Ancanar Teaser Trailer Available 135
Still Gainfully Unemployed writes "A teaser trailer for Ancanar, an indie Tolkien inspired fantasy film, has been released. Check it out. It's not a Tolkien story, but rather inspired by his works."
Ancanar has not the bandwidth of Tolkien (Score:5, Funny)
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Geez, the same thing happens to me every morning on the way to work. Why doesn't everyone take the bus so I can drive downtown in my SUV?
Re:Ancanar has not the bandwidth of Tolkien (Score:1)
"Hey Jason, we're flooded!"
Why? What the hell is going on?"
"Argh! Some slashdotter junkie posted it... Our server will be clogged for days! Weeks!"
Re:Ancanar has not the bandwidth of Tolkien (Score:1)
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Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:1)
Well...
Considering that The Two Towers is a book written by Tolkien, I think it will be a little less accurate...
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:2)
Thank God! Otherwise, the first two hours of the movie would have been even more boring.
Dinivin
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Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:1, Interesting)
If middle earth it were reality, there would have been much more detail than what was written. I think there's no choice but to extrapolate, or to keep the scenes unsatisfying.
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:4, Interesting)
It wasn't what was taken out, it's what was added.
I didn't mind surfer-dude Legolas, but the "Mr. Frodo, we shouldn't even be here!" line from Sam when they're taken to Osgiliath makes my wife and I chuckle each of the times we've seen Two Towers. And we missed the huorns taking out the orcs at Helm's Deep. The extra footage on the DVD for Fellowship says a lot of the changes they made there were to 'keep the ring moving towards Mordor', and I could apprecitate them. But in Two Towers, the side trip to Osgiliath / making Farimir into a Boromir clone in terms of ring-lust, and Aragorn's tumble over the cliff just made no sense to us.
But back on topic, I'm happy to see more fantasy films inspired by Tolkien's work. I just hope (as an earlier poster said) that it's not like Red Sonja or some of the other action-fantasy movies of the 70's and 80's.
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:2, Interesting)
I too was quite taken aback by Faramir's apparent boneheadedness. Later I did some reading, both Tolkien and forums, and found quite satisfactory explanation for the "changes".
To many people, including myself, Faramir was defined by single event and a quality shown in that event. He lets the ring go, thus he is wise, especially compared to Boromir. But that's not the whole story, he is also captain of Gondor and a shrewd interrogator. Further, his relationship with his father is strained. Read the book, those things are in there, At points, early in his interrogation of Frodo, Faramir is actually quite un-symphatetic.
Faramir of the movie is actually closer to Faramir of the book than Faramir in my memory was. I think this is true for many people. Faramir is the good guy, and his darker side, or character development, is forgotten. In the movie Faramir is left half-done, his story and development has just begun (see ROTK for the end
It isn't so much changing Faramir's character than it is changing the details of the plot. In the movie Faramir doesn't try to take the ring for himself, he tries to please his father, but in the end he sees that ringbearer must be allowed to go to Mordor. That's not out-of-character for Faramir described in the book. Side-trip to Osgiliath is a detail of the plot and it remains to be seen how that change is spinned in ROTK. What is the importance of Nazgul seeing Frodo (the Ring?) in Osgiliath? It's not in the book but might be used to justify something in ROTK, like the whole Sauron's ill-judged (too hasty) offense on Gondor.
Aragorn goes of the cliff because
1) somebody has to and
2) he is about to get a second flash-back.
It's a pretty good fight with the worg-riders, but it would be (mostly) pointless unless it has impact to the story/movie in the whole. If nobody important gets hurt then the fight is meaningless (ok, there are other ways to have meaningful fights but that's not the point). Aragorn has already had a flash-back. Hearing little voices in your head are you, schizo? Ok, it wouldn't actually be that bad, but being knocked-out is always a good excuse for a flash-back.Also, Aragorn going MIA and then coming back, lets Eowyn do those wonderful looks. You know, all that heavy breathing is now expression and not just asthma.
--Flam
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:1)
Got the nail on the head, there! The worg-rider fight is meaningless. Having a character falling off a cliff and surviving is so ridiculously cliched that even the filmmakers didn't take it seriously -- compare the treatment of that scene to Gandalf's. (Using the same device twice was a serious mistake, especially when the execution was less cliched the first time.) The fact that "being knocked out is always a good excuse for a flashback" is exactly why a good author won't use it casually... but then, no one's claimed that the scriptwriters for the movie were good authors.
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:2)
Faramir never, even after seeing it, makes a personal grab for the ring, as he would if overcome by it. I think they just felt that with the screen time given, for him to see it (something they have shown repeatedly is very seductive) and then turn it down, is unreasonable. Even in the book this action is taken only after a fair bit of time. His decision was to take the hobbits, leaving them with the object - a very smart move if he even guessed at it's seductive power, and take them home where a better decision could be made. It's not until he realizes the urgency of the situation, and how ultimately important the ring is to the dark lord, via the (overdone) nazgul scene, that he decides he needs to make an immediate decision.
And really, to say that Faramir was immune to the call of the ring in the book is a little misguided. He never handled it, or had it offered to him. He was smart enough to know to stay away from it, but that doesn't imply he could have turned it down. He also had the benefit of knowing Boromir was dead, and that he had to be more careful now.
The battle scenes were my peeve with the movie. Particularly Aragorn going over the edge. Also, the split-second timing saving Aragorn (and Helm's Deep) from the hordes of Orcs by Gandalf. But, I realize that this last bit is in the book and it's pretty much standard, nobody believes you can have tension without everything coming down to the last second.
Snowboarding (Score:2)
As a friend pointed out, Petrarch wrote about germanic tribes surfing/sledding on their shields (naked!) down snowy embankments into battle -- that was 2000 years ago. So shield-surfing is a pretty old idea.
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:3, Funny)
Ha ha ha! You think that would suffice?
If they did that, there'd be violent protests that the text was not the right version...
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:1)
An "movie adaptation" would be rewriting the book into a movie form. NOT basterdizing the story by moving things, adding and deleting things. By dumbing down stories and adding things such as comic relief every minute or so you make dumb movies. (dumb in the sense that the film is dumb and watching the movie seems to make you dumber)
That said I did see
- The Two Towers
opening day and I have read Tolkien's books. I own the- Fellowship of the Ring
on DVD and I will most likely get the other two when they come out. They are great as eye candy movies, they look neat. Certain elements of the book really come alive and as a companion to the book, but if I never read the book, I'd think it was a funny love story, something it's not.-Chris
Re:Based on the works of Tolkien (Score:1)
Woah. I thought the movie was based on the book.
Tolkei n inspired ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Doesn't that describe the vast majority of fantasy novels ?
Re:Tolkei n inspired ? (Score:3, Insightful)
The Dogma [imdb.com] movie was probably, somehow, inspired by the bible. Yet I know plenty of church-going people that just don;t like it.
I wonder how many Tolkien lovers are gonna hate it becuse it ain't Tolkien.
Re:Tolkein inspired ? (Score:1)
Church isnt really a bad thing, but it is wherever any gather in his name..sorry, off on a tagent...back to the topic, dogma.
I think it's a great satire piece on religion (especially Catholicism)and is something funny. As far as Catholicism goes, I think the movie really shows the fallacies of not only that religion, but pretty much organized religion in general. Now, I'm not saying organized religion is a bad thing, as it does bring people together for a common good (for the most part) but it is subject to being something percieved by humans from a literary work that was written from a human standpoint. As anything else, it's open to interpretation, and yes, a lot of things in the bible can be bent in many many ways - My favorite being that God gave man all plants bearing seed (save the apple), for which they could use.
Ok, I'm way off topic now....
so go ahead and laugh..it's ok, honest! im sure God isn't going to smite you due to your finding humor in something just because it's a spoof on something sacred.
PS: I'm not trolling I swear...I guess the combination of my tendancy
Some A LOT more than others. (Score:2)
Sword of Shannara.
It's about a humble farmer dude who is told to leave his home by a great and powerful old wizard so that he can fulfill his destiny of destroying an evil phantom-like wizard, something which can only be done with the help of a magical artifact (this case it's a sword, not a ring).
Other intersting points in the story:
the king of one group of people is having his judgement clouded by a wicked chancellor who is actually working for the evil one. This is undone by the heroes, and the king helps defend against the onslaught of the army of evil orcs.
That army of orcs almost breaks through the inner part of the castle by going through the only available opening: the sewers. They know about this because the chancellor escaped and told them.
The epic battle to seize the castle encompasses four waves - three inner battlements are conquered, and a fourth when the orcs are defeated by a reenforcement force
Sound familiar? 'Cause I had to keep checking the title to make sure I wasn't reading Two Towers.
Re:Some A LOT more than others. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, not like that particular story element goes back to the Bible or Homer or anything.
Re:Some A LOT more than others. (Score:1)
Re:Some A LOT more than others. (Score:1)
Having said that, most fantasy books these days are weak. Most are also too long. Lord of the Rings is as long as any story needs to be.
Re:Some A LOT more than others. (Score:2)
Try
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/04514581
The Iron Tower: The Dark Tide/Shadows of Doom/the Darkest Day
by Dennis L. McKiernan
These books so closely parallel LotR it's not even funny - even having short people as part of the main story, a watcher in the water right before they go into some forgotten underworld, etc...
In his defense, he does say in the preface how he loves LotR and wrote these because he couldn't find any other epic fantasy like it. While they are decent books, he could have not copied it so closely.
"After the King" (Score:4, Interesting)
is a collection of short stories, all inspired by Tolkien and written to honor him. Some major fantasy/SF authors participated. One of the stories even has Bilbo make an uncredited cameo. I highly recommend it.
Re:Tolkei n inspired ? (Score:1)
I know nothing of Anacar... (Score:3, Interesting)
Hopefully this round will be better then "Conan" & "Heavy Metal" clones like "Beastmaster", "Red Sonja", etc. from the 70's and 80's
This looks like a lower budget movie, which should be entertaining.
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My God, I HOPE your right! If LofR is the FIRST of a series of trend movies, and will follow the 80's trend movies, we know better are in the works!
Say what you will, but I happened to enjoy some of those films. I thought "Rock and Rule" was way cooler than Heavy Metal (and Rock and Rule had Iggy Pop and Lou Reed, how can that be WORSE than Heavy Metal).
Conan inspired The Beastmaster? Well, honestly, I thought they both sort of sucked. But, Conan the Barbarian was out in 1982, and Conan the Destroyer was out in 1984. The Beastmaster was released in 1982. How can you believe that they put out Conan the Barbarian, and immediately went "good idea" and put out "The Beastmaster" the same year, with better production, a deeper story, better polished, as a "copy cat" THAT CAME OUT A COUPLE MONTHS LATER? Sad 80's referances there...
Sad part is, LotR isn't the trend setter. Harry Potter is the "Conan" of the 2000's. And LotR's is the "BeastMaster" of the 2000's. I'm sorry, I want to hope for better too, but I just don't think it will happen.
Re:I know nothing of Anacar... (Score:2)
Conan was published before Lord of the Rings!!! Sheesh - this is like the third time I've had to jump into a Slashdot discussion because people don't know their golden age SF. Phoenix on the Sword, the first Conan story was written by Robert Howard in Wierd Tales in 1932. In the next several years, he wrote seventeen more. The Hobbit didn't appear in print until 1937, and the Lord of the Rings didn't appear until 1954, over twenty years after Conan first appeared in Hyboria.
Note that this reply occurs here due to the following stuff, not directly as a response to this thread, but more as a response to the whole "Lord of the Rings inspired every other fantasy work" theme that pervades replies to this article.
Rock and Rule was great. Debbie Harry, Lou Reed and Iggy Pop set to nifty Bakshiish over the top animation. Fire and Ice had Frazetta doing the character design, which was even better, and was authentic Bakshi. And of course Wizards, a Bakshi classic.
--
Evan
Re:I know nothing of Anacar... (Score:2)
Well, this "copy cat" thing happens frequently. "A Bugs Life" and "Ants" came out at the same time, "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon"... and we're their two "Volcano appears in the middle of a metropolian area" movies at the same time (I never saw either).
A rumor leaks that "Studio A" is going to release a movie about $SUBJECT, so "Studio B" quickly produces a similar script also about $SUBJECT.
Download it... (Score:5, Informative)
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Or even better, a link that works (Score:2, Informative)
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Yeah... quite a bit has been inspired by Tolken... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Yeah... quite a bit has been inspired by Tolken (Score:1)
It's really unfortunate that an indie movie with such nice-looking production has such a crap-ass story. Apparently a guy is pissed off that the elves are immortal and he wants to go find them and burn their city down. Epic emotion that.
Re:Yeah... quite a bit has been inspired by Tolken (Score:2)
case in point - that ancanar movie linked above. looks like a high school production.
what sucks about that is, when it fails, studios etc think it failed because it's fantasy, not because *it sucked*.
-- james
What that audio plugin (Score:1)
Requested audio codec family [faad] (afm=faad) not available (enable it at compilation!)
Wtf is that faad?
Fantasy and Fantasier (Score:1, Funny)
In this one, Dorfo and Samdumb go frolicking west across Amerrycah in their K-Y delivery van, lubing their way from adventure to adventure in their quest to destroy the Wrinngius Unus which was stolen from the Great Lord Mauron after a battle in which Mauron was defeated by a band of singing barbers. The movie climaxes when, at a Mauron's resort in Misted Mountains of Kallorahdoe, Samdumb gets his tongue stuck to a conveniently-placed ski-lift, and in order to unstick him, Dorfo engages in rough butt love to heat him up.
The passionate Nhobbit Love opens up a HUGE CRACK in the earth, into which an alert but orgasmic Dorfo tosses the Wringius Unus, thereby destroying it and Mauron...
Celine Dion writes the title song, My Hardon Will Go On.
Re:Fantasy and Fantasier (Score:3, Funny)
Two Towers (Score:1)
Faithful doesn't sell tickets (Score:1)
Disney's Pinocchio 2.0 (2002) [imdb.com] starring Roberto Benigni is much more faithful to the novel [everything2.com] than Disney's Pinocchio 1.0 (1940) [imdb.com] was, but it got bad reviews and AFAIK didn't do that well at the box office. Fidelity to a classic literary work doesn't guarantee ticket sales; the movie must be adapted to the cultures that exist 95 years [pineight.com] later. It's possible to pull this off, but it's also possible to screw it up to hell as in The Time Machine (2002) [imdb.com].
Re:Two Towers (Score:2)
I've been trying to forget it for years, only to be reminded of it every time an LotR story shows up on slashdot.
Thanks a lot!!!
Re:Two Towers (Score:1)
There's a way...
You know, I think I learned that song from that cartoon even before I was old enough to know what LOTR was...
Re:Two Towers (Score:2)
It still sucked, but was nowhere NEAR as bad as The Disneyfied Hobbit movie. It actually had some redeeming qualities, like the flashback to Smeagol strangling his brother Deagol and taking the Ring - I keep waiting for that flashback to show up in the Peter Jackson films. If it doesn't happen in Return of the King that would suck - I was totally expecting it in The Two Towers after he called himself a murderer, but they left the obvious hook unexplained instead.
"Give us that ring, Deagol my love."
"Why, Smeagol?"
"Because it's my birthday, my love... and I wants it!"
Re:Two Towers (Score:2)
Funny thing is, you mention this on a tolkien newsgroup and they go nuts. They will go on about how it left out the old forest and Tom Bombadil - hey...so did PJ.
So they go on with the next best thing they can find, which is usually a dig about the animation styles. Or they will bitch about the Nazgul crying/screaming after they missed Frodo in Bree (oh wait..the PJ movie did the same thing.)
I still like it - though it is kinda hard to watch sometimes. Not as bad as the Return of the King movie.
Two Towers now showing at Slashdot... (Score:4, Funny)
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Didn't you mean
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Umm.... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Legal Issues? (Score:1, Insightful)
Irrespective of the legal issues, I don't think that a film like this does Tolkien much service or is particularly respectful of his wishes. Unlike, say, the Star Wars universe, Middle-Earth was very much the product of one man, and it was for him a very personal way of expressing some of his most deeply-felt beliefs. Considering that the vast majority of the Tolkien canon remains yet unfilmed (I would kill for a Beren and Luthien movie), the only real reason I can fathom for making a movie like this is to exploit the depth of Tolkien's universe without having to include its messages.
That being said, I may see this movie, and, if it is true to Tolkien's beliefs and tone, I may see it fit to like it. That, however, is unlikely; while I liked Jackson's FotR quite alot, I felt his TTT was unfaithful not only to the plot of Tolkien's work (which I can forgive), but to the messages as well. I don't want to sound like a snobby purist when I say that; it's just that all the talking (particularly by Faramir, Gandalf, and Treebeard) was the interesting part of TTT for me, not the fighting. I understand that many may feel differently.
Rob
Re:Legal Issues? (Score:2)
And speaking of stifling free speech, there's a whole bunch of Final Fantasy Fan Fiction that I keep submitting for a story, but it keeps being rejected.
Re:Legal Issues? (Score:1)
"That being said, I may see this movie, and, if it is true to Tolkien's beliefs and tone, I may see it fit to like it."
Which make you sound like a
I just love how many people are willing to condemn the works of others sight unseen. I was hoping at least one comment here would have come from someone who'd watched the trailer and given it some thought. Apparently not. Guess I'll have to go see before I pass judgement.
Re:Legal Issues? (Score:1)
Damn. There goes my idea for a Justice Friends [bcdb.com]-type show about Gimli and Legolas settling down into an apartment in Bree...
Re:It seems to depend. (Score:2)
They might try, but parody is completely legal. Or haven't you heard of Bored of the Rings? [amazon.com] The first paragraph pretty well sums up the tone of the whole book: Who can forget the song of Tim Benzedrine? Hilarious stuff - unless, of course, you think of Tolkien as God, and regard any mocking of his work as sacrilege.
Re:It seems to depend. (Score:2)
And my point was that Bored of the Rings is clearly quite contrary to Tolkien's message, and clearly exploitative - and yet, Tolkien's lawyers don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of shooting it down, because parody is completely legal.
Mirror of trailer (Score:2, Interesting)
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"Indie" films... (Score:1)
Oh wait, this is Slashdot, nevermind. That's like asking the editors to check for dupes! :)
Peter Jackson inspired not Tolkien (Score:2)
Afterall, if it didn't try to emulate the "look and feel" of LOTR it would just be another fantasy movie and probably never be posted on slashdot.
Re:Peter Jackson inspired not Tolkien (Score:1)
Dialog inspired by Yoda? (Score:1)
"...whilst you are granted life eternal!!"
And why do independent films always have ugly actors with weenie voices>