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FCC Supports Neighborhood Radio 246

RevMike writes "According to this story from the Associated Press, the FCC is recommending to Congress that restrictions on low-power FM stations be relaxed. The FCC found that low-power FM stations can be operated in the gaps of spectrum between major stations without substantially interfering with those major stations. If Congress adopts the FCC's recommendations, it will loosen the stranglehold that companies like ClearChannel have on the airwaves."
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FCC Supports Neighborhood Radio

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  • by __aaitqo8496 ( 231556 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:19PM (#8351734) Journal
    i don't if they're going to want to do that. that might lead to increased free speech, creative ideas, and non-biased information
    • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:48PM (#8351936)
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      • Just look out for RIAA vans driving round with full spectrum scanners and a few thugs in the back to 'persuade' people that their radio station is breaking copyright.

        Actually, that too "might lead to increased free speech, creative ideas, and non-biased information." More original locally created content, that's we need. We don't need more Britney Spears and more O'Reilly on the air.

    • No, it probably won't. The reason the current FCC supports it is because the majority of low-power licensees currently are churches, and there is little doubt that that trend will continue.
  • About time (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:19PM (#8351736)
    Awesome! About time. i've been running a great community station for several years without any interference!
    • Re:About time (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Deekin_Scalesinger ( 755062 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:54PM (#8351971)
      My only fear is that some idiot doesn't do his homework and step over an existing radio station's frequency. Gifts like this from the FCC are few and far between - it would be nice if independent radio was allowed to flourish without some meathead screwing it up for everyone. Ah my faith in human nature...
      • Re:About time (Score:3, Insightful)

        by stephanruby ( 542433 )
        It's not much of a gift. According to the article, you still have to get a license if you want to start one. I assume the license will still have a significant fee attached to it and the location, the frequency, and the amount of power will be regulated and have to be approved by the FCC.

        If an idiot wants to start his own without a license, then it will be the same as always -- it will be considered a pirate radio station and the operator/owner will face a stiff fine and possible jail terms.

    • Re:About time (Score:5, Informative)

      by Bi()hazard ( 323405 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @08:07PM (#8352472) Homepage Journal
      Considering this is slashdot, I'm sure few of you bothered to read the article, let alone go to the FCC's web site and download the pdf version of "Report to the congress on the Low Power FM Interference Testing Program". Well, I did, so here's my chance to flaunt it..er I mean inform the community of the valuable information it contains. (this'll be a long post, so most of you will just want to read the first few paragraphs and follow the link. All the trolls out there should spend the time to read it all to the end :P)

      If you want some information on exactly how the repeal of the restrictions would affect radio, try this page, linked to REC Networks, one of the public commentators on the FCC report. [recnet.com]

      The document's foundation is the Mitre report-an analysis including field tests and experimental programs conducted by the Mitre Corporation at the behest of the FCC starting in 2001. The Mitre report made several recommendations regarding LPFM (low power FM) stations and third-adjacent channel FM stations. Reduction or elimination of minimum distance separation requirements was possible without increasing interference, use of a more stringent emissions mask would limit interference because most LPFM transmitters have poor emission suppression, interference from LPFM to digital receivers is unlikely to occur beyond 130 meters from the transmitter, and the report found that the above results are so reliable listener tests and economic analysis scheduled for the second phase of the LPFM field tests were unnecessary.

      Public comments on the Mitre report included 18 supporters for elimination or modification of the existing minimum didstance separation requirements, and 3 in support of the status quo.

      The FCC document is essentially the FCC's opinion on the Mitre report, with the recommendations it has chosen to pass along to Congress. Page 4 of the pdf begins a list of the FCC's recommendations.

      They go farther than the slashdot summary suggests, and state that existing third-adjacent minimum distance separation requirements between LPFM and full-service stations should be eliminated entirely. This is based on the Mitre report's finding that even in the worst case scenario no real interference would exist beyond 1.1 kilometers from the LPFM transmitter site. The FCC asks congress to modify the relevant statute to eliminate the restrictions in question.

      The FCC also asks Congress to "re-evaluate the necessity of completing Phase II testing." Phase II was the economic analysis the Mitre report chose to skip over, and the FCC agrees that the conclusion they'd reach through Phase II are so obvious there's no point in doing the work. In other words, the FCC's recommendation to eliminate the restrictions is all pro and no con, and any fool can plainly see it. Except, of course, a fool whose only goal is to squash small radio stations before they start accumulating listeners.

      That's all there is in the recommendations section, and the entire report to Congress contains only six pages. Six! That's nearly unheard of in the world of governmental bureaucracy, and it sends a clear signal that this FCC report is essentially a memo saying "Yo, Congress, this law is dumb so kill it." End of story, no politicking, no favors or special interests or obfuscation, simply the FCC doing it's job the way it's supposed to. Not something you see every day!

      So what's going to happen? Congress will see this, start a hearing, and there's two possibilities: One, big radio doesn't do anything, and the restrictions are eliminated in a one sided vote with little fanfare or contention. Or, Clear Channel decides to abuse the little guy, and starts lobbying in favor of the restrictions. We'll see loads of bs and political favors, and all the crap people complain about in Congress. It will be interesting to watch the results as a barometer of just how gridlocked Congress has become due to special interests.

      By the way, the last pag
  • Finally! (Score:3, Funny)

    by NickABusey ( 642217 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:19PM (#8351741) Homepage
    I can broadcast my remixes of Britney Spears for everyone in my neighborhood to enjoy!
  • here here (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ahuimanu ( 237298 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:20PM (#8351748) Homepage Journal
    Let us not forget how powerful and important college radio can be. College radio certainly falls under this category and has been here for awhile. I was a program director at a college radio station in Hawaii in my college days (KTUH) and, in balance, I believe we offered more to the community than any other station (Public Radio excepted).
    • Re:here here (Score:3, Insightful)

      funny, at my university, there is no student voice on the college radio. not even that is a reserved source of speech anymore. i don't doubt that is the case at many other universities as well
      • Re:here here (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ahuimanu ( 237298 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:26PM (#8351784) Homepage Journal
        I am talking about the late 1980s. I do think our culture is far more stiffled by commerce and capitalism than even then. Our was a quasi-hippie/radical/anarchist/liberal/cerebral/in tellectual/rock-n-roll experience. However, we let ALL KINDS on, so we had a conservative or two on and it was FUN!

        Sorry to hear that people who go to college now have non-representative college radio. Ours was run by for and of the students. Oh yeah, did I mention we were only 100 watts? What was interesting (and the subject of debate with the FCC over the years) was that we were allowed FAR MORE POWERFUL booster repeater stations to get our signal to elsewhere on the island and, on a good day, to other islands)

      • Re:here here (Score:5, Informative)

        by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:30PM (#8351817)
        There are two types of college radio stations:

        A: The NPR outlet owned by the school, and therefore expresses the views of the administration or nearly no views at all.

        B: The freeform station that is a legally distinct entity from the school, which gets its funding either on its own or from the student government.

        The reason there's such a thick line between these two kinds of things is liability. If the school has any ownership in the radio station, they must tightly control it because they're on the hook for any FCC fines or slander lawsuits. Because most colleges have endowments, they're the ultimate deep pockets.

        If it's a distinct entity, then the school has no control over it, and if they get into trouble, then they can go bankrupt without any risk to the school.
        • Re:here here (Score:3, Insightful)

          by MBCook ( 132727 )
          That's the way it is at the university near me. There is one station that plays NPR content in the mornings, evenings and weekeds; and they play classical music the rest of the time (which is nice because they are the only FM station to do so). The other station is weaker, but it's the "true" college station. It's the one that's run by students with popular music (I believe it plays indie/local/unknown mostly) and such. Personally I kind of like having the two. There are many who like the second station (no
    • Re:here here (Score:5, Insightful)

      by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:36PM (#8351857) Journal
      I would be willing to place many college radio stations above public radio. During the Clinton impeachment hearings all we were getting from publuc radio was...the Clinton impeachment hearings, like there was nothing else happening in the u.s. much less the world. DMCA was being debated around the same time(I think). I heard hardly anything about that. Clipper chip? Bah. Nothing. Other corporate give aways? Zilch. Monsanto? Don't make me laugh.
      • I guess our station is a mix. They play NPR stuff twice a day, but the rest of the time it's shows like "native american news" and "democracy now" (and believe me, Monsanto and "democracy now" go together like Microsoft and Stallman).
    • Another Alternative (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Winkhorst ( 743546 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:39PM (#8351880)
      Not to even mention internet radio, but you can rent time on WBCQ shortwave (transmitter located in Maine) at ridiculously low prices and broadcast to the entire planet. And you can say virtually anything you want, though your listeners are limited to those with enough perception to own a world-band radio. The funny thing is that the owner started out in pirate radio.
  • by stonebeat.org ( 562495 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:21PM (#8351752) Homepage
    ClearChannel will not let go without a fight.
    ClearChannel is ranked among the top 5 radio conglomerates in the world.
    Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over. This will be big problem in areas like Mojave Desert etc.
    • by rossz ( 67331 ) <ogre@@@geekbiker...net> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:26PM (#8351778) Journal
      Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over.


      Naw, ClearChannel did that all on their own.
    • ClearChannel (Score:3, Informative)

      ClearChannel is ranked among the top 5 radio conglomerates in the world.
      Heh, and not just radio.

      Just this week, the anti-monopoly watchdog in the Netherlands seized some company records of Mojo, who organise about 90% of all large gigs in this country. I was surprised to learn that ClearChannel now apparently owns a goodly chunk of Mojo, although a spokesman vehemently denied that 'America' had their fingers in the day-to-day operation of Mojo.
      • Re:ClearChannel (Score:5, Insightful)

        by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:05PM (#8352035)
        Clear Channel's modus operandi doesn't exactly call for a political view or day-to-day control over anything, they just want all the profits. They distribute a wide range of radio personalites including Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Art Bell, Jim Rome, Carson Daly, Rick Dees and Ryan Seacrest among the biggest names.

        The only reason why right-wing talkers outnumber left-wing talkers is simply because the right-wingers tend to get better ratings. (That doesn't need to mean people agree with the right-wingers... a talk show host who says stupid things argues with all of the tons of callers telling him he's wrong can still be a ratings hit.)

        Clear Channel is unabashed in what they do. They're not here to inform. They're not here to entertain. They're here to get people to listen to ads, get people to look at their outdoor billboards, and get people to buy tickets to their concerts. The company exists to make money, and that's the bottom line.
    • Allowing neighbourhood radio station, will detoriate the quality on frequencies that ClearChannel has control over.

      CC WILL fight it. They will use such quack claims that you repeated despite the fact that they hold no water.

      If there were a "frequency fight", 5W radio stations are simply overpowered by 50,000W transmitters.

      It is in the best interests of the small guys to have frequencies that don't conflict with existing users, and I think the FCC would set those frequencies for said reasons.
    • by Nakito ( 702386 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:22PM (#8352171)
      ClearChannel will not let go without a fight.

      That is correct. The only thing that has happened so far is a recommendation to Congress. So think it through. If this recommendation even begins to move forward at all, what will be the result? First there will be lobbying of the members of Congress. On one side, there will be a well-funded campaign of professional lobbyists with inside connections, paid for by an industry that has an enormous stake in maintaining the status quo. On the other side will be . . . essentially nothing. There is no substantial advocacy group, no substantial funding, no substantial organization on the other side. Are you going to pull out your checkbook to support this recommendation? Are you going to contact your congressional representatives? Of course not. This is not going to happen, ever.
  • It seems like the reason you shouldn't be allowed to broadcast is clear, you'll cut into profits.

    Big corporations don't want you to transimit over their signal as they'll loose audience and hence, revenue. But that hasn't stopped most people before.

    The interesting thing will be when the RIAA starts suing people for broadcasting their music.
  • Neighborhood radio (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ak_hepcat ( 468765 ) <slashdotNO@SPAMakhepcat.com> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:21PM (#8351754) Homepage Journal
    This seems like it would be a no-brainer, but I'm glad they're finally waking up to hear the radio.

    I played around with broadcast back in my college days, and had some fun, especially knowing that the odds of somebody actually listening in were fairly remote ("free pizza to the next caller!" ... tick...tick...tick..)

    And with the size of my CD collection (as well as free MP3's from various places) I think it would be fun to set up a random genre station. Or, as my friends and I have talked about, a mobile station, for when we're taking long road trips.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:28PM (#8351798)
      Mobile station? Did that, several times.

      TV production company I worked for used to take the mobile production truck on long trips. We bought a stereo FM transmitter [ramseyelectronics.com], used an existing mixer, had headsets, and played our personal MP3 collections. We'd put somebody's cell number on a poster on the side of the truck with the frequency we were broadcasting on, and took requests. We chattered like (bad) DJ's, sang along, and talked to those around us listening. We even put a wireless mike in the chase car, so we could all play along.

      Our range was typically about 1/2 mile, so we rarely had more than 3 or 4 cars listening. I tell ya, though, it was a real hoot getting that first request!

      Posted anonymously to protect the guilty.
    • But what are the implications of this, you broadcasting your CD collection to the public air?

      On most CDs you own, you can find this message:

      Unauthorized copying, public performance, broadcasting, or rental of this recording is prohibited.

      Emphasis mine, of course.

      While the FCC's recommendation to Congress regarding low-power FM is a really good thing, we won't be able to make a playlist of our favourite records and light up the neighbourhood, since most records' legal errata prohibit this.
      • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:33PM (#8351838)
        Oh, you can, you just have to pay statutory royalties based on a formula laid out in the law. Since it's a statutory license, the copyright owner doesn't get any say, that performance is authorized.

        And another funny little quirk. If you truely have no listners, then the statutory license is free because it'd produce a multiplication by zero in the formula. :)
      • Not a problem...Broadcast non RIAA music only, but then there's ASCAP.
    • Just because they are opening the channels back up to the people wont mean you can broadcast your MP3 collection..

      That's still a ASCAP issue, as rebroadcast with out a license is still illegal.. And if you can afford that, you can afford a 'real' broadcaster's license + equipment.

      But you can make your own music, or have 24/7 talk radio...

  • Awesome! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by da3dAlus ( 20553 ) <dustin.grau@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:22PM (#8351756) Homepage Journal
    If this works, small stations like WGHR [spsu.edu] would have a chance to get back on the air. Yes, I'm plugging my old college radio station that just got forced off the Atlanta airwaves in the past year, due to the lack of spectrum real estate. It was one of the last remaining Class D stations, but due to recent purchases of several new stations in the area by Susquehanna and Clear Channel, there has been no place left to go. But now the internet has become the only home for the station. Please help support them!
    • Re:Awesome! (Score:3, Informative)

      by ahuimanu ( 237298 )
      This is scary. The student body and the community deserve the right to have such alternative voices and it is part of the FCC's mission to do so.

      I have another thread here where I sing the merits of a Hawaii station - KTUH - which is college radio. On the island of Kauai, they have KKCR, Kauai Community Radio, http://www.kkcr.org/ [kkcr.org] which I had the pleasure of direct exposure to (they have an online feed as well). THIS STATION is what "community radio" is all about.

      If normal people in the United States d
  • by drachenstern ( 160456 ) <drachenstern@gmail.com> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:23PM (#8351764) Journal
    "After significant expense by the taxpayers, the scientists have reported on the same laws of physics that have always existed," deputy director Cheryl Leanza said. "These tiny radio stations are no threat to the current broadcast system. It is now time for Congress to take action based on that analysis."

    anyone else notice this portion? makes you wonder who actually expected the laws of physics to bend to the whims of lawmakers and lobbyists?

    okay, now flag me as a troll

    thanks
    • makes you wonder who actually expected the laws of physics to bend to the whims of lawmakers and lobbyists?

      Clear Channel for one. NPR doesn't like community radio either. They pushed for the restrictions, also
    • These tiny radio stations are no threat to the current broadcast system
      Here's the only thing that matters. These tiny stations are no threat to the current system, either physically or economically.
      Clear Channel doesn't give a damn, you can't touch them. You and your vast army of geeks can't touch them, and they know it.
      I'm all for some area "flavor" on the FM band, but don't think for a second that it's going to touch the bottom line for CC.

  • Coolness! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by toiletsalmon ( 309546 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:24PM (#8351769) Journal
    This is one of those really cool things I used to think about as a kid, but in light of all the turmoil being caused by, Kazaa, the **AA, et al, I just can't get that excited about it.

    Untill we get this Intellectual Property "saga" sorted out, we can pretty much count on any cool uses for tech like this being brought in through the "front door" getting the political axe.
    • There are lots of unsigned artists to put on the air. I think ASCAP is probably going to step on some toes to keep them off however. They also have a big stake in the status quo. I would worry about them more than the RIAA. The musician's union(whatever they're called) might have something to say about this, also
    • Re:Coolness! (Score:3, Informative)

      by RevMike ( 632002 )

      Untill we get this Intellectual Property "saga" sorted out, we can pretty much count on any cool uses for tech like this being brought in through the "front door" getting the political axe.

      There are no IP issues with operating a bona fide radio station. More accurately, the issues have long been worked out. Broadcast royalties for virtually all music other than your local garage bands are covered by ASCAP [ascap.com]. A commercial station that primarily plays music and has gross revenue under $50,000 per year ne

  • Sure they do.... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tiwason ( 187819 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:24PM (#8351770)
    As they continue to shut down stations and refuse to give out licenses ??

    FCC sues to shut down rfb [reformer.com]

    http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102%257E886 0%257E1965359,00.html
  • by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:26PM (#8351775) Journal
    Clear Channel's attempt to keep restrictions where they are, if not to increase them. They probably would use some lame excuse about maintaining the value of their broadcast license. Taxi drivers in Chicago said the same thing, trying to stop the city from permitting more taxis to operate in the city. They wanted to maintain the value of their medallions, which costed up to 40,000 usd.
  • Cool (Score:5, Funny)

    by Bruha ( 412869 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:26PM (#8351787) Homepage Journal
    Now I just need some BlackJack bubblegum and some old records and I can become HarryHardon!
  • by polv0 ( 596583 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:29PM (#8351809)
    With narrow bandwidth, limited geographic reach and poor sound quality, why haven't the alternatives to FM radio caught on? There is satellite radio, cable radio, internet radio, yet all combined the size of their audiences pale in comparison to those of good old FM, a technology that hasn't changed for decades.

    While advancing leaps and bounds in personal mp3 players, are we skipping the next generation of broadcasted music?
    • Because satellite radio isn't free, cable radio requires cables, and internet radio doesn't scale (and requires an internet connection).
    • by gerardrj ( 207690 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:44PM (#8351909) Journal
      There are several reasons radio is still the dominant player:

      1. ubiquity: every car comes from he factory with an radio, you can get a radio for $3 that runs on a single battery
      2. simplicity. There's no special antennas, just turn on and tune in.
      3. price. AM and FM radio are free (via commercials) and do not require any monthly subscription
      4. mobility. You can't take streaming internet radio with you easily
      5. locality. radio is community based, if something happens in the area you can get alerts, news, weather. That's not easy to do with satellite or internet streams which are "one size fits all".

      When you can get a satellite radio reciever for less than $10 that fits in your pocket with no external antenna and runs for hours if not days on a standard 9v battery, then it will give tower based radio a run for the money.

      I find it ironic that many people complain about the homoginization of radio due to companies like Clear Channel, but think that satellite is a better option. If anything, satellite is an even worse case if you want diversification in broadcasting.
    • Sound Quality (Score:5, Informative)

      by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:50PM (#8351957) Homepage
      Broadcast FM can have excellent sound quality. The reason that most stations sound like shit is the management's desire to sound "louder" than every other station on the dial.
  • by nil5 ( 538942 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:30PM (#8351818) Homepage
    I've been doing this for a while, and I've known a few guys to get busted, but mostly it's unenforceable as it is. Why not make the law reflect that?

    If you chose to operate an FM transmitter outside these parameters, you would be considered a "pirate" in the eyes of the FCC, and you can be discovered, even though these rules are enforced unevenly. Sometimes a 1 watt station goes unnoticed by local licensed broadcasters, so a complaint is never filed and the FCC never finds out about it. Anecdotally, we have also heard of cases where FCC agents have turned a blind eye to 1 to 3 watt stations, if it seemed like they were not bothering any licensed broadcasters. At this level, despite operating at up to 75 times the legal limit, the actual power is so minuscule that the agent decided not to pursue the case. (This is akin to a cop pulling you over for speeding, but deciding to not give you the ticket because they think you're cute. You may be able to get away with it, but let no one fool you into thinking that it is actually legal.)

    Some members of Prometheus Radio Radio Project were involved in pirate broadcasting. We did this because we believed that the broadcast regulations of this country are fundamentally unfair. We ran great community radio stations in defiance of the wealth-based structure of our broadcast system. The FCC eventually confiscated our stations, but announced that they had gotten the message of our -civil disobedience and that they were going to create a legalized low power fm radio service. We decided to stop pirating and work with the FCC to build a permanent new community radio service for this country. There is still a movement of unlicensed pirate stations that continues to operate in defiance of the broadcast regulations, which truthfully have only gotten slightly better as a result of LPFM. Morally we are sympathetic to these operations, but from a practical standpoint we do not devote our work to assisting them. We focus our efforts on the stations that are going to be able to become permanent fixtures in their communities, that are able to serve diverse communities because no one needs to worry about having their door busted down for operating without a license.
    • I can't say that I've ever run crosswise of the FCC but I don't think I would want to. As an amateur radio operator (W5DCC), I read the AARL web site regularly and they run letters from the FCC on who's breaking the rules. Given the letters they publish are mostly related to the amateur bands and citizens band. I can recall one gentleman who received a rather harsh punishment (read jail time) for running large wattage (50-100 watt) transmitters in CB.

      I understand that you're talking about 1 watt or ther
  • Lucky you... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Trracer ( 210292 )
    I just wish they would do the same in Sweden. They just issued a recall of those cool JOS mp3-players with builtin FM-transmitters even tho they come disabled.
  • by eclectro ( 227083 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:32PM (#8351830)

    The people who own congress in this area, NPR and NAB, will not let this happen.

    They will haul out their so-called "engineers" that will prove that a 10 watt station interferes with the 100,000 watt station up on the hill. They will drag out their old engineering papers that contradict everything that the FCC has documented. As if the FCC engineers never went to grade school. And a congress person will then have an excuse to throw a wrench in the works. This will happen at the last moment, by attaching a rider to the omnibus funding bill, just like before.

    Just remember, you're pledge money is going to buy off a senator somewhere.

  • FCC spacing rules (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nerw ( 622934 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:35PM (#8351853)
    A few critical points to consider here:

    1. What the FCC is proposing - allowing low-power FM stations to locate just three channels away from full-power signals, instead of four channels as is now required - is status quo in most of the world. In Toronto, for instance, a high-power CBC transmitter on 94.1 at the CN Tower coexists just fine with a newer signal on 93.5 just a few blocks away at First Canadian Place. In other parts of the world, spacing is even tighter and yet it still works. London has signals stacked up at 105.2, 105.6, 106.0 and 106.4 with no problems.

    2. What the FCC is proposing is already status quo in the U.S., albeit with a catch. Translator stations - signals of up to 250 watts that are only allowed to relay other stations and cannot originate their own programming - are governed by a different set of rules that allow them, in some cases, to nestle up as close as second-adjacent to (0.4 MHz away from) full-power signals. And the FCC recently had a filing window in which it received several thousand applications for such translators, the vast majority of them from a small handful of religious broadcasting networks that will feed them by satellite from Idaho and California. How does this benefit local listeners? You tell me...

    3. Very little of what the FCC does is about engineering. Everything the FCC does is about politics, even the engineering parts. It has always been thus.

    Scott Fybush - NorthEast Radio Watch [fybush.com]

    • Re:FCC spacing rules (Score:4, Informative)

      by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:53PM (#8351970)
      2. What the FCC is proposing is already status quo in the U.S., albeit with a catch. Translator stations - signals of up to 250 watts that are only allowed to relay other stations and cannot originate their own programming - are governed by a different set of rules that allow them, in some cases, to nestle up as close as second-adjacent to (0.4 MHz away from) full-power signals. And the FCC recently had a filing window in which it received several thousand applications for such translators, the vast majority of them from a small handful of religious broadcasting networks that will feed them by satellite from Idaho and California. How does this benefit local listeners? You tell me...

      So as much as it's cool to bash a mega-company on this site, it's not really Clear Channel who is trying to kill off LPFM, it's the religious broadcasters who are booking up all of the free slots on the dial so that LPFM can't get them.

      Clear Channel really doesn't have to lift a finger. These religious groups are doing everything it takes to kill off LPFM all by themselves.
      • But far be it from the slashdot crowd to understand this. Rule number one of leftist trolling -- mention a big Texas company tied to Bush, preferably Halliburton, but Clear Channel will do in a pinch.

        People seem to misunderstand what's going on here -- first, basically, if you're *not* a religious outlet, you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting an LPFM license, ever. Second, these stations, being non-commercial do not compete with commercial stations. Arbitron will not take ratings on them. Thi
    • Re:FCC spacing rules (Score:5, Interesting)

      by zentec ( 204030 ) <zentec @ g m ail.com> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:07PM (#8352044)
      Adjacent channel interferrence of any sort of concerning magnitude isn't going to be caused by WXXX's transmitter being too close to WYYY's. These days, many broadcasters share not only the same tower facility, but many dump their power into the same antenna.

      Yes, if you drive your vehicle by a large community antenna site, you're likely to hear all sorts of hash on your receiver. But that's a rx desense problem, not one of adjacent channel interference.

      Adjacent channel interference of an FM signal at 100% modulation (where all the energy is in the sidebands and not the carrier) is a result of the discriminator of an FM receiver. The sidebands of the adjacent station are spilling over into the passband of the receiver trying to tune another channel. The preferred method of keeping this under control is indeed distance; but it's a distance of 80-120 miles, not just a few blocks! That's why you'll see nearby markets having their channels "interleaved" (like Detroit and Toledo).

      You're correct in that the FCC tightly controls the channel spacing between communities because adjacent channel interference is very hard to correct without directional antennas (which induce multipath) or power restrictions, or both.

      The instance of where having WXXX's transmitter location many city blocks away from WYYY's is in intermodulation product mitigation. But even then the perferred method is inserting notch filters to keep the mixing products out of the PA cavity of the transmitter.

      Ironically, the installations I've seen and worked on that have the least amount of intermod problems are the ones dumping as many as 4 stations into a single antenna. The hybrid-combiner systems all use bandpass filtering that pretty much kill anything but the desired signal going in the desired direction. But again, these are intermod problems, not adjacent channel interference problems.
  • Ummmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Zaffo ( 755234 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:42PM (#8351895)
    What's to keep ClearChannel from buying low-power stations? I mean, granted, in most situations such stations aren't significant enough to even bother, but I can see how they'd have incredible commercial potential in key metropolitan areas. A four- to seven-mile range in places like Boston or Miami... how would ClearChannel *not* want a piece of that?
    • Re:Ummmm... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by codepunk ( 167897 )
      Go look up the regulation, HP broadcasting and media
      companies are prohibited from obtianing a LPFM license. While that makes perfect sense the clause that prohibits a private individual is just plain wrong. As well as the private individual using his LPFM for commercial purposes.
    • Same reason why CC hasn't gone buying up full power NPR affiliates. LPFM stations by definition are all non-commercial. Without the ability to play full-strength commericals, Clear Channel sees no reason to care...
  • Here in San Diego... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    the local College radio isn't even radio -- it's /internet/ radio!

    Since we're near the border, the frequencies available are cut in half (half for the US, half for Mexico, mas o menos). This isn't a problem for CC, etc, though; they just go buy a (much more high powered) station in Mexico and send their signals all the way to LA. Meanwhile, /educational/ radio is left w/o the possibility of an audience.

    p.s. wasn't there a LPFM proposal like 4 years ago!? (didn't congress strike it down/ignore it?)
  • Good News (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gatton ( 17748 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:43PM (#8351901)
    I love this guy:

    "Local radio listeners should not be subjected to the inevitable interference that would result from shoehorning more stations onto an already overcrowded radio dial," spokesman Dennis Wharton said.

    As if what they're broadcasting is preferable to static. I love the idea that this will give more people a voice. Of course when you start giving out freedoms you have to give them to the weirdos too but that's a small price to pay.

  • ...less of an issue with HD radio out right? I just got an add from Kenwood promoting their HD Radio receiver. So if AM/FM is now broadcast digitally encoded then you should either get 100% clear or not right?
    • Not really. The "HD Radio" system the US is adopting (which is, in good US fashion, a completely different and incompatible system from what the rest of the world, Canada included, is using) depends on being able to use the adjacent frequency space on either side of the existing analog signal. So a signal on 94.7, let's say, that currently occupies 94.6-94.8 MHz will now spread out from 94.4-95.0 MHz, give or take. (The way the system is designed, it can recover a usable digital signal even if it can only h
  • I know for our local market at least there is NO open channels..

    We are packed wall to wall..

    Found this out trying to use one of those little 'mp3 to fm' transmitters.. we don't have any dead air..

    But its a nice idea, letting the people express themselves and exercise their constitutional right of free speech.. and with the UHF 'public' tv channels going away soon, its only fair we have some outlet..
  • by codepunk ( 167897 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @06:58PM (#8351991)
    LPFM stations are available to noncommercial educational entities and public safety and transportation organizations, but are not available to individuals or for commercial operations. Current broadcast licensees with interests in other media (broadcast or newspapers) are not eligible to obtain LPFM stations.

    Now why on earth is it for non-commercial operation. Why can't I as a private citizen set up a radio station and sell advertising? Well I guess I know the reason for that (corporate interests). Now limiting HP broadcasting or media companys ability to do this makes perfect sense.
  • It sounds like unusually open-minded thinking by the FCC.

    Unfortunately I can't imagine anything like that happening in the UK, the RA / DTI love their strangle-hold a little too much here.
  • by Bewray ( 523407 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:00PM (#8352002)
    If Congress adopts the FCC's recommendations, it will loosen the stranglehold that companies like ClearChannel have on the airwaves.

    ClearChannel has a stranglehold? If you live in the US is there a single, non public channel that isn't controlled by ClearChannel?

    A list of ClearChannel stations [clearchannel.com].

    Stranglehold? Nah!
    • by JUSTONEMORELATTE ( 584508 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:06PM (#8352039) Homepage
      There's a reporter (for an NPR affiliate) who was waiting for the FCC hearings last year on Clear Channel's plans to expand into yet-another-market. The hearings were closed-door, so the reporters were all waiting in the hallway outside. When the Clear Channel rep came through, he introduced himself to the reporters and asked if anyone had questions before he went in.
      The reporter asked if he planned to use all the chairs, or just one.
  • by wytcld ( 179112 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @07:03PM (#8352025) Homepage
    Since I'm just out of range of RFB [www.rfb.fm] I was just scanning through the FM dial to find anything at all to listen to while the NH and VT public radio stations run their news drones. With a high-end receiver I got maybe 10 other stations, all on the same continuum from country to rock. The public interest simply isn't served by having more than three of these stations - the playlists overlap so completely that any three of 'em would be sufficient to rotate the entire playlist of all ten a couple times a week, at least. So what's this crap doing on my airwaves, when there are people literally ready to volunteer both time and transmitters to put better stuff up in the spaces between, or even right in its place?

    If spectrum is so limited, why is it filled so redundantly with the same junk? When there's a true shortage of something, it's human nature to use it more carefully.
    • by RevMike ( 632002 ) <revMike@@@gmail...com> on Saturday February 21, 2004 @10:03PM (#8353128) Journal
      If spectrum is so limited, why is it filled so redundantly with the same junk? When there's a true shortage of something, it's human nature to use it more carefully.

      Do yourself a favor and find a copy of "FM: The Rise and Fall of Rock Radio" by Richard Neer. It'll answer the question. I'll try to summarize...

      Once, due to both inertia and quirks in regulation, radio stations were cheap. Since they were cheap, a radio station owner could get a nice return by targeting a niche market. Management didn't care if they were number 1, in the middle of the pack, or at the bottom in terms of ratings. Everyone could still make a decent return on their investment.

      Then, regulations were changed. Radio stations became expensive. The old owners all sold out and made huge profits. The new owners now needed to justify the huge prices they paid. No one could afford to run a station aimed at a niche market. Everyone needed to compete for the maximum ratings.

      The radio station that was, for instance, fiftenth in the ratings looked at what the number one radio station was doing and thought "If we did the same thing, maybe we could be number one." Everyone started changing formats like wild. Diversity disappeared. Radio became a wasteland.

      Today a commercial radio station can't afford to play anything that isn't main stream. Ownership put serious money on the line to buy the station, now they need to see profits to go with that investment. That money only comes from having a big audience.

  • Yeah, sure. We'll support you, but we're also going to let IBOC DAB suck up all your frequency. Heh.

    In-band on channel my ass.



  • I've been waiting for something like this - Grateful Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic, etc will be playing 24x7 in my area /w just an occasional break for station ID. No song titles, no nothing, just live shows rolling non stop :-)

  • "Talk Hard!" --Pump up the volume.

    I love that movie. Always made me want to get my own little FM broadcast station.
  • This came up once before, but it was shot down in mid run. My area had 14 allowances for low power fm stations and I was waiting for the day to put in my application.

    Unless things have significanly changed, the previous rules were not for a "Music" based radio station. Think solely talk radio. So, before you could not pay your ASCAP, BMI and any other fees to fire up a low cost low power neighborhood radio station.

    It was justa more powerful version of the existing rules for amateur fm.

    Anyone can grab a v
  • As discussed on slashdot before - http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/14/165722 5&mode=thread

    The FCC has had this report for quite some time. Especially in an election year don't look for your friendly neighborhood congress-critter to upset the NAB.
  • by hoovs ( 44014 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @08:12PM (#8352506) Homepage
    As mentioned in the story, the FCC started this process several years ago, but congress stopped it. Why?

    The National Association of Broadcasters, however, went nuts over this idea. They lobbied congress hard, and circulated what they thought radio would sound like with all the added stations. The cds they pushed on uninformed congressmen wildly exagrated any problem and the idea was quickly killed.

    One of the things that really angered me about this (and still does) is the fact that NPR fell in step with the NAB. The reasoning for this I can only assume is the fact that listeners of low-power fm would probably come from NPR's listener base and not from some crappy top-40 station. Realizing the possible loss of revenue (fewer pledge drive contributions) NPR acted in this reactionary manner. (I should note that I still support my local NPR stations, but not as happily as previously.)

    Hopefully, congress will listen to the FCC on this instead of lobbyists for the NAB. The electro-magnetic spectrum is a public resource. If the public is not getting anything useful from the currently liscensed stations and are being blocked by these same stations when the public attempts to coexist with them, I say we take some of the spectrum back -- and now.

  • by akb ( 39826 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @08:32PM (#8352646)
    The article doesn't mention that this would allow thousands of these low power stations to go on the air as opposed to the hundreds under the current guidelines. The findings were exactly what the FCC originally recommended but the commercial broadcasters purchased a Congressional override (with NPR's support).

    For this to pass pressure will have to be put on Congress. Its only a recommendation from the FCC, Congress will have to pass legislation to recind their original overriding of the FCC. The Senate will probably be ok, McCain is chairman of the Commerce Committee that has purview.

    The house is more of a problem. Billy Tauzin from Louisana, chairman of the Commerce Committee, is one of the most corrupt industry shills you'll ever come across, the MPAA wanted him as their replacement for Valenti. Also, if you live in Michigan, the ranking Democrat on that Committee, John Dingell, was against LPFM last time, he needs to hear from you.

    Please let your Congress critters know how you feel about this. Its one of the most blatant examples of big corporations stomping the little guy. Media consolidation and the state of radio has been in the news, so there's a small window of opportunity to put thousands of neighborhood radio stations on the air if you contact Congress.
  • by Kunta Kinte ( 323399 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @09:01PM (#8352787) Journal
    If you're thinking about starting your own radio station, or just curious about the issues involved check-out http://www.radio4all.org/ [radio4all.org]
  • by johnpaul191 ( 240105 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @09:11PM (#8352837) Homepage
    just last week there was a story in Sunday's Philadelphia Inquirer (that you can read here) [philly.com] about how Radio One is sinking WHHS 107.9 FM [whhs.org]Havertown PA. WHHS is a 14 watt high-school station that has been a student station broadcasting on FM since 1949. For those of you that don't know, that's about how long FM has been around. The story talks about some new commercial station Radio One wants to put up in Jersey-hell and it would infect the Philadelphia region. WHHS and its class-d educational license is no match for the big bucks Class-A commercial station (even if it doesn't exist yet) so they must pack it in. There is a chance WHHS will find a new chunk of airwaves, but the Philadelphia market is #4 in the USA and incredibly packed. It's a shame when some new fly by night format piece of junk can kill off educational stations like this. I guess community stations are nothing compared to another station playing top 40 crap.
    • Even RTFA'ing won't give you the whole story on this one, so here goes:

      Radio One's not the guilty party here. They didn't apply for the "new" 107.9 station in Pennsauken NJ; they just bought it from the guy who figured out how to squeeze it onto the dial. (The station isn't really new at all - it's being moved from Bridgeton NJ, where it's been operating on 107.7, and earlier on 98.9, since 1948.)

      The rules are the rules. As a class D (10-watt) station, WHHS is considered a secondary service to higher-po

  • by MsGeek ( 162936 ) on Saturday February 21, 2004 @11:39PM (#8353567) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps KBLT, one of the best damn radio stations ever to broadcast in Los Angeles, will be able to legitimize and go back on the air. KBLT was a pirate radio station, but it was much beloved by the folks in Silverlake, Echo Park, Hollywood and Downtown LA who were within range.

    At this point the only hope for good radio in Los Angeles is KXLU 88.9 out of Loyola Marymount University. KROQ sucks and has sucked for most of its lifespan, and Indie which holds the space Mars FM and Groove Radio used to take up is a Clear Channel station.

    Maybe with low-power radio licenses *finally* making it out there, we might hear a little diversity. Maybe Valley College's station KVCM might even get some people listening to it. It's been on Adelphia Cable for years now but you can't listen to cable radio in your car or on your Walkman.

    I wonder how much it costs to set up one of these low-power radio stations? I mean, KBLT wasn't exactly run by rich people...
    • I wonder how much it costs to set up one of these low-power radio stations?

      Depends on how much equipment you have in the first place, and how much manpower you are willing to put in...

      You could probably get a fairly powerful FM broadcaster and antenna for $500. The in-studio stuff is what will cost you.

      Multiple microphones... A pair (at least) of easily programmable CD jukeboxes, or perhaps a few computers instead (rip songs, make playlists)... A good sound board so you can mix all these channels of s

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