New Lord of the Rings Trailer 253
An anonymous reader writes "Apple is hosting the new trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Of course, the trailer is in quicktime. Looks pretty darn good, in my opinion."
I just finished the 4th disc on FotR, and am ready for TTT to be out now!
And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:1, Insightful)
...remember NOT to whine about the next tactics of MPAA and/or DRM implementations and/or Palladium. When you buy the movies, you finance those operations.
Think about it.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2, Interesting)
And piracy? How can anyone stand those awful telesync's? I know, I know, there as a good quality FotR dvd rip out a month after the movie, but that is pretty rare.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2, Funny)
Catch 22, my friend, Catch 22.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no inconsistency between (a) enjoying the creative work of the artists who make these movies and music, and (b) decrying the oppresive tactics of the "executives" who both corrupt the laws of the varying nations to protect their stranglehold on content and rip off the artists who actually create the content.
So yes, enjoy the film, continue to complain about the actions of the suits, and understand that doing one is not the opposite of the other.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2, Insightful)
yes, there is [almost] nothing wrong with enjoying the movie.
But, I think you should be aware of who is getting your money, and how they are going to use it.
p.s. Have you ever noticed that posting to have something modded up or down is usually more effective than actually moding it up your self (assuming you have points).
Or even just asking to be modded in the text of your own message.
If you ask me thats F*ing retarded
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:3, Interesting)
Since the RIAA has gone after music sharers and now they are making copy-protected cd's... I refuse to buy a cd ever again. The movie industry, while pissing me off with macrovision protection and regional encoding, they haven't actually gone after things that make dvd players regionless, they don't (or at least it hasn't come out that they do) rape the artists and keep all the money.
Because of the rise of prices, I now rarely go see a movie in theaters because it's too expensive. For 2 people to go see a movie in the theater, it costs just as much to buy the dvd when it comes out. And for those movies you don't think you'd like, just head over and rent it (or download it).
I love movies, there is no other way to boycott the MPAA than to avoid watching movies except when I go to a friends house to watch it. Movies just aren't prevelant enough on the internet to download and after spending a few hours to download movie if you have a bad quality version you just wasted a lot of time.
If there is really going to be any change, the media needs to show people affected by these things.
Back to the original poster, Peter Jackson is making a great movie about possibly the greatest literary work of the 20th century. And if you don't like it, go to your preference page and check off to exclude movie news. Then you don't have to put up with it anymore.
-Chris
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:5, Informative)
The best reports are that New Line spent about half a billion dollars making and promoting The Lord of the Rings, all three films, and that includes money budgeted but not yet spent on promotion and advertising for the last movie. Of that half a billion, about $300 million went into making the movies themselves. The $500 million figure includes all the cost of making, distributing, promoting, and showing the movies; basically, the studio's total costs.
According to boxofficemojo.com, The Fellowship of the Ring has made about $860 million worldwide for New Line since its release last year. That's only gross revenue to the studio generated by movie theaters; it doesn't include DVD sales or any other sources of revenue.*
The punchline: if nobody in the world buys a ticket for the next two movies, New Line still will have made about a 72% profit on the Lord of the Rings. They could put The Two Towers and The Return of the King on a shelf, finished but unreleased, and still have made a fortune.
* Historically, the ratio of worldwide box office receipts to worldwide revenues from all media is about 1:1.5. In other words, for every dollar of box office gross, a movie can be expected to generate about $1.50 in video sales, rentals, TV rights, book and toy tie-ins, and so on.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
The article before this titled "Attempts To Stop Music Sharing Pointless?" may be right, though. The ultimate weapon against stealing has always been keeping your morals in place and I see no attempt at people trying to bolster that.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
three times, and will certainly see TTT and ROTK
similarly. I downloaded FOTR while waiting for
the 4-disc set to come out, and if I feel like
downloading TTT and ROTK, I damn well will.
It's about the freedom, stupid.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Freedom to take without permission. I love it. Only in America.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
I think entitlement is the word of the day (week, year?) here. Pretty sad.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
fallacious self-serving justification of
extortion" is the operative phrase. After
shelling out a few hundred to support an
organization that is actively pursuing the
rape of the public domain and the suppression
of free speech, I think I've done more than
my share to support the art that I am
consuming, and I unilaterally claim a
comprehensive right to unlimited use of this
material in my home, where, by the way,
I have the right to privacy and what I do
is none of your flipping business.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
If you think the laws are broken, it's up to you to lobby and support efforts to get them changed. Otherwise, you can't complain when what you do continues to be illegal.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
their own accord, I decided to waste a few
million of them with Zyklon-B.
The analogy sounds about as relevant as yours.
I don't understand how you justify it.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Extremism is the only true path.
I repent in sackcloth and ashes!
Not.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
As I understand it, the numbers reported as "box office grosses" are studio grosses, not theater grosses. The figures come from the total amount of money paid to the distributor on a given day, weekend, or (in this case) interval.
I won't swear that this is true, but I understand it to be so. If I'm wrong, then oops.
Also, I'd be stunned if Jackson, or anybody else, was getting gross points. Points on the net, sure, but gross points?
(That said, I have been stunned before, so it's not impossible.)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
Ho. Lee. Shit.
(If you're doing the math at home, that comes to $53 million for Fellowship alone. And that doesn't even count the bragging rights. "Nyaah, nyaah, I made The Lord of the Rings and you didn't, nyaah, nyaah." Not bad for five years' work.)
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
The Time article they mention is online [time.com]. It mentions Jackson's 10+%, it also mentions that Harvey Weinstein (of Miramax) gets 5% of gross. And it mentions that New Line's initial investment was only $25M per film which is only about 30% of the costs (presumably they invested further when budget blew out by $40M from $270M to $310M). So I think it is highly likely that New Line are not making anywhere near the sort of money a lot of people think.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
No -- theaters live on popcorn (Score:2)
From a friend who ran one, the theaters are totally dependant on popcorn and candy to turn a profit, hence the whacko prices. (Popcorn has an even bigger margin than soda.) Here's an overview [cnn.com].
My peeve is that box office totals are never adjusted for inflation, so the term "blockbuster" doesn't mean a whole lot in comparison to a film 20 years ago like Star Wars. On the other hand, the studios have grown much savvier about wringing every last penny out of a film, from product placements to marketing tie-ins to figurines.
I have no doubt LOTR will be a cash cow. It's like the next Star Wars, a tightly threaded trilogy. Or maybe more -- anyone else read the Silmarillion [cts.com]? (It has been 30 years since I did.) Can you say "prequel"?
Silmarillion (Score:2)
I do remember it was quite a slog to read, but LOTR wasn't light reading. I wonder how many people will or have read the books, and understand the difference? There was a very funny thread here about the number of people overheard in the theater who didn't know it was a trilogy and were pissed that the movie ended so abuptly; who were annoyed they'd "have to wait a year to find out what happens next"; or who didn't even know the movie was based on a book.
And before any wiseass corrects me, I do realize that LOTR is technically not a trilogy, that was just a marketing feint.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:2)
When I pay for my movie tickets, I'm not concerned about how I'm going to watch it on DVD months later because I'm not forced into any DRM agreements there. I'm paying for my tickets because they cover my current entertainment that the transaction represents. It's the guy in the back with the camcorder and his connection to the guy selling the movie on the street that's causing the management to be nervous. He's akin to the average KaZaa'er.
Worry about your DVD playability later when the DVD hits the shelves. But please, while about them if you're truly being infringed on and not if you are deciding that you are entitled to rip a DVD because your friend paid for it. Sorry, but I know too many people who have MP3s for music they do not own and download ripped movies that they do not own. I'm pretty sure the whole reason movie/music downloading is so popular is that it is being abused by a majority that has no right to it. If you're among them, you are no better than petty thieves; have fun leeching off humanity. Just because you *can* rip it doesn't necessarily make it right for *you* to rip it. And by giving yourself the right to perform something illegal against someone else, I see no reason someone else can't do the same to you.
For pete's sake, how do you expect people to respond when you walk into their house and steal from under their nose? You have to identify yourself before you can walk in. Now, thanks to those without morals, we who follow the rules get to deal with DRM to go into that house of entertainment. Who wants to finance a decent picture when they know the public will rip them off in exchange for their work rather than applaud them? That's when we end up with formula pictures like Home Alone 17.
Re:And while you're so hot about the movie... (Score:3, Informative)
I copied discs one and two to my girlfriend's iBook so she could watch them on the plane on the way to her uncle's house. No problems. Works fine. Just like every other DVD.
(Had to clean off nearly 20 GB to make the damn things fit, though. Hope she doesn't need MS Office until she gets back.)
read the book (Score:4, Insightful)
Signed: an old-fashioned geek
The World is composed of two kinds of people... (Score:1)
and those that will read the books.
Enjoy them...
Re:The World is composed of two kinds of people... (Score:1)
Re:The World is composed of two kinds of people... (Score:1)
Oh yeah?? Well I've read all the books, and I plan to read them again in the future. Wrap that little paradox into your precious little either-or divisioned world!
Re:read the book (Score:3, Interesting)
The part of Merry/Pippin and Treebeard is not as boring (and nonsense) as the Bombadil's, but is is the slowest part of the whole TTT. And even being huge, there's no scenes of it in this "new" trailer.
So, what should I wait, and what I shoudn't? Either way, it will be great to discover.
Re:read the book (Score:2)
Re:read the book (Score:2)
Re:Tom Bombadil (Score:2)
Note that this trailer has a big spoiler! (Score:5, Informative)
.. so if you haven't read the book already (what kind of a geek are you?) but are watching the movies, then DON'T WATCH THIS TRAILER, IT'LL SPOIL IT FOR YOU.
What were they thinking?
Re:Note that this trailer has a big spoiler! (Score:2)
And don't look at the title sequence either, or you might catch a glimpse of the name of an actor playing a character who by all rights must be dead.
Why is this on Slashdot?? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Why is this on Slashdot?? (Score:4, Informative)
Even slashdot mentioned it when it came out, here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/30/17172
Re:Why is this on Slashdot?? (Score:3, Informative)
The confusion being "Zoo York" was destined to be in a yet uncompleted CD of Requiem remixes. [clintatthecontrols.com]
It's a /. dupe even. (Score:1, Informative)
Then you must not be reading slashdot regularly, because this trailer was the topic of a 400+ discussion back in September [slashdot.org].
Direct Download (Score:5, Informative)
Not a new trailer (Score:5, Informative)
how to play in linux (& link) (Score:5, Informative)
1. wget "http://progressive.stream.aol.com/newline/gl/new
2. Follow instructions on http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/qt-libwine-howto.tx
I'm not sure it will work, but it's worth a try...
Re:how to play in linux (& link) (Score:1, Informative)
Re:how to play on a REAL computer (Score:3, Funny)
Re:how to play on a REAL computer (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:About Quicktime (Score:3, Informative)
QuickTime is an API that defines a file format, not a codec. If you're not happy with the output of whatever codec you're using, use a better codec (or more likely, learn how to tune the one you're using for your subject matter).
It's bloated, and has a ugly player which you can't replace.
You do realise that QuickTime (the API) is not the same as QuickTime Player (the app)?
If you want to write a better movie player on top of QuickTime, knock yourself out - there used to be several such things on the Mac, all using the same API calls as the official player (QuickTime itself doesn't care - it's app agnostic).
A Quicktime movie can use /any/ codec (Score:2, Informative)
You can choose a plethora of codecs to use when making your quicktime movie, just like an avi or other such format.
You can even use the DV codec, which is why iMovie can capture so easily in realtime from your flashy firewire equipped camcorder without nailing the CPU - it doesn't have to do too much processing.
Hell, if you want you can use mpeg4 although this is only supported in Quicktime 6 (download the player free from apple).
Can't wait! (Score:1)
The new trailer's not bad either. And at least everyone can watch it now thanks to the linux plugin.
And as one of the probable few who haven't read a single word of the books, this series has definitely put them on my "to read" list. The hard part is going to be finding the time...
Am I missing something? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:5, Informative)
To find it you'll have to go to the 'select chapter menu' and have a look at the last chapter. When you move up again you'll see in the bottom right of the screen two towers. Select that, press ok
Have fun !
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:3, Informative)
[sigh]
Re:Am I missing something? (Score:5, Informative)
It's on the R1 disc, the instructions weren't quite clear exactly WHERE you had to press DOWN at. You press down from the far-right group listing, NOT from the chapter name itself (mentally split the three areas you can navigate left and right into three columns, you want to be on the bottom right item, then press DOWN, and you'll get the Towers graphic as the original poster described). On the FIRST disc of the Extended DVD you can get to the MTV spoof of the Council of Elrond scene by going to the last chapter (this time the SECOND/MIDDLE column of selectable menu items) and press DOWN on the last item (doing this on the 2nd disc moved you to the first chapter, on the 1st disc it brings up a small ring icon in the bottom/middle area, press ENTER on this ring icon).
Sorry for my previous rant. I still think regions are lame though.
background music (Score:1)
Re:background music (Score:5, Informative)
Re:background music (Score:2)
I suspect, though, given that the first half was the soundtrack from American Beauty and the last was straight out of Requiem for a Dream, that it was just something the pirate kiddies added in on a pre-released version with no soundtrack.
Re:background music (Score:3, Interesting)
This is also discussed on this week's Roger Ebert Movie Answer Man [suntimes.com].
old (Score:1)
Slashdot's news rep... (Score:1)
Re:Slashdot's news rep... (Score:2)
But the important part is that some of the 12 related stories
have links [kansas.com] to buying [scifi.com] tickets. [go.com]
Re: (Score:2)
Movie industry (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Movie industry (Score:3, Informative)
Peter Jackson is definitely not commanding a high salary (he doesn''t have enough experience), although I rea;;yy hope they give him a point or two of revenue. The same goes for the rest of the cast: no big budget names there.
Instead, we have got a picture that looks like a lot of money was spent on it. If someone at newline ends up making a bundle out of it, so what, we have ended up with a good film. Rgerttably that can not be said of a lot of movies out there.
Sorry, I meanth $200million (Score:2)
Re:Movie industry (Score:1)
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
Sure, they'll just give him 10% of the profits. [slashdot.org]
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
Re:Movie industry (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
To be honest, I guess that New Line didn't really guess how big it would be until the first came out. Many fantasy films do not do that well and maybe they didn't realise the place of LOTR.
New Line seems better than many companies, but if they realised how big this was worth, I guess they wouldn't have given it to Jackson or the cast. As it is, as there were no superstars there (or their egos), just a very good team and the movies was the better for it.
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
I just hope he doesn't go the way of Ridley Scott or James Cameron.
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
I still havent seen the movie and I havent read any of the books. Am I the only one?
Re:Movie industry (Score:2)
LOTR is not a Hollywood movie. It was made by people with a genuine love of Tolkien. So stop babbling formulaic counter-counter-culture cliches. Honestly.
Excerpt from Clip (Score:5, Funny)
"I was entering my quest plans on a PC and it went, like, beep beep beep..."
OK, you know the rest.
Its just a rumor (Score:3, Funny)
Jesus, how can Slashdot be this far behind?
In Quicktime, SO WHAT?? (Score:3, Informative)
So fucking what? You think I can't play it on Linux? You're wrong. MPLAYER [mplayerhq.hu] is the solution.
Comment removed (Score:3, Informative)
Arwen--what? (Score:2, Redundant)
I loved the production design and art direction of the first movie, but some of the character portrayals made me sad. And I still haven't figured out why Jackson is pushing Arwen so much. Is it really his interpretation of the story or did someone tell him to make the movies more romantic to appeal to a wider audience than those who have read the books?
Re:Arwen--what? (Score:2)
I get the sense that they are partly a flashback, but mainly a separate plot thread involving the elves leaving for the Undying Lands.
And I still haven't figured out why Jackson is pushing Arwen so much.
This has been answered by PJ many times. Tolkien's work has many great themes. Among them are the end of the things and the beginning of others. The story of Arwen and Aragon is the perfect vehicle to bring these to cinema.
Or did you think that LOTR was just some geek hobbit jaunt through Middle Earth?
Re:Arwen--what? (Score:2)
Re:Arwen--what? (Score:2)
I just finished watching the extended edition (whew, LONG movie, very very worth it), and my suspicions are confirmed: they didn't reforge Narsil because Aragorn wasn't ready for it/didn't want it.
Therefore, it'll be reforged in TTT, and someone will have to bring it. Guess who?
As to why Peter's pushing Arwen: that's pretty obvious. She's needed to build up Aragorn's character. Without her, he's just an action hero.
Tolkien had a lot of liberty in the books that Peter doesn't have for the movies. I think Peter, by and large, made some very good choices; delaying the reforging of Narsil was one of them (although cutting out the part where they talk about it was not such a good choice, IMO, since that talk makes Aragorn's character more evident).
I do miss Glorfindel, though. Seems he always gets dunked in the movies (he's ALWAYS cut out). I don't blame the producers, and in fact Tolkien really shouldn't have put him in because at the time of LOTR he was ___DEAD___, but poor guy...
-Billy
Re:Glorfindel (Score:2)
He never precisely explained, but I recall there being a letter in which he speculated about rebirth or resurrection having been the cause (he used resurrection elsewhere).
-Billy
What, this IS the old one... (Score:3, Funny)
Must ... wait ... till ... December ... 18th.
Ha! I claim a new buzzword. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Long wait (Score:1)
Actually, it's not (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Actually, it's not (Score:2)
I believe you can buy editions where all six are separated too, though I am not certain.
Re:Actually, it's not (Score:2)
Re:Long wait (Score:2)
"Amazing, that for a people with nothing to do on a rainy Sunday afternoon, we feverishly clamor for immortality."
Re:interest in LOTR == sign of a sick mind (Score:1)
he might argue that studying the past is preparing him for the future, but its all an escape of fascination someway or another.
Re:interest in LOTR == sign of a sick mind (Score:1, Troll)
mmm, flame (Score:1)
So forget about history, it's dead... read the newspaper (and your local "alternative" paper), internet news sites, etc, and when that gets to depressing, switch back to fantasy worlds where good vs. evil is clearly laid out and you can be inspired to believe there may be truth and justice in this world (even if there aren't such, it is better to believe).
That's my return flame.
Re:interest in LOTR == sign of a sick mind (Score:1, Troll)
Ok, I'll spend a minute of my unreal life and sick mind to answer it:
They are constrained tautologies designed to provide you with a cosy and unchallenging little universe where you can retreat from real life
Don't you think that's why people like to watch them?
Re:interest in LOTR == sign of a sick mind (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:interest in LOTR /Decline and Fall (Score:2)
Gibbon wrote his history in a day when we knew far less about the "Barbarians" than we do now, far less about the economics of the Roman Empire. The result was he had to construct a story, one in which (in fact) Christianity is the villain bringing the Empire into eventual decline. He may be right about this, I suspect it's a gross oversimplification, but whatever, when he actually wrote it, it was a story.
And what about Moby-Dick? Does all the technical stuff about whale-hunting in the mid-nineteenth century make it a solid factual read, or is it in fact an escapist account of adventures in a world alien to almost all its readers, and so a kind of science fiction?
Just because it's a troll, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a response.
Re:interest in LOTR /Decline and Fall (Score:2)
The transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire and then in the Roman Christian Empire was not so much a tale of military defeat but instead a gradual yet systematic progression. Urban centres that had endured for centuries disappeared "overnight" -- well, within a generation or two. Mostly this was not a result of warfare, but of a change in people's perceptions of what was important. A lot of this was due to the immigeation into the Roman Empire of people from the north of Europe who didn't share the same fasciunation with communal property and urban tithes. The cultural division between the the Gallo-Romans and the Carolingian/Merovingian Franks in what became France is a classic example of this change and the difficulties both "sides" had in evolving a common set of laws acceptable to all members of both communities.
The rise of a version of Christinaity to eminence within the Roman Empire was an effect of a growing tendency towards centralization, coupled with a general shift in people's attitudes from a simple, direct relationship with nature (animism) to a complex system of Pagan (then Christian) hierarchies and moral sensibilities. Between 50AD-250AD saw a huge growth in the complexity and depth of Pagan philosophies (the Stoics, etc) as well as Christian philosophies.
It's a lot easier and sexier to imagine that the Roman Empire broke up because of barbarian invasion. The more comprehensive account of its gradual transformation, and the of the people from Animism through Paganism into Christians, is best told not in war-obsessed works such as Gibbons' but instead in something like History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium [amazon.com] .
In many ways the decline of the British Empire will seem similar in centuries to come. Sustained by small-scale military endevours, except for the war against the 13 Colonies the UK never fought a sustained campaign against any of its colonies that demanded independence. Instead, it slowly withdrew from them. Imagine India and Zimbabwe a century from now... they will have very little in common except for their past membership of the British Empire. But they will share some common language similarities (British English) and some cultural institutions. So it was in far-flung sections of the Roman Empire that began to evolve and acculturate their inherited Latin into regional dialects and local laws and customs.
Silmarillion (Score:2)
Re:Silmarillion (Score:2)
It would never sell, but it could be a fine work of art.
--
Evan
Re:Didn't it bother anyone... (Score:2)
Jeez, I noticed that trailers use music from previously released movies about 15 years ago, they allways use music from other movies.
If its a comedy, listen for the soundtrack from Beetlejuice, if its action, the one from The Rock (alcatraz, not the wrasller).
I've been told that Dark City used its own music in the trailers, that's the only one I know of that did.
No need to get all angry at them, its just a trailer you know. I think they mostly do it because the music isn't allways done in time for the teasers and the trailers (I know that they finished the music for the crappy "reimagining" of Planet of the Apes about 2 weeks before its release). As far as copyrights are concerned, they either use music from their own studios (they own them) or they pay for 'em. No biggie.