Napster Pre-Paid Cards 221
G4Outcast writes "According to this CNN Money article, Napster will be offering pre-paid cards costing $14.85 at several retail locations. I guess the iTunes gift certificate and allowance idea is catching on."
Dumb question (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Dumb question (Score:4, Insightful)
I have an interest, but not an overwhelming interest, in downloading free music. My priorities, however, are:
A) Be able to reasonably use the music I get (download to my work system, my notebook, my home desktop; burn CDs; listen on my iPod) and not feel as though I have to go "God damn this DRM!"
B) Get the music I want without having it bundled with crap (requires the ability to purchase songs rather than just albums);
C) Get a single song for a decent price ($.99 is reasonable; $3.49 for a CD of a single isn't);
D) Be able to get the song I want;
E) Be able to get the song I want easily;
F) Be able to get the song I want quickly
G) Reasonable sound quality (which is important, but given that my ears don't seem to have a problem with 128Kbit MP3s isn't really an issue)
Based on these priorities, FOR ME ITMS is a really, really good match. I've not yet felt hampered by its DRM (though admittedly, the first thing I do is burn a CD of my protected AACs and rip it); its prices are reasonable; downloads are wicked-fast; and one of these days I'll be able to access it from work though our password SOCKS proxy. I hope.
Here's an example of what I have to go through right now:
I wanted to get ATB's "Let You Go" yesterday. The first thing I tried was ITMS, but they have no tracks by him; so then I tried Kazaa, where there were three copies of the song, but all downloads were stuck at 'searching for more sources.' Finally, after a thirty minute search on the net I was able to find the MP3. Would I have paid $.99 to get this song from ITMS? In a heartbeat.
And that's why Kazaa is -- again, for me -- a backup to ITMS for any music I *really* like. I still use it for music I essentially get because it's free and wouldn't pay for, but that's less important to me. If I could get all my music from ITMS and could get only porn from Kazaa, I'd still be a happy camper (though with a few less mp3s on my hard drive).
Re:Dumb question (Score:2)
C) Get a single song for a decent price ($.99 is reasonable; $3.49 for a CD of a single isn't);
That would be free as in beer, right?
Answer (Score:2, Funny)
The Who's Greatest Hits: $9.99
War - Low Rider : $0.99
Getting Slapped with a $100,000 lawsuit by the RIAA for downloading from Kazzaa instead of Napster: Priceless
Re:Dumb question (Score:2)
Re:Dumb question (Score:2, Insightful)
I just think it's stupid for these companies to be trying to compete with each other when the REAL competition is Kazaa. That's what's going to be determining whether or not they can make a profit.
Re:Dumb question (Score:3, Funny)
coincedence? (Score:3, Interesting)
It's kind of odd how the stock prices are down for every company that is planning on selling these pre-paid napster cards.
Re:coincedence? (Score:2, Informative)
Hopefully Christmas will make these stocks rebound. My portfolio could use a Christmas present.
Re:coincedence? (Score:1, Insightful)
WTF? The DJIA is up over 2000 points [yahoo.com] since March.
Re:coincedence? (Score:1)
If you want to talk short term, it's up since Friday, when it took a punch to the belly from Thursday.
Re:coincedence? (Score:1)
Re:coincedence? (Score:1)
I think what we see here is Napster targeting a more widespread market market than Apple. Apple offers, at its core, an intergrated Personal Computing solution. When that solution started to include media & entertainment, they responded by slowly making DVD players basically standard across the line and introducing the iPod
The beginning of the end. (Score:5, Funny)
"A dollar! Why, you can get a song up to 20 minutes long for just NINETY-NINE cents! Just dial 10-10-NAP-STER!"
*bangs head on desk*
Re:The beginning of the end. (Score:1)
You mention Howie and Hulk and you leave out ... (Score:2)
Here's the problem with these paid services. (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, back when I used to check in more frequently a few months ago I rarely saw it that high. I tried some searches and it seems it's all more or less back where it was.
So, this shock and awe thing seems like a memory already. I mean what even happened to the first batch. As far as I can the majority settled for a few grand and then a whole bunch decided to fight. Well, where's the shock and awe in that? Obviously people are going to wait to see what happens in the courts. But in the mean time they're going to forget about it.
It would have been one thing if it started as a hundred suits followed by a thousand and then by ten thousand. That would have done something. But this 200 every two months is not all that shocking or awe worthy.
But of course that would also have provoked even more congressional attention. So either way they were fucked which is what evrybody said from the beginning and now it still seems to be true.
Settling (Score:3, Interesting)
I assume... (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, making and distributing these cards so widely is not an easy or cheap business...
In my personal case, I do have a credit card, but I am not interested in the service (yet), so I don't give a damn
Oh, I don't know (Score:2, Interesting)
I wouldn't be surprised if this is actually a more efficient way of selling their merchandise, since they don't have to give a cut of every tr
Re:Oh, I don't know (Score:2)
Wait, they could just use KazaaLite or Soulseek and forget having to crack it. Nevermind.
Re:Oh, I don't know (Score:2)
Re:Oh, I don't know (Score:2)
what the... (Score:1, Interesting)
Amazing (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple has proven what shareware authors have known for years: good service and convenience are more valuable than the data itself.
Now that there is a valid business model, everybody wants to be as cool as Apple.
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Amazing (Score:1)
Apple openly admits they make no profit from Itunes, and if they ever will it will be tiny.
Its just a marketing ploy to sell more IPODS (my 15 gig sitting on my desk, is the envey of everyone in the dorm)
70cents goes dirrect to the record company after a sale, the reset is split between the artist, and apple wich then has to pay for
1. marketing
2. bandwidth
3. Infastrcture
4. genral staff
pennies a transaction isn't enough to support such a buisness unless its on the s
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Not quite - 70 cents (or whatever the amount is) goes to the record company, and the record company pays the artist out of that. Apple doesn't pay artists directly (nor should they; that would be silly).
And speaking of credit card transactions, you forgot to mention that another piece of Apple's 30-cent share goes to Visa/Mastercard. Apple arranged a special deal with the credit card companies to ma
Re:Amazing (Score:3, Insightful)
Instant gratification. With a shopping cart, you can change your mind before checking out, particularly when you see the total amount of money you're about to spend. $0.99 at a time doesn't seem like as much money, so you're more likely to buy more. At least that's what Apple is hoping.
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Apple Zealots (Score:2)
Well, since it was Apple that made a deal with Xerox to use their GUI ideas and since it was Apple who first released those GUI concepts in a major commercial product then, yes it was Apple and not Xerox who popularized the GUI.
Re:Apple Zealots (Score:2)
Re:Apple Zealots (Score:2)
It is debatable as to if Microsoft popularized it or not. Certainly Microsoft has the most market share for a GUI but that doesn't mean they popularized it, it just means that they sold a higher percentage of systems with it.
It was Apple that first introduced GUI concepts to the "ordinary" person. Yes, the Xerox Alto was a groundbreaking computer but it was intended as a high-end workstation that wa
Re:Apple Zealots (Score:2)
No subscriptions, lenient DRM, a customized client integrated with an mp3 player (a more pleasant experience than using a web browser)...
Really one thing (Score:2)
The thing that makes the Apple Store "insanely great" if you will, is that it took the best features of everything else that was around and combined them into the best music store there is, or will be for some time by the looks of things. I've bought a lot of things there now, and even started buying whole CD's which I never thought I
They should have donation cards. (Score:1)
Re:They should have donation cards. (Score:2)
You're an idiot.
Expanded:
If you have ever lived as a waiter, delivery boy or member of any other profession where your income was largely based on tips, you'd know that tips are encouragement to suck up to people and treat them nice. This does not necessarily mean doing what you want to do, or acting in such a way that expresses your individuality. In short, tips encourage compliance and s
Re:Ad hominem...bad argument, check. (Score:2)
Correct me if I'm wrong... (Score:5, Funny)
Stock ratings (Score:1, Redundant)
Does anyone else find it amusing that all the companies offering these prepaid cards for sale have had hits on their stock prices? Sure, it's probably unrelated, but hey...
And what about the security of this scheme? Surely they have to have a way of authenticating the cards, or otherwise there's going to be a horde of duplicates flooding the market.
Re:Stock ratings (Score:2)
I assume they could be activated the same way I've seen phone cards activate after purchase. They are read by the credit card reader which calls home and says card number $FOO has been purchased for $BAR dollars.
Best Buy? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Best Buy? (Score:1)
Re:Best Buy? (Score:3, Insightful)
Because the card is good for any 15 singles you want, while the CD is good for one album with maybe one or two singles you want.
Re:Best Buy? (Score:3, Funny)
Take your pick.
Re:Best Buy? (Score:1)
Re:Best Buy? (Score:1)
Re:Best Buy? (Score:2, Informative)
Because you want to use Napster but don't have a credit card? More likely these will be used as gifts, though.
What are the chances you intend to buy every song on a CD? Instead, you'll probably buy 15 different songs from 15 different albums, like you suggested for com
Re:Best Buy? (Score:2)
Re:Best Buy? (Score:2)
Very true, but the story was about Best Buy, and Best Buy's prices tend to range around $15 on average last I checked.
Clever (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe this napster come back wont be a flop after all.
whatever (Score:1)
Even ditzes know iTunes has Napster by the short and curlies. However, I will withhold judgment until I see the new Napster in action....iTunes is gonna be tough to beat, though.
And in other news.... (Score:4, Funny)
Napster will be offering the public a new, improved failed business plan.
Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:5, Insightful)
If the new (hechem.. fake) Napster is selling songs for about the same price, how are they going to make enough money to stay in business?
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2)
I fear the Napster we all knew and loved is inexorably dead and gone.
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2)
If you consider all the promotion expenses, Apple has probably lost a lot of money when looking at the music service alone, but the ipod is a cash cow with a fat margin that makes up for ITMS. I'm sure way apple is looking at the ITMS in the short term is a way to sell ipods, in the long term it could be a hit, but the online music distribution industry is real young and inundated with failures.
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:3, Interesting)
That's what the parent post said. So the question remains: how is Napster et al going to be profitable, since they don't have the margin of an "iPod alike" to take to the bank? Especially since they presumably have to pay MSFT for their encoding technology, also. And, they have to compete with every other WMA enabled $.99 download music site.
Well, it could be that a) MSFT is giving a discount on their encoding tech, to get it established in the marketplace; but wait until it gets established. Then MS
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2)
From Boston.com:
So, they have 10 cents per song to pay for infras
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2)
Ah, good point. Well, maybe we're back to the good old days of selling at a loss and making it up on volume.
dotBomb 2 - Revenge of the MBA's!
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2)
Re:Where's Napster's Suger? (Score:2, Insightful)
iTunes is a win-win for the record companies: the RIAA collects high royalties now in order to try to cut into the store's profits, and t
Why would anyone pay? (Score:1)
Re:Why would anyone pay? (Score:2, Informative)
the songs are downloaded off their servers for
How do I know? I have the software and am using it right now, it runs directly inside Windows Media Player 9. i pre-ordered so I got 5 free songs.
catching up to the rest of the world... (Score:1)
brand awareness (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:brand awareness (Score:2)
The napster brand name will nab them in the short-run. But long term it will be their downfall for exactly the reasons you said. Of course, I'm certain many people will make plenty of money off of this before that happens.
Prepaid card show who the market is (Score:5, Insightful)
I think what we'll see next is a prepaid card that a lot of online retailers choose to accept. Oh wait, that's a check-card. Well, expect to see more teens with more check-cards in the future.
Re:Prepaid card show who the market is (Score:3, Informative)
-Graham
Napster on Mac (Score:2)
We'll see where this goe
Re:Napster on Mac (Score:2)
-Graham
Requirements (Score:5, Interesting)
And check this out from the Privacy Policy:
AUTOMATIC DATA COLLECTION
Napster Client. After you register for the Napster service, you will be prompted to download our Napster Client software application. In order to make sure the Napster Client is functioning at its best, from time to time we may send the Napster Client automatic fixes, support files, etc. Napster employs software that is used to protect the copyrights associated with the tracks you listen to or obtain. In order to make sure that artists and copyright owners receive applicable royalties, this software identifies and counts the songs you have obtained and/or accessed. At the aggregate level (i.e., not tied to the personally identifying information of any user), we use this data to report and pay royalties, for internal analysis and we share this data with certain Partners for their own analysis. We do not share your personally identifying usage data with any third parties. We may use your personally identifying usage data for a variety of service-related purposes.
From time to time, the security on the Napster Client software may be upgraded by our supplier, which is currently Microsoft. Microsoft advises us that for security upgrades, your player will connect to an Internet site operated by Microsoft and will be sent a security file, along with a unique identifier, which does not contain any personal information about you and is not used to personally identify you or track your activities. Microsoft uses this information to prevent security breaches that could affect you. For more information, please feel free to read Microsoft's privacy policy at http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windowsmedia/soft ware/v7/privacy.asp#_Security_Upgrade_(Individuali zation).
Further, when you access the service through a Partner and download the Napster Client, we will add certain of your registration information (such as your member name and, if applicable, the Partner or promotion through which you registered) to the registry settings on your computer's hard drive, so that we can recognize which of our Partners or other sign-in pages to send to you when you log on to the service.
Microsoft?? No wonder they were less than enthusiastic about iTunes for Windows.
Re:Requirements (Score:2)
It also looks like Napster could use a good copy editor. You'd think their legal department w
Re:Parlez-vous legalais? (Score:2)
I understand the use given in your link:
However this use just seems to be wrong:
Certain what of your registration information? It really should be more explicit. I believe that they meant:
They probably just didn't check it thoroughly enough, but it still looks u
Why credit iTunes? (Score:3, Insightful)
Gift certificates have been around for as long as I can remember. It's only natural for places of commerce to offer gift certificates nowdays. Why this is being credited to iTunes is rediculous. If a poster had said "Microsoft's gift certificate idea" I would have read 100 posts about it by now. I'd say it's pretty likely that using a gift certificate/allowance would have happened with, or with out iTunes.
Pre-Paid Cards - Other Companies? (Score:2)
I'm behind the times in online purchasing technology, does PayPal (or another company) offer pre-paid options like this? I'm assuming that many people don't buy online due to fear - this would limit financial risk to whatever amount is the limit on the card.
Re:Pre-Paid Cards - Other Companies? (Score:2)
Re:Pre-Paid Cards - Other Companies? (Score:2)
Sure, with CCs you have limited liability, but the paperwork hassle tends to be the problem. Someone else mentioned check cards, but again, those are linked to your bank account.
Get out of jail free card! (Score:4, Funny)
Just wait until SCO hears about this. (Score:3, Funny)
The SCO gift card could be the hottest item on the market this Christmas season.
When can I sell my songs through this thing? (Score:2)
Really, the old "who needs a recording industry" rule still applies in the age of DRM. Potentially we could all sell our music through the web site. Perhaps we could pay each other $1 to read poetry to each other. Now that's an economy!
Please MOD parent up. (Score:2)
Do you know of any sites that do the same for short stories?
Interesting Marketing (Score:5, Insightful)
Granted we are talking about ~1 dollar instead of ~15, but still this could definitely be a good business move for Napster.
Re:Interesting Marketing (Score:2, Interesting)
they either get given to Apple users (who can't use them), or the card gets lost or accidently thrown away.
and if nothing else it builds Brand Awareness.
I can see these being printed up and used as corporate schwag, given away at trade shows to be associated with any number of other products.
A one-song card could be stuck in a Cereal Box.
Re:Interesting Marketing (Score:2)
This happens quite a lot with the pay-as-you-go phonecards. An employee steals them and sells them half price, or gives them to his mates.
Pepsi Promotion (Score:2)
Aren't they giving away 100 million downloads [apple.com] as part of a Pepsi promotion? Sounds like bricks-and-mortar placement to me.
Legal Music Download Survey (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Legal Music Download Survey (Score:2)
I've bought/downloaded some songs from iTMS. I've downloaded a lot more than that from Gnutella. But now that I can get songs via iTMS, I go there first because it's so much easier than trying to find the right song by the right band at the right bitrate with the right metadata. With Apple's store, I know what quality to expect -- the on
Re:Legal Music Download Survey (Score:2)
Buy CD, rip MP3, repeat
Only the illegal stuff for me thanks...
DRM not compatible with my OS you insensitive clod
what a deal? (Score:3, Funny)
So your options are.
1 Buy music at store
2 Buy card to download same music you could have bought at store.
3 Buy beer and download music for free.
I could really use a drink.
Re:what a deal? (Score:2)
The ones who complain the most are the ones who are greedy. I'm not saying that this makes music theft right, but real musicians can see that pirating music can benefit them, and if they see this benefit, they will see their not losing anything.
What about quality control? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What about quality control? (Score:2)
YOU'RE A FUCKWIT (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:What about the Canadians? (Score:2)
Canadians pay a tax on recordable media like CD-Rs. That compensates the artists, so downloading is perfectly legal in Canada. You would have to be very dense to pay once for the media tax, and then pay AGAIN to download when the download is free and legal. And no one in Canda is dumb enough to
Re:What about the Canadians? (Score:2)
No (Score:2)
Actually, a correction. Apple did happen to market and mass produce the first consumer computer with a GUI, first with the Apple Lisa and then with the Apple Macintosh. The prior art before those two computers was the Star, I do believe, out of Xerox Parc, but which was a research project and not actually a product for sale.
Re:Are Mac Zealots (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Heh (Score:2, Informative)
2) Download 1000 tracks and add to playlist
3) Launch Roxio AudioCentral Sound Editor
4) Change recording source to 'wave' or 'stereo mix'
5) Disable all windows system sounds
6) Click record in Sound Editor
7) Click play in Napster
8) Come back 3 days later and stop recording in Sound Editor
9) Choose option to split tracks (based on gap of silence between tracks) in Roxio AC Sound Editor
10) Now save as MP3 files.
11) Rinse and rep
Probably some sort of crypto (Score:2)
You can have the algorithm. You can't have the key that Roxio uses with the algorithm to turn it into a valid card number.