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Review of Squeezebox MP3 Player 270

Anyone who is a frequent reader of these pages knows of my obsession with MP3 players. From portables to stereo components. From machines that stream, to flash devices with just a tiny bit of space. I love these things. And now, one of my favorites is back. Slimdevices has released the Squeezebox- the 802.11b update to its already excellent Slimp3. Read on for my full review.

The Squeezebox has no local storage. It is entirely reliant upon some other PC in your house to store your data. Now I have used a great many devices with internal storage, and external storage, and what it comes down to is that this is the best of breed for streaming devices. You install a tiny server application, and go. The server app itself is written in perl, and has been ported to Linux, Windows, and OS X. For this review I tested by running the server on an iMac so I could try out the iTunes integration.

The server installed in seconds. The only real setting required of me was to choose the source of my music in a freshly installed prefPane. You can choose either iTunes, or an arbitrary directory. Setting up the Squeezebox was just as easy. Plug it in, turn it on, and answer a few questions. In my case, the only question I had to enter was the password key for my wireless network: DHCP takes care of the networking, and the client detected the server running on my iMac through Rendezvous without any action on my part.

The unit itself is incredibly minimal. Of course there is a power jack. Next, your input options are a standard network jack, and an antenna for 802.11b wireless networking. And finally for output, you can choose between a standard set of RCA analog outputs, an optical digital port, and a coaxial digital port. You plug the thing into your stereo, and you're ready to go.

So after barely a minute, I'm ready to listen to music. First, you can use the included remote control to choose artists, albums, or playlists. You can play. Shuffle. Skip. All the usual things that you want from your remote. But that's only scratching the surface of the power behind this device.

The Squeezebox makes use of the new 5.0 version of the fabulous SlimServer. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that this is the best web interface available for playing MP3s... and as a little secret, the player will work with any shoutcast capable client. I used an earlier version in my house to stream to laptops before daapd and iTunes 4 made that unnecessary. But I still use it to stream occasionally if I want 2 locations to be playing the same music.

The web interface provides you with an extensive roster of tools for manipulating playlists, viewing cover art (available from thumbnails, or from ID3 tags). The web interface makes dealing with larger MP3 collections quite simple. And since it announces itself via Rendezvous, you don't even need to remember the IP of the device. As if that isn't enough, the interface is tremendously flexible: almost everything can be changed, from the contents of the menu, to the skin of the HTML.

As if thats not enough, the device is capable of playing AACs (not the encrypted variety tho!) or OGGs if that happens to be your format of choice. Things will sound about as good as can be expected for MP3s. If you have a decent stereo and use one of the digital outputs, you wiil really want to start ripping your tracks at much higher bit rates.

The Squeezebox has done great things to integrate with iTunes, but it could go a few steps further. The only major thing lacking from the interface is the concept of track rating, and I would love to see that available to me at least from the web interface, and possibly let me use the remote to add or remove stars- I think this is the only really substantial thing lacking from this system. Besides the rating system, it would be great if iTunes & the Slim Server shared values for things like when I last played a track, or the total number of times I've played a given track. Then my numbers would add up no matter where in the house I was listening to my music. Lastly, it would be nice if the playlists in iTunes and Slim Server were truly shared. As it stands, iTunes playlists are read only to Slim, and Slim playlists are non existent to iTunes. I'd love to have a single unified interface for tracking my playlists.

It's also worth noting that the Slimdevices folks continue to develop their web interface. There are frequent updates, and they are constantly adding new features. And of course, since the whole thing is perl, I guess I could hack all of this in myself if I wasn't such a lazy bum.

Now it's time for me to cover the one and only downside to this great little device: The cost. Yes, we're talking $300... and you still need an external machine to host the actual songs. But you are not limited by disk space that way. And with the 802.11b, you can plug this in anywhere in your home... even those pesky rooms that didn't come with cat-5 already wired in. So yeah, it's a bit steep of a price to pay, but this device is really your best bet for getting your large MP3 collection to any location in the house you desire. The elegant web interface, the amazing customizability, the simplicity of installation, and the flexibility of server applications really make this a no brainer.

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  • by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:31PM (#7630069) Homepage Journal

    Anyone who is a frequent reader of these pages knows of my obsession

    I'm sure they're both aware, yes.

    anyhow.. 802.11b MP3 players? Very cool, however the product page doesn't mention encryption, does this leave the product open to lawsuits by RIAA for transmitting the music where a neighbour could potentially snag it?
  • You haven't really (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Pingular ( 670773 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:33PM (#7630089)
    said any advantage this mp3 player has over other ones, would there really be any point in upgrading from my current mp3 player? It would be nice if you could discuss those points.
    • by DataPath ( 1111 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:14PM (#7630578)
      I think the point is this isn't a portable mp3 player device, but more of a flexible home mp3 player.
    • External Storage (Score:5, Informative)

      by roshi ( 53475 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:34PM (#7630832)
      The key difference between devices like this one and the Audiotron is that they rely on having the mp3's stored in another location. This means that you never run out of capacity (when you do, you jsut upgrade the hard drive in your PC).

      As the previous poster said, this is a home audio device, not a portable player, so it's a different approach and a different feature set. Better in absolute terms? I dunno, maybe. Better for the home-audio environment it was designed for? Almost certainly.
      • You must not be talking about the AudioTron. It too relies on external storage of the MP3's.

        SLiMP3 and AudioTron are the only two (out of about half a dozen) makes of these devices that have made the vital realization that it is stupid to try to store the files locally on a hard drive.
    • by 87C751 ( 205250 )
      Advantages?
      • 802.11b with 40 and 128 WEP
      • Optical digital output (TOSLINK)
      • Coaxial digital output
      • Completely open server software

      And that's just off the top of my head. Besides, you don't say which one you have now, so we can't properly rip it to shreds.

    • Nobody's mentioned the killer feature (in my book) behind the SliMP3 and the Squeezebox:

      You can sync or desync multiple devices around the house. Play the same playlist in sync at multiple points around a large house. With any remote, browse the library or change the music everywhere at any device. From any PC in the house, browse the library or change the music everywhere.

      These things are thin terminals and the "server" box can remain in one out-of-sight location to serve files.

      One poster said yo

  • meh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TrippTDF ( 513419 ) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {dnalih}> on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:35PM (#7630116)
    As cool as this device is, I think I'm going to let the market for devices like this take a little more form before I start buying anything.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:37PM (#7630134)
    Causes insomnia for my Dad.


    Yes, I know what the song really means; that's why I posted AC ;).

  • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:40PM (#7630166) Journal
    ... if you haven't already got fibre routed throughout your dwelling, you're no geek in *my* eyes! :-)

    Simon
  • It's expensive as hell. Let me see if I can reconstruct the chain of events:

    Man receives expensive mp3 player for review
    Man likes it, of course, it's really nice
    Man posts good review of it on his website, guaranteeing he'll receive further units for evaluation in the future
    Circle of life completes, wheel in the sky keeps on turnin', etc

  • The main problem I have with devices like this (I own the Turtle Beach Audiotron) is that they don't support crossfading. This seems like it would be trivially easy to implement in firmware - so why hasn't someone done it yet?
    • Well, the original slimp3 didn't even have a "real" CPU, just a microcontroller and a dedicated MP3 decoder chip (actually an FPGA, I believe) that only supported decoding a single MP3 stream at a time. That makes crossfading basically impossible.

      The new device is supposed to have a little bit more power, and supports wave file streaming, so at worst you could add a crossfading MP3 decoder on the server and stream wave data to it. I don't know if this is supported yet, but if not I am sure someone will i
    • I looked at the older non-Wifi SLIMP3 before deciding it was rather expensive, but the device itself is INCREDIBLY simple and all the work is done in the server software. That means that there's no fundamental reason why you (or Slim) couldn't add cross-fading to the server. But they haven't done this.

      By the way, does anyone know any decent MP3 players that do crossfading on Linux. All the Windows ones seem to be getting all sorts of clever auto-mixing capability but Linux stuff just plays 1 song then the

  • I had a friend looking for something like this a few months back. I'm going to dig up his email address and send him this review. Plus, this is probably what I'll end up getting for my living room, playing it off my Linux file server. As long as the server can run text-mode.
  • Expensive (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JRSiebz ( 691639 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:44PM (#7630228)
    It's $299. You could buy an xbox and mod it for the same functionality for under 200 nowadays. Anyone ever here of xbox media player/center? Store music on your xbox or stream from your computer in a variety of ways. You could even splurge for an xbox 802.11b adapter if ya want.
    • Re:Expensive (Score:3, Informative)

      by marcop ( 205587 )
      $200 means a used Xbox. If you want new then it's going to cost more. Here is a list of stuff that are good to have (but not all needed) to turn an Xbox into a media center:
      - Xbox - $179 new
      - Mod Chip - $50
      - Hard Drive - $40-$100 depending on size. Not needed for streaming from a PC.
      - DVD Remote Control - $30 - not needed but using the controller in the media player is lame.
      - Xbox 802.11b adapter - $??? - not needed but convenient.
      - Samsung DVD drive - $50 - Xbox comes with one of 3 different DVD drives.
    • Or you could buy a tivo, which also has the same functionality out of the box. Plus its a PVR.
  • This or an Audrey? (Score:3, Informative)

    by showmeshowyoukikoman ( 659208 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:44PM (#7630230)
    I had been considering a slimp3 player since they first came out. I convinced myself I didn't need one, and I could wait until they integrated wireless and a digital optical out.

    In the mean time, I purchased an audrey [audreymadness.com] from ebay and set that up. The audrey is on the network, and offers touch-screen browsing of music and playlists right at the machine, instead of having to build your playlists on a computer through a web browser.

    Man, tough choice though, they're both seriously cool.
  • by tmark ( 230091 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:47PM (#7630268)
    I have a Rio MP3 Receiver which I bought for $55 USD. The out-of-the-box software isn't that great, but that's easily changeable with anyone of a number of different projects. It also has a network jack (no wifi, but so what...you can just plug it into an access point for a total cost of far less than $300), plus Home PNA, and it also sounds great.

    So what makes this thing worth all that extra money ?

    And what do people here think about wireless multimedia devices anyways ? I've had enough problems trying to get my laptop to even talk to my wireless router through a few walls when they're less than 100 ft away... it seems to me that trying to stream multimedia over the same sort of link isn't going to be that reliable if you have a larger home and/or less than ideal geometry. It's exactly this concern that prompted me to spend the money to retrofit my house with CAT6 throughout.
    • What makes it worth the price?

      - Unlimited storage (on the server PC). Some folks have more than 20GB of music (legitimately purchased even)

      - Ability to stream MP3s to multiple Squeezeboxes from a single server, centralizing your music collection

      • Well, seeing as I wrote a fair bit of the client-side software for the Rio Receiver I guess I can point out these are both wrong:

        Unlimited storage (on the server PC). Some folks have more than 20GB of music (legitimately purchased even)

        The Rio Receiver is exactly the same class of product as the Squeezebox - it's a diskless thin client that streams music stored on a server. The only space limit is the size of the hard disk(s) in your PC.

        Ability to stream MP3s to multiple Squeezeboxes from a single ser

    • Don't forget the open-source server. I managed to hack up Unicode support of sorts (converting UTF-8 encoded ID3 tags on my MP3s to whatever ISO encoding the SliMP3 uses) with only a little effort.
      • Have you tried posting your modifications to the developers list? That way everyone else could be enjoying Unicode support.
        • No, for three reasons: (1) it was a hack that I'm not happy with; (2) it was to the 4.2.x codebase (it's now at 5.0.x); and (3) I wasn't aware of the list until recently (which may have helped solve (1)).

          I'm planning on rewriting it in the next few weeks; I plan on posting the changes to the developers list at that time.
    • So what makes this thing worth all that extra money ?

      The bright, big, green display? Digital output? The firmware source code? Steaming WAV support? (with the digital output this means that there's no sound degradation when you store your music as WAV or FLAC, if you're that picky about sound quality.)

      If you don't care about any of those things, then you shouldn't get a squeezebox.
      • > The bright, big, green display?

        That's pretty much it. Those VFDs are around $100 all by themselves. Nowadays you can get OLED displays that look almost as vivid for a fraction of the price, or you could go with a cheaper LCD with a good EL backlight. They made a couple of questionable hardware design decisions that definitely negatively impacted the price.
    • by wbattestilli ( 218782 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:13PM (#7630565)
      I own a Rio and a SliMP3. I got the Rio first. Now that I have the SliMP3, I hate the Rio and am almost ready to throw it away and spend $300 on a Squeezebox. Keep in mind that I'm not a gaget guy and am generally cheap.

      The reason: The interface. The Rio screen and UI suck. The SliMP3 has a beautiful screen and the closest thing to a perfect interface that I've ever used. There is no comparison.

      Oh, the server software is great too. No Rio project comes close.
    • by Stinking Pig ( 45860 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @03:15PM (#7631355) Homepage
      So what makes this thing worth all that extra money?

      a) community. The user and developer mailing lists are thriving and busy with hardware hacks, software mods, new plugins, and friendly troubleshooting.

      b) community. The company owners are part of those mailing lists, contribute frequently, and are incredibly helpful.

      c) community. Because of a and b, the product is shaped by its users rather than by Rio's marketing department. Check the user group archives and you'll find requests for every feature in the squeezebox.

      d) ease of use. Out of the box, it just works.

      • community

        Which the Rio has in spades as well. Admittedly, it's a different community than SliMP3's -- the developer is defunct, but the Rio hardware/software interface is so freaking simple that everything short of the ROM has been replaced now. And before Rio went bankrupt and was sold (both twice) they were fairly open about mods to the box as well.

        the product is shaped by its users rather than by Rio's marketing department

        I can pretty well assure you that the Rio Receiver is no longer shaped by the
  • by Kirk Troll ( 729217 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @01:50PM (#7630304) Journal
    Symphony no. 9 in D Minor.

    I guess, to avoid ALL possible snarling from the RIAA, they made it be playing something nobody could ever find on Kazaa. ;)
  • Looks like our humble reviewer forgot to mention one big side effect of one on the cons.

    The fact that it cannot play encrypted AAC mean that it would not be able to play the songs you purchased on iTMS. So long for iTunes integration.

    Sure you can burn your playlist and convert it to MP3 but it would be better if that step would not be required.
    • Not trolling here, I do not know much about the iTMS format.

      What can play the encrypted AAC from iTMS? Does it require special licensing, secuirty, or software to play them?
      The more open or accepted the format, the more support and choice you will have. If the barrier for entry is high or costly, you will have a limited choice. This is not a new concept.
      • What can play the encrypted AAC from iTMS? Does it require special licensing, secuirty, or software to play them?

        It requires DRM. Except it isn't DRM, because it comes from Steve - so it is really GoodRM, or NiceRM, or TheLeaderHasToldUsToSwallowRM. Either way, we really like it! We never really wanted to control the data in our own computers ourselves anyways, we think it is good that Steve is in charge now.

        Next week, we are installing a door to our house that will only let us out when it decides to! It
    • by sulli ( 195030 ) * on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:23PM (#7630697) Journal
      That's a reason not to buy encrypted AACs, not a reason not to buy this thingie. Do you really want DRM on the squeezebox?
    • The fact that it cannot play encrypted AAC mean that it would not be able to play the songs you purchased on iTMS. So long for iTunes integration.

      You could, of course, strip out the DRM [slashdot.org]...

      (Yes, I've tried it. It's a bit of a pain since you currently have to do each track manually, but it does work. I've had half a thought of writing something to automate it, but haven't gotten around to it yet.)

  • Data Sharing (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ripleymj ( 660610 )
    I would think that it would be possible to add more data sharing between iTunes and the SlimServer app. Most of the iTunes data is stored in an XML file in \My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml. The SlimServer is open source [slimdevices.com], so if you really wanted that feature you might be able to hack it in yourself.
    • Re:Data Sharing (Score:2, Informative)

      by blackketter ( 72157 )
      This is exactly how it already works. Unfortunately, Apple hasn't provided any hooks to update the iTunes database (to adjust ratings, etc.) from outside applications.

      That said, not all of the information is in the iTunes XML file is currently used by SlimServer, but it could be if somebody wanted it.
    • Re:Data Sharing (Score:5, Informative)

      by seanadams.com ( 463190 ) * on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:21PM (#7630671) Homepage
      would think that it would be possible to add more data sharing between iTunes and the SlimServer app. Most of the iTunes data is stored in an XML file in \My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml. The SlimServer is open source, so if you reallywanted that feature you might be able to hack it in yourself.


      What are you talking about? We already do this!

      All your itunes music and playlists automagically appear on Squeezebox. Rip a new CD, boom it's there. We pick up changes in the iTunes XML database automatically.
  • But I can vouch for the server side of it, since I'm currently streaming music from my server downstairs to here.

    I particularly like the fact that each player can have it's own playlist if that's what you want, so everyone can stream from the same server, but have their own playlists set up so that you don't piss off the person downstairs by skipping the track you don't like.
  • I just got a new Sony self system [sonystyle.com] that has 'Wireless Audio Transfer' (WAT). Basically, it has a seperate RF attenna that you attach to the sound card of your PC (or other audio device) and the shelf system will pick up the audio feed wirelessly. Not quite as versitile as the system reviewed here, but the sound on this system is incredible! Plus, you get the whole system (has a 60 CD changer) for $299. If it had an MD player instead of tape deck it would be perfection.
  • I've had this capability (plus much more) for about a year through my xbox. Highly recommended for those who have an xbox but realize the game selection is microscopic.
  • by kodakjello ( 729638 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:05PM (#7630486)
    I own the previous model (slimp3) and I have to say that it is the best purchase I have made in quite a few years. It cost a pretty penny getting it up into Canada but it was worth it.

    I now have access to every CD I have ever owned (ripped at 320kbs) at the push of a button. This reality has literally changed my life. I now watch less tv because getting my slimp3 up and running is easier then turning the tv on and hunting for something to watch.

    No, the squeeze box isn't portable but that's not what it was designed for; just as the iPod wasn't designed for stereo integration. The SqueezeBox gives you audiophile quality sound, infinite expansion capabilities, ease of operation, no moving parts, a high quality display, and an open source server that will never leave you high and dry. No other product on the market has this level of flexibilty, adaptability and openness.

    P.S. I urge everyone to think about the non-obvious benefits of instant music access. In these trying times music can offer an unexpected shelter from stress and frustration.
  • by wjr ( 157747 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:16PM (#7630601)
    I got my Squeezebox last night and played with it for a while. Setting up the server software (on a Fedora Core 1 machine) was as simple as installing an RPM. All I had to do then was to plug in the Squeezebox, tell it my ESSID and WEP key, and tell the server where to find the music. The server then spent several minutes scanning the music directory (80GB, over 10K tracks, and yes, they're all ripped from CDs I own). Once that was done, the Squeezebox found the server and was ready to go.

    I had been worried that it would be too painful to find music from as large a collection as mine using only the remote control's numeric keypad, and that I'd end up having to use the Web interface to control playlists, which is less convenient. However, the browsing and searching functionality built into the Squeezebox worked much better than I'd expected. Browsing by artist is quick - you zoom down to the right section of the alphabet with a few keypresses on the remote's numeric pad (e.g., press "7" once for P, twice for Q, and so on), then use the up/down buttons to scroll to the right artist. You can then browse the list of albums or tracks. You can also do a search for keywords in the title.

    One feature that surprised me, but that I quite like having seen it, is that the indexing software ignores prepositions in artist names. So the list of artists starting with "S" went something like "Sarah McLachlan", "The Seekers", "Severe Tire Damage", ..., "Sting", "The Strawbs", "Sunday's Well". It also handled accented characters without a glitch: "&aumlaut" was treated the same as "a" in terms of sorting and searching. Neither of these features is really appropriate outside the English-speaking world (in Swedish, "&aumlaut" shouldn't sort with "a", but at the end of the alphabet), but they work great for me. (Yes, those should be real a-with-umlaut characters but Slashcode seems to strip them out if I enter them properly. Sigh.)

    The display is bright and easy to read, and if you're too far away, one button press on the remote switches it to double-size characters, which can be read from across the room.

    $300 is a little expensive for a toy like this, but it's going to make a huge difference to the way that we listen to music at home. We'd already got a dedicated 24/7 home file server holding the music collection, and the Squeezebox is the perfect complement to that. We're already discussing whether to get a second one for another room.

  • by tritone ( 189506 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @02:24PM (#7630705) Homepage
    Squeezebox. Maybe it's been optimized to play accordion music.
  • You mean it's not a portable player with 802.11 for wireless P2P when several users ride the same subway? Damn! Any HK company developing a plugin for iPOD yet?
  • As i understand, you DO need a web-broser to interface with the box, so why not just connect the PC directly to the stereo?

    If you are worried that will feed the sound when you're watching pr0n into the stereo add one more soundcard.

    I got a P3-700 sitting under my video, hooked to the stereo and TV. It does PVR, mp3-play, routing, dhcp server, NAT, print-deamon, wireless access point, ...

    The whole thing set me back around $190, one year ago.
  • Frequent readers also know about your Who obsession.
  • server running all day just for music.

    You seem to know a lot, what would you recommend for a good, wired component with storage to play mp3s?

    (I just spent a MONTH running one cat5e cable to my family room and I am going to get the most out of it if it kills me. For future reference, do not assume it will be easy to run a cable up two stories on an external wall (no internal walls) in a half brick (brick = 3 wall layers, not 2, with lots of cross members) half vinyl home an attic that would be a tight sqe
  • by sunspot42 ( 455706 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @03:24PM (#7631466)
    I think Slim Devices has a wonderful gadget here, but the price is on the high side of outrageous. You can buy a gigantic Sony 400 *DVD* changer for $400 standard retail, and it'll even support MP3 encoded CR-R discs and Super Audio CD's. Yeah, it's nice to be able to stream audio straight from your PC, but if you want to store uncompressed or losslessly compressed audio, that's going to take a lot of storage space if you have a 400 disc collection. I've ripped pretty much every disc I own to my hard drives, mostly uncompressed, and it consumes well in excess of 250 gigabytes. Factor the cost of that kind of storage into the equation, and getting a proper Squeezebox configuration going (including a wireless router) could add up to well over $500.

    I went with cd3o's [cd3o.com] $200 wireless media receiver a few months ago, and I've been pretty happy with my decision. Does most of what the Squeezebox does plus a few things that it doesn't do and costs $100 less. It's also a Linux device like the Squeezebox, although their server software isn't currently available for Linux (though others have apparently written a Linux server for it - check their support forums).

    I think these gadgets are certainly the wave of the future, though I suspect we'll see their functions rolled into standard receivers / preamps at some point.
  • by HarveyBirdman ( 627248 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @03:41PM (#7631687) Journal
    I'm thinking of buying three of these- one for the living room/home therater, one for the master bedroom and one for the garage (I'm out there a lot on the weekends tinkering and building stuff)- and just having them all synchronized, which the brochure claims can be done.

    I really appreciate these guys for supporting Mac OS X and iTunes the way they are.

    Why do I work 60 hour weeks if I can't splurge once in a while?

  • Mama's got a squeeze box
    She wears on her chest
    And when Daddy comes home
    He never gets no rest

    'Cause she's playing all night
    And the music's all right
    Mama's got a squeeze box
    Daddy never sleeps at night

    Well the kids don't eat
    And the dog can't sleep
    There's no escape from the music
    In the whole damn street

    'Cause she's playing all night
    And the music's all right
    Mama's got a squeeze box
    Daddy never sleeps at night

    She goes in and out and in and out and in and out and in and out

    She's playing all ni
  • ..major thing lacking from the interface is the concept of track rating, and I would love to see that available to me..

    They probably left track rating out, figuring you'd then create mp3-meta-rating, then a karma system, and finally another totalitarian localopoly.

  • I opted to acquire a free, semi-broken (monitor image "shakes" on occasion, for lack of a better way to describe it, otherwise works great) 400 MHz iMac G3. This is the slot-loading variety and is fanless. I replaced the paltry and noisy stock internal drive with a cheap, larger silent Seagate drive and now the system is completely silent, ideal for music use. It sits a foot or so from the TV and stereo, and as a plus makes a great and very convenient web browser, etc, plus acts as game machine for my 2 2/3
  • by GlobalEcho ( 26240 ) on Thursday December 04, 2003 @04:51PM (#7632733)
    The addition of digital outputs makes this (at last) a reasonable competitor to the AudioTron.

    Because they are trying to keep the price down, both SlimDevices and Turtle Beach used cheap DACs for the D->A conversion. Thus, the analog sound coming from them was pretty bad -- OK for background music but no better. And I'm no audiophile...this quality problem has been oticeable to lots of people.

    The AudioTron has always had a digital out, whereas SLiMP3 did not. That means one could use the nice, high-quality DACs in a medium or high end receiver/amp, and get decent sound. That's why I bought two AudioTrons rather than these.

    Now, I would probably get these instead. Ignoring the fact that Turtle Beach is due for a new device soon, we have the following differences:

    AudioTron:
    + No server software, works with NAS devices
    + Typical audio component form factor
    + HPNA for those without any kind of LAN

    Squeezebox
    + Additional flexibility in Perl server
    + Better web interface, integration
    + Both kinds of digital output
    + 802.11b free instead of $50 add-on
  • I think this is the first time I've ever seen an original article, written by a Slashdot editor, on Slashdot. Why isn't this a link to somebody else's review?!

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