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Delorean Time Machine Replica Up For Auction 431

PunkerTFC writes "I'm sure most of you remember the movie Back To The Future. Well, now you have a chance to own your very own 1982 Delorean, fully equipped for time travel. It has a "Flux Capacitor", "Time Circuits" and "exterior Flux Dispersion Banding". This thing is clearly a chick magnet, and if you can't get them on the first pass, you can always crank it up to 88 mph and go back in time to try it again! Seriously though, this car is amazing, definitely worth a look to see the details. Nothing has been missed, and my hat goes off to the builder."
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Delorean Time Machine Replica Up For Auction

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  • Mr. Fusion? (Score:5, Funny)

    by grahamlee ( 522375 ) <grahamNO@SPAMiamleeg.com> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:37AM (#8937260) Homepage Journal
    This baby lacks a Mr. Fusion. I take it that the car also doesn't fly for use in 2015... :-(. Oh well, whoever buys it has much happy modding ahead of them!
    • by Lussarn ( 105276 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:00AM (#8937370)
      This baby lacks a Mr. Fusion.
      Time to call the libyans. I'm going to send them a bomb full of pinball parts.
    • by Catiline ( 186878 ) <akrumbach@gmail.com> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:32AM (#8937460) Homepage Journal
      No, no, no!!! The obvious lack of a Mr. Fusion is a good thing!

      It means you can beg off giving rides through time because Homeland Security has made it impossible to obtain enough Plutonium!

      With a Mr. Fusion you'd just have to give some lamer, cheap excuse....
      • With a Mr. Fusion you'd just have to give some lamer, cheap excuse....

        Like "I never thought ahead to convert my flying time machine to run on an electric engine instead of this antiquated internal combustion engine"? What kind of scientist was Doc Brown anyway.. he couldn't think of that? I imagine electric engines would be VERY common in a time when you can buy a little conversion kit called Mr. Fusion to supply gigawatts of electric power to a car. Even still, you'd think he could've built an electri

        • Re:Mr. Fusion? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by peragrin ( 659227 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:04AM (#8937576)
          Just to be even more lame than you :-)

          My vechile is the soon to be out Ford Escape Hybrid. That way I can use Mr Fusion to bypass the gas engine when ever I want. Also the off-road is needed when travelling back to 1885.

          An EV1 as no ground clearance for those old west dirt paths

        • Re:Mr. Fusion? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by LightningTH ( 151451 )
          Here is the fun part, if you watch the first movie, you'll notice the tail pipes are missing. It also has an odd sound when it starts up, as if something electrical turned on. It was suppose to have a nuclear engine in it.

          They then did the 3rd movie, and needed a way to have the car break down, so the combustion engine came back.
    • by portwojc ( 201398 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:42AM (#8937497) Homepage
      Well that would be an upgrade accesory kit along with the hover conversion. I'm sure if you ask nicely you can find out what year you need to visit for the update.
  • by Hekatchu ( 684465 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:39AM (#8937268)
    Somehow I've got a feeling Steve Ballmer is going to buy that thing too.
  • good job. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:40AM (#8937271)
    way to fuck up a perfectly nice and rare car.
    • by PepsiProgrammer ( 545828 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:41AM (#8937281)
      At least it isnt a ricer.
    • Re:good job. (Score:5, Informative)

      by ValourX ( 677178 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:40AM (#8937491) Homepage

      It's not that rare. You can buy a brand new DeLorean from the DMC [delorean.com]. Only runs about 30 grand -- not too bad for a "Rare" car, eh?

      -Jem
    • Re:good job. (Score:3, Informative)

      by p4ul13 ( 560810 )
      R'ing TFA, I was pleased to see "All of the interior and exterior Time Machine components were made to last, but at the same time not damage the integrity of the original vehicle."

      Otherwise I'd quickly agree with you. On the other hand, I think doing something like this would be the main idea behind me ever buying a Delorian anyway.

  • Try again? (Score:5, Funny)

    by nmoog ( 701216 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:40AM (#8937272) Homepage Journal
    This thing is clearly a chick magnet, and if you can't get them on the first pass, you can always crank it up to 88 mph and go back in time to try it again!
    Sorry, but if your cup of poison is building a replica of nerd car from a movie from the 80's, then its going to take more than a few trips back in time to score with a chick...
    • by luminea ( 594672 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:44AM (#8937301)
      Speaking as a chick...if you've got the ability to travel back through time, let me tell you: you are hot. Dead sexy, even. Alas, replicas just don't do it for me. But it's still pretty cute...
    • by nmoog ( 701216 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:46AM (#8937313) Homepage Journal
      Unless of course you go back in time to your childhood, put a pair of headphones on yourself from the past, played yourself Korn until you scared your shelf shitless and convinced yourself to smash your C64 and kick your little eating-peanut-butter-from-the-jar habbit.

      Ofcourse, if you could do that you most likely wouldnt be reading this. Best not to mess with the space time continueum I guess.
    • Re:Try again? (Score:3, Insightful)

      by MacroRex ( 548024 )
      Don't forget that you'll have to fight one more of your previous instances every time you try again. However, they are YOU so it'll be easy to exploit their weak spots. Oh, wait...
    • Yeah lol. I almost spillt my coffee when I read that. Nerdy car? Chick magnet? Which planet do you live on mate? Hahahaha... Best of luck in finding a girl - you'll need it.

      Daniel
    • But when he travels back in time surely be his old self will still be asking out the girl (with rejection inevitable)? So he's gonna be competing for the love of a woman with himself?

      Unless, he travels back in time to 5 minutes after the initial rejection. No wait, that would mean the girl would say 'But you just asked me out 5 minutes ago, can't you take no for an answer?'

      So I guess he'd have to travel back to a point in time before the previous attempt to ask out the girl. The only trouble with tha
  • by ZaMoose ( 24734 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:40AM (#8937274)
    Great Scott!

    There. Now I've gotten that out of my system.
  • Corrections (Score:5, Funny)

    by SimianOverlord ( 727643 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:40AM (#8937275) Homepage Journal
    This thing is clearly a chick magnet, and if you can't get them on the first pass, you can always crank it up to 88 mph and go back in time to try it again!

    Please use phrases in the story outline the average slashdotter can understand. All this talk of "chicks" and making a "pass" is incomprehensible gobbledegook to the average Slashdot nerd. Though "you can always crank it" is perfectly OK.

    P.S. The birds won't be impressed by a replica DeLorean, just like they were probably unimpressed with a glow in the dark TRON costume. Except that hacker goth chick Raven.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:41AM (#8937280)
    What a pity Deloreans never came into the full success they deserved.

    Stainless steel body that couldn't rust. Light, efficient and well designed midmount engine. Gullwing doors. Brilliant weighting and suspension that were 10 years ahead of what was in anything but supercars...

    The fact that so many great ideas start off in this country and are killed before they can get the success they deserve is what's driving america down the drain
    • Actually I heard that it didn't sell so well because it had relatively underpowered engine for the market.
    • In the end, things die because they are ahead of their time. It's human nature, I think. We as a whole are not made for revolutionary steps, just small evolutionary ones.
      I would say "Welcome to the post-modern time", but it is supposed to be over.
    • by Alioth ( 221270 ) <no@spam> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:46AM (#8937309) Journal
      Driving *America* down the drain? The Delorean was designed and manufactured in Northern Ireland!
      • Don't let misplaced chest-beating, flag-waving American "patiotism" get in the way of facts. You must be incorrect.
    • by jobbegea ( 748685 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:51AM (#8937335)
      Don't forget that stainless steel won't rust, but stains very easily just by touching it. Also, the doors of the DeLorean did leak, which is particulary bad if you have gullwing doors.
      • Don't forget that stainless steel won't rust, but stains very easily just by touching it.

        Like many things made for marketing I think. The name is a lot better than the reality. Titanium is COOL when it's on a blackbird (ok actually the stuff gets really hot) and the correct alloy is used for its purpose as an extreme exotic material. Use it on a Powerbook though and it's really just another metal, which dents easily and needs to be painted otherwise it too marks just by touch. But it still sounds cool.

        Li
        • Not on topic at all, but I had to jump in here and point out that a guy named "Amiga Lover" is posting to a thread named "The good technology always dies."

          Just kinda struck me funny.

          Weaselmancer

          PS: I'm an Amiga fan too... I still have a working 500, and a 2000 with a working GVP 120 mb hard drive/8 mg mem card.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:52AM (#8937342)
      Stainless steel doesn't rust, but it will still corrode. It is susceptible to its own special form of decay: crevice corrosion, also known as oxygen starvation. Stainless steel contains significant amounts of chromium, which when exposed to air oxidizes slightly and a thin film of chromium oxide forms, which stops any further oxidation. If exposed to ONLY water, salt or fresh, without the presence of air, this film will not form and stainless steel will corrode, and badly. Salt water is even worse.

      Oxygen starvation happens anytime stainless steel is covered, so anywhere it's in constant contact with other materials the chromium oxide can wear off (admittedly it's tougher than rust there) and corrode. Grommet holes, contact points for suspension and plastic resin extras are all places that the deloreans that have until today are corroded.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      > Stainless steel body that couldn't rust.

      Stainless steel corrodes instead of rusting.

      > Light, efficient and well designed midmount engine.

      Underpowered unreliable engine

      > Gullwing doors.

      Doors incompatible with 75% of parking spaces

      > Brilliant weighting and suspension that were 10 years ahead of
      > what was in anything but supercars...

      Go drive one. They wallow like a boat.

      I think you're a bit too influenced by the image of the car rather than the reality.
      • by LightningTH ( 151451 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:09AM (#8937598)
        I sure hope you are not an owner, I am though so...

        > Stainless steel corrodes instead of rusting.

        Only with certain chemicals

        > Doors incompatible with 75% of parking spaces

        You try opening up a normal car door with only 11 inches of space on the side of the car. Yes, 11 inches of space.

        > Go drive one. They wallow like a boat.

        You must have been in one with a poor suspension, mine is nice. Take some turns at high speed that other cars have to slowdown for due to how low it sits.
      • by ryanwright ( 450832 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @09:12AM (#8938490)
        Doors incompatible with 75% of parking spaces

        LOL... Another wannabe who doesn't know a damn thing about DeLoreans. A typical car door requires something like 40 inches of space to fully open. The DeLorean's gullwing doors, hinged near the center of the car, only swing out 11 inches.

        Next time try some basic research before opening your mouth.
      • Heh, don't laugh at the delorean's doors.

        Open wide [shada.com]

        (Taken from a delorean thread [newbeetle.org] on newbeetle.org)
  • Yep (Score:5, Funny)

    by OriginalChops ( 773524 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:41AM (#8937285)
    Car is amazing... But I think I'll stick to my flying train...
  • by adamofgreyskull ( 640712 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:41AM (#8937286)
    Does anyone know the availability of replacement parts in this time-line? Willing to travel up to 15 years. Cash waiting.
    • I know you're being silly, but IIRC the parts (motor/transmission) are fairly common, and the factory produced *THOUSANDS* of spare body panels before john delorean was framed which are expensive but quite abundant.
  • Yeah.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by HiQ ( 159108 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:43AM (#8937293)
    Imagine that: stepping out of that car in your brand spanking new spandex Tron suite. The girls would be over you like bees on honey...!
    • by Chemisor ( 97276 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @08:32AM (#8938092)
      > stepping out of that car in your brand spanking
      > new spandex Tron suite. The girls would be over
      > you like bees on honey...!

      Unfortunately, if you look closely, you'll see that the girls are all dressed in white and are carrying syringes. You probably won't have much time to conteplate it.
  • VMax (Score:4, Informative)

    by troon ( 724114 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:44AM (#8937300)

    you can always crank it up to 88 mph

    ...if you can get it to 88mph. Those things were heavy (1200kg/2700lb) and underpowered (130bhp), and the build quality was pretty poor. And yes, I have seen one in the flesh.

    • Re:VMax (Score:4, Informative)

      by jeffkjo1 ( 663413 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:56AM (#8937358) Homepage
      Those things were heavy (1200kg/2700lb) and underpowered (130bhp), and the build quality was pretty poor.

      There were problems with some of the original 1981 run that caused them to need extensive work. The kinks got very quickly worked out, however. While you are correct that the vehicle, from a sports car point of view, were overpowered, don't think for a second that the car is on the level of say, Toyota Tercel. The vehicle has a V6 built by Renault-Volvo, and my old Saturn weighed just shy of 2700 lbs. The Saturn also had equal horsepower. It could do 120mph without a problem (so I hear.... cough cough), and Saturns don't have gull wing doors, or a flux capacitor.
      • Re:VMax (Score:3, Informative)

        by bjb ( 3050 ) *
        Probably also worth mentioning that in the movie, the car had a whine sort-of like a turbo charger, which the car did not have. Also, the ripping, gutteral roar of the engine was sampled from another engine, because this V6 sounded (obviously) more like a family car's six (in other words, not a very impressive sound).

        I've driven two different DeLoreans in the past, and no, they're not speed demons. However, they DO look cool as heck.

        You can find a LOT of information on the car at http://delorean.com [delorean.com]. Go

      • Re:VMax (Score:3, Insightful)

        by RESPAWN ( 153636 )
        It's not so much a problem of the top speed attainable. It's a problem of how long it takes to get there. 130hp isn't going to move that car up to 120 very quickly. Certainly not quick enough to be considered a very good sports car. I'd also like to mention that 2700lb is less than ideal for a sports car, but these days most of the "sport cars" produced weigh even more than that, so the weight really isn't that bad by comparison. Still, that's not exactly an ideal power to weight ratio.
    • Re:VMax (Score:3, Informative)

      And yes, I have seen one in the flesh.

      If there is anyone in NZ wanting to see one, there was one in the auto-museam north of Wellington (well there was one last time I looked anyway)
    • Re:VMax (Score:5, Informative)

      by tgd ( 2822 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:26AM (#8937443)
      Having driven one, I can tell you they'll hit 88 without much effort, but they are quite a bit slower than their exotic image would make you think.

      I'm not sure how many people really get it, especially on /. where everyone is pretty young, but the 88mph wasn't a randomly chosen speed. Back when the Deloreans were made and around when the movie was made, US law make all cars have to have an 85mph speedometer. Porsche's, Ferrari's, they all had 85mph speedometers.

      So of course it was (dripping with sarcasm) a big deal for a car to get to 88!
    • Re:VMax (Score:5, Funny)

      by mav[LAG] ( 31387 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:39AM (#8937483)
      Those things were heavy

      Weight has nothing to do with it!

    • Re:VMax (Score:3, Insightful)

      by raynet ( 51803 )
      Humm.. My Volvo 360 weights about 1110kg/2447lb and has only 100bhp but still goes up to 110mph so i'm guessing that this much nicer looking car must go atleast as fast as my bulky car :)
  • If you're in your mid-20's, this car probably means somewhat as much to you as it does to me... I basically have to have that. However, what happens when it gets wet? What if I time-travel and hit a pothole at the same time? That wasn't an issue in the valley, but in the Midwest it sure is! :(
  • old or new? (Score:5, Funny)

    by dragonfly28 ( 466802 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:46AM (#8937317)
    Is this the old one or the new one?
    To put it in different words do I have to feed it plutonium or bananas?

    If it's plutonium then it has too be overpriced, really difficult to get at your local gas station.

    But seriously, nice job man!
    • If it's plutonium then it has too be overpriced, really difficult to get at your local gas station.

      You could try asking any local Libyans - but don't rip them off. I knew this Professor that tried that...

  • The 80's .. (Score:3, Funny)

    by sporty ( 27564 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:49AM (#8937322) Homepage
    The 80's are calling. It wants its fanboy back. Good thing you have that delorian there McFly. :)
  • My goodness (Score:4, Funny)

    by jabbadabbadoo ( 599681 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:50AM (#8937333)
    This guy obviously banged his head in the toilet.
  • by Bricklets ( 703061 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:51AM (#8937334)
    This thing is clearly a chick magnet

    Maybe if you filled the cup holders full of chicken feed.
  • by asbestos_tophat ( 720099 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:00AM (#8937369) Journal
    Why can't this crap stay in the past? =o)



    That's the trouble with time travel, the probable development of a predestination paradox to irritate with outdated hype. ;o)

  • by Anonymous Coward
    The Interceptor of Mad Max is on Ebay! Ford big block, supercharged, the baddest of bad ass movie cars by a long, long way.

    Sheer

    Brutal

    Horsepower
  • Thanks Slashdot, now everry nerd will be watching this. There goes my chances of snipering it on the cheap....
  • That I can't find anyone selling a flux capacitor. 1.21 Jiggawatts? Where the hell am I going to get that kind of power? I mean sure, that lightning rod thing works, but it gets so damn messy every time, PFFFZZZZTT, let alone the scratches on the paintwork and the need to travel during a storm. Pain in the ass, that. Mind you, they might throw in a few plutonium cores, then I'll be hapy. Although let's face it, the damn Libyans are a problem too. Always chasing me with freaking rocket launchers. In hinds
  • they made these things in Belfast (northern ireland) and they handle like shit. i went to school with someone and his father actually owned one (possibly the last one left in the country?), so this is first hand information i heard.

    if it weren't for Back to the Future, i swear they would have all been melted down. i heard the manager of the plant was skimping on materials to finance white powder for his nose at the time... but thats just all rumour.

  • by weiyuent ( 257436 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:16AM (#8937415) Journal

    At inopportune moments, the engine might not start. Especially at around 10:04pm on dark stormy nights.

  • BTTF trivia (Score:5, Informative)

    by ColonBlow ( 120356 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:21AM (#8937427) Journal
    from IMDB, trivia about the Delorean Time Machine:

    # The time machine has been through several variations. In the first draft of the screenplay the time machine was a laser device that was housed in a room. At the end of the first draft the device was attached to a refrigerator and taken to an atomic bomb test. In the third draft of the film the time machine was a DeLorean, but in order to send Marty back to the future the vehicle had to drive the DeLorean into an atomic bomb test.

    # The device originally considered for use as the time travel machine was a refrigerator. Director Robert Zemeckis said in an interview that the idea was scrapped because he and Steven Spielberg did not want children to start climbing into refrigerators and getting trapped inside.

    # The "Mr. Fusion Home Energy Converter", which is sitting on the DeLorean when Doc returns from the future, is made from (among other things) a Krups coffee grinder.

    # The script never called for Marty to repeatedly bang his head on the gull-wing door of the DeLorean; this was improvised during filming as the door mechanism became faulty.

    The DeLorean time machine is a licensed, registered vehicle in the state of California. While the vanity license plate used in the film says "OUTATIME", the DeLorean's actual license plate reads 3CZV657

    When Marty is trying to re-start the DeLorean in 1955 as he prepares to return to 1985, the car's headlights flash the Morse Code for "SOS".

    # The DeLorean used in the trilogy is 1981 model with 6-cylinder PRV engine, and the base for the nuclear reactor was made with hubcap from a Dodge Polaris. It is incorrectly quoted as being a 4 cylinder on the 2002 special edition DVD.
    • Re:BTTF trivia (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Dirtside ( 91468 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @11:02AM (#8939651) Journal
      The DeLorean time machine is a licensed, registered vehicle in the state of California. While the vanity license plate used in the film says "OUTATIME", the DeLorean's actual license plate reads 3CZV657
      I wonder about this. The California license plate sequence wasn't anywhere near 3CZV657 back in 1985. We still had the 2 series in 1990, so either the plate listed is wrong, or the DeLorean wasn't registered until much later (1993 or so), or was reregistered and got new plates. (Nitpick mode off!)
  • by MikeHunt69 ( 695265 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:24AM (#8937434) Journal
    Im going to have to watch back to the future again as I don't remember the car being that ... sucky.
  • by trims ( 10010 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @06:58AM (#8937556) Homepage

    Actually, it's a modified F-350 with a GE jet turbine.

    More information [figmentfly.com]

    As cool as the DMC-based Time Machine is (and I have to admit, the original B-T-T-F movie is a good memory of my teenage years), the whole BB stuff just rocked. Soooo much more wacked, and so much more fun.

    Now, if I can just get Kaneda's Bike [neo-fukuoka.com] from Akira...

    -Erik

  • by Stopmotioncleaverman ( 628352 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:04AM (#8937578)
    It says it's automatic transmission, but I distinctly remember in BTTF, Marty changes gears on the run up to the lightning wire.
    • True, it does state automatic, however, in the pictures you can see it is a manual, and looking at the production info on dmcnews.com, that vin number is marked as a manual.

      However, that car lacks the grooved hood (need a 1981 model for that), and the metal plate where the window switches are is improper for the car (suppose to be 5 switches across, 2 are dummies, with the cigarette lighter located elsewhere).

      Buttons on the steering wheel is also improper.

      I'll stop glancing at photos and nit-picking. i k
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:09AM (#8937599)
    The builder (an architectural designer) of this replica time machine actually only sold it at a public auction for $22,000. Less than the price of a new refurbished DMC-12. The seller is now trying to sell this car for $35,000.
    The frame is badly rusted, and little mechanical work was done to it to ensure its reliability as a driver's car. Not to mention, the electronics were in a large part fabricated by someone without an electronics degree (stainless steel incinerator, anyone?).
    As far as movie accuracy, it's very close, but far from perfect. Many details were left out since this car was built to generate income rather than be accurate to the films.
    There's actually some legal dispute going on right now between the seller and the builder, being that the seller is using the builder's own photos to promote the item, i.e., copyright infringement.
    Most of the comments I've seen so far here about the DeLorean as a car have been pretty misinformed. Stainless does corrode, but only in an environment that lacks oxygen. The chromium forms a protective oxide that protects the carbon steel component from rusting away. Gull-wing doors on it only take about 1 foot of clearance. The engine is heavily based on the Volvo B27 and B28F and was used for many years by them. It has a reliable track record seeing as there are real timing chains, not timing belts, that are used on it, as well as a very accurate, albeit, primitive, mechanical fuel injection.
    While the car itself is not necessarily practical, the concepts behind it are. Can you imagine the reduction in paint fumes released into the environment if every car built was stainless steel? Not to mention, when some jerk comes and keys your car, not only will he destroy his key, but with some sandpaper, you yourself can remove the scratch. I'll admit the car has its flaws, but nothing that can't be corrected by someone knowledgeable about DeLoreans.
  • no way (Score:5, Funny)

    by in4mation ( 652196 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:11AM (#8937609)
    This thing is clearly a chick magnet

    Seriously though, everyone knows that magnets have two poles...and this one is definitely on the repelling side. Chicks will run away so fast that not even a time machine can catch up with them.

  • by scharkalvin ( 72228 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @07:18AM (#8937632) Homepage
    Funny thing about the DeLorean. You can't keep them in lane, they want to drive inbetween lanes (to suck up the white line.....)
  • by brocktune ( 512373 ) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @08:19AM (#8937981) Homepage
    So far, other than big screen flat panel TVs, Robert Zemeckis' vision of the future is not panning out. No flying cars. No Jaws 17. No hovering skateboards.

    Then again, Buck Rogers was supposed to leave on the last of NASA's deep space probes in 1987, the moon was to hurtle out of Earth's orbit in 1999, and the exploration of Jupiter's moons began in 2001.

    Of course, we still have 11 years left. But even if we get Mr. Fusion, who will control the world's supply of banana peels and Old Milwaukee cans that supply its fuel? I say to you now: No Blood for Banana Peels.

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