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Slashdot is Moving 122

Posted by CmdrTaco from the there's-free-farmland-out-west dept.
As I mentioned yesterday, Slashdot is moving from Exodus East to West. This will be happening at around 11pm Eastern. We hope the downtime will be relatively minimal, but DNS may be a little slower to catch up. You can use brak.slashdot.org for a few days if your DNS is slow to catch up to reality. Hopefully we'll see you on the other side. Hopefully. In the meantime talk amongst yourselves. Here's a topic: Is Agent-X Deadpool?
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  • great! (Score:5, Funny)

    by GoatPigSheep ( 525460 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:26PM (#4570666) Homepage Journal
    since I live in the east, I am looking forward to slashdot getting much much slower.

    Thanks alot
    • Well, I can tell you that right now, I'm getting very fast, if not instant response from slashdot.

      The last few weeks it has been slower than poop through a tar pit; often I'd have to submit forms more than once to get them to process.
      • The last few weeks it has been slower than poop through a tar pit


        No, no, no, NO! Have I taught you nothing? What you should have said was:

        "slower than a one legged cat trying to bury a turd on a frozen pond."

        Oh, and who the fuck is Deadpool? Is he from GI Joe?
    • Hey, just move out west with us! Sure, your cost of living will go up 100-fold, and you'll have to deal with the west-coast school of Laissez-faire driving, but at least you'll get your FP Trolls and duplicated stories fresh.
      • Dude all I have to say is BOSTON ..... mad expensive .... just as much traffic (I93 , Pike on friday afteroon .... DOWNTOWN BOSTON) ... and the people drive shittier ... not to mention there is nothing more attractive than a drunk chick slurring her mass accent so bad you can't even make out the fact she paaaawked her caaaaa in haaaaavvvvad yaaaaaaaaaadddddd !!!!!
    • Do you mean that you're able to tell the difference between east and west coast based sites just by judging their speed? I don't think so! 60ms added latency won't make the slightest difference, and I'd even say that slashdot servers being integrated to the main OSDN server farm will get better care and will run smoother.
    • Those poor people that live in the mountains. It must take forever for those electrons to make it up to them from near sea-level.
  • What are "Exodus West" and "Exodus East"? Obviously they are your servers or server locations, but could someone please explain in more detail?
    • Exodus [exodus.net] is an upstream ISP. They own uber pipes on the coasts.

    • Re:Perhaps I'm missing something but... (Score:4, Funny)

      by lukew ( 528994 ) <woodzy@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:30PM (#4570696)
      Being an Aussie with fuck all knowledge of american geography, I'll take a guess here. I'm assuming that they are moving from a datacentre hosted at Exodus on the East coast of america to a datacentre hosted on the West coast. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.


    • EXODUS EAST = Exodus Internet Exchange on the East Coast

      EXODUS WEST = Exodus Internet Exchange on the West Coast

      http://www.exodus.net/
    • Go see Exodus [exodus.net]

      They are a data center company that provides co-location to companies with numerous locations across the US. I used to be at the one in Irvine, CA but moved to SBC (Pacific Bell). SBC makes Exodus look like a joke.

    • Obligatory Bob Marley Post! (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!

    • Re:Perhaps I'm missing something but... (Score:4, Informative)

      by Fnkmaster ( 89084 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:33PM (#4570718)
      Well, Exodus is a bankrupt colocation company. At least last I checked they were bankrupt. They apparently were acquired (at least their assets and such were acquired) by Cable and Wireless back in February [exodus.com].
      I had a friend whose company was bought by Exodus. Luckily he managed to sell some of his Exodus stock before they fell into the shitter.


      Apparently some of their colo facilities must still be operated by Cable and Wireless - hope they aren't as empty as they were a year ago. I had some friends who went into an Exodus colo and said it looked like a ghost town at the time.

    • Exodus Boston 2 NOC is what we at OSDN call "Exodus East" and Exodus Santa Clara is what we call "Exodus West".
  • Agent-X is neither dead nor a pool?

    Discuss, I'm feeling verklempt.
    • SHEESH! The deal pool is the stage with the chains hanging from the roof, and you can upercut your opponent (while holding hold lp and lk) and they fall into the acid and turn into a skeleton...

      Don't you people know anything?

  • Mod points (Score:3, Interesting)

    by isorox ( 205688 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:29PM (#4570685) Homepage Journal
    Do I get another 30 mod points?

  • Downtime?!? (Score:3, Funny)

    by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:30PM (#4570691)
    We hope the downtime will be relatively minimal, but DNS may be a little slower to catch up.
    It better be I don't know how long I can last with out slashdot, I'm going to start going through withdrawl!
    *starts shaking*
    Just a few more hours... just a few more hours.. just a few more hours...

  • First Post... (Score:5, Funny)

    by flogger ( 524072 ) <non@nonegiven> on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:30PM (#4570698) Journal
    No.. I mean Last Post!

    hehe.

  • Gulag Taco (Score:3, Funny)

    by plierhead ( 570797 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:31PM (#4570706) Journal
    You said "talk amongst yourselves".

    There is one thing that has puzzled me about slashdot. That is that very seldom (perhaps never, at least I've never seen them) are any meta-topics posted like "why does the karma system work the way it does". Furthermore anyone who does raise such issues seems to (according to their moaning sigs and bitter journals anyway) be ruthlessly modded down as offtopic, perhaps even causing them to go all feral and troll-like.

    What about some discussion that would release these pent up forces and dispel the illusion of "Gulag Taco".

    • Re:Gulag Taco (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Fnkmaster ( 89084 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:36PM (#4570741)
      Agreed, I think some "meta conversation" could greatly improve Slashdot. I realize that /. will always be Rob Malda's playground and the editors can do whatever they please, but treating a community like their personal fiefdom has driven a lot of people away (to k5 and other places).


      I am not saying that they should throw away their own principles or ideas or turn this into a democracy experiment, but really, open it up to discussion, see what ideas are well received in the threads and consider adopting at least some of them if they make sense.

      • Re:Gulag Taco (Score:2, Insightful)

        by yack0 ( 2832 )
        Two words:

        Benevolent Dictatorship

        The way most community sites are really run.
      • "but treating a community like their personal fiefdom has driven a lot of people away (to k5 and other places)"

        The only problem with this is that K5 is shit boring.
    • First off, nobody cares. Slashdot "content" is apparently consumed mostly by passers-by. Taco himself has said that comments aren't of much concern to slashdot. If comments are unimportant to them, it follows that karma is of minimal concern.

      It would also seem that most (if not all) comments regarding the moderation system is some whiny bastard who can't accept that people aren't always going to get their jokes. All that noise tends to drown out our signal.

      I'm no expert on the subject, though. Every account I've ever had on slashdot has been $rtbl'ed, so I've never known the joys of modding down countless goatse posts. It sure sounds like fun.

      I'd really love to expand on this comment, but I've been smoking a bowl while typing it and I've got some ben and jerry's waiting.
    • In the old days of slashdot before journals, anybody could comment on any story, whether or not it existed. The comments on fake stories would like for several weeks and then drop off into the ether. There were semi-official fake topics for meta issues: moderation [slashdot.org] metamoderation [slashdot.org], etc. Today it seems that these have been disabled. Journals probably did a good job of replacing most of this conversation, but not really the meta discussion.

  • DNS may take a while to update, eh? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Did you guys forget the lesson you should have learned last time, and fail to:
    Set the expire times to 12 hours a few days in advance, 4 hours on the last day, then half an hour in the last 5 or so hours, and three to five minutes for the last forty minutes?
    You'd almost think that an Internet company (OSDN) would have a clue about how to apply the underlying technologies of the Internet.
    • Yes, they forgot. The TTL for their A records in 24 hours. You'd think they could have set it to something nice like 10 minutes for the last couple of days.

      Sure, some more DNS traffic, but big deal... better to have everyone able to hit the site.

    • Re:DNS may take a while to update, eh? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Electrum ( 94638 ) <david@acz.org> on Thursday October 31, 2002 @02:32AM (#4571034) Homepage

      Set the expire times to 12 hours a few days in advance, 4 hours on the last day, then half an hour in the last 5 or so hours, and three to five minutes for the last forty minutes?

      Why bother? With tinydns, you can specify a timestamp [cr.yp.to] for each record and automatically handle updates:

      You may include a timestamp on each line. If ttl is nonzero (or omitted), the timestamp is a starting time for the information in the line; the line will be ignored before that time. If ttl is zero, the timestamp is an ending time (``time to die'') for the information in the line; tinydns dynamically adjusts ttl so that the line's DNS records are not cached for more than a few seconds past the ending time. A timestamp is an external TAI64 timestamp [cr.yp.to], printed as 16 lowercase hexadecimal characters. For example, the lines

      +www.heaven.af.mil:1.2.3.4:0:4000000038af1379
      +www.heaven.af.mil:1.2.3.7::4000000038af1379

      specify that www.heaven.af.mil will have address 1.2.3.4 until time 4000000038af1379 (2000-02-19 22:04:31 UTC) and will then switch to IP address 1.2.3.7.

    • Since the change, the daily headlines are coming from a machine whose name does not resolve. the headers of the incoming mail now say (among other things)

      Received: from sc8-osdn-mail-1.osdn.com (66-35-250-105.osdn.com [66.35.250.105] (may be forged))

      sc8-osdn-mail-1.osdn.com resolves to 10.1.55.1 which I thought was one of those addresses you do not use on the public parts of the Internet. I think I saw the actual IP 66.35.250.105 resolve to the 66-... name, but it seems not any more, and that name does not resolve to anything. I guess the machine is a dual homed mail relay, giving out its internal name in its HELO, and the errors in the DNS setup are just adding to that problem.

      My spam trap sees "may be forged" as a sign that someone is trying to hide, and that is the mark of a spammer. The Slashdot headlines now go in my spam bucket.

      This topic is now so old that I doubt if anyone will read this - that is probably going to be true of anything I post now that I don't see the headlines.

  • So, one can now assume that Slashdot:

    likes PORK

    likes BEANS

    thinks BACON'S good

    wonders why no one comes to see it on its little cloud

    and doesn't know why. Maybe it's cuz it's up there cuttin' muffins! :)

  • Deadpool (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by Have Blue ( 616 )
    Whether he is or not, I'm sure Batman could beat him.

  • Meta topics.... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by chazzf ( 188092 )
    A meta topic. About bloody time. It would be nice to have these more often, to let slashbots discuss slashdot, without being modded offtopic or worse...
  • Being a sysadmin myself, I wonder how you'll proceed:
    -put down the current slashdot
    -push the DB as fast as possible to the new facilities (or they were already mirrored in real time?)
    -switch the dns record

    Does that sound right?

    • Re:A few questions regarding the move (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I think Taco is going to read the DB out over the phone, and someone on the other end is going to type it in. they aren't to bright around here
    • Actually, as a sysadmin I'd

      1. reduce ttl of dns entries (well in advance)
      2. suspend updates
      3. dump database
      4. start t-logging, restart updates, and ship dump to new server
      5. load dump
      6. suspend updates, switch dns (ddns), move t-logs, apply t-logs
      7. resume updates on new server
      8. ...
      9. PROFIT!!!
    • Basic rundown:
      Several days ago we started replicating to the west coast.
      Several days ago the servers were setup and tested for the last two days with a copy of the main DB

      Tonight:
      1) Set site to be static.
      2) Shut down daemons
      3) Let West coast slaves catch up with east coast master
      4) Shut down East coast master
      5) Take a snapshot of database
      6) Tell West coast master to no longer take data from east coast.
      7) Re rsync master file server to make sure it is the same as slave
      8) Turn on new west coast site
      9) Go see what is on Tivo

  • Tech Update? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TheRedHorse ( 559375 ) on Wednesday October 30, 2002 @10:39PM (#4570755)
    After the move to Exodus West can the slashdot readership get an update on what hardware slashdot is running on? The description in the FAQ is dated and I expect the tech to change slightly if not largely with the move to Exodus West.

    I'm sure that I am not the only /. reader interested in a hardware update.

  • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • No clue, but Deadpool really wasn't Deadpool either (his claim to being Wade Wilson turned out false - he actually killed Wade - the person he thought he was.)

    I still have issue 2 and 3 sitting on my desk unread. I'd really like an answer as to why Marvel decided to destroy my favorite comic book in the first place.

    • Except he really WAS Deadpool - he just never was Wade Wilson.

      Now he's some kind of half-mix of Deadpool, Swan, and who knows what else.

      I was equally annoyed when Marvel ended Ghostrider 2099.
  • ...so they do a production change-over during the course of a business day, rather than at a weekend...

    I'll bet they haven't even shortend the TTL of their DNS entries in advance... bloody amatuers...
  • Just when I'd made a ripper of a comment to whore all those +30 karma points, too!

    Damn. Hope it goes back up soon, I've got some serious karma grabbing to do...
  • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • This is the new server, and I can log in and post, so everything seems to be going ok. By my watch, 35 minutes, total time

    So, let's hear it for a successful transfer!
    • Actually, just a quick note: I noticed that since every link points to slashdot.org and not brak.slashdot.org, simply using brak.slashdot.org until the DNS updates is not sufficient.

      Looks like people (like me) who don't run their own DNS will have to just update their hosts file for the moment....
  • AgentX [scguild.com] is actually an IETF sub-agent protocol for use with SNMP. Though no longer officially on the List of currently active working groups [ietf.org], it's fairly widely used.

  • Tried like five times to post a reply to the recent Slashback in Phoenix. Each time I hit "Preview" I got a list of current topics. Like the form had forgotten to specify or something. So finally in desperation, I fired up Windows (via Win4Lin) and tried IE.


    Worked just fine.


    Is this just a coincidence, or did Slashcode change during the move to be specifically mozilla-unfriendly? If this post goes through (trying from Phoenix first) then I'll assume it was just coincidence.

  • You can use brak.slashdot.org for a few days if your DNS is slow to catch up to reality.
    This advice looks good first, but does not help at all: the only thing one can read at brak.slashdot.org is list of articles. When I click the article to see the discussion, I am redirected to http://slashdot.org. This brings up the question: what is the point of using absolute URLs (http://slashdot.org/blah) instead of relative ones (/blah) which would allow me to browse brak.slashdot.org?
  • Why am I seeing ads on the homepage?! I subscribed and still have literally thousands of ad-free views left.
  • Now I can waist even more time at work reading slashdot. :)
  • Westsiiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiide!
  • All of us should treasure his Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a
    Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks,
    tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks:
    "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."
    -- Robert Wilson, "John Dillinger Died for You"

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