Survivor Meets Junkyard Wars for Scientists 168
MyNameIsFred writes "Stepping back to Gilligan's Island, PBS has a new "reality" show Rough Science where "five scientists are challenged to put their collective scientific knowledge to practical use. Transported to isolated locations, they are presented with a series of tasks, with two notable restrictions: they must complete their work within three days and, with the exception of a rudimentary tool kit, must use only indigenous materials." Could the Professor really build all of those things? We'll soon know." Check out the Episode guide.
My prediction.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:My prediction.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:My prediction.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hrmff! Obviously someone who hasn't done any REAL (ie. non-theoretical) science. As part of my work I have:
Slept in a snowbank (ambient temp -30C)
Scaled ice covered rock faces with 30 kilos of equipment
Faced bears and wolves unarmed. Mind you most predators only attack if you act like prey, and the wolves were mostly interested in having fun, like 50 kilo puppies with big teeth...
Hiked alone in the Amazon rain forest.
Not all scientists are wimps, some of us actually get out once and a while. When something breaks in bush camp, you fix it yourself, with what you have on hand. If you fsck up bad, you might die, so you learn to adapt.
Re:My prediction.... (Score:2)
Where do they teach this stuff? (Score:3, Funny)
Slept in a snowbank (ambient temp -30C)
Advanced course on thermodynamics.
Scaled ice covered rock faces with 30 kilos of equipment
Laboratory assignment on mechanics for post-graduate students.
Faced bears and wolves unarmed.
Armed with Occam's razor -- survival course for graduate students.
Hiked alone in the Amazon rain forest.
General relativity theory, and how amazons manage to procreate anyway.
Re:My prediction.... (Score:4, Interesting)
Snow is an excellent insulator. Consequently, if you burrow yourself a hole in which to sleep you can find yourself quite warm indeed. It's only when you contact the raw snow with your body, thus melting it and wetting your clothes that you get cold.
The heat from even the smallest of fires can heat up the interior of a snow-dwelling to quite a comfortable temperature (just be sure to poke a smoke hole in the top).
The best way to get a boy scout over his fear of snow is to hand him a portable (folding) shovel and tell him to make a home in it for a night or two.
Re:My prediction.... (Score:3, Funny)
-Paul Komarek
Re:My prediction.... (Score:2)
Re:My prediction.... (Score:2)
The same country that made Robot Wars, Junkyard Wars (aka Scrapheap Challenge), and the Secret Life of Machines series. And of course, the late Great Egg Race - that ruled when I was a kid. Tim Hunkin and Heinz Wolff are gods...
Grab.
Uh oh (Score:5, Funny)
"scientists"?
"practical use"!?
They're doomed.
Re:Uh oh (Score:2)
Actually, I've seen several episodes, and they seemed to succeed more than you would expect; it's not a bad program IMO.
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Re:Uh oh (Score:2)
That's assuming the engineers are from a real school, instead of some prissy place like MIT or Stanford, where real engineers are harder to find than supermodels that have read Calvin's Institutes. (Now there's a perfect woman!
A similar show in the UK... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:A similar show in the UK... (Score:1)
This was on the BBC, produced for the Open University.
I remember it being very good, but because it was for the OU, it was shown at about 1:00 AM so only insomniacs could watch it.
Check the show's site [open2.net]
Re:A similar show in the UK... (Score:1)
Re:A similar show in the UK... (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.open2.net/science/roughscience/
Re:A similar show in the UK... (Score:2)
The show is pretty good, I only caught one ep of it though. (Number 8 or so, they build a power grid and a pharmacy.)
Although I never got around to see more eps it's one of the better shows I've watched lately. A hell of a lot better than Survivor and that tripe.
Well Duh! It's the SAME SHOW!! (Score:1)
Obligatory Slashdot whine: (Score:2)
Re:Obligatory Slashdot whine: (Score:2)
Frontier House in the Desers? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Frontier House in the Desers? (Score:2, Insightful)
Too bad... (Score:3, Insightful)
Ginger! (Score:2)
Re:Ginger! (Score:1)
Re:Too bad... (Score:2, Funny)
Re: Mrs Howell (Score:2)
Don't get your hopes up. (Score:5, Informative)
That said, its still worth catching if you've nothing else to do.
Re:Don't get your hopes up. (Score:1)
Re:Don't get your hopes up. (Score:2)
Re:Don't get your hopes up. (Score:2)
Re:Don't get your hopes up. (Score:2)
Kate Humble (Score:1)
Re:Don't get your hopes up. (Score:2)
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Do they get to use textbooks? (Score:1)
How about survive and escape? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How about survive and escape? (Score:5, Funny)
Psychologists - Starve to death, but leave excellent documentation of the experience.
Organic Chemists - build homemade reactor to convert tree sap into TNT, cause large periodic explosions until they are rescued.
Nuclear Physicists - Would cause even bigger explosions, but lack the proper infrastructure.
Theoretical physicists - dismiss building a raft as trivial.
Software Engineers - Useless without coffee. In fact, useless altogether on desert island.
Evolutionary Biologists - Decide to stay and watch the ants.
Old joke (Score:1)
Re:How about survive and escape? (Score:4, Interesting)
The idea of a realistic situation like the above is to remove external intervention from the picture altogether. If you're actually stranded on a desert island, you don't get the opportunity to win a hammer - you have to strap a rock to a stick. You're not able to win an 8" sheath knife, you have to scratch a rock into a jagged and/or sharp edge.
I can't recall whom, or on what channel it was featured (I believe it was Discovery) a scientist (outdoor survivalist was, I believe, his actual trade) stranded himself in the bush - dropped his snowmobile (intentionally!) through thin ice out in the wild - miles from any civilization, and with only the most basic set of gear (the things a snowmobiler would typically carry with them, no fancy survival kits) and, of course, a camera (which, I believe, was dropped in advance, I forget how it was situated).
He started out his adventure soaked to the skin, cold, and without food (except for some energy bars he'd brought with him for the trip. Five of them, I believe. "Trail Snacks"). Being early afternoon, he had only a short time to locate a suitable area, build a shelter, start a fire, dry himself off, and find a source of food in the process (being cold and wet come nightfall with two feet of snow on the ground and more coming is a very bad thing<tm>).
He set up complicated camera shots by himself, for example; camera atop a mountain, run down mountain, walk across a field in camera's view, run back up mountain, stop camera (this brought an amusing anecdote where he set up the camera, ran down the mountain, looked up to see the camera tilting forward, forward, forward... thud!)
He used, and tested several survival techniques that he teaches in an outdoor survival course, for example setting up four smoke-signal fires on the extremeties of a cross which he walked into the snow in a large open area. At the end, he determined that it was too much hassle to run back and forth between each of them to light and maintain all the fires. He decided instead to go with a walked-in cross (or X, depending on how you look at it) with pillars at each corner and a single (large) signal fire at one extremity.
All in all, he was in the bush for a little over a week and managed to make himself a cozy living arrangement, including various meat and fish meals at dinner time. Some nights, of course, his fishing instrument didn't work so he didn't eat anything but berries.
To make a long story even longer {smile} - that is what reality television, IMHO, should be. No challenges, no assistance, no winning tools or champagne, no medical crew standing by to assist as soon as the going gets tough - just (an) individual(s) and (his/their) smarts to get through the situation. Camera crew optional.
Re:How about survive and escape? (Score:2)
Sorry, rereading the cryptonomicon now...
Re:How about survive and escape? (Score:1)
Re:How about survive and escape? (Score:1)
The obvious solution to your challenge. (Score:2, Funny)
I'm not sure what frightens me more (Score:2)
Are the scientists going to get voted off? Will they make alliances with each other and scheme to get the other scientists? Will they have to cook rats over their Bunson Burners?
Questions, questions.
Of Course . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
They're academics, aren't they?
Steve
PBS created reality TV in 1973 (Score:1)
They aren't following anyone. You should also see "Frontier House," [pbs.org] another PBS reality show. Nothing like the network stuff.
The Professor (Score:4, Funny)
(I don't understand why Gilligan's Island went so long, I mean the Professor came up with these brilliant inventions every episode. Why couldn't they just make a raft and have the Prof build a small nuclear reactor to power it?)
Re:The Professor (Score:1, Funny)
Re:The Professor (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The Professor (Score:1)
Re:The Professor (Score:2)
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What about the Howells? (Score:1)
And why were the Howells, a couple rich enough to buy the Eastern seabord, sharing a crummy little boat to begin with?
Re:The Professor (Score:2)
Of course it did, that was perfectly in-character. She never ran out of make-up either.
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Re:The Professor (Score:2)
I see you are not married... There is no connection to outfits vs time. None that I've discoverd anyhow.
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Re:If its full of product placement.... (Score:1)
Just like college.... (Score:1, Informative)
3 male - bio, phy, chem
4 female - bio, bio, bot, phy
You think they could have picked a few more women to represent the harder sciences. Everyone complains that not many women go into the sciences and those that do often wind up in a biology type of field (3/4 here).
Being an engineering major, out of a 60 person class there are maybe 5 girls. I once took a microbiology class for the easy A and out of the 60 person class I was one of 5 guys.
It's numbers like these that a college needs to advertise. My odds of getting laid in Micro are a lot higher than in any engineering course.
Re:Just like college.... (Score:1)
Re:Just like college.... (Score:1)
So, it's not 'hard' as in difficult, but hard as in tangible, matter-related sciences, as opposed to the human-related social sciences.
We might be arrogant, but we're not THAT arrogant.
Re:Just like college.... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Just like college.... (Score:1)
Well that.. and the fact that I hate engineers. But mainly the women thing
Oh, and there really isn't anything less hard-science about biology AC; if anything you're applying math and chemistry on top of all the extra stuff you have to learn in the bio field. If you think it isn't hard science, you've never studied it.
reality nitpick (Score:2, Insightful)
Please, almost as realistic as the real world, or survivor. Reality tv? That would be too boring. Call it what it is:
What would happen TV TM
Junkyard wars? (Score:3, Funny)
"Gee whiz, profesor, it's a good thing this moderately sized aircraft crashed in this remote location with key components intact! Now we can build our submarine!"
What a Godless show! (Score:1, Funny)
1. The First Challenge: Collect 200 Foreskins (1 Samuel 18:27)
Each Bible Fear Factor contestant will have 8 hours to collect two hundred foreskins with nothing more than a toenail clipper, a roll of paper towels, a Mason Jar, and 3 bus tokens....
"Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife." (1Samuel 18:27)
The fools! (Score:5, Funny)
Announcer: Fascinating. What scientific principle have you applied?
Dr. X: Leverage.
Announcer: I see, and how are you going to use your invention... what's it called?
Dr. X: A big stick.
Annonucer: Yes, your stick. Dr. Sullivan has succeeded in making charcoal a furnace. How does your invention compare to that?
Dr. X: I will use it to leverage his cranium.
Announcer: That science-speak is too much for me.
Dr. X: Let me demonstrate. [Smashes announcer's head in.]
coolness! (Score:1)
one of the shows dumped the scientists in spain (they didn't know that), and they had to pinpoint out their location, iirc.
some other tasks have been to make ice(withough electrics, refrigerator etc), take a photo(using only natural substances etc.
enjoy!
If they could... (Score:5, Funny)
Every season of Survivor is the same with the same cast of idiots starving because all they can find to eat are coconuts that practically fall out of the trees and hit them on the head and maybe some snails that crawled into their sleeping bags.
Pick up the damn fishing pole and catch some fish!
Real surviving (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure, he's a moron for not filing a cruise plan (er, the boating equivalent of a flight plan...whatever it's called) with the Coast Guard (but then, who really wants to voluntarily tell the gov't their every move?), or telling friends where he was going and when he'd be back...but he was a true survivor.
And,. although he was very happy to see the US warship, he wasn't looking for a free ride home: he asked them to repair his mast and he would sail home on his own. That's freakin' impressive.
He's a crap sailor... (Score:2)
Re:He's a crap sailor... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:He's a crap sailor... (Score:2)
Not a whole you can do anyhow if you lost your sales, no?
Might as well munch. Did he cook them? Raw fish sounds icky, but I guess if you are starving then it would fill the spot.
Re:He's a crap sailor... (Score:3, Informative)
Frankly, I'd love to know what the previous poster would do in the guy's situation - you're on a sailboat with no mast, no motor, and a dead radio. There are no ships in your vicinity for 3.5 months (yes, this is easily possible). Are you going to row back to shore? I don't think so.
For the record - one other ship did pass within visual range, but he was unsuccessful in signaling them. The Navy ship was only the second one he saw.
Re:He's a crap sailor... (Score:2)
Well, cool.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems a bit unfair to dismiss this man's plight so succinctly as you have done.
Of course it is. But this is
(Thanks for the correction, btw.)
scurvy? (Score:2)
Re:If they could... (Score:1)
I'm pretty sure they'd be okay if they actually did have to rustle up food.
Re:If they could... (Score:1)
Yeah, no kidding. I watched exactly one episode of Survivor, one where they had to try to make a fire. It was like pulling teeth to see how stupid they were. They finally made a bow and were spinning it and getting a little smoke, but their tinder was laying two feet away... ARGH..
Anyway, I didn't attempt to watch much more after that.
Re:If they could... (Score:1)
they wont be able to out-do the professor (Score:3, Informative)
- a bamboo lie detector (hooked up to the ship's horn and the radio's batteries)
- a coconut shell battery recharger
- a bamboo telescope
- a Geiger counter
- jet-pack fuel
- a bamboo xylophone
- keptibora-berry extract to remedy Gilligan's double vision
- an assortment of tonics, antiseptics, poisons, "spider cider" (to kill off gargantuan morning spiders)
- soap made from plant fats
- shark repellent
- a pedal-powered bamboo sewing machine
- lead radiation suits and make-up (protection from a meteor's cosmic rays)
- a helium balloon (rubber raincoats sewn together and sealed with tree sap)
- a strychnine serum that temporarily paralyzes Gilligan
- an electrode linked to to a pedal-powered generator
- pedal powered washing machine
- pedal powered water pump
- pedal powered telegraph
- Mr. Howell's roulette wheel and pool table
Seen it! (Score:1)
Meaning of 'rough' (Score:2)
It doesn't take much thought to realize that the word 'smooth' comes from an association with being clean-shaven. After all, it is applied only to men. If you want more evidence, how about the epithet 'smoothychops'.
Now consider a theoretician or a Real Programmer. Surely the first image that comes to mind is the possibly-overweight and heavily bearded man in loosely-fitting clothes. In a typical technology company, these people are at the opposite end from the marketroids; but despite their strong technical knowledge they may not always be able to apply it practically (to the end of making money, at least).
So we have at one end the clean-shaven, 'smooth' but superficial and essentially useless marketing half of a technology company. At the other, the -bearded but also somewhat unrealistic technical side. But in the programme 'Rough Science', competitors are expected to have theoretical knowledge and also to apply it successfully. The title refers to the several days' stubbly beard growth a typical male scientist will get after a few days stranded on the island. This 'rough', newly-grown beard is a blend of the two facial hair types.
TLC's Escape from Experiment Island (Score:2)
Put the War in Junkyard Wars (Score:2)
Is it just me... (Score:2)
Kjella
What's with Slashdot here (Score:2, Insightful)
What did you expect? Nova? Talk about preaching to the choir.
Soap (Score:2)
Stinky scientists...
Re:Soap (Score:2)
Previous articles mention soap killing both good and bad bacteria, and often enough, helping make more disinfectant-resistant bacteria.
However, one wonders at their solution to toilet paper? Weeds would be itchy and long grass might leave one with a green posterior?
Our next project is... self-manufactured preparation H - phorm
Wonder if they read Usenet (Score:1)
"Meanwhile, does anyone think that Survivor could be improved by combining it with Junkyard Wars?"
Too bad no Economists (Score:2)
With the economist running around with crackpot assumptions that have nothing to do with reality and the Engineer to save them all!*
*adapted from an old joke
What the heck? (Score:1)
clearly no reference to when the Harlem
Globetrotters arrive.
What gives?
Danny Dunn!!! (Score:1)
They turned being stranded into a competition and distributed points for whoever made the most useful inventions, such as a hot-water bath and homemade soap.
Other show ideas (Score:2)
Why scientists? We should be sending politicians, lawyers, CEO's, and telephone sanitisers to these islands. I bet they would accomplish a whole lot more than scientists would...
<CEO> ever since we adopted leaves as legal tender we've all become immensely rich.
I would think that a team of engineers would be more interesting than scientists. Who knows.
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As seen on BBC (Score:1)
Survivor meets Reality (Score:1)
Within a day, there would be a broadcast showing the crew tied up in the background with the 'subject' announcing to the network that they have 24 hours to get them out of here.
My favorite Episode was when Kirk... (Score:5, Funny)
I repeatedly uttered "fascinating" while watching this episode from the viewscreen on the bridge.
Obligatory Simpsons Quote (Score:2, Funny)
DuPont Information (Score:2, Insightful)
Rough Science - DuPont will be the corporate sponsor of the BBC production "Rough Science" in which 5 scientists on a remote island are challenged to solve science problems through their collective wits, scavenged items and the natural resources of their surroundings. The program will air on PBS stations in many of the top markets including LA, NYC, Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas & Washington D.C. Air dates and times vary by market. Major funding for the program is provided by the National Science Foundation. DuPont is the only corporate sponsor and our 15 second messages will appear at the beginning and close of each segment.
Re:Rumor from NBC (Score:1)
Re:se a clear subject that describes what your mes (Score:1)
Not _Scientologists_.