today; and is not limited to fiction or fantasy. I firmly believe that I learned much more from reading books growing up than I ever did in school.
Books offered me so much it is beyond my capacity to describe the benefits. Movies, while entertaining, are not able to offer the same and it is for this reason I am disappointed. I think many children will see the movie and miss out on the thaumaturgic properties of literature.
Re:Squeezing (Score:5, Insightful)
The few times I ended up seeing a movie after determining its entire useful content was dumped into the trailer, I either walked out due to lameness, or just bitched about it to my movie-going companion the whole way home
The *art* of trailer making. (Score:2)
Nowadays, you get stuff like the Terminator 3 "trailer" or the Solaris "trailer" which make you turn to whoever's sitting next to you and go, "Well, that was fucking informative. That movie's out, when? Next year? Better mark that down in my calendar."
Honestly, I learned all the skills necessary to put every trailer I've ever seen together back in High School using Adobe Premiere and a Power PC. It's no different today. The reason it takes this guy so long to make anything is the same reason it takes 6 months to design a webpage. All the idiots up in marketing will hum and haw while the designer and artists tear their hair out creating 15 different designs, only to decide in the end they just want it to look like MSN or Yahoo.
Boo fricking hoo, Mr. Trailer Creator. Join the club.
Re:The *art* of trailer making. (Score:2)
I'm not saying Mr. Trailer Creator is Steinbeck, but that's like saying I learned how to type too, so what's so great about "Of Mice and Men"?
Re:The *art* of trailer making. (Score:2)
I'll continue the template: "A hero will ________".
Re:The *art* of trailer making. (Score:2)
Re:Greatest Scifi Comedy Writer.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Greatest Scifi Comedy Writer.... (Score:2)
Re:Greatest Scifi Comedy Writer.... (Score:2)
I liked the first one, thought the later ones were pretty lame. Funny how most of these books came out after his death....
Blatant karma whoring (Score:2, Interesting)
Take the liquid contained in a 200 ml bottle of EverClear to remind you that your head will be clear forever if you drink too many Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters, and that your brain will clear of anything soon after you start drinking some, if not before.
Into it, slowly pour a 750 ml bottle of Bombay Sapphire to remind you of the marvelous beauty of the old Santraginean seas, or an equal amount of Jeremiah Weed in acknowledgement of what has happened to the Santraginean Seas and their lifeforms.
Now add 750 ml of Cold Wild Turkey, letting it run into the mixture as we run through life to remind us of all the lifeforms we meet and experience while hitchhiking through the galaxy.
Speedily stirring, add 375 ml of Herradua Tequila, mixing it in to commemorate the galactic hitchhikers who died of pleasure among the vapors and gasses in the marshes of Fallia.
Over the bowl of a silver spoon, let flow 1 liter of rum in memory of the waterfalls and their glorious rainbows encountered on your journeys through the galaxy of life.
Next, drop in the worm found in a bottle of Musquil, watching it dissolve into the mixture. If the bottom falls out and the worm survives, drink at your own risk.
Finally, sprinkle into the mixture some Gatorade to commemorate the lifeforms which have vanished and are becoming extinct, both sentient and non-sentient, especially those most in need of aid.
If this many Pan-Galactic Gargle Blasters are too many for the number of people you think you are, mix together the following amounts of ingredients as described above for a single serving.
1 oz. EverClear
4 oz. Bombay Sapphire or Jeremiah Weed
4 oz. Cold Wild Turkey
2 oz. Herredura Tequila
5 oz. Rum
1 worm from bottle of Mezcla
2 oz. Gatorade
This makes one approximately 18 ounce Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster. The reason this drink seems so large is that Zaphod Beeblebrox has two heads, so when he created it, it came out to 9 ounces per head, so both were happy.
Before drinking, eat one olive to create a sweetness in it which is not there.
Drink very, very extremely carefully at your own risk, and remember where your towel is (if you can).
Re:Magician's Nephew (Score:2)
Re:Magician's Nephew (Score:2)
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
The BBC already made all of these books into VERY HORRIBLE AWFUL made for TV movies. If you thought they butched HHGTTG, wait til you see this! PLEASE, JUST LEAVE BOOKS ALONE! *cries*
Ah, but Tom Baker as Puddleglum the moribund Marshwiggle was alone worth the price of admission!
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
I seem to recall that one of them had a really STUPID looking Aslan, but was very good in character portrayal. if you disagree, please state WHAT was stupid about them.
Re:The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (Score:2)
Re:Narnia Movies Already (Score:2)
I saw the movie when I was 13, and the Jesusness of the lion did impress me a lot.
Re:Niel Gaiman is the bomb (Score:2)
I think that Neil Gaimen works best in short stories (I associate graphic novels with short stories, when you think of the length of the average narrative). In books, I think the quality of his writing falls off tremendously.
American Gods, while by far his best book (I grew up in Madison and have been to the House on the Rock maybe ten times, so that bit was just crazy) was still nowhere near the level of some of his short story work. My personal favories are Murder Mysteries and The Price, and I think they illustrate his range.
Re:Niel Gaiman is the bomb (Score:2)
Re:Greatest ever? (Score:2)
Re:Hitchhikers movie... (Score:2)
I liked the BBC version. It was glib, flakey, low-budget and understated, exactly like Adams' writing. I loved it. Nobody could do a better Marvin, or Ford Prefect, or Auther Dent.
I'm tried of the studios rehashing fables of my youth
I can't believe how many people yearn for remakes considering all the legal wrangling going on in the copyright world designed to foster more cultural innovation and creativity. If they really want to be more creative, make up a new story for pete's sake, and let the classics be!
(What would be much more interesting, and in the spirit of art and creativity would be a new movie _inspired_ by the type of comedy and characterization seen in HHGTTG
Re:Hitchhikers movie... (Score:2)
Nobody could do a better Marvin
Hear hear! I agree completely. In fact, I did a google search for pictures of Marvin and found two varieties: the "classic" marvin, and some other really femmy version -- kinda like the Simpsons "the cool robots from battlestar galatica take on the gay robots of star wars!"
Re:Changing characters as Narnia series progresses (Score:2)
Re:Please do the first one!! (Score:2)
Re:Please do the first one!! (Score:2)
The only problem with reading it in the chronological order of the stories is the way the quality of the writing and stories goes up and down throughout. Lion is poorly written compared to the later works; Last Battle is just plain unpleasant, with Lewis' mysogyny running rampant.
Horse and His Boy and Prince Caspian remain my favourites.
Re:Narnia (Score:2)
The series is actually pretty cool, but The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is especially silly, and doesn't exactly get people hooked on the series.
I agree completely about LW&W, but _Prince Caspian_, _The Voyage of the Dawn Treader_, and _The Silver Chair_ would all make reasonably decent movies (albeit a little surreal...). Also, you don't need to so much get people "hooked on the series" as interested in the individual movies, since the stories are all disjoint.
LOL! (Score:2)