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British To Release UFO Files 327

Sean Stidman writes "Looks like the Brits are planning to release their secret files on many UFO sightings, including the famous Rendlesham Forest incident. These files should be ready for download by the end of this week, which I guess means by tomorrow. Are their servers going to be able to handle the load?"
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28, 2002 @03:53PM (#4776734)
    "Are their servers going to be able to handle the load?"

    If the /. editors can refrain from duplicating this story tomorrow then nobody will remember the link.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Good thing they never repeat submissions!
    • If the /. editors can refrain from duplicating this story tomorrow then nobody will remember the link. .. including the editors, so when they stumble upon the news tomorrow or so they'll think "wow, we haven't linked to *that* before; I'll just post the news myself". If they won't stumble upon it, a Slashdot reader that forgot about the yesterday news will.

      So my theory is that regardless what will happen, there *will* be a dupe. ;-)
  • by Quasar1999 ( 520073 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @03:55PM (#4776740) Journal
    What they will finally admit that the royal family is actually from some distant star system? I knew it!
  • Incidents (Score:2, Funny)

    by VON-MAN ( 621853 )
    That "famous Rendlesham Forest incident" wasn't that the one with the UFO with the mysterious blue/red flashing lights. And with the red(!) flashing lighthouse a couple of clics away?
    Supposed the be the British "area 51", says a lot 'bout UFO loons :-)
  • by I Am The Owl ( 531076 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @03:58PM (#4776758) Homepage Journal
    Even though the British government has been collecting information on its citizens for quite some time and violating their Constitutional rights to online privacy with their big government databases, they have nothing on the US.

    Do you think for a second that the NSA and the Alien Studies Administration (a secret, classified offshoot of the CIA) will ever let this come to light and compromise the Roswell coverup and numerous other incidents throughout the decades that have helped the government implant thought-tracking devices in the heads of key international figures in exchange for allowing the aliens to abduct a fixed quota of non-desirable citizens each year? Fat fucking chance! They are still out there, in their black helicopters and UFO-saucers, aiming their laser rifles at all the fuckers who think they have them beat. I can block their radiation brain wave modifiers with a special metal I concocted in my basement.

    I can't prolong this transmission because they are getting a fix on my location. Please, please, listen to me and believe me when I say that you need to steal this for the short time it is up before THEY realize it is there. Fight the power!

    • Even though the British government has been collecting information on its citizens for quite some time and violating their Constitutional rights to online privacy with their big government databases, they have nothing on the US.

      Britain doesn't have a constitution, so their citizens don't have constitutional rights. Eh, big boy?
      • by Malc ( 1751 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:39PM (#4776913)
        Britain does have a constitution, but it's not a single written document - it's an uncodified constitution. It comes from several sources including statues such as the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights and the Act of Settlement, political conventions (laws and customs of parliament) and case law (common law). There are two basic principles: rule of law, and the supremacy of parliament
    • by JamesCronus ( 592398 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:44PM (#4776927)
      sorry to break this to you, but as a british citizen, until the recent human rights act, i didnt have ANY rights, at all. and not only that, i have no constitution either.

      in britain, the queen owns my ass. though in practice because of our civil war (yes we had one, and guess what its was before yours too!) she cant actually do very much with it.

      brain wave modifiers? hello?
      • in britain, the queen owns my ass. though in practice because of our civil war (yes we had one, and guess what its was before yours too!) she cant actually do very much with it.

        Oh? I woulda thought it was just because she's well over 70 now and wouldn't take all that much interest in it.
      • ...until the recent human rights act, i didnt have ANY rights...

        Wrong. You did, and still do, have the right to do anything not prohibited by law. Our laws do not say "you are allowed to do U, V, and W," they say "you are not allowed to do X, Y and Z." (U, V, W, X, y and Z being things that you can or cannot do.) I don't need a law to say I can post on slashdot (for example) - the fact that no law says I can't means I can. (And, for the pedants in the audience, I mean in general, I know there are some things the law says I can't say - incitement to racial harted is an offence, as is saying I could get you illegal drugs [counts as intent to supply, iirc] - to give two examples.)
      • I was gonna say that maybe 'you' had been visited by aliens and had your funny bone removed... but then I realised you're a pommie so that's an anatomical impossibility. ;)

  • only if (Score:5, Funny)

    by malana-cream ( 546316 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @03:59PM (#4776764)
    Are their servers going to be able to handle the load?

    only if it's an x-fileserver.
  • by product byproduct ( 628318 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:01PM (#4776778)
    Letting the Americans have one last turkey feast before announcing the alien invasion.
  • We can learn the secret to phoning home.
  • I've read about Project Blue Book, Roswell, and big-eyed aliens all my life. I don't know why... but it didn't occur to me that other countries had UFO-coverup stories. What else is out there?
    --
  • Alien Haiku (Score:4, Funny)

    by Angry White Guy ( 521337 ) <CaptainBurly[AT]goodbadmovies.com> on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:10PM (#4776819)
    The aliens land,
    taking all the hot women.
    Slashdotters are greived.
    • <quote> The aliens land, taking all the hot women. Slashdotters are greived. </quote>

      More likely, most don't even notice the difference (at least not the editors w. the repeating stories)

    • It never does fail,
      The rule is 'I' before 'E',
      Except after 'C'.
      • Well, it does blow the haiku, but for completeness:
        Except when sounded like "A" as in neighbor and reign.

        • Re:Alien Haiku (Score:2, Interesting)

          by RichardX ( 457979 )
          It never does fail,
          The rule is 'I' before 'E',
          Except after 'C'.
          Except when sounded like "A" as in neighbor and reign.

          Actually, it does fail when you throw "weird" at it. E before I, and no C, or A. So.. uh.. nerr-nerr-ner-nerr-nerr

          Unless of course I missed another part of it which covers that case. In which event, this post is a forgery. By aliens. Big green ones, with bug-eyes, 'n everything.
    • Don't you mean:

      "Slashdotters barely notice, as the jpegs of said women remain in place." ?

      After all, most of you wouldn't ever notice if all the hot women in the world actually didn't exist. As a matter of fact, to them, you don't...


      Joking.
    • by joss ( 1346 )
      I suspect that for many slashdotters, being abducted by aliens and forced to procreate is about their best chance of getting hot women.
  • Does this means we'll be able to download all those UFO episodes????
  • by aaronhurd ( 630047 ) <slashdotNO@SPAMaaronhurd.com> on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:13PM (#4776830) Homepage
    This will definitely be interesting to see, but as always with governments releasing "secret files," I am skeptical. Certainly these files, if they are legitimate, are not the complete collection, but rather very carefully selected tidbits from the massive archives of British intelligence.
  • UFO != Alien Life (Score:5, Insightful)

    by peterprior ( 319967 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:14PM (#4776834)
    I wish people would stop thinking "UFO! OMG! Aliens!"..

    A UFO is exactly that... an Unidentified Flying Object. It doesn't mean it's from another planet, it just means there was an object in the air, and some bystander with a fuzzy camcorder at best couldn't work out what it was.

    • But why do these bystanders always live in trailer parks?
    • In addition, it doesn't mean "supernatural" either. This is another confusion that people sometimes make. Just because UFOs, aliens and the supernatural are somehow strange, doesn't mean they are related to each other.
    • by Wraithlyn ( 133796 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:54PM (#4777159)
      Have you read this transcript and report [demon.co.uk]? This is a military report, drawn from multiple eye witnesses, and includes scientific measurements of depressions, abrasions, and radiation levels.. this is not some hick in a trailer park trying for 15 minutes of fame.

      Furthermore, I think it's a bit dismissive in this case to call it "just some object in the air", like it could be a weather balloon or swamp gas or something. This is an object that moves and behaves like no known terrestrial phenomenon.

      What do you think it could be? Ball lightning? Its movements seem too deliberate. Secret American or Russian aircraft with magnetic/gravitic propulsion and stealth tech? About as hard to swallow as aliens.

      I'm not saying OMG! Aliens! ... But, I think this is pretty damn interesting.
      • How exactly is this transcript supposed to have been obtained? I'm sceptical about it because the language doesn't strike me as 1970s British English. In particular:
        Halt: We just crossed the creek.
        "Creek" isn't a term applied to British geography.

        Plus, the talk of deflection needles doesn't quite ring true.

        • They're not British, they're United States Air Force. The summary report starts out with "1. Early in the morning of 27 Dec 80 (approximately 0300L),two USAF security police patrolmen saw unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge.", and the "Halt" in question is "CHARLES I. HALT, Lt Col, USAF" as noted at the bottom of the transcript.
    • Okay, so the government is going to release its files. But I don't see any announcement that the aliens are going to release _their_ files about the incident. What are they trying to hide from us?
  • by trentfoley ( 226635 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:25PM (#4776871) Homepage Journal
    I'd like to see just how much money Universal / USA Network / SciFi Channel have put in to promoting Mr. Spielberg's upcoming 20 hour mini-series. So far I've seen:
    1. Bombardment of ads for the show.
    2. Ads for freedomofinfo.org (checkout the whois)
    3. The Abduction Diaries ???
    4. A Geraldo style show about Roswell
    5. And now, paying off the Brits to unleash their hype^H^H^H^Hinfo.

    It all seems pretty expensive to me.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    the release will consist of ...
    - footage of brightly coloured aliens with CRT screens embedded in abdominal area
    - chemical analysis of 'moon' wenslydale
    - a police box
  • by httpamphibio.us ( 579491 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:29PM (#4776881)
    When I was a kid I overheard my dad talking about how my mom was applying for citizenship because she was an alien. Of course when I heard "alien" I assumed the outer space kind (or as I said back then, "out of space") because I had no knowledge of the foreign kind. The next day at school I told everyone I knew that she was an alien, it went over quite well. :)
  • by mtec ( 572168 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:31PM (#4776885)
    but were successfully repelled by the local cuisine.
    • The British don't eat British cuisine(s) any more...or at least the infamous parts of it. They're too busy munching curry ... :)
    • Hmm... I'm a Scot, and let me see what we have:

      Deep fried Mars Bars; haggis (which really IS a sheep stomach filled with horrible bits of sheep and not, as I delight in telling tourists, a small fluffy animal); porridge with salt and Tunnock's Teacakes.

      Beam me up, Scotty. And if you insist on bringing the haggis, make sure it's already out of the sheep this time!

      -Mark
    • So they went to the states and after three weeks were unable to leave as the saucer couldn't carry the extra weight. You've got to love the American approach to cookery: "We can't make it better, so let's just make it bigger!". Same with the cars I suppose :-).

  • by jki ( 624756 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:32PM (#4776892) Homepage
    Are their servers going to be able to handle the load?

    Finally this is NOT not off-topic :) Here's an analysis of the slashdot effect [openchallenge.org]. In the UFO files case, I believe the effect will be tens of times powerful in terms of distinct visitors than the case I analyzed and hundreds of times stronger in sense of data transferred, as they are probably going to serve fat media. I believe they will go down.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 28, 2002 @04:35PM (#4776903)
    From, http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ ldhansrd/vo981217/text/81217w03.htm:

    The Minister of State, Ministry of Defence (Lord Gilbert): Thirty-eight files are held at the Public Record Office for release under the terms of the Public Records Acts 1958 and 1967, the 30-year rule applying:

    AIR 2/18564 & 18565 UFO Reports--due for release 2002.

    AIR 20/12067, 12297 to 12306 Unidentified flying objects-due for release 2001.

    AIR 20/12399 to 12411 UFO reports--due for release 2003.

    AIR 20/12544 to 12555 UFO reports--due for release 2004.

    BJ 5/311 UFO: Met aspects--due for release 2001

    Four files are held by the MoD records management branch pending acceptance and transfer to the PRO, PRO references and transfer arrangements awaiting confirmation:

    AF/7463/72 UFO reports--provisionally assigned to PRO reference AIR 2/18831 for release in 2003.

    AF/7464/72 UFO reports--provisionally assigned to PRO reference AIR 2/18872 for release in 2004.

    AF/7464/72 Pt. II UFO reports--provisionally assigned to PRO reference AIR 2/18873 for release in 2005.

    AF/7464/72 Pt. III UFO reports--provisionally assigned to PRO reference AIR 2/18874 for release in 2006.

    In the absence of a thematic index of files stored in MoD's archives the identification of files has, of necessity, been limited to those created by the Air Staff Secretariat and predecessor branches. The following files have been identified and are earmarked for review by MoD at future dates, at which point they will be assessed for their suitability for preservation at the PRO. It is possible that some files created by other Headquarters divisions or establishments may contain papers on this topic. These could only be identified at disproportionate cost:

    AF/S4f(A)/422--one file--UFOs, BBC Radio Oxford Programme.

    AF/S4f(Air) U/506--one file--Statistical Analyses of UFOs.

    AF/3459/75--one file--UFOs: Policy and Policy statements--1970.

    AF/584 to 595--12 files--UFO reports.

    AF/596 to 602--seven files--UFO reports.

    AF/447--one file--UFO reports.

    AF/607 & 608--two files--UFO reports.

    AF/610 to 613--four files--UFO reports.

    AF/616 to 619--four files--UFO reports.

    AF/419--one file--BBC 2, Man Alive Programme: UFOs.

    17 Dec 1998 : Column WA178

    D/DS8/75/2/1--six parts--UFO reports, correspondence.

    D/DS9/75/2/2--12 parts--UFO correspondence.

    D/DS8/75/2/3--six parts--UFO reports, edited copies.

    D/DS8/75/2/4--three parts--UFO reports.

    D/DS8/75/2/5--two parts--UFO reports.

    D/DS8/75/3--one part--UFO, Parliamentary Correspondence.

    D/DS8/75/6--one part--UFO, TV discussion.

    D/DS8/75/7--one part--UFO, satellite debris.

    D/DS8/10/209--seven parts--UFO briefs, reports and correspondence.

    D/DS8/10/209/1--three parts--general briefs, reports, UFO correspondence
  • Okay, so I read the Colonel Halt (love the name) transcript, looked at the photos, looked at the interviews and . . .
    What a pile of self-deluding baloney!
    Read the transcript. None of those guys knew how to use their gear, they couldn't even find enough flashlights, they didn't know the territory. I wouldn't trust those guys to tell me how many buttons were on their shirtfronts.
    Stuff hovering over Mexico City? Maybe.
    Weird sh*t at Roswell (even beyond it's being a military test site)? Yes, something seriously hinky was going on.
    Pilots saying that there's a lot in the sky that looks UFO-ish to them? I'm not in a position to judge.
    But this thing? Yeah, right. I'll trade ya my secret decoder ring for your deed to the Brooklyn Bridge and then we'll go investigate.

    Posting while I eat, like a true obsessive /.er,
    Rustin
  • by Beautyon ( 214567 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:31PM (#4777073) Homepage
    Because we already have everything we need out in the open:

    NUFORC [nuforc.org] has many reports of high strangeness and high quality.

    UFOSkeptic [ufoskeptic.org] a must read for all "science types", written by Dr. Bernard Haisch.

    Science Logic and the UFO debate [archive.org]. Once you read this, you will have no doubts left.

    And finally, all the arguments of the skeptics were completely demolised single handedly by a man called Brian Zeiler [google.com] on USENET circa 1996. Essential reading, if you have the patience.

    Essentially, the arguments about this subject are over. The interesting discussion is centered around what is to be done about this problem... if anything.
    • UFOSkeptic [ufoskeptic.org] a must read for all "science types", written by Dr. Bernard Haisch.

      I'm afraid I'm not terribly impressed with this site. After reading through these documents, it became clear that Dr. Haisch has a habit of jumping to the most favourable possible conclusion given incomplete evidence (as opposed to saying "the evidence is incomplete; here are the options and we don't know which is true").

      The most thought-provoking case of this was his discussion of Fermi's Paradox. The paradox is that observations to date suggest that there are a very large number of worlds in the galaxy hospitable to intelligent water-based life, and yet we see no evidence of it and none of it has provably come to visit. Dr. Haisch notes that this either means that colonizing civilizations don't last long, or that aliens _do_ come to visit, and immediately concludes the latter. If anything, the lack of strong evidence of visitation or beacons or the like suggests that the former case is the more probable.

      As a side note, the implications of this chain of reasoning are fascinating to consider. Either civilizations almost inevitably eradicate themselves, or they almost inevitably become permanently introverted, or they almost inevitably move somewhere else (either a virtual world, a la "Calculating God", or another universe (a la the Sublimed Elders from the "Culture" novels). Another option is that even under favourable conditions, sapient life, or perhaps complex life of any form, is extremely rare. Yet another option is that there is some other factor affecting habitability of worlds that we haven't found yet that eliminates most from consideration.

      Whatever the case, there is by no means convincing evidence for the conclusion that aliens must be visiting us. Yet, the whole site is filled with jumps of logic like that.
  • I knew it (Score:2, Funny)

    by WildBeast ( 189336 )
    That's why they want to invade Iraq. Saddam Hussein is an alien.
  • by TrevorB ( 57780 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:39PM (#4777107) Homepage
    Bored on a sunny day? Get a huge tank of helium, and about a thousand oblong silver balloons.

    Then drive around following them, pointing "What's THAT?!!".

    Great fun.
  • coincidence? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rgarcia ( 319304 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:41PM (#4777120)
    Hmm. Just as CNN reports: NORAD investigates vapor trail over Caribbean, Midwest [cnn.com]
    Coincidence? Conspiracy? Preparation for the invasion? Too much time on our hands?
    Probably the last.
  • Come On People... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:44PM (#4777127) Homepage Journal
    You spend thousands of years on your civilization until you develop faster than light travel and you do what with it? Find some backwater in the middle of essentially infinite space and stop by there to give people anal probes? This mudball doesn't even have decent glorp, for God's sake! Any "real" UFOs are far more likely to be Lockheed Martin's next experimental aircraft. Even the bit about the anal probes could be experimntal government weapons testing -- we could be planning an assault against some macho society terrified of having stuff put up their butts. Or something.
    • What do you think humans would do if we developed faster-than-light travel? Do you think any life we attempt to study would say the same thing about us? "Why come to planet Blearth? We're just some rinky-dink planet in the middle of nowhere!"
    • Change 'Faster than light' to 'trans-oceanic' and 'aliens' to 'British' and you've pretty much got the British Colonial period.

    • by Cyno01 ( 573917 )
      We travel to remote rain forests and the middle of the ocean and abduct, probe, tag and realease other animals. Why wouldn't some other civilization be doing that on a larger scale. Granted aliens do always abduct guys with mullets in pickup trucks, but who knows if we're catching and releasing trailer trash whales.
    • Re:Come On People... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by sheetsda ( 230887 )
      You spend thousands of years on your civilization until you develop faster than light travel and you do what with it? Find some backwater in the middle of essentially infinite space and stop by there to give people anal probes? This mudball doesn't even have decent glorp, for God's sake!

      That isn't the half of it. There was a very good article on Scientific American some time ago that appears to have been taken down(Google cache) [216.239.39.100]. It was entitled "Where Are They?" by Ian Crawford, and it addressed some possible solutions to the Fermi Paradox (Basically stated, its: if there are aliens, why haven't we been able to detect them?) Any civilization with suffient will and technology could colonize the entire galaxy in a cosmic blink of an eye, so why haven't we seen them yet? Quite an interesting read.
    • Eventually a race discovers a way to travel through time. It then goes back in time to see what it was really like and perhaps to effect the future in some precise and measured way.

      Much more likely then some random alien race discovering our lonely planet and also explains the humanoid shapes.
  • Hessdalen (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Openadvocate ( 573093 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @05:51PM (#4777152)
    You should check out http://www.hessdalen.org/ [hessdalen.org] where they have an automatic measurement station. There have been many sightings of lights. So they have a Sun box controlling some cameras, taking pictures etc,,,, well look for yourself.
    Even if you are not info spooky lights, it is still an interesting project from a technical perspective.
  • by Sarin ( 112173 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @06:14PM (#4777239) Homepage Journal
    if the ufo aliens post their story about earth on the intergalactic equivalent of slashdot, will earth be slashdotted by hundreds of millions of ufo's?
  • cool (Score:4, Insightful)

    by zogger ( 617870 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @06:29PM (#4777314) Homepage Journal
    --glad to see the brits *maybe* releasing some info. will remain to be seen how hokey or how real it is. Spain and some other nations have released a little as well.

    Link url to blackvault, the largest UFO site on the web, among other things contains thousands of US freedom of information act documents, and yes, there's a boatload of redacted out content, as in "nothing to see here, we just blacked this out because... uhhh... ya see.. I mean..., well because we can!" This site is BIG, well done, and thorough, I recommend it to serious researchers and enthusiasts AND skeptics.

    http://www.bvalphaserver.com/

    the Black Vault [bvalphaserver.com]

    The web master started this site I *think* when he was 16, I've been visiting off and on for years.

    Here's my disclaimer. Some of ya'all might have noted my frequent reference to "government" as more or less a pack of liars. One of the two primary reasons (initially that is) I have held this position most of my life is because of "ufos". when I was a teenager some friends and I saw one very close up, very close. Nope, no drugs or booze involved to dispel any trolling. It was not swamp gas, nmoon on a ducks back, some helicopter, or any other explanation other than -no explanation. Some seriously advanced flying "something'. To describe it , it was a large glowing oval shaped whatever, it flew down the block just above the houses, stopped over a house closeby, hung out, then slowly went down the block, toward the end it started to climb then WHAM took off like mach bignumber and was gone. Tell ya whut you just do NOT forget things like this. So, I start reading about UFOs,and I notice the government more or less says they don't exist except as various lame reasons. Well, too bad, 'cuz I know this is a whopper. Score one for destroying a yong man's trust in government, already shaken by the kennedy whack, then oswalds rubout which was obvious to anyone with an iq above 50 as "eliminating some embarassing evidence".

    government=liars when it comes to certain things. This is IMO of course, but in the decades since I have seen no evidence to persuade me otherwise, in fact,I'd say the evidence FOR ufo's as being something "other" is better than for "honesty in government".

    Exactly what they are, no idea, demons to secret nazi craft, time travellers to interstellar visitors, angels to secret gov blackops-no idea, none. I tend to more think the correct answer is "all of the above".

    • Re:cool (Score:4, Insightful)

      by geek ( 5680 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @07:06PM (#4777445)
      " Exactly what they are, no idea, demons to secret nazi craft, time travellers to interstellar visitors, angels to secret gov blackops-no idea, none. I tend to more think the correct answer is "all of the above"."

      Or it's none of the above and YOU'RE the liar. I trust elected officials with college educations and clean background checks with top level security clearance a lot more than 16 year old kids running websites.

      No offense, maybe you are right, maybe they are right, maybe I am wrong. I know it doesn't matter since you can't prove any of it. When you can I'll eat my words.
      • check out his link, those freedom of information act documents come from government. Read them yourself.

        It's really just dismally hard to even describe with text what seeing a UFO does to you, I've tried several times and failed. It is in the classical sense "awe"some, it's just overwhelming. I distinctly remember all the hairs on my neck going up, it was that shocking and that much a sense of amazement and wonder. Imagine a split second where you experience every possible emotion, it's something like that.

        It is OK for you to be skeptical, this is your right. If you ever see one, you'll change your mind. That's about it. In a way-this is funny but true-here's an analogy. It's not perfect but it's good enough. Seing a UFO then trying to describe it,is like trying to explain sex to a virgin, no amount of words are the same as the experience.
  • Technology (Score:3, Funny)

    by Citizen of Earth ( 569446 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @07:21PM (#4777507)
    Are their servers going to be able to handle the load?

    Of course. They all run on advanced alien technology.
  • by enos ( 627034 ) on Thursday November 28, 2002 @08:37PM (#4777708)
    The second they release their files, people are going to be reporting sightings of strange lights from where the server room used to be...
  • ...none of the target audience of these documents will ever believe them for a second.
  • Anyone else hear more about this? CNN [cnn.com] has a story about an unidentified contrail being investigated by NORAD. Didn't know they tracked these things -and how does one tell one is special? Was it glowing green or something?
  • by fuzza ( 137953 ) <andrew.fureyNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday November 28, 2002 @10:13PM (#4778001)

    ... the documentary book entitled The Philadelphia Experiment?

    No, I'm not talking about the movie (well I guess I am sort of), but this was a documentary on possible US Navy research into invisibility, just as in the movie.

    Most of the book is about that (I think; I haven't read it all yet), but in line with the "government conspiracy" angle there was a very interesting UFO sighting and subsequent follow-on (or is that redundant?) .

    I might post it here tonight when I get back home if anyone's interested; it's about 2 pages, which from a typical novel is probably little enough for fair use.

    (Then again, maybe it's online somewhere...)

    • Well, I guess "Score 4, Interesting" means that someone's interested... just save some mod points for this post, OK? ;)

      This is taken from "The Philadelphia Experiment", Charles Berlitz and William Moore, pp173-7. The story is told in the book as being one- and two-levels removed, so there are a lot of extra names in here which I'm snipping. The gist of the actual UFO story is as follows...

      (It looks like this is reported elsewhere online, but not in this level of detail.)


      Late in the evening on Tuesday October 7, 1975, Robert Suffern, a twenty-seven-year-old carpenter from rural Bracebridge, Ontario, received a call from his sister, who lives down the road, asking him to investigate a strange glow that seemed to be coming from a nearby barn. Suffern drove to the barn, took a quick look around, and not seeing anything out of the ordinary, was proceeding to his sister's house when he was startled to see a darkened saucer-shaped object about 12 to 14 feet in diameter squatting on the gravelled road directly ahead of him.

      `I was scared,' he later recounted to a Toronto Sun reporter. `It was right there in front of me with no lights and no signs of life.' His car hadn't quite come to a full stop, he said, when the object `went straight up in the air and out of sight.'

      According to Suffern's story, he had no sooner managed to turn his car around and head for home when a strange, 4-foot-tall humanlike creature with `very wide shoulders which were out of proportion to his body' and wearing a silver-grey suit and a globe-type helmet walked out into the road right in front of his car. Suffern slammed on the brakes, skidding on the loose gravel, and came within inches of colliding with the creature, who promptly dodged out of the way, ran to the side of the road, jumped a fence, and disappeared into a field. According to the account Suffern gave to the Sun reporter, when the figure `got to the fence, he put his hands on a post and went over it with no effort at all. It was like he was weightless.'

      Badly shaken by this encounter, Suffern finally succeeded in driving home, only to discover when he looked out the window of his house that the UFO had returned, this time flying slowly close over the road. At that moment, it flew around an electric pole and again disappeared, seemingly going straight up into the night sky.

      Neither relatives, close friends, nor the reporters, investigators, and plain curious who descended on his farmhouse over the next several weeks could dislodge him from his story.

      `I know what I saw,' he said. `But I don't care if I ever see that creature again.'


      Of course, if the story ended at this point, it would be nothing more than another addition to an every growing list of mysterious and difficult-to-verify close-encounter cases in recent years. But there was more...


      On December 12, 1975, after the Sufferns were beginning to feel some semblance of order again (their farm was literally swamped for weeks by roving bands of curiosity seekers) three men were delivered to their home in an Ontario Provincial Police cruiser. The appointment had been pre-arranged in November. These officials arrived in full uniform, bearing impressive credentials and representing themselves as the TOP BRASS from the Canadian Forces in Ottawa, the United States Air Force, Pentagon, and from the Office of Naval Intelligence. Suffern, previously perturbed about the nature of his UFO encounter, claimed that ALL his questions were answered POINT BLANK and with NO HESITATIONS by these three helpful gentlemen. They `opened the books' to him and gave him the answers to the WHERE FROM, the What and the Why. They implied that the U.S. and Canadian governments have known all about UFOs since 1943 and have in fact been cooperating with the ALIENS in some unknown capacity since then!

      As if this wasn't enough to swallow in one gulp, the military `know-it-alls' threw us yet another curve when they made a formal APOLOGY [to Suffern] for the unfortunate incident of Oct. 7. They claimed it was a MISTAKE!! To which Suffern immediately thought out loud that it must have been a supersecret military craft. No, they claimed. It was a malfunction in the saucer that brought the craft down, complete with aliens, on his property. Mrs Suffern found all this quite impossible to accept, but when she quizzed them, the officers actually came up with the exact time of the landing - to the minute - a small detail that only the Sufferns knew and had not conveyed to anyone. They have had three different UFO sightings over their property, only the last of which they reported, and again the times and dates were duly related to them by the knowledgeable trio. The enlightened agents, carrying a battery of books and data (complete with gun camera photos of UFO), again emphasized that the landing was an ACCIDENT and should not have occurred...

      ... Further along we learned that the military still refer to UFO occupants as `humanoids'. Contact was apparently made in 1943 (reputedly through an accident which occurred during a U.S. Naval experiment regarding radar invisibility) and now our forces are aware of the aliens' movements on this planet...

      ... Suffern adamantly insisted that all his questions about the craft and the occupant were answered `to his satisfaction' despite the fact that (many) civilian investigators have visited him and offered alternate hypotheses to clear up the mystery for him. Many came close but none answered him with the same `degree of accuracy'...

      The critical key to Suffern's encounter is the fact that he had a `near miss' car situation with a physical entity, dressed in a one-piece silver suit and short in stature. If contact indeed had taken place then there could have been serious repercussions, had he actually run the being down. This could account for the military's intervention and unusual frankness...


      The Sufferns remained firm in their statement that all three military personnel answered all their questions with uncanny precision and immediately. Suffern himself claims that he knows the identities of these three men and can prove that they were not imposters. He also denies he is bound by the Canadian Secrets Act and claims that his only motive for keeping the details secret is for the `moral reason' of simply wanting to keep his part of the bargain by complying with the `government's wishes' in this matter.


      So, folks, what do you make of that?

  • ho hum (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    [b]2008[/b]: Aliens land on Earth. People of all races give up their petty bickering and fighting among and with each other and unite together in harmony to fight off the hostile Aliens.

    [b]2010[/b]: The Aliens from outer space have been beaten. The few remaining aliens jump in their spaceships and take off, vowing never to return. All of humanity rejoices over their united victory.

    [b]2011[/b]: Most of humanity returns to their petty nature, choosing to bicker and find problems with those who look different, act different, etc. Humans fight humans again and the whole ball of dung starts rolling again.

If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?

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