Pixar's Next Movie: The Incredibles 435
An anonymous reader writes: "The trailer for Pixar's next film, The Incredibles, is on the web. It's available from the official Incredibles site, the Apple trailers page, and Pixar's website. Lots of info on the official page as well! Enjoy!"
Adult films (Score:5, Interesting)
And btw, by 'geared towards adults' I certainly don't mean sex and explosions, that doesn't hurt though if the plot is interesting and supports it.
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I'm no G-Rated wuss when it comes to film taste either. I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, Sam Raimi, and pre-LOTR Peter Jackson, for example. Nonetheless, Pixar can make the kind of movies they want to make and I wish them
Re:Adult films (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, I'd say that 'Finding Nemo' was the least adult movie that Pixar have made. I've watched 'Toy Story 1/2' and 'Monsters Inc' numerous times, but have no great desire to see 'Finding Nemo' again.
Maybe this is why they quit Disney, so their movies weren't dumbed down for kids.
Re:Adult films (Score:3, Insightful)
For me Monsters Inc was the most child-oriented (simplistic) of the bunch. That's not to say that Pixar's worst isn't still above
Uh...are you serious? (Score:4, Insightful)
The whole film is about parenthood. You seriously didn't get that? To a kid, it's a fun flick about colorful fish, but to an adult, it touches on adult emotions as well. I thought Finding Nemo was the most strangely tragic of all their films--the guy loses his wife, all his other kids, and has to raise one all by himsef, and he's freaked out about anything happening to him.
Toy Story 2 touched on growing older and losing childhood. I mean, come on. Pixar's movies aren't really "geared" toward anybody. They just are what they are. An adult film doesn't mean it has guns, blood, or serious drama. It can just as well be a comedy with a bunch of CG animated fish and still be adult-enjoyable as ever. People who think otherwise are just embarrassed that they watch movies with CG animated fish and want to be cool.
Re:Adult films (Score:3, Insightful)
the deal with disney was kinda like a deal with a record company. disney provided seed cash, in return for "ownership" (technically speaking, exclusive monopoly rights in perpetuity; legal ownership remained in pixar's hands) of the films, plots, and characters for distribution and merchandising purposes. it also set a specific royalty rate for how much of the gross pixar would get (and that wasn't very high).
worked fine when pixar didn't have
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It's not a movie, but a show geared towards adult audiences. Tripping the Rift [scifi.com] is CG featuring adult-oriented content. No actual sex or nudity so far, but lots of adult humour. A few choice quotes from the show would be:
"Just once when I moan 'Oh God...Oh, God!', I really want to mean it."
"Well, you know what they say: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get over how big its genitals are."
"How'd you like to take a free ride on a girl with four gams and no gag reflex?"
It's coming to a televi
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Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:5, Interesting)
I think you hit the nail on the head - but not how you intended. I love Pixar's movies, but they are clearly written for kids. Like you said, they WRITE IN CONTENT FOR ADULTS. I agree with the parent poster, that I would like to see a movie from Pixar where the adult content wasn't an afterthought. Think "Spirited Away". It is appropriate for adults and kids, but doesn't feel like a kids movie with a few jokes thrown in for the parents. Finding Nemo was good, but it was still a kids movie.
Sure, they are a kickass animation studio, but let's not forget that they make movies to MAKE MONEY. Where is the money? Product tie-ins. Granted, if the movie tanks their products sit on the shelves, so they do have to make a decent movie first. This has been the MO for kids moviemakers for quite a while now. It has been very obvious for a long time and is starting to become pathetic (Cat in the Hat anyone?). But parents lap it up. There is already Shrek 2 merchandise on the market.
Hey, that is the movie business, not much room for integrity.
Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:4, Informative)
And even if that weren't the case, Miyazaki has made quite a few movies "written for kids" himself. For instance, look at My Neighbor Totoro or Panda, Go Panda. Enjoyable by adults (just as Pixar's films are), but clearly aimed right squarely at the little kid market.
Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmm. Didn't know that. Interesting though, how a movie written for a 12-year old girl in another country can seem so mature, while movies written for 12-year-olds in the US seem vapid and utterly childish
Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:3, Insightful)
It's not the audience; it's the director. Try picking a few fansubbed anime at random and watching a few episodes. You'll find that what they pump out in Japan is every bit as worthless as American children's shows/movies. Spirited Away was a great movie because a brilliant man created it, not because it was released in Jap
Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:5, Insightful)
Pixar are a Western firm, and have to live with the Western idea that all animation is for children. Ghibli are Japanese, and things work differently there.
But Pixar's kids' films bring parents into the cinema too. And they see that the films are in fact good, despite being 'for children'. And then the next time a Pixar film comes out those parents use the children as an excuse to go and see it. Pretty good business for Pixar, eh?
I remember seeing the start of A Bug's Life, watching this film for a while and then sitting up with a jolt because I realised that I was in fact watching Seven Samurai. Blimey.
Spirited Away you mention as an example, but I think it's more of a child's film than, say, Mononoke or Nausicaa. It reminds me of the books Through the Looking-glass or The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe - certainly intended for children, but not limiting itself to what is normally supposed to be 'childish'.
Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else (Score:4, Insightful)
And that does not diminish their quality in any way. I'm an adult with no children and I go to every Pixar film as soon as it comes out. They are among the best written movies being made today in America.
Re:Adult films (Score:3, Interesting)
One of the very, very few films that was successfully aimed at children and adults equally in my mind was The Princess Bride. Neither talking down
Re:Adult films (Score:2, Interesting)
But seriously, I think this is a good idea. Anime nerd or not (the only anime I like is Ronin Warriors, do I count?) a adult-oriented *good* cg movie would probably do good.
And no, Final Fantasy doesn't count because the story line was just plain boring. FF is good at gameplay not stories.
Maybe we could petition Pixar?
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Yeah, but the main problem with that movie was that there weren't enough nude scenes (i.e. none)... they could probably recoup the money they lost by releasing a 'Final Fantasy XXX' movie
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You evidently didn't see the Final Fantasy movie, to see how hard it is to produce a good adult oriented CG film.
CG is still cartoony. How many adult cartoons do you know of? Viz?
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I have two words that would make them GOBS of fricking cash....
Heavy Metal
the first teaser of Titan AE looked as if it was going to be in the style of Heavy Metal and I was fricking GEEKED but it tanked out to be a kiddie movie.
If Pixar were to have the guts to make a R rated Heavy Metal style film they would absolutely clean up.
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And the storyline is what sets them apart, release after release.
And i am a huge anime fan myself - it's fun that there is blood and gore (impossible not to mention tentacle rape) etc and a lot of them are art in their own right.
But Pixar has a great story, every time, and then the story is well told. Despit
Re:Adult films (Score:3, Insightful)
> But even so, why no adult content?
I think it's 99% due to the personalities *behind* the movies. Have you ever watched the behind-the-scenes stuff on Pixar dvd's or listened to the commentary? Pixar's core is John Lasseter, Andrew Stanton, and a couple of other guys, and they've been the driving force behind each and every Pixar movie. It's not like 20th Century Fox where they'll put out 50 movies a year and each one is directed by someone different. Pixar's library is entirely representative of a ti
But they ARE designed/written for adults (Score:3, Insightful)
Pixar understands how to write, how to make wonderful artistic settings, and how to blend those two together.
I wonder if the folks who find Pixar films the most unsettling might be adolescents who are disturbed by the simultaneous response of both child and adult within thems
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Sorry to be off-topic here, but is the [sic] really necesary? Are you really that worried that someone will mistake my simple capitilization error for yours? You've already got it in quotes!
Also, those are definitely some of my favorite shows.
Hooray! (Score:5, Insightful)
i-tunes (Score:5, Insightful)
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This is much easier and the screen doesn't do all sorts of automatic funny resolution switching once the trailer is over either.
The iTunes requirement is due to the fact the audio is in protected lossless AAC in the full screen trailer. Not sure if this was a ploy or a way to get the file size down.
iTunes Bug (Score:2)
tries to get people into iTunes 4.5 (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple finally figured out "full screen" wasn't enough to get people to buy Quicktime Pro. However, it will probably be more successful at getting users to install iTunes, update to the latest version, or open it if they've never opened it before.
It is pretty stupid, but in a twisted way makes sense from a marketing standpoint.
Craig T. Nelson (Score:3, Funny)
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Your torrent lets me just ssh home, and kick off the download so it's waiting for me when I return. I imagine plenty of others would feel the same.
As I say, much appreciated.
(A bunch of posts explaining how stupid I am for not being able to do make MDK "just work" will, no doubt, follow!)
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Re:Even better, the incredisize version (Score:5, Informative)
iTunes (Score:2, Troll)
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Tech? (Score:3, Interesting)
The 2 trailers loaded extremely fast (on the main site) and the Flash loaded faster than I could click "Skip Intro." Over all, a very well made site.
Disney without Pixar is going to be like Apple without Steve Jobs... Oh, wait...
Stock position (Score:2, Interesting)
I just want these films to come out and be bi
"In Theatres 11-5-2004" (Score:5, Funny)
Why are we just hearing about it now?
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You are a trendy counterculturalist (Score:3, Insightful)
Any person who calls the cultural differences of another society stupid is ignorant. Stop being a trendy counterculturalist.
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The thing most people don't get... (Score:5, Insightful)
They're a MOVIE company. The reason their stuff is so well loved by the general populace is that they're first and foremost moviemakers. All of the stuff Ive seen from them so far is incredibly well written. That goes for not only their features but their shorts, too. Even the ones with no dialog in them.
The fact that they take these scripts and make them happen in a totally rendered environment is more than a creative choice than anything else. The script HAS to be good, and dead on, and not have a lot of slop, because the rendering proces is so time consuming and expensive (for now.) The medium in a sense culls out the shit material, because no matter how much you polish up a peice of shit, it's still going to be shit.
Films like Toy Story and Monsters Inc. COULD have been made in the traditional way, with actors and such, but by doing the whole thing as animation they get away from moments in the film where the audience would mentally break off with the thought "Holy Fuck, that's a coolass special effect."
IMHO, The fact that these are marketed and skewed towards a younger audience is mainly because, as a culture, the US isn't ready to accept animated ANYTHING as a serious medium for carying adult themes. If Pixar was a Japanese company, half the stuff they made probably wouldnt be viewable by children. Take Cowboy Bebop as an example. Anime, purely cartoon, but NOT for kids. I wont even go into things like Ghost in the Shell. This cultural disconnect in the States is why you see things like a row full of nine year olds sitting in a theater watching Terrance and Phillip sing songs about how the other likes to anally rape his uncle.
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Now, now. They only sang about how they like to "fuck" their uncles. Rape isn't mentioned at all in the song. How do you know the uncles in question haven't consented? =o)
Re:The thing most people don't get... (Score:2, Insightful)
And yeah. They are a movie company. They make brilliant movies with great writing and characters. But also great is the character animation.
The char
Re:The thing most people don't get... (Score:3, Insightful)
Personally I think there is something about animation -- especially non-realistic looking animation -- that appe
Movie hits too close to home for comfort... (Score:3, Funny)
Teaser and new trainler look like two movies (Score:3, Interesting)
However this new trailer makes the movie look completely different - a superhero team all very much in the now.
Either way,it's PIXAR so I'll be seeing it and when the kids get the DVD, I'll be seeing it again and again. About the only thing that may make this different is the characters are people as opposed to talking animals and toys etc...
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Finally!... an adult film (Score:5, Insightful)
This movie is for the Adult Swim crowd. It's got nothing "adult" in it (sex, violence -- well, there's explosions), but not every show on Adult Swim does either. It's the writing. Are children going to laugh at a character yelling "Where is my super suit, woman?!?" Probably not. But I laughed out loud more than a few times watching it.
Disney braves a thin line between children and adult entertainment (except for their refusal to distribute Michael Moore's latest movie, which is just dumb). Some stuff bridges the line rather admirably (like the Muppets, which they more or less acquired). Ditto on ABC after hours. A Bug's Life, though? Very little for adults to laugh at. Children will laugh at The Incredibles, but I have a feeling adults will get the most out of it.
Superhero Interview (Score:3, Interesting)
The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day (Score:2)
Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day (Score:3, Informative)
I have no idea why they're recycling soundtracks. Maybe that's a starting trend...
This is a very common practice. Music soundtracks are one of the last things done in movie post-production. (You need a near-final cut of the film before you can score it.) Trailers, which come out months in advance, will use other appropriate music as place holders until then.
Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day (Score:3, Informative)
Oooh! OOOH! (Score:3, Funny)
Direct Download (Score:3, Informative)
I don't have itunes so I couldn't get the fullscreen version, someone wanna post that (if it's even possible - fairplay maybe)?
Ahh finally... (Score:3, Funny)
Soundtrack: Propellerheads (Score:3, Informative)
Cliff Claven (Score:5, Funny)
Can you spot Cliff in every feature-length Pixar movie?
Well you see, Norm, it's like this...A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
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Seen proto-Incredibles; loved it (NO SPOILERS) (Score:5, Insightful)
Disclaimer:
A lot of the CGI work was half done (and parts of the movie were storyboards), so I haven't seen the whole finished thing. So I am not sure how those parts finished up.
All of that said...
The pacing even of the half done version was excellent. The plot held together, the characters were thought out and had depth, they developed throughout the film. Pixar knows how to make movies; it's quite something to be watching a scene that's half storyboards still and still feel it's gripping.
This movie is aimed at both adults and kids. There are child characters, who help save the day, but the adults character development is the main theme of the film in my opinion.
I liked. I expect the finished product is going to entirely live up to the promise of the half done version I saw.
What about "A Bug's Life"? (Score:3, Interesting)
I dunno, maybe the fact that it's the only Pixar movie where the villain dies at the end is working against them, or something. I still think it's as good as any of Pixar's other outings, even if they don't.
They still ... (Score:5, Informative)
Also Disney gets the rights to any sequels for these films, if Pixar refuses to make sequels for them. (Like Toy Story 3)
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Also, does anyone else think it's odd from the trailer that it's like Pixar wants to disown A Bug's Life?
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This picture was in production before the split.
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Washington Post story covering this [washingtonpost.com]
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> Empire? What's up with that?
Disney will still release one or two movies more (The Incredibles plus the next one). Pixar had a 6 film deal with Disney, but Disney contested that "Toy Story II" counted as it was a sequel. (This is one reason that Pixar don't do sequels).
So we have
Toy Story I/II
Bugs Life
Monsters Inc
Finding Nemos
The Incredibles
One more.
Re:What the??? (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know about that--you can't tell me Jobs hasn't gotten a fair amount of pleasure over having Michael Eisner over a barrel. I mean honesty, who on this planet wouldn't enjoy the chance to really put the screws to that guy. Who knows what motivates Steve Jobs these days, but he's clearly in an extremely powerful position right now--with a company full of insanely talented people who are creating movies millions of people just can't seem to find their wallet quick enough to see.
It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years.
Re:What the??? (Score:5, Funny)
Which they will.
And it will be straight to video.
And it will be crap.
Re:What the??? (Score:2)
I don't know why other people keep saying Pixar don't want to do sequels. Businessweek [businessweek.com] says Steve Jobs also wants Toy Story 3.
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If they can resolve the commercial relationships, I'm sure Toy Story III would rock.
Re:What the??? (Score:5, Interesting)
My pet peeve with Disney is that they take stuff in the Public Domain (Cinderella etc) then start sending legal threats to anybody who does the same, claiming that they are cashing on the Disney investment. Of course, many claims are baseless, but who can defend themselves against the legal might of Disney?
The last straw was when they pulled out of the production of the recent "Peter Pan" movie, because they didn't want to pay royalties to the orphanage that owns the rights (they received them in the will of the Author).
Disney claims because they already paid once for their animated production of Peter Pan, they shouldn't have to pay again.
Hmm.. Billion dollar multinational refusing to give a tiny percentage of one fucking movie to a group of kids without parents. Walt would be spinning in his grave if he wasn't frozen into it.
Re:What the??? (Score:4, Interesting)
That's not strictly true. Disney have a reputation of legally threatening people over this sort of thing but it has nothing to do with protecting its investment. So long as you avoid using Disney inventions that were used in conjunction with the public domain story then Disney can't do a thing.
For example, it's perfectly legitimate for someone to stage a play based on Snow White but Disney would come down hard if you used the names and/or appearance of the Seven Dwarves as seen in the movie (the seven dwarves appear in the original public domain Snow White but the characters of Grumpy, Sleepy, et al, are Disney inventions and not in the public domain).
Is this right? Well, it's a strict and traditional application of copyright so it's difficult to complain about, unless you want to argue against copyright in general. What isn't right, and this relates to your original pet-peeve, is the retroactive extension of copyright so that the Disney inventions never fall into the public domain.
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Read grandparent.
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Re:Disney (Score:4, Insightful)
I think the word you're looking for is "homage"... (Score:2)
parody (Score:2)
n. pl. parodies
A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
The genre of literature comprising such works.
Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.
Music. The practice of reworking an already established composition, especially the incorporation into the Mass of material borrowed from other works, suc
Re:Looks like a comic ripoff (Score:2)
Impulse and The Flash were friends, and they both had the exact same super power.
I think you're being overly sensitive. Whats next, trashing any song with a guitar as a rip off of Hendrix?
Re:Stupid Flash requirement (Score:2, Insightful)
I saw comments similar to this several times already for this article. It seems a lot of people complain about the lack of availability on non-Windows machines for these websites without actually checking to see if their OS is capable of playing it first.
Re:Stupid Flash requirement (Score:2, Funny)
*looks at his Mac OS X laptop*
*looks at the Incredibles web page loaded on it*
Huh. Never knew my Powerbook was running WindBlows. I thought it was Panther. Good to know.
Re:Quicktime? iTunes? (Score:2)
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My dear Cinderella, you shall go to the ball. [free-codecs.com]
Re:pixar != disney (Score:3, Informative)
Pixar was never a part of Disney -- Disney just had an agreement to distribute the pictures and take half the profits.
From their recent annual report [sec.gov]: