FBI To Use Ad Banners to Find Criminals 244
PhuptDuck writes "Federal authorities are pursuing fugitive crime boss James 'Whitey' Bulger in cyber space under a first-of-its kind agreement announced Wednesday between the FBI and Web portal Terra-Lycos. With a presence in 42 countries and in 19 languages, Terra Lycos is known for the worldwide scope of its Web presence."
Punch the terrorist ... (Score:5, Funny)
"Criminal? Click here!" (Score:2, Funny)
Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:5, Interesting)
What's next, the government spamming us with wanted posters and ASCII pictures? Why don't they invest money in a medium which people actually pay attention to? See: Television Advertisements.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not just advertisements... actual SHOWS. "America's Most Wanted" already does this. They put criminals faces on TV and the general public can watch the show and be constantly on the lookout for the criminals. From time-to-time (from what I understand... I don't actually watch the show) they put the FBI most wanted list on the screen too. I believe they also have the top 10 most wanted on their website as well.
Television is a great medium to get this information out to the public! So is the internet. BUT, the good thing about TV is that if you don't want to watch it, you can turn it OFF. If they continue this activity with making deals with internet companies and put pop-ups/banners on everyone's screens, it just going to end up making a lot of people upset.
If you want to get the info out, just put up a website. Internet ads are not necessary.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
It's rather sad, really..
america's most wanted (Score:2)
i'm sure most watchers are just staying tuned after COPS and not thinking they are going to hunt down somebody, but i guess they have made the stories interesting enough for that show to last 15 years or however long it has been on.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2, Funny)
I couldn't find any Osama Ascii Art on google. Damn! Would have been a sure Karma getter.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:3, Insightful)
Most people are *not* like you or me.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:5, Funny)
"WHY ALL the CAPITALS?" [ppsa.com]
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
When I'm ranting, I usually *do* stress every other word.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Gee, how about the EM (Emphasis) tags?
Gee, how about the B(Bold) tags?
Gee, how about the I (Italics) tags?
Gee, how about the strong (Strong) tags?
Of course too many browsers display Emphasis and Italics the same, as well as Bold and Strong, but HTML should leave it to the browser to choose how to do it.
ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN ALL CAPS, EVEN *ASTERISKS*
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
anti-lameness: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
It's a bargain (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:It's a bargain (Score:2)
Disclaimer: No, I don't know if that happened. I'm just speculating out loud like 10K other Slashdot readers do.
Sure (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Hey, what if the girl from the X10 pop-up turns out to be a real-life terrorist? How will we know? And how will they advertise that one?
"Have you seen this girl? If not, buy one of these cameras and you might see MORE of her..."
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
television advertising actually seems to work and thus costs more than a can of Code Red
I have a bridge I am trying to seel that they can place a billboard on...
:P
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Thats because most ads are for crap products. If they advertised stuff you where interested in you'd look. I'd look at criminal wanted and missing people ads. Escpecially if a reward is offered. A few seconds of my time each day to help make the world a better place.
Re:Does anyone actually look at them? (Score:2)
Fugitive Serves Two Terms as Mayor of Small Town: Veganism and Lactose Intolerance to Blame
Ad Blocking (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ad Blocking (Score:5, Informative)
Example: Someone gets into a car accident and you decide to help him. You pull him out of the car and bandage his wounds. The bandage material used whas not sterile and he gets an infection that kills him. Good Samaritan law prevents his family from suing you.
IANAL, but I've never heard of any law that forces you to help someone.
Great Idea (Score:2, Interesting)
People all over the world use Lycos. No matter where someone is, there will probably be someone near by who uses the internet. By making it as easy to report to the FBI as clicking a button, they should get results. Since it's over the internet, the reporter may feel more anonymous sending in a report.
The downside would be false reports. There will probably be more false FBI criminal sitings then elvis sitings...
Attorneys and grammar (Score:5, Funny)
Why would someone who is wanted for 21 murders be bagging groceries?
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:5, Funny)
The local fast food places aren't hiring?
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:2)
Seriously though, who cares. The editor obviously didn't correct it since it is somewhat intelligible, so why should you?
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:4, Funny)
Everyone has to (Score:2)
Wonder if we could write this guy in on the NHL all star ballot
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:2, Funny)
Because it's easier than trying to get a job as a sys admin.
A better question (Score:2)
Attorneys and Hypocrisy (Score:2)
Re:Attorneys and grammar (Score:2)
Probably a cereal killer checking out new victims...
If this banner is flashing... (Score:5, Funny)
Web Bugs? (Score:3, Insightful)
No, of course the FBI wouldn't stoop this far. Homeland security is completely benevolent and the United States is not... despite all appearances... turning into a police state controlled by wealthy resource and media industries.
Re:Web Bugs? (Score:2, Insightful)
Shame on the people who modded you up. There are enough real issues to worry about with regards to our privacy, making up new ones based on badly edited Slashdot entires (try reading the article next time!) hurts more than it helps. Focus on the real problems, don't invent new ones!
In other news, being from Somerville, MA not too far from the Winter Hill area, (but now living in San Diego), I know exactly what Whitey Bulger looks like. Haven't seen him around, though!
Re:Web Bugs? (Score:2)
CLICK HERE (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:CLICK HERE (Score:2, Funny)
Are you sure?
Lycos should come out with a new game... (Score:3, Funny)
The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:4, Insightful)
It all makes sense.
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:2)
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:2)
Ben
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:2)
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:5, Informative)
I'm ignorant, who is this guy and why would finding him be too embarrasing?
James Bulger was the leader of the Boston mob for quite a few years and, at the same time, an FBI informant. However, as it turns out, he was running his FBI handlers rather than the other way around. In effect, the FBI kept Bulger out of jail while he murdered and extorted merrily along for years. His main handler, fomer FBI agent John Connolly was recently sentenced to 10 years in prison [usdoj.gov]. But plenty more FBI agents were involved. Futher complicating matters, James Bulger's brother-- William Bulger-- was the dictatorial ruler of the Massachusetts senate at the time and currently heads the state university system. In the last couple weeks, we've learned that William has been in touch with his fugitive brother and urged him NOT to turn himself in. William just recently took the 5th when forced to testify before Congress on the matter.
So this is a very messy case. Likely the FBI is using this initiative in part to dispel the notion that they don't really want to catch James Bulger for fear of further embarassment.
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The FBI doesn't want to find Bulger (Score:5, Informative)
Whitey started life as a thug in South Boston's Winter Hill Gang, an Irish organized crime ring. He agreed to turn informant for the FBI in exchange for protection from prosecution and other favors. The FBI agents charged with handling his case were both enamored of him; one of them had grown up in Southie idolizing him as a local hero, and the other was following his bosses lead.
Whitey largely provided information of dubious value to the FBI, but his handlers continued to hype him as the most valuable informant in the Boston FBI system. They protected him from prosecution numerous times, and in at least one case refused to give any kind of warning to a witness that Whitey and his associates later killed. Bulger was shielded from multiple murder investigations, as well as a number of associated crimes.
Most importantly, most of the information that Whitey gave the Feds regarded the Italian mafia that was operating in Boston's North End at the time. The FBI moved in and largely wiped out the Italian Mafia- giving Whitey's Winter Hill gang the opportunity to take over all of Boston's organized crime. Whitey then systematically eliminated his rivals in Southie, and effectively made himself underworld king of Boston- with the FBI doing a lot of his dirty work, thanks to helpful "tips" regarding criminals that he wanted out of his way.
Finally, one of the FBI agents assigned to the case had an attack of conscience, and the whole story began to emerge. Whitey bolted, and no one has been able to find him since. The past several years in Boston, not a day goes by that there isn't a story about Whitey; sightings from Maine to Mexico, and periodic excavations of isolated fields where victims of his spree are allegedly buried. The scandal tore the Boston FBI office to pieces, and was one of the biggest black eyes that the Feds have received in recent years
"...an Irish organized crime ring." (Score:4, Funny)
I think it will work. (Score:2)
I'll bet you WOULD notice and pay attention if a picture of someone you knew popped up in front of your face. Recognition would be instantaneous and unexpected. And a lot of people will be seeing these. Certainly a lot more than watch America's Most Wanted, or the notices at the post office. If I were this guy, I'd lie low 'til the banners stop.
Why Terra Lycos stopped expanding (Score:2)
Re:Why Terra Lycos stopped expanding (Score:2)
Re:Why Terra Lycos stopped expanding (Score:2)
hey, but wait... Maybe he is on to something:
With a presence in 42 countries and in 19 languages
Which is the point that every one else on this thread has missed: Lycos has a global reach. Yeah, sure, the feds have advertised in Boston and the States - but do you seriously think that Whitey would have remained around for someone to spot him on the street? Here in the UK, I have never heard of him (although I have heard of James Bulger, a british criminal of sorts) - Whitey could be my next door neighbour.
But next time I visit lycos (unklikely...), and I see the banner ad:
"America's most wanted: If you see this man
: -)
you could win a million dollars"
Then yeah, I might pay attention
Re:Why Terra Lycos stopped expanding (Score:2)
James Bulger? A criminal? Are you sure you're not terribly mistaken [guardian.co.uk]?
For non-UK readers, James Bulger was also the name of a two year old, murdered by two ten year olds in Bootle, Merseyside in 1993. The case was, understandably, front page news for a long time in the British press.
Re:Why Terra Lycos stopped expanding (Score:2)
thanks for clearing that up.....
was getting confused - thought he was one of the child murderers, not the murdered child!
And...? (Score:3)
Re:And...? (Score:2)
Does anyone still read banners?? (Score:2)
Perhaps the FBI should use the dude's mug shot as a
Mafia: Give us money or we send in guys to beat you up.
Government: Give us 28% of your income and do exactly as we say, or we send in guys to take you to jail, sieze all your property and assets, put your wife and children on the street, and then let guys in jail beat you up and gang rape you.
Hooray for crime bosses!
~Hammy
What kind of an HREF? (Score:2)
I_dunno_about_you
s/_/
Misleading headline (Score:5, Informative)
From the headline, I thought that the FBI was attempting to track criminals through the use of banner ads (i.e. use something embedded in the ads to track those who view them). Although it seems like a very hard thing to pull off - how would you track a criminal with the data you'd collect anyway?
And then I thought about the recent article Because Only Terrorists User 802.11 [slashdot.org] and got very worried about my ability to block popups via Mozilla or hosts.deny. I was afraid of the headline "Because Only Criminals and Terrorists Block Popup Ads to Avoid Detection".
Oh well, thank god the article clarified that. The article states that the FBI will basically putting up wanted posters as ads to help find the criminal they're after. That, I don't have a problem with.
Re:Misleading headline (Score:2)
Amen to that. I was already formulating my "Big Brother strikes again" response, until halfway through the article, I realized that it's no different from the handbills in the Post Office or "America's Most Wanted".
However, if you're suggesting that Slashdot editors create sensationalist headlines, that's hardly something new.
*braces self for loss of Karma due to this comment*
Re:Misleading headline (Score:3, Insightful)
That is all.
Re:Misleading headline (Score:2)
Oh well, thank god the article clarified that. The article states that the FBI will basically putting up wanted posters as ads to help find the criminal they're after. That, I don't have a problem with.
OK, next issue:
Because if you block [pop-up] banner ads, you are supporting terrorists.
On another note, I would think Terra Lycos would get a cut from the reward money if the guy is caught from a tip submitted through clicking one of the ads.
Re:Misleading headline (Score:2)
Right on, brother! Too many criminals are without internet access for something like that to work.
I'll turn him in on one condition (Score:2)
Sounds familiar.... (Score:5, Funny)
[Homer clicks on "No"]
Wiggum: You have chosen "No", meaning you've committed a crime, but don't want to confess. A paddy wagon is now speeding to your home.
Homer: Hey!!
Wiggum: While you wait, why not buy a police cap or T-shirt. [T-shirts and baseball caps with the SPD logo circle Wiggum's head] You have the right to remain fabulous!
Update to hosts file... (Score:2)
Uh oh! (Score:4, Funny)
Here it comes... 5 4 3 2 1...
Re:Uh oh! (Score:2)
ARGH!!! RTFA!! (Score:5, Informative)
1) The FBI is not using cookies to hunt down the suspect.
2) The FBI isn't paying for the banners.
3) Prof^H^H^H^H The "clerk" example in the article is *not* the suspect, but rather someone who might have seen the suspect.
Somehow, I think that G. Cooke, Tx [slashdot.org], would give this whole set of threads a very poor review...
Re:ARGH!!! RTFA!! (Score:2)
Of course not. Everryone knows that donuts work better. Mmmm, Donuts!
blocking banners: thief or hero? (Score:2)
The website owner might say theft, but if you block the ad that you wouldn't actually buy from anyways - aren't you saving money for the advertiser to advertise to somebody that might be interested?
I think this post's title should have been... (Score:5, Funny)
from the other-than-causing-epilepsy dept.
Bulgar takes the fifth (Score:4, Interesting)
The guy they're seeking, #10 on the most wanted list, and suspected of 21 murders, is the brother of the president of the University of Massachusetts, who just plead the 5th to keep his dear brother safe.
Bulgar takes the fifth [milforddailynews.com]
Great to see the head of an institute of learning take such a principled stand. Not.
Re:Bulgar takes the fifth (Score:2, Insightful)
It's his brother. Morals and ethics don't mean sh*t when you're talking about family. If you would rat out your own brother, regardless of his faults, then I certainly pity your family. No, I don't condone murder or harboring of criminals, but I have to say that I would make an exception to damn near any rule to protect someone in my bloodline. Must be the Sicilian in me acting up.
Re:Bulgar takes the fifth (Score:2)
Plenty of people DO rat out their family members.
The Unabomber was caught after The Feds decided to "negotiate with terrorists" i.e. publish his Manifesto in several major newspapers. Then his brother recognized the text as the same sort of stuff his crazy brother was always talking about, and quietly contacted the FBI.
More recently, the Smiley Face Bomber (my favorite bomber ever, BTW) was caught in part because his dad recongnized the phrase "mailboxes are exploding!" from a letter that his son had sent shortly before the mailboxes started exploding. Dad alerted the authorities.
I'm sure there are counter-examples, but blood ties are not always so strong. Some people hate their families, after all.
On to point #2, back to the grandparent. The Fifth Amendment is a good thing. It keeps you from being compelled to testify against yourself. The older method under English law, where you were crushed to death with huge weights (not sure if they said 16 Tons) if you refused to testify, will probably be used in those military tribunal things.
Re:Bulgar takes the fifth (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Bulgar takes the fifth (Score:2)
Why there's a Fifth Amendment in the US (Score:3, Informative)
American jurisprudence also has a bunch of 1960s practices like the Exclusionary Rule and the Miranda Warning which say that courts can't admit evidence that was acquired improperly, whether it was from beating prisoners until they confess, illegally searching homes without warrants, or getting warrants by lying to judges, or lying to prisoners about the law when they don't have lawyers to advise them. Again, it didn't totally eliminate abuses, but the traditional example for its effectiveness is that the year before the Exclusionary Rule, police in New York City didn't bother getting any search warrants - they just illegally searched anybody and any place they wanted to, while the year after the rule, they almost always got warrants when they needed them (even if they still lied about their evidence on occasion.)
Let's just hope (Score:2, Funny)
6'2", dark hair, enjoys dismembering small bunnies.
White noise, anyone? (Score:4, Interesting)
Given that Bulger looks like most other balding white men in their 50s, the FBI may get thousands of false leads now. I also feel sorry for American expatriates living in Latin America, who will be faced with having to "prove" they aren't a fugitive.
Bulger, if he's smart (which is probably is), would have radically altered his appearance so that he no longer resembles the wanted poster.
All a criminal investigator really can do is sit back, be patient, and wait for the criminal to make a mistake. If Bulger ever calls his brother or an old friend or girlfriend on Christmas, for example, he's busted.
This wanted poster thing smacks of desperation on the FBI's part, which I'm sorry to see.
Re:White noise, anyone? (Score:2, Insightful)
yay! (Score:2, Funny)
slutty_FBI_baby_2009ERJKAWJEKAIOSZ@yahoo.com
Please Cum and Help Arrest This Man
Hi, I'm Federal Agent Kitten, nearly illegal
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Too much signal noise = ignored signal (Score:2)
It seems to me that it would be more effective to display such things in a location that isn't ignored by so many people. The dumb ads I see at the top of the screen just make me ignore everything that I see there.
What if there were dedicated media/loci for this info? On our campus portal, we have a dedicated feed for important news (power outage, tornado coming, etc.) which is kept completely separate from more everyday SPAMish news. That way the noise doesn't drown out the signal, to further abuse my analogy.
FBI already has a website (Score:2, Interesting)
Obligatory Business Plan.. (Score:2)
2) Advertise services to underworld.
3) ????
4) Profit!
This is a Boston thing (Score:2)
Lycos is a Boston based company. Their offices are on Totten Pond Rd. in Waltham, MA [lycos.com], just outside of Boston.
So now it can officially be said (Score:2)
If you block web advertisements, you are a terrorist.
Why doesn't everyone combine forces? (Score:2)
FBI purchases $5 million worth of X10 wireless cams to use in the hunt for Whitey. This way, we see fewer Ads, X10 sells some cameras (other than for use as a wireless choo-choo cam), and the FBI comes closer to thinking they are gonna nab bulger.
Wow, I can just imagine these ads spreading from busting a mob leader to fighting terror. If they can't trick us into clicking, they will implicate us instead!!
"You're either with us, or against us. You're either clicking on Banner Ads, or you're clicking on terrorism. To block pop-ups is to block our crusade on evil"
This is familiar. (Score:3, Insightful)
Finally a good use for banners! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Finally a good use for banners! (Score:2)
Why not use the same idea to find missing children?
Well, it's not exactly a banner, but check out the redish button:
http://www.michigan.gov/fia [michigan.gov]
Where's Whitey? (Score:3, Insightful)
2. They'd have better luck putting posters in every Dunkin Donuts from Saugus to Ptown (the day he made the most wanted the gal at the Bourne DD's swore to us that he was in there that very morning)
3. The only one who could safely turn him in is his own brother (high profile, public figure) and he won't, so this really is a wild goose chase.
Re:Where's Whitey? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't think this will work as a general tool for crime fighting (America's Most Wanted will probably prove to be more successful for example) -- the point is, he most likely isn't in the United States. He's been seen in Mexico and South America. Wave a few million in reward money in US dollars and you will start to get some hits. Who knows. The criminal underworld down there my have to decide if they are more sympathetic to him than to some easy money selling him out.
Maybe they should (if it hasn't already happened) open a Dunkin' Donuts in Mexico City and see what happens... Just save me a Cruller, or is that El Crulleo?, for me.
More extreme uses (Score:2)
Then there's always Bigfoot, Nessie, et al.
So Now... (Score:2)
sorry.. (Score:2)
Re:Instead of spending money on this.... (Score:2, Informative)
Terra-Lycos spokesman Brian Payea said the company wasn't being paid for the service. ''We're committed to providing important services to our community and we feel it was a very worthwhile effort,'' he said.
Re:Scary conspiracy angle (Score:2)
Yeah, just like ignoring wanted posters and those "have you seen this child" mailings has been made illegal.
Re:BIG BROTHER again...... (Score:2)
Actually, you could be both!