

Enterprise Season Premiere Tonight 391
l0key432 writes "Enterprise, Star Trek's fifth series, begins its second season on UPN tonight at 8pm/7pm central with the episode Shockwave Part II, airing just before the series premier of the new 'The Twilight Zone' show at 9pm/8pm central. Shockwave II is the conclusion to last season's season-ending cliff-hanger, and additional info can be found at this page(possible spoilers!) on StarTrek.com." Of course with my luck, it'll be pre-empted by some sporting event.
First season was lame, but TNG's was lamer. (Score:2, Insightful)
Vulcan luvin... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:5, Funny)
*GASP!*
*INHALE!*
*EXHALE!*
Whew, just had a little ubergeek hyperventilation there.
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:2)
Ran outta breath, sorry
Beverly Crusher! (Score:2, Offtopic)
Spreading gel all over the Vulcan chick.
Beverly Crusher, Queen of the MILFs
Mmmmmmm
Re:Beverly Crusher! (Score:2)
Wore out the damn rewind button AND the tape.
To bad Gates McFadden never did any nude scenes.
Perahps she could be temted now. Julie Andrews was older than McFadden is now when she did her first topless scene.
"Tonight on HBO, Dr. Crusher on Red Shoe Diaries, followed by Real Sex: Trek Edition, Gates McFadden talks about her sex life with live demonstrations"
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:2)
That Vulcan is one skanky girl. The translator is cute, tho'.
Not that I've got anything against Vulcans, I liked Spock's apprentice in the one where Kirk and Bones get exiled to the prison planet. I am amazed that Kirk never made a move on her, maybe that bit ended up on the cutting room floor.
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:5, Informative)
That's Kim Catrall, baby! She was a hottie until she started doing "Sex and the City". Now she's just annoying and old-looking. Ahh, how I miss the "Mannequin" and "Big Trouble in Little China" days... *sigh*
Oh, geez, I almost forgot Porky's! w00t!
Re:Big Trouble In Little China (Score:2)
Re:Vulcan luvin... (Score:2)
Funny... (Score:2, Offtopic)
-adnans
Bizarre mods (Score:2, Insightful)
Hardly the most insightful comment ever, but certainly on topic.
Tonight? (Score:4, Insightful)
So if you haven't seen it, someone else here probably has. So you don't want to read on if you want to avoid spoilers.
So essentially ... SPOILER ALERT(!!) for this whole story.
thanks, (Score:5, Informative)
I'll keep an eye out for it on alt.binaries.multimedia.startrek and alt.binaries.startrek , thanks to the people there I've been able to follow the first season.
THE LONE GUNMEN ARE DEAD (Score:2)
I feel bad for those New Yorkers who won't be able to record it. :(
Captain Jonathan Archer is Dead (Score:3, Funny)
Sorry about the spoiler [slashdot.org].
Porthos Becomes Sentient Lifeform (Score:5, Funny)
After having his brain advanced 1,000,000 dog years, Porthos will become an ensign and have to grapple with an Earth that does not grant individual freedoms to dogs. Look for episode "Man's Best Friend" where Porthos is deemed the propery of Starfleet and Archer must argue that Porthos deserves to makes his own choices.
Re:Porthos Becomes Sentient Lifeform (Score:2, Funny)
At least that's the way it works in my house....
Re:Porthos Becomes Sentient Lifeform (Score:3, Funny)
He'll also have to face discrimination, as Starfleet doesn't allow anything with more than 2 legs to board a starship.
Please don't ever say that again... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Porthos Becomes Sentient Lifeform (Score:2)
Build your own Warp Engine (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately they seem to be out of stock right now if you were thinking of building your own Warp engine.
Re:Build your own Warp Engine (Score:2)
Enterprise's problem (Score:5, Insightful)
It got off to a great start. The Broken Bow was easily the best of the Trek pilots.
So what's the problem? It almost seems as if the producers want Enteprise to ASPIRE to be as mediocre as Voyager was.
It's stuck in that "nothing can change week to week" mentality that Paramount has long imposed on Trek. Worse, it's not even particularly bad like Voyager was early on... it's just... there. More often then not, it's not good or bad. Just something I could care less about.
The Temporal Cold War is at least a step in the right direction, even if I think they've removed too much of the mystery from it. Compare "Future Guy's" appearance in the pilot to what it was in the finale. Initially, you couldn't tell anything about him and there was that cool distortion effect. Now, he looks like a guy dressed in stage black.
Sullick and Daniels are a little too black & white. I wished they could've pretened for more than a fraction of an episode that the Suliban might actually be the good guys. Or that there were no good guys in this fight.
But the fact that they have an continuing, if infrequently returned to, storyline is a positive step. Having *consistant* internal continuity is generally a good thing for a show. It's an incentive to watch, when done properly.
As it is, I generally don't care about Enterprise.
Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:4, Insightful)
Because they're ALL THE SAME EPISODE: crew encounters time wedgie. Crew solves time wedgie puzzle. Time returns to normal. Teenage son lies to a cute girl at school to impress her, but gets found out and learns an important lesson about honesty. Roll credits.
Jon Acheson
Re:Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:2)
Most likely, there isn't time travel going on, just shape-changing aliens recording events and playing them back in a holodeck-like thing. They could just have a clever sort of teleporter, a holodeck, and be using time travel as their excuse for having a lot of information that they don't want to admit to collecting.
Re:Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:2)
Time travel can be a great plot *device*. And in the case of Enterprise, I've found it to be a very interesting one. It's not a matter of temporal fluxes and causal loops, it's more the story of a guy who gets drawn into a battle between two much larger, much more powerful groups. Like Frodo in Lord of the Rings. I agree - I'm sick to death of episodes that use time travel/anomalies as if they're a plot in and of themselves. But I think Enterprise is different - and I've enjoyed what I've seen so far.
Re:Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:2)
1. Enterprise encounters new planet/race/ship/widget.
2. T'Pol advises caution.
3. Archer and Tripp mock T'Pol and Vulcans in general.
4. Away team is sent to investigate/explore.
5. Away team gets in trouble.
6. Something rescues them.
7. Archer et al learn no lessons from the experience.
Re:Enterprise's problem is TIME TRAVEL SUCKS (Score:2)
1. Enterprise encounters new planet/race/ship/widget.
2. T'Pol advises caution.
3. Archer and Tripp mock T'Pol and Vulcans in general.
4. Away team is sent to investigate/explore.
5. T'Pol advises caution.
6. Archer and Tripp mock T'Pol and Vulcans in general.
7. Away team gets in trouble.
8. Something rescues them - usually T'Pol.
9. Archer et al learn no lessons from the experience, and instead just mock T'Pol and Vulcans in general.
Re:Enterprise's problem (Score:2)
Well, there's nothing to say that couldn't still be the case. The best villians, IMO, are the ones you think are your friends (or who actually are your friends -- personally, I think they should have kept Evil Willow as the Big Bad for this season of Buffy).
Anyhow, both sides are obviously manipulating their pieces (enterprise/suliban) to further their own ends.
Re:Enterprise's problem (Score:3, Interesting)
I think they've done a good job of maintaining the Trek "everything is fixed at the end of the episode", while having people notice that this group has an impressive record of getting into situations and resolving them.
I'm not entirely convinced that Daniels's side is actually good; it seems like all of their information has come from Daniels, and he might just be feeding them propaganda. Sullick is clearly against them, but might have reasons for it. There's a lot of potential for a major plot twist at some point.
They did have one of the best episodes ever...... (Score:5, Interesting)
Basically Reed and Trip are on a shuttlepod out in the middle of nowhere and it looks like the Enterprise has been destroyed. The pod is damaged and they have a very limited amount of air left. And they are light years away from anything.
It was Sci-Fi at it's best, a human drama between Trip's completely irrational hope (although deep down he knows the truth) and Reed's attempt to prepare for their pending deaths. They deal with things like whether or not to be comfortable and just accept death or be miserable and squeeze out a few more hours.
I'll take one of those episodes over 10 technobabble shows anyday.
Brian Ellenberger
Re:They did have one of the best episodes ever.... (Score:4, Funny)
Ah, finally, a Star Trek character I can identify with -- a drunken engineer.
Re:They did have one of the best episodes ever.... (Score:2)
I still chuckle at both of those...
Wasn't that a Voyager episode? (Score:2)
And wasn't something similar done in DS-9, somewhere in the Delta quadrant before the war?
This episode might have been new, but the writers keep treading over the same ground.
Except it had just one small problem (Score:2, Interesting)
Apparently the NX-01 "bumps into" an alien ship. This is the cause of the debris field that Trip and Reed find.
See, Trip and Reed are off testing the weapons on the shuttlepod, which needs to be done a long long long long long way away (out of communications, no doubt).
By the time the two finish their tests and reach the 'meeting point' the NX-01 isn't there anymore because it is so damn important for Archer to ferry the de-shipped aliens home that they strand a warp-incapable shuttlepod out in the middle of nowhere. Hell, Archer doesn't even do the simple courtesy of leaving the poor guys a message of any sort saying "don't go anyplace, we'll be back soon, try not to choke while you're waiting".
More damningly, we are not even presented with any compelling reasons why the aliens need to get where they're headed right now, nor why Archer can't simply warp to the shuttlepod, cut their weapon testing short, pick 'em up and take the aliens home. He just leaves the meeting point without so much as a "bbiam" message, nor collecting the spare hull plating (what do they patch the hole with? hmm??).
That, combined with blatant scientific errors like using fingers and mashed potato as hull sealant, body hair growth after death and the supposed "drop your impulse engine and you slow down even in space"... well..
I suppose it was a good character piece, if two people getting drunk and discussing the local Vulcan ass is 'characterization'.
I could have gotten into the episode so much more if it wasn't a completely contrived situation. But the fact of the matter is, all it takes is a little bump for brave Captain Archer to strand his two best buddies in the middle of nowhere for three days while he ferries strange aliens someplace unimportant.
But what the hell! It was a "character" ep! Right??
Likeable characters? Are you nuts? (Score:2)
Great premise, likeable characters and good actors.
Boy am I ever stunned to read this. You actually like the characters? I've always thought that the unlikeableness (is that a word? no? oh well...) of the characters it the main reason why I think the show is below average. I'm curious as to which characters you like. I've always liked The Original Series, even with it's hokey elements, because I respected the characters. I would have loved to serve on board the Enterprise under Kirk because I respected the abilities and personalities of the crew. But here's how I see the Enterprise crew under Archer:
Well, I could go on and on. I understand that this show is supposed to be about mankind's first tentative steps into space so please spare me the follow-up posts telling me that the characters ought to be poor at their jobs. It's just that it's not interesting to me to watch people who seem borderline-incompetant representing humanity in space. I would certainly not want to serve aboard Archer's Enterprise. I would fear for my safety and I sure wouldn't be able to take orders from the meatheads in charge.
Honestly, people really like the Enterprise crew? I'm still stunned about this. Is it just me who finds this new group as unpalatable as the Voyager group (and, yes, I realize I'm inviting jokes about 'palatable' and how that word relates to 7of9 or T'Pol)?
GMD
Re:Likeable characters? Are you nuts? (Score:2)
* T'Pol: For someone who is supposedly devoid of emotions, she acts like a pouty little child an awful lot.
* 3rd in command (whatever his name is): Whines a hell of a lot.
* Hoshi: Probably competant in her work but you really can't trust her to keep her head when things get rough.
* Doctor: Need I say anything here?
What? You mean the characters have (gasp) FLAWS?!?!?
Re:Likeable characters? Are you nuts? (Score:2)
I really wish they would kill off Hoshi. Every time she speaks, I cringe, because I know she is just going to whine like she is PMSing.
Pilot rocked, show worse (Score:2)
Setup: First humans in deep space, only "friends" are the Vulcans that Archer hates.
Obvious Solution: Find new friends, make new allies.
Archer's Solution: Piss everyone off, choose moral high ground over allies, make no new friends, etc.
It's a strange new world, they should start becoming friendly with more powerful races. Instead, he is content to be a jerk.
The very anti-semetic pro-terrorist episode REALLY offended me. A though-provokative episode showing that the anti-terrorist rhetoric can be flawed would be a GREAT Trek episode, in the vein of some of the ST:TOS episodes. Instead we get a 1-sided episode where there Arab-looking terrorist is a great, friendly guy, and the leader of the anti-terrorist contigent looked very Jewish.
ST:TNG tackled the terrorism question, pointed out that if Washington lost, he'd have been a terrorist.
Enterprise is a LOT like Buffy. Most episodes are mediocre, some of them show tremendous promise that they'll be great episodes, but the good ones end with a cheap ending that disappoints. Each week, we tune in, ready for more disappointment... Maybe that should be UPN's slogan.
Alex
Enterprise is it's own nation? (Score:3, Funny)
Unless of course the editors meant premiere which is the first public performance of something. Nahhh.
Re:Enterprise is it's own nation? (Score:2, Informative)
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Premier \Pre"mi*er\, n.
The first minister of state; the prime minister.
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
premier
adj 1: first in rank or degree; "an architect of premier rank";
"the prime minister" [syn: {premier(a)}, {prime(a)}]
2: preceding all others in time; "the premiere showing" [syn: {premiere}]
n 1: the person who holds the position of head of state in
England [syn: {Prime Minister}, {PM}]
2: the person who is head of state (in several countries) [syn:
{chancellor}, {prime minister}]
3: the position of the cabinet minister who is in charge of
government affairs [syn: {Prime Minister}, {PM}]
v 1: be performed for the first time; of a play, ballet, or
composition [syn: {premiere}]
2: perform a work for the first time [syn: {premiere}]
What have we learned from this: there are different flavors of English (UK, US, Engrish). So some people take the lift from the first floor to the lorry. Some take the elevator from the second floor to the van. While others take the happy number one good star ok.
Re:Enterprise is it's own nation? (Score:2)
The headline: Enterprise Season Premier Tonight.
Part of speech of "Premier" in the headline: noun.
Part of speech highlighted in Slashdot post: adjective.
Your definition does not give a noun form of "premier" with the required meaning. As far as I know, there isn't one.
Re:Enterprise is it's own nation? (Score:2)
Bye bye virgin alarm. Heh.
Discrepancies (Score:2)
Last spring, "Enterprise" wound up with part one of a time-travel cliffhanger. You may recall that in the original Captain Kirk episodes -- which come after "Enterprise" chronologically, since the new series is a prequel -- time travel was depicted as an astonishing discovery.
In "Enterprise," time travel has already happened several times and is practically viewed as common. So how could Kirk, who is supposed to be born years after the era depicted in "Enterprise," not have known that? And how come in "Enterprise," the Vulcans are the big spacefaring power in Earth's part of the Milky Way, their ships and diplomats everywhere -- but in the Captain Kirk episodes, which happen later, the Vulcans are depicted as an insular, technologically modest people, and Spock is described as the first Vulcan ever to explore space.
Re:Discrepancies (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Discrepancies (Score:2)
So they fought an interstellar war at 1/4 c? I really, really doubut that. Maybe they had poor engines, but they definitly had warp.
So in the original series human's met the Romulans before the Klingons, but in Enterprise we met the Klingon's apparently before the Romulans. And not to nit pick but as I watched last season there were at least half a dozen other major continuity issues.
"Temporal Cold War."
Enterprise is 4th dimensionally prior to all other version of 'trek... but becuase of the TCW, it's 5th dimensionally later. What I'm going to watch tonight is the "now" in the trekiverse.
I doubt that Paramonunt's going to try and explain this to anyone (too much pain for too little benefit), and they might not even realize it, but they will follow through on it. Aside from the actual facts of the episodes, anything and everything in the "continuity" is up for grabs if it will make a good story.
Or have you allready written a letter complaining about the odd look of the klingons?
Re:Discrepancies (Score:2)
One of my gripes is that the Federation encountered the Ferrengi.
Three Words (Score:4, Interesting)
Wesley.
Re:Three Words (Score:2, Funny)
Viewing Enterprise in St Louis (Score:2)
There's an article out on the post dispatch web site, but I don't feel like looking for it right now.
Re:Viewing Enterprise in St Louis (Score:3, Insightful)
Do you think Gene Roddenberry would like this show (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, the showrunners bristled at Gene's humanist view and various objections to darker themes - but sure enough, since his death the franchise has continually become less-and-less "beloved."
There are so many elements that ignore Roddenberry's view in Enterprise that I wonder if it is the first show that is hardly "Star Trek" at all?
Re:Do you think Gene Roddenberry would like this s (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Do you think Gene Roddenberry would like this s (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Do you think Gene Roddenberry would like this s (Score:2)
The greatest thing that happened to Trek was when GR was moved to EP. Go look at some of the garbage that was made/produced during his reign. This is primarily season three of TOS and season one of TNG. Utter crap.
DS9 is easily the most underrated show of all Trekdom. The last few seasons were wonderful. Thanks in no small part to the fact that GR wasn't around to bitch and mess it up.
Hopefully It Won't Suck (Score:2)
See, they come up with great initial ideas, and then sort of shlop them right afterwards. This is getting tremedously annoying. I don't know what's worse, the pain of waiting for it or the disappointment of the delivery of something horrible. I'll watch, probably enjoy most of it, then go to a coffee shop later and wonder why I put so much faith in two guys who constantly make me feel like an idiot viewer (maybe I am, but I think more than the other guys).
Star Trek:Enlisted Guys Script (Score:2)
Scene: A passage in the Enterprise. Several enlisted men are standing about waiting to go through a door marked "Restroom".
SM2 (SPACEMAN 2nd CLASS) PETERS: Yeah... 'n so I gotta spend the next 14 days cleaning the bridge.
SM1 CHUNG: Awww mannn! You got screwed BIG time!
SM2 PETERS: 'N that ain't the worst of it! So I'm standin' there waiting for PO Snuffy to turn on the freakin' generator, 'n I'm standing there holding the buffer, when alla the sudden Cap'n Archer walks in. He looks at PO Snuffy, points at me 'n goes [Mimics Captain Archer's voice] "Doesn't that spaceman have anything better to do, Snuffy?"
SM1 CHUNG: [Slapping head in disbelief] Awww no!
SM3 HERNANDEZ: Noooooooo!
SM2 PETERS: Yeah... So the PO hides the porncorder while Archer's lookin' at me, and he goes "Peters! Start buffing the deck!!!" and I go "YESSIR!" and I leave the hold, buffer and all.
CHUNG & HERNANDEZ: [Laughs]
SM2 PETERS: Yeah. It was pretty messed up. But anyway, the Vulcan-babe-F.O. was with the Captain!
SM3 HERNANDEZ: Oooooooooo!
SM1 CHUNG: Man-o-man! I'd like to show her what I had "augmented" on the last shore leave.
ALL: [Snickers]
SM2 PETERS: So anyway, it looked like the Captain and FO Hottie were getting ready to
go to the decontamination room again...
Suddenly Chief Petty Officer Nixon rounds a corner.
CPO NIXON: Goddamit you shitheads! Get back to work! NOOOOWWWW!
The Time Travel Crutch (Score:2)
Honestly, exploring the frontier should have been enough, with all the technological advancements to be made and races to be encountered. Throw in something wierd here, a hint of a possible temporal cold war there and they should have been set. The Trek history is more than rich enough to sustain a series like this one on it's own. Notice I said hint. Not bathing the viewer in time travel higgly-piggly like the writeres here do. A little forshadowing or chance encounters, but not the bat upside the head like they've been doing. It's sick. I'm not bashing ST:E simply because it's not my ideal, but more because it's just plain sloppy.
Preempted by sporting event (Score:2)
Are you ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!
I want a return of... (Score:2)
Re:Enterprise is boring, sorry it has to be said. (Score:2, Insightful)
I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2)
Plus, the "Dear Doctor" episode really really pissed me off. Leave an entire race to die, get laid! What a great moral...
Frankly, I only really watched Enterprise because Special Unit 2 was on afterwards, and after they took SU2 off the air, there was no reason to watch Enterprise any more.
I'm looking forward to Firefly on Friday. Joss Whedon writing, and Ben Edlund to keep the show going after Joss loses interest.
Jon Acheson
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Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:3, Interesting)
I hardly think it's morally correct to deny a race the cure to their genetic disease in favor of what might happen thousands or even millions of years in the future. To me it's the same moral question as "Does the end justify the means?" --- should one do something that seems wrong in the present in order to promote a future good?
Besides, on a more practical note, I think it would have made for more interesting character development later in the series if Archer had taken the opposite opinion and stuck to his moral guns, even if that meant a rift developed between him and Phlox. It would be fun to see the captain and the doctor at each other's throats!
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"Rule-book" ethics in Star Trek (Score:3, Insightful)
What's amusing is that the end result of all this moralizing is the Prime Directive. Under that philosophy, the Federation is allowed to help a race provided that their civilization has crossed the arbitrary line of developing warp technology. If the race hasn't quite made it there, then it's just too damn bad for them. Post-warp civilizations' destiny is apparently impervious to interference.
It reminds me of the strict ethical codes that medical researchers must obey with respect to research animals. When performing experiments on a mouse, for instance, there are strict guidelines one must follow to insure that the animal is treated humanely. If that same mouse jumps off the table and runs out of the room, it immediately becomes "vermin", and you could pluck its legs off one at a time with impunity.
That's the type of "rule-book" ethics that Star Trek loves. It always irritates me the way Trek episodes always justify their characters actions and make them seem heroic-- there's a token amount of reget, but not enough to get them down. It always struck me that a lot of these episodes should really end with the main characters lying around in a drunken stupor and contemplating suicide.
Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:3, Insightful)
This is a very nice way to put it. It doesn't quite capture my utter moral abhorrence of the episode's conclusion, though.
To me, the moral of the episode was "Because I disagree with these people's politics, they all deserve to die." And in particular, Phlox's dialogue about how the ruling race being genetically predisposed towards the disease that was killing them amounted to some kind of genetic destiny was utterly chilling. To me, it's the secular humanist equivalent of "God told me you have to die."
If I were Archer, I would have suspended Phlox's medical licence immediately, ordered him to give over the cure, and launched a court-martial inquiry back home to determine his ongoing fitness to practice medicine. (Practice it somewhere else, that is, because he would never practice medicine on my crew again.)
On the other hand, this is from the same franchise that put nurseries on warships, so expecting any kind of moral consciousness from them is probably an exercise in futility.
Jon Acheson
Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2, Interesting)
In other words, perhaps "interfering" could also be part of nature's plan or "natural evolution". Humanity is a part of nature too...just as elephants are both destructive and constructive. We just use technology as our agent of change.
Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2)
As an example look at the American Northwest. For several thousand years man existed within the natural ecosystem. When the different anglo cultures arrived the assumption was that they had dominion over everything in site and could shape it to fit their needs. Technology was used as an agent of change. This included almost complete obliteration of several animal species. We justified it by saying "We're the alpha preditor, no other alpha preditors need to exist". Likewise we used the "we're part of nature and our actions are within that scope".
To this day ranchers and the Idaho government say idiotic things like "We killed all the wolves 70 years ago, don't bring back things we got rid of." Similar attitudes prevail with some races of people (indians and other minorities), animals, plants, and insects.
In nature there is a balance. However messy it might be. In human society we work to continually tip this balance in our favor often to the detriment of nature itself. Additionally this tipping of the scales can have serious repercussions on our future.
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Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2, Interesting)
I think there was a huge plot hole left open in the episode -- the Valakians were never fully told (or shown) that the other species was approching a full intelligence. Had they done that and shown a poor reaction to it, it would have made much more sense.
However, considering how the Valakians never appeard to mistreat the Menk, I consider the Doctor a serious jerk in this case. It seems pretty obvious it would be better for the two species to live in harmony (which it seems they would) than let one be wiped out. Or at least that's what Greenpeace would like us to think.
And, last but not least, the Doctor's counter-argument is a poor one at best. He doesn't consider the possibility that the two species (human/neanderthal) could possibly live together happily. Imagine the difference in the world if that had happened.
Fortunately, it still doesn't sour me on the captain. I just consider his feeble mind to have been swindled against by another half-argument.
(Okay, yeah, I take this too seriously. So what?)
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Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't think they were treated like slaves. Slaves were usually beaten into submission, along with other horrible human rights violations. I didn't see that on this episode. They had reasonable jobs that fit their intelligence, lived happily in their own communities, and didn't complain, even though they clearly had enough intelligence to be able to do that if they weren't happy.
That doesn't sound at all like slavery on earth. I certainly didn't hear the Menk singing "Wade in the Water"...
Not to mention I didn't see anything _forcing_ the Menk to work. They didn't have to, AFAIK. They just wanted to because they're all good hearted people on that planet. If only people could have this sort of co-existence here...
I simply saw a race of people whose intelligence has gone unnoticed. This isn't all that unusual -- even we do this with other animals (are dolphins smart? What would it take to convince you they are?).
>And imagine the difference in the world if Neanderthal's shared with Homo Sapiens the unfortunate tendencies towards genocide and prejudice.
The two races on the show were peacefully co-existing. There appeard to be no spite or malice towards the Menk, and this goes to prove that these races have no human reactions to such things as a lack of intelligence (most humans instinctually scorn this, and treat "stupid" people poorly).
>That's the danger with playing god: You end up being ethically responsible for the outcome.
The moment Phlox made the cure he became ethically responsible either way. It's a catch-22 -- do nothing, one race dies, and people blame it on you. Do something, and an unpredictable outcome happens.
Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2)
Women find computers boring. Is it because they're uninteresting, or that they just don't get it?
Re:I watched it as the lead-in to SU2. (Score:2)
I found Enterprise boring because it felt like Bonanza meets Quantum leap.
Anyone know why?
Re:Enterprise is boring, sorry it has to be said. (Score:2)
And the obvious comment--and I know this will tag me as a troll--is "How can geeks possibly stand *any* of the Star Trek shows?" We're talking about people who go ballistic because AMD is not longer stamping MHz values on processors, and these people like B-quality shows with bad acting and ridiculous science at every turn?
Re:Enterprise is boring, sorry it has to be said. (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe the fact that "Enterprise" was intended to recapture the action and humor style of the original series and thats why it appeals to people like me (I generally see people who liked TNG dislike "Enterprise"). Or maybe the episodes are more like real science fiction and not just intended to expand the audience to people who'd rather watch "Friends"...
Re:A question.. (Score:2)
-adnans
Like a fungus... (Score:2)
Re:A question.. (Score:2)
Every time I walk into Albertson's I hear it, too - but it's not Russell Watson that's singing it. Probably wasn't him singing it when you heard it, either - it was probably Rod Stewart.
The story (as I follow it) is this - the song was written by Dianne Warren. She's famous for the big, boisterous, overdone theme song from movies. "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing", "My Heart Will Go On" - all hers. She was commissioned to write a song for the movie Patch Adams, so she writes "Faith of the Heart", and they get Rod Stewart to record it.
Thing is, the producers for whatever reason decide it's not good enough to be in the movie (doesn't really fit) and so they relegate it to the end credits (and I don't think it was the first song in the end credits, either.
So when the producers of Enterprise need a song, they want a "big" song for the opener, seeing as how they've decided to deviate from the "Whoosh!" formula of shows past. They figure out that there's a potential Dianne Warren gem that's been tossed to the side and they can pick it up for cheap. Of course, they don't want to afford Rod Stewart so they decide to have the song re-recorded using an unknown, Russel Watson, who just sounds a whole lot like Rod Stewart.
And so the flame wars rage on, what with the "Patch Adams Reject" song opening the show. Personally, I kinda like it. Sure, I'm not as diehard a Trekker as others, but I'm cool with the song.
Re:A question.. (Score:2)
Well I don't know about you guys, but I feel like going apeshit when a show has a song I don't like. Without a good song, that show sucks! I also don't buy books without illustrations on the cover.
Re:A question.. (Score:2)
Re:A question.. (Score:2)
Tell me about it. The first time I bring one home, my girlfriend'll kill me.
Re:And this is Stuff that matters ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And this is Stuff that matters ? (Score:2, Funny)
[Nerd#1] Is that true?
[Nerd#2] Let's get 'em!
[Nerds] (nerdy growling)
[Football player] Let's get out of here!
[Nerds] (more nerdy growling, chase football team off field)
Re:And this is Stuff that matters ? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2, Informative)
1) UPN doesn't broadcast sporting events. (Yes I'm aware they broadcast Pro Wrestling but that doesn't count.)
2) The only compelling sporting event on tonight is the A's Vs. Angels game which is being broadcast on ESPN.
So if you're a baseball fan, get some dual screen action going and watch both. I myself am going to be at the game so gonna miss Enterprise.
Re:Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:2)
My Local UPN affiliate always, without fail, shows a hockey game in Star Trek's time-slot.
Now, I'm not a hockey fan, but I'm pretty sure the hockey season hasn't started yet. However, I do not belive this will stop UPN from withholding Star Trek from me. I have confidence that they will find a way to somehow broadcast hockey instead of Star Trek.
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Re:Damn plugins (Score:2)
Re:Well aleast you get UPN (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
My girlfriend always got preempted on her WB affiliate back home by the Red Wings. not that she cared because she loves hockey but it interfered with her Angel watching.
Re:Finally (Score:2)
Dude, you need to get out more.
I mean, Earth Girls Are Easy, but everyone from the Fifth Invader Force knows that $cientologist chicks are, like, the worst lays on the planet.
*rimshot*
Re:Old news ;) (Score:2)
Re:Trek is in the hands of philistines (Score:2)