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Penn State Students to Get Free Music From Napster 372

Mr. Show writes "Napster and Penn State have unveiled a deal to give faculty and students free access to music beginning next spring. The deal would give students only limited access to downloads, so presumably most of the free music will come through the streaming service that would otherwise cost a monthly fee. Will this help curb piracy on college campuses?" It might, except for students that don't run Windows.
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Penn State Students to Get Free Music From Napster

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:28PM (#7413318)
    At least in this case. The students (and taxpayers to a degree) will be paying for it as part of their tuition.
    • by nerotik ( 704890 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:52PM (#7413511) Homepage

      OK, on one hand you've got a point... especially seeing as how this comes on the heels of the largest tuition increase [pittsburgh...azette.com] at PSU in over 20 years.

      Then again, lets look at the numbers. Napster charges $9.95 a month for unlimited streaming. The deal is only for the 13,000 or so students in the dorms. So that's around $130,000 a month, not including any discounts the University is getting. So for the 8 months of regular sessions we're looking at around $1 million dollars (again not including discounts) to keep the kids streaming. Penn State's operating budget [psu.edu] for 2000-2001 was over $2 billion dollars, so that million bucks or so is really only a drop in the bucket. At my school we got "free" buss passes and "free" software [pitt.edu] all paid for through liscensing agreements negotiated by the unversity, so why not "free" music as well, especially if it helps the university avoid hassles from the RIAA?

      • especially if it helps the university avoid hassles from the RIAA?

        Exactly. Even if this doesn't stop piracy at all, it gives the perception that PSU is giving in to legal music services, and encouraging people to move away from the illegal ones.

        And if there's one truth in all the media world it's this: groups like the RIAA work on perception, not reality.

        If this is PSU's way of tossing a can of shark-repellant at the RIAA's lawyers, I don't blame them one bit.
        • bingo! the most probable unstated agenda here is that psu wants to avoid anything vaguely looking like liability here. the approximate $1 mil a year this would cost is a great way to say to the riaa hordes "don't blame us, we tried to dissuade our students from evil copyright theft - sue the students directly"
    • by lpret ( 570480 ) <[moc.liamtoh] [ta] [24terpl]> on Thursday November 06, 2003 @11:21PM (#7414397) Homepage Journal
      You have no idea about college networks do you? Recent statistics [ncstate.edu] (at the bottom) have shown that nearly 80% of a typical campus network traffic is filesharing. If that can be curbed, then the network will become more stable and be able to handle traffic better. This also means less resources needed which translates directly into money.

      So the money saved by reducing network traffic is probably more than the 130,000 that this deal requires of the school. Furthermore, I'm sure Napster charged them less than that because it opens the door to other schools. So, the school is banking on less money spent on IT, better protection against the RIAA, and gets great publicity as a "technologically advanced" school. It's more like Penn State is saving money by giving it's students a free lunch.

      • by Anonymous Coward
        They'll still be downloading stuff. Music is *tiny* compared to the stuff people are after these days. TV shows, movies and games are the things most students are now after, and they're the biggest.
      • the network will become more stable and be able to handle traffic better. This also means less resources needed which translates directly into money.

        This is one of the silliest things I have heard all day. As a college student, I assure you that most campus networks (the one here and the ones my CS friends at other schools talk about) are set up to handle much more traffic than they currently get. My school, for example is running 2 T3 lines, so a little filesharing is not particularly taxing on the sy
  • by Sikmaz ( 686372 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:31PM (#7413337)
    What about those people who have no interest in downloading music legally or otherwise? Why do they have to have this cost come out of their tuition?

    I say leave it up to each individual student.
  • by physicsnerd ( 607860 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:31PM (#7413344)
    Umm, let me get this stright. If you're a student at Penn State part of your fees go to pay for this music service. However, to take advantage of this music service you must own a Windows 2K/XP machine. So if you don't have a 2K or XP box you're paying for other people to listen to music? What about all the students who are still running NT/95/98/Me or Mac/Linux/Solaris/ect? While I'd bet a good 80 to 90% are running 2K or XP what is the school doing about the rest? If I was a student at Penn State I'd be asking for a partial refund of my fees. How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?
    • You'd probably be able to download music in a computer lab and then transfer it to your computer running a non-Windows operating system.
      • Good luck getting your Linux box to play encrypted WMA.
        • Exactly, and this isn't about offering free music, it's about pushing a proprietary file format.

          Why is it that whenever there's a shady deal going down, something that just doesn't sit right, like this ridiculous Napster scam for example, you can bet Microsoft is involved every time.
      • As I understand it the music cannot be transfered from computer to computer as the files are in a locked windows media file which is computer specific. If you'd like to pay $0.99 cents you can burn the song onto a CD and then transfer it. But then you're really not getting anything out of the deal because that's what everyone charges for a song. Plus the sound quality will go down if you re-rip the song. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    • Some of the students' money goes to paying the salary of a professor that will never teach them, too. Some science students pay lab fees, but might not be taking lab classes that semester.

      Lots of your tuition money goes to pay for lots of things that you never use or that will never benefit you. This is no different, and it's nothing to whine about.
      • The salaries are paid from tuition, state funding, and research grants, not from the extra fees charged for student facilities. And even if you are looking at the money that does go to paying professors as a pool, you get far more out of those few professors you do take classes from than what your percentage of the pool paid them. In the end it works out approximately even; maybe a few cents off here and there. But for a student service specifically designated only for specific set of students, which off

    • I'm perfectly fine with it. On top of it, since I am a Penn Stater at a branch campus I get NO benefit from this at all.

      Penn State makes WinXP Pro, Office, Visual Dev Studio, etc. free to any student, so there is no one who doesn't at least have access to the proper software for free.

      I'm also sorry to state that as a long time Linux user, I still prefer Windows to Linux on the desktop and I don't see that changing at all except maybe to a Mac. DRM will probably become the only pressing issue that woul
      • DRM will probably become the only pressing issue that would make me go through the configuration hell of Linux on the desktop.

        You're making a big mistake applying difficulty in configuration with Linux to all machines, instead of being difficult on 'your' computer. The desktop centric distros do a fine job detecting hardware for a large number of people. I've never had to configure any of my hardware in Mandrake, aside from installing NVIDIA's drivers. The old hardware was all detected and configured on i
      • If you are a Penn student, I'm Santa Claus.

        What difference does it make if the university provides "proper" software like XP to students at no cost? If your computer did not come with that bug ridden trash, it won't be able to run it. There are very few places where you can get hardware without an OS that's really cheaper than the same hardware with an OS.

        If you have not gone through the "hell" of desktop configuration, how can you be a long time linux user? If you knew much about free software, you wo

    • They're probably screwed. Colleges can charge you whatever they want. Back in my college days, we had an "engineering computing fee" of $100 per quarter. I found out that this applied even when my entire quarter consisted of poetry and linguistics. I had so many uses for the CAD systems and number crunching that summer!
    • "How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?"

      We just do whatever Joe Pa tells us to.

    • I hate replying to my own posts but I just came across this link with more info about the service.

      http://live.psu.edu/story/4583p [psu.edu]

      Of particular interest:
      Is this service accessible on all computing platforms (i.e. Windows and Macintosh) and different types of Internet connections?

      With the current pilot program being tested this spring, the service is only available to Windows 2000 and XP users. With the addition of certain software, it will also run on Macintosh computers.

      Does this mean that Napste

      • by acaben ( 80896 ) * <<bstanfield> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday November 06, 2003 @09:26PM (#7413743)
        Just a quick note... My dad is the one who's working on the live.psu.edu [psu.edu] site. It's running on apache and php on MacOS X Server. The server's getting hammered today, he says, but the machine's holding up quite well. It's a shame that open source and Mac technologies can be used to promote this new Napster program at PSU, and yet students with machines running similar OS's will be wasting their fees paying for a service they can't use. It's a shame PSU couldn't figure out way to work with the cross-platform iTunes Music store.
        • It's a shame PSU couldn't figure out way to work with the cross-platform iTunes Music store.

          Working with mac and windows is certianly not cross platform. I've never understood why itms needs to be platform dependant at all desides a play to play DRMED AAC files. You essentially browsing a web site .

    • by Suppafly ( 179830 ) <(ten.ylfappus) (ta) (todhsals)> on Thursday November 06, 2003 @09:39PM (#7413811)
      If I was a student at Penn State I'd be asking for a partial refund of my fees. How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?

      Yeh, and I'm sure they'd refund them just like the refund fees for blind people that don't watch tv and fat people that don't use the rec. center and crippled people that can't use the pool.
    • Just because you don't use a service does not entitle you to a refund.

      You (probably) don't have the equipment to effectively use the tampon dispensing machines either, bet you won't ask for a refud on that one though.

    • Another poster pointed out that the current RIAA friendly administration has been taking Historic Bites Out of his Student's Life Savings [pittsburgh...azette.com]. $500 surcharges? AND tuition increases. But hey, top 40 muzack is available on the windoze only intranet, woo hoo!

      Reduccing piracty? The pirates are in charge!

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    • Penn State students blast Napster deal [com.com] Like this?

      Penn State President Graham Spanier and Recording Industry Association of America President Cary Sherman are co-chairs of a joint industry and university committee that is scrutinizing the possibility of putting legal music services on campus
      HOOOO HOOOO! GO PENN STATE!
      ... RIAA!!! HISSSSK!
      GO Penn ...
      RIAA!!! HISSSSSSSSSSK!
      ... Go ..
      *so very confused* :(

      I want to know about all the people living off campus. Some people I know don't even have computers of
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Ahhh I can smell the stream rippers now. Smells like Napster Marshmellows all over again :)
  • by MacEnvy ( 549188 ) <jbocinski@@@bocinski...com> on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:34PM (#7413363) Journal
    What about the students that DON'T use Windows? Believe me, there are plenty of us. Year after year, decision after decision, school administrations on every level create environments more inhospitable to non-MS users. This may be going too far - by using a service that mandates MS, and a service that EVERY college student is going to want to use - the use of Macs and Linux (there are a few of us using Linux, yes) is discouraged. This is unhealthy for both the integrity of networks and free thought itself.

    Hopefully someone will come up with a multi-platform interface for the new Napster service. If not, you can bet that I'd be knocking on the door of the CTO, demanding matching funds for iTunes!

    • by Evil Adrian ( 253301 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:47PM (#7413473) Homepage
      A better question is: Why should Penn State not do something that benefits 95+% of their student body just because they can't offer it to another 5%?
      • Why should Penn State not do something that benefits 95+% of their student body just because they can't offer it to another 5%?


        Because the benefit in question doesn't have diddly to do with the mission of the university.

      • Because it's a university, not a music download website. If they plan to improve the environment on campus they have to do that for EVERYONE, not just the people that fit a certain status quo. ESPECIALLY since the fee for the Napster downloading is including in the ability to use the school network (read the article). Why should a mac or linux user have to pay extra for something they can't utilize simply because they have the "wrong" OS.
      • They should. But they shouldn't force the 5% who can't use it to subsidize it for the others. Do whatever you want, Windows users, but don't ask me to pay for it.
    • Cut the crap, I'm sorry but the problems you face with Linux are unfortunately a CON to using Linux. I've been using Linux since '95, and I (unlike most of the /. crowd) have come to grips with the fact that it is not a viable desktop solution. It has become much better, but it is still such a long way off.

      ...and if you are a Penn State student, as I am, you have access to almost every MS product for... FREE. Last time I checked that's the same price as Linux. I understand those who want to feel like the
    • I suppose it would have been better if they had worked a deal with one of the other major music services that have clients that run on m$/sun/apple/linux platforms. Don't know that I've seen that service yet.
  • Not Free (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:35PM (#7413371)
    For those who read a little more closely, the service is not being offered for free. The cost of the monthly subscription is covered by the $160 service fee that on-campus students are required to pay if they want to hook up to the network.

    Presumably, Napster offered a steep discount on the $9.95 monthly fee, but I'm sure it's not free.
    • Re:Not Free (Score:3, Informative)

      ummm... in case you didn't notice we pay the $160 no matter what. They didn't raise it to compensate, they are actually giving us more for our money... which is pretty rare in college, so I wouldn't complain too loudly.
  • by Tim_F ( 12524 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:37PM (#7413382)
    The poster of the story assumes that a majority of the students at this University run Linux as their desktop operating system. One simply need to look to Slashdot to find out that even among nerds this is not the case. The vast majority of hits that Slashdot gets comes from Microsoft Internet Explorer.

    This is a good deal for the students of this University. They will be able to legally get access to quality music in an open format while probably just paying a minute increase in their tuition. Who wouldn't want to do this.

    Any of the minority of the students that use Linux should just stick to pirating. The RIAA hardly cares enough about their OS fo choice to waste their money going after them.
    • Word. They also leave out the fact that we as Penn State students get almost any MS software completely free! Including WinXP Professional.

      I find it funny that those that claim to be huge Linux fans on campus seem to either spend more time dual booting to Windows or have relegated a computer from computing past as their 1337 Linux box... while their nice shiny new PC is sporting Windows, "'cuz I couldn't play games or do 75% of the things I need to do to graduate" with that Uber Linux boxen.

      I use Linu
    • They will be able to legally get access to quality music in an open format while probably just paying a minute increase in their tuition.

      Maybe because the PSU students have been kicked around [pittsburgh...azette.com] enough by tuition?
  • by pazu13 ( 663695 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:39PM (#7413404)
    As a college student, I'd like to note that on my campus mac users (and some windows users too, probably) are making use of the miracle of iTunes.

    Since the newest version of iTunes lets you share music across the network, a large number of students have simply opened up their lists for perusing and playing. (Downloading, as far as I know, is impossible.)

    Because no one is downloading the files, so clearly is just benefitting from sampling the music (that is, some people will almost definitely purchase CDs when they find themselves deprived of permanent access to songs that they like. -Ideally. I realize I am a bit optimistic), I feel that this should be legal, even though I realize that it's probably not. However, I find it amusing that even though iTunes warns you that you should only share music with yourself -presumably when on some other computer on the network with iTunes- it allows multiple users to be logged in at the same time, and doesn't require that you set a password. So the system has essentially set itself up to be abused.

  • Use Wine. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DraconPern ( 521756 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:39PM (#7413405) Homepage
    It might, except for students that don't run Windows
    How's that a problem? Just use Wine.
    • How about those who don't run on an x86 CPU. Even if WINE adds support for x86 emulation on other architectures who is going to want to get locked into that?

      I have to fire up an emulator every time I want to play some tunes? :-P

      I'd rather buy music from iTMS and have a player natively compiled for my processor architecture. A player which I also might add lets me put that music on my iPod and take it with me.
  • by tintruder ( 578375 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:41PM (#7413430)
    While this is convenient for the students, and certinly contributes to the battle against the extra-legal oppression of RIAA / DMCA etc., I still wonder what is going on at the colleges.

    Perhaps I'd see access to music as a critical component of college attendance if the college attended were Juilliard.

    But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

    So I'd like to see the students dedicating as much time, effort and money to LEARNING as they do to downloading music.

    It is simply a matter of priorities, and the priority at college ought to be education.

    And for those who would ridicule the above because you happen to also like music, consider the waste of money because the vast majority of college freshman show up requiring courses so rudimentary they ought to be considered "remedial". Basically, what they spend the first year or two doing, they should have learned in Junior High.

    This lack of focus on EDUCATION, which is really what college is for, costs everybody money whether you are a student or not.

    • Fact is, there are too many colleges chasing too few students. Colleges are going out of there way to attract new students, e.g. building indoor skating rinks, jacuzzis, etc. in student unions. State schools are doing everything they can to attract out-of-state students, because they pay much higher tuitions. Those that fail to attract enough students will not have enough money to fulfill their primary function, which is still education. (Many private colleges closed their doors in the 80's, including the o
    • by altek ( 119814 )
      But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

      A number I pulled right out of my ass!

      Seriously, how can you just arbitrarily post random statistics without backing it up whatsoever? If you can prove that data, please do, because I have serious doubts that 75% of a university's operating budget comes from joe taxpayer.

      While I do agree with you that a large number of incoming college freshman are not very well prepared, the blame for that lies not with the
  • I hate it (Score:2, Insightful)

    by headbulb ( 534102 )
    The Reason I don't like it, Is The school is paying for it, That means that tuition fee's are really the ones paying for it. (or added in to some other fee Which is what it looks like they did)

    If you are going to do something like this make it a fee not something that is included that I can't opped out of.

    I get distracted easily. I don't want to have to pay for something that is potentialy going to distract me. To those that say Oh but its included. Yes it is But the school has to pay for it somehow. The
    • You are a ridiculous idiot. Do you understand the principles of collective bargaining? That's why it's not an opt-out situation. The funniest bit is about you getting distracted. Did you go to college? Did you live with momm and daddy? Above you say yearbook is okay because of school pride, which is good. What about campus radio? You pay for it! You can't opt out! You're a whiny crybaby. Just because you're bitter about not having friends, that doesn't mean you should take it out on the other students t
  • So, instead of turning on the FM radio and listening to pre-programmed top-40 tripe, now you can turn on your copy-protection-riddled Napster app and listen to pre-programmed top-40 tripe?

    The only real difference I can see here is that the radio is "free", whereas the Napster deal costs the school money.

    Schwab
    In a curmudgeonly mood today.

    • The only real difference I can see here is that the radio is "free", whereas the Napster deal costs the school money.

      Another difference is that radio adds are less intrusive than the pop-ups that will surely jump out of the new Napster. I can imagine trying to write term papers while popups cover my screen. I'd first turn the music service off. Nope, still comming. Then I'd unplug the network. Nope still there from a 200MB spool you can't erase. Then I'd drop a knoppix CD in and listen to my oggs in

  • I live in the dorms. I'll tell you if there's anything worth listening to or if it all totally sucks.

    We are Penn State!!!!

  • by IAmATuringMachine! ( 62994 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @08:48PM (#7413482)
    As a Penn State Student and a Mac geek, I did my part to write in complaints to the administration and the school paper about how this isolates people using other platforms. Well, other platform anyway - iTunes is certainly the lesser of the evils - but I fear Linux simply won't be supported by any major online music store [that uses DRM].

    It's funny that just yesterday our paper ran a feature on how much students here like iTunes and then today say "Napster!" Similarly, last week they had a feature on how a lot of the labs are going to Mac OS X.

    Hopefully my writein as a "computer science graduate student" will perk up some ears...
    • As a Penn State Student and a Mac geek, I did my part to write in complaints to the administration and the school paper about how this isolates people using other platforms.

      It's people like you who give the Mac platform a reputation as "zealots". If you don't run Windows how does the fact that Windows users get a specific service affect you in any way? You're no better or worse off for it.

      If you feel isolated, it's because of your persecution complex (manifiested in the fact that you chose to be a "vict

      • I am by no means a zealot. Yes, I like my platform, but I clearly can play along with others, I mean hell, I'm in the CS department.

        What I wrote in about was the fact that I AM PAYING for something I CAN'T USE. Notice clever use of caps.

        A person should not be a victim because they choose to use a particular computing platform, just as much as a woman shouldn't be a victim of rape because she chose to wear a trendy short skirt (or at least that's what the rapist would believe).

        A computer is a computer, an
      • Also, I find it ironic that you suggest that I am a zealot, when the apparent majority of your posts are little anti-Apple newsbytes.

        Examples:

        You're signature on a post is "I sold my iPod on eBay to get a dellPod! The best choice I ever made"

        You trolled on http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=84290&cid=736 2 112

        You flamebaited the "Bic Mac" cluster as being "a publicity stunt like 99% of what apple does" on http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=84181&cid=7354 108

        You describe all mac users as over
    • I thought it was rather odd they weren't going with iTunes as well. Napster does have some name recognition, but more often I think the recognition is as something that was pretty good 'for its time'. iTunes seems to have a lot more appeal as a new and hip technology.
  • The music industry obviously considers students (and anyone) that don't run Windows (or Mac) to not be part of the market they are trying to sell to. There could be many reasons for this. One might be the cost of developing a media player for Linux, BSD, or whatever other stuff even fewer people might be running at home. So it's probably not cost effective to make the effort to market to that group, given the lower revenues from such a smaller group. So since they aren't expecting any revenues from Linu

    • The music industry considers free software an impediment to their marketing model. They would impose the limits of 100 year old mass production technology on music. Free software, which alows the user to treat music like any other file, prevents that kind of thing. The music industry will do everything in its power to make sure computing becomes less and less free until the only music you can get is streamed and pay per play. To get there, they make promisses and grant small easy gifts, and they are work
  • What about people like me who listen to international bands? We're left out in the dark, and therefore we still must illegally download music to get our fix one way or another. And to make it worse, I'm a Mac user, so WINE won't even run on PowerPC architecture. Honestly, I don't think Napster nor Penn State even took into consideration the people who don't run Windows, since most kids honestly get sucked up at the local Best Buy "$600 Steal--perfect for college student" "deals" that include XP.
  • by acaben ( 80896 ) * <<bstanfield> <at> <gmail.com>> on Thursday November 06, 2003 @09:31PM (#7413769)
    Here's why a useless, crappy, DRM'd version of these songs is being offered to Penn State instead of an AAC and the usage rights that Apple's iTunes offers.

    There's a member of the RIAA's board on Penn State's Board of Trustees.

    That's the reason this is going on. They're charing all kinds of fees to a bunch of students who can't even USE the service on their Macs, and providing shitty DRM'd technology to those who have PCs just so a member of their board can buy another yacht. I think it's rather dispicable.

  • [scrappleface.com]
    Penn State Strikes Deals with Napster, Budweiser
  • It might, except for students that don't run Windows

    How long before the service is limited to Windows users and you get thrown from campus for using Linux.

  • by jbs0902 ( 566885 ) on Thursday November 06, 2003 @10:11PM (#7413998)
    It might stop some downloaders, but at this point it has become political for me.

    I want to bankrupt the bastards. They had every opportunity to replace their outdated failing business model with a new successful model. Now after 5+ years, Draconian laws, and plenty of lawsuits, life is a bit worse and Apple brought them kicking and screaming into a successful form of on-line business.

    Let them fail.
    Let a more successful business rise in their place.

    It is not called piracy
    It is called capitalism.

  • This is an absolute waste of time and money. What the students are recieving access to is, essentially, internet radio. Why would that be any more appealing as an alternative to Piracy than regular radio, or independant internet radio. Sounds like the school is paying for the opportunity to market a legal option to their students.

    Having music in a stream selected by someone else is little or no substitute for managing a playlist and a substantial music collection. Do you really think that the average P
  • Who wants to bet Napster 2 has died before then?
  • More Information (Score:2, Insightful)

    by bamberg29 ( 240460 )
    I submitted this earlier today, but was rejected. So here's what I had to say. It contains a bit more information.

    After the University of Rochester [rochester.edu] announced last week in its school newspaper [campustimes.org] that students there would be offered legal music downloads starting the spring semester, Penn State [psu.edu] President Graham B. Spanier [educause.edu] announced today that his University has signed an agreement with Napster [napster.com] to launch a program in which Penn State will make Napster's Premium Service available at no cost to its students. [psu.edu] Th
  • by Bruha ( 412869 )
    Lets not allude that non Windows users steal music. I happily pay for software and music when I feel that I need to purchase it..

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