"A Sound of Thunder" Movie This Summer 273
Syberghost writes "Ray Bradbury's classic short story "A Sound of Thunder" is being released thus summer as a movie. It's directed by Peter Hyams, who's done the time travel thing before, but it appears that some of the major characters from the Bradbury story aren't in the credits."
A whole movie? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A whole movie? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:A whole movie? (Score:5, Informative)
Out of all the people that still think that Czechoslovakia is still one country, I would not expect Ray Bradbury be one of them... I mean cmon! They separated in 1993! Czech Republic and Slovakia godamn it! Two very different countries with different languages, goverments and culture.
Re:A whole movie? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A whole movie? (Score:2, Interesting)
Karma Whoreing and Wikipedia Helping (Score:2)
Czech Republic [wikipedia.org]
Slovakia [wikipedia.org]
On a personal note, I was in Prague [colingregorypalmer.net] last year, and it's really a beautiful city. Dirt cheap too.
Re:A whole movie? (Score:3, Funny)
Heh! I used to go out with a girl from the Czech Republic. Believe me, the first time I accidentally called it Czechoslovakia was the last time I accidentally called it Czechoslovakia.
Not something Americans need to worry about. Everyone can tell where they're from. *Ahem*
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Fahrenheit 9/11 (Score:3, Informative)
"He can't have my title," said Bradbury. "We've got an important film coming out, the book's having its 50th anniversary in October. If he wants his movie to be an homage to me, why not title it, 'Bradbury, where the hell are you now that we need you?'" [go.com]
I hope... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I hope... (Score:4, Funny)
Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
This is awesome! I have been waiting for a sci-fi remake of Sound of Music! Finaly!
Re:Cool! (Score:2)
Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:5, Insightful)
To me, the original story was a great short. The ending was perfect and there was a great timing to everything.
But to make it movie length, it sounds like the bulk of the plot in the movie takes place after the ending of the story. If you want to make a story about time travel changing the present, why ruin a great short by turning it into a preface to another story? Why not just come up with a simple reason history is changed and THEN tell the story about dealing with the changes?
I love Ray Bradbury's stories. There's a wonderful sense of timing, rhythm, playfulness, poetry, horror, and fun. It sounds like some of the most important elements of what makes a Bradbury story so good are being ignored here.
Maybe, instead of wasting the time and money to see this, I'll find a DVD of Francois Truffaut's adaption of Farheinheit 451 and watch that instead.
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:2)
Really? Even Bradbury admits he fumbled it. The written language changes, but all that happens to an election is that a different person wins? Huh?
Someone ought to do a good Martian Chronicles. I think you could still pull it off with current knowledge if you just move the Martians underground, and use an effed up Earth as the impudence for the colonization.
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:4, Interesting)
I read it for the first time in 8th grade and hadn't re-read it for decades (not that I avoided it, but I'm not much on re-reading -- except for Shakespeare). It had such a strong impact on me I that I remembered most of it, almost scene-by-scene.
To me that's effective. If it weren't, I'd have forgotten it like I did most of the stories in that anthology, but this story made such a strong impression I remembered many parts of it clearly for decades.
I write myself, and I would feel that any story I wrote that had that strong an impact on a reader was a definite success. Maybe some technical details were wrong (who knows -- we don't have the experiece to be sure), but any story that can leave an impression that lasts for decades is worth recognition.
I think it made an impression on most people. (Score:5, Interesting)
That's not a simple accomplishment given the length of the story. But then, I like a lot of his stuff.
Re:I think it made an impression on most people. (Score:2)
And of course, there is Chaos Butterfly. [ucomics.com]
Re:I think it made an impression on most people. (Score:2)
Actually, Butterfly Effect [wikipedia.org] was a term originally coined to describe chaos theory as it regards weather.
Re:I think it made an impression on most people. (Score:2)
I believe the story was written by Laurence Janifer [fact-index.com].
steveha
Re:I think it made an impression on most people. (Score:4, Informative)
The term "butterfly effect" derives from the work of Edward Lorenz [google.com], a meteorologist who was an early researcher into chaos theory. (In a way, Lorenz was the first chaos theorist -- James Gleick's excellent book Chaos: Making a New Science [barnesandnoble.com] tells the story in detail.)
Lorenz has said his choice of metaphor was not influenced by Bradbury's story (he hadn't read it). Indeed, he first phrased the idea using a seagull, not a butterfly.
So the term oughta refer to Bradbury's story, but it doesn't. :-)
Well, yes, but -- no. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:3, Insightful)
Good SciFi, like all literature, should explore the human condition. That may very well include expositions about the dangers of certain technologies or social trends. But those are side effects - a property of the story rather than the purpose for it.
Second, science fiction must be as accurate and technically feasible as possible. Otherwise, it isn't SciFi - it's fantasy.
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:5, Interesting)
The author of the original novel is usually credited ambiguously as "story by" or "based on." Actual writing for the film is done by an army of screenwriters and script doctors, who will receive little credits (if they are lucky!). The only reason the studio gives credit to the author of the novel is so that they won't be involved in legal troubles. Well-known writers with a household name also have added value for the marketing of the film.
When you see a film based on a novel, don't expect to see what you read in the original novel --because no film director can beat what your imagination can create. Films hit your vision. Novels speak to your heart.
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:5, Informative)
"Story by" means someone wrote the story for the screenplay under contract. I'll use ST: Next Gen as an example (I'd doing this because I came very close to selling to them and had essentially an open door to pitch to them until G.R. died and some things got reshuffled -- it's a TV show, not a movie, but the points are the same). When I pitched a story to Trek, if they bought it, they would likely pay me for the story. I'd write up a story (NOT a screenplay), broken down into acts to give the general outline of the story, along with some sense of the timing of the plot. If I'm lucky, and they think I can do it, THEN they'd offer me the chance to write the script. If you look at the credits on ST:TNG (and many TV shows), often there is a credit "Story by" -- that means that writer wrote the story, but (in most cases) someone else took that story (or outline) and actually wrote the script.
It'd be possible for one person (called Author) write a novel, a producer to buy rights, and assign a writer (called Adaptor) to write a story outline to base a script on, and to pay yet another writer (called ScreenWriter) to write the script. In true Hollywood style, they'd probably hire yet another writer (called Rewriter) to re-write the script (whether it needed or not). The credits would be something like:
Based on the novel by Author.
Story by Adaptor.
Written by
ScreenWriter
And
ReWriter
I can't remember for sure, but I think "&" was used to indicate to writers working together (like "Jane & John Doe") and "and" was used to distingiush between writers that worked on different drafts.
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:2)
I've heard from people I know, though, that writer's credits are often regarded too lightly despite their creative contributions to the story and hours they spend. Hollywood needs to pay more respects to writers, IMO, because all the film making begins on the keyboard (or with a pen and paper!).
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, it's not that producers regard the credits lightly, it's that they don't want to give them out. I remember a discussion on the 'net once about how someone said they'd be eager to write something for nothing more than credit. They didn't realize that credit is a big thing to Screenwriters beyond just getting their name on the screen. For example, to get in the Writers Guild of America, you need to have done a certain amount of "professional" work. I forgot the details, but I think it could be 2 scripts of 1 hour TV length, or 1 feature film. Since much of the industry runs on fear (and the need to outdo everyone else), people can be very stingy on letting people get credit. It can be used later in negotiations and to help one advance in a career. If you're a Hollywood producer, you don't want a write to move up, otherwise you'll pay them more the next time, and might have to make other concessions.
All this mess is a big reason why, after Trek shifted, I gave up on trying to write for TV or film out there. While the Trek people were pretty cool and not as weird as others, that was an isolated situation. Instead I busted my butt for years and will soon have my own production company (built on the company I have now). I'll be able to write my scripts and produce and direct them on my own terms. They won't be on the big screen (at least for a while), but they'll be what I want and there won't be a team of writers/producers/directors 2nd guessing everything I write. There'll be no test screenings to force re-editing and the whole cast and crew will focus on nothing but making the best production possible. When it's done, we distribute it on DVD.
It's not the level of fame and money I'd get from a studio, but it means I'll be one of the few writers alive who can write what they want and make sure it gets put on screen the way it was intended, not the way it'll be after a dozen people piss on the script like a dog does on a tree to say, "I'm here, look at me!"
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:2)
As a side note, even if the movie sucks I hope it does well... I'm just hoping for a short of "Fire and Ice"
Re:Is this Really the Same Story? (Score:2)
One word.
"TIMECOP"
oh wonderful (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
Not to mention Do androids dream of electric sheep [amazon.com] and Supertoys Last All Summer Long [amazon.com]
Seriously folks, has there *ever* in the history of Hollywood been a movie-from-a-scifi-novel which didn't actually rape-and-pillage the story in some way or other?
Re:oh wonderful (Score:5, Interesting)
And actually I don't even mind them changing the story, as long as they do a good job. Like I think Blade Runner is an amazing movie. Yes, it's a completely different story than the book, but I don't think the story in the book would have translated into a movie that well. But the recent fad to turn brilliant, intellectual science fiction novels into action movies is just depressing.
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
Well, 2001: A Space Odyssey comes to mind for me, although I guess one could easily argue that 2001 is not an adaptation of Childhood's End, but an original screenplay with a couple of elements lifted from the short story. And I guess it's a short story instead of a novel too.
But 2001 is a quality piece of sci-fi, don't you think? I persona
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2, Insightful)
A lot of time the
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
There was a movie called Harrison Bergeron that I consider better than the Kurt Vonnegut short story it was based on. Of course, it was a short story rather than a novel.
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
At the risk of personal injury, I have to say I really didn't like Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep, yet I loved Blade Runner.
If at all possible... (Score:2)
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
Re:oh wonderful (Score:2)
A) Like this butchery of a movie enough to seek out related material.
B) Is inclined to read and to enjoy SF.
I think the intersection of all of these is going to be very, very small -- especially to the people who come away from the movie having learned that robots are dangerous instead of that robots can be made safely.
Hi! I'm a butterfly! (Score:5, Funny)
See there friend, if you flatten me silly, there will be absolutely no way to tell if you've changed the future irreparably! As the changes you've wrought have taken place way way way long time ago in the superpast, well before you and the rest of your crazy civilization were concieved and born, these changes existed before you went back in time to stomp on me and maybe change the entire history of forever!
Who knows! All I know is that I'm a butterfly and that I like nectar. Yum nectar!
(effa why eye, Mozart in Mirrorshades was better)
Re:Hi! I'm a butterfly! (Score:2)
Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:3, Interesting)
Smart move, but I'm not sure that the guy [imdb.com] who directed "Timecop" and "Sudden Death" was the right choice for a replacement...
My money is on the upcoming "Fahrenheit 451" directed by Frank Darabont [imdb.com].
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:2, Insightful)
Mine isn't. What the hell's the point of making a new Fahrenheit 451? I mean, I like to think Truffaut's version was pretty damn adequate.
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah... and by applying that logic you could say that the guy that directed Bad Taste [imdb.com] and Meet the Feelbes [imdb.com] probably wasn't the best pick to direct LOTR...
I'd give the guy a chance... some people just make the pictures they can get signed on for, for all you know this guy's just been waiting for a decent screenplay with the right producers to make his "masterpiece".
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:2)
I take exception to that comparison.
Those were his first two films.
Hyams has a long resume of movies ranging from bad to worse.
At least Jackson had Heavenly Creatures on his.
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:2)
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:2, Interesting)
if done right it could very well generate a best selling Movie. although i still havn't figured out how they're gonna create a convincing Battle room
back on Topic, Timecop and Sudden Death where great for what they where meant for, Summer action movies with lots of explosions and special effects. but your right about the Director being a Bad choice for what should have less of an emphasis on action and more of an emphasis on story
Re:Heh, I remember hearing about this one... (Score:2)
For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:5, Informative)
The actual story is simple. A hunter goes back on a T-Rex safari, panics and runs off the path. He kills a butterfly in the process. The safari returns and finds the future changed for the worse. The end.
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:5, Funny)
Soko
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2)
Um, so what would be the difference betwe
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2, Informative)
Implicitly, it assumes that while time is fragile, under the normal elaborate precautions it's resilient enough that any changes don't reach the point of being noticed by anybody coming back.
Explicitly, it's far more concerned about damage to animals than to plants (so no blade of grass is a bit of an ov
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2)
Bradbury is a god of SF and all that, and the Butterfly Effect is a really interesting and influential concept... but IMHO it's coming to the screen too late to pass the "yeah, but" test. There are a lot of people giving Bradbury a free pass who would take the Wachowskis all the
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2)
There are huge differences in the circumstances of Bradbury and the Wachowskis. "The sound of Thunder" was a well written short story that was all about its concept, it did not try to be anything more than what it was, but still managed to become (along with "All you zombies") one of the definitive stories of time travel. "The Matrix trilogy" is a pretentious load of religio
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2)
Re:For those who don't want to read the story: (Score:2)
In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's the one where they go hunting the dinosaur, right? And one guy crushes a butterfly and changes history. They get back to the future and the written language is completely changed, but the result of an election merely flips, as if the written language could changed, and there'd even BE an election, much less with the same two candidates.
I even recall an interview with Bradbury where he admitted the ending was not very well thought out.
There's a much better short story (I forget who wrote it) where they send a spherical probe back in time, and a project scientists is talking to reporters. The probe bounces back and forth in history, and each time we go back to the press conference, the people slowly change from humans to weird alien creatures. At the end of the experiement, the speaker declares, "See? Nothing is chnaged!"
Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:3, Insightful)
And Ray Bradbury has always been more interested in the "poetry" of what he writes. It has a wonderful impact and is a good story. Do you want to mess up all that (the timing, the pacing, the setup, theme, and everything else), but insisting he spend more time on making it perfect?
If it was a matter of physics, that's one thing, but when you consider that we don't even know WHAT effects changing a timeline would really have, is it really necessary to pick on details like tha
Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:2)
Computers are physically possible. Time travel, as far as we know, isn't.
Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:2)
It just goes to show that while things like spelling may be arbitrary, a two-party system will always end up providing us with the same awful choices. Who would have guessed that Bradbury was capable of such subtle political satire?
Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:2)
Actually, the sad part is that FOR THE LIFE OF ME I *cannot* remember either the author or the title.
Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:In this case, so what if it's changed? (Score:3, Informative)
hey, wait a second (Score:2, Insightful)
[thinks back to last movie he watched in the theater, and the MPAA PR piece lecturing him about stealing food from Joe American Movie Worker's baby's mouth]
What's wrong with this (pardon the pun) picture?
Re:hey, wait a second (Score:3, Informative)
Re:hey, wait a second (Score:2)
On the other hand, the Man was 82, we can cut him some slack about not being up to date with country names.
Yeah, and quite a lot of movies seem to be filmed outside the US recently (remember LOTR?). Lots of reasons, too - cheaper, better scenery for the purpose and so on. The other movies look like they have the outdoors scenes filmed in NYC anyway ^_^
Re:hey, wait a second (Score:2)
[thinks back to last movie he watched in the theater, and the MPAA PR piece lecturing him about stealing food from Joe American Movie Worker's baby's mouth]
What's wrong with this (pardon the pun) picture?
Heh. To add insult to injury, the guy apparently doesn't know that Czechslovakia is no more a country than Prussia would be. They're filming in the Czech Republic. Sheesh. Doesn't this guy remember the whole cllapsde of the warsaw p
Re:hey, wait a second (Score:2)
wait, hang on there's someone at the door, BRB
Clue number one (Score:4, Interesting)
Simpsons Reference (Score:2)
Good Twilight Zone (Score:3, Interesting)
I always thought it would maje a good (or great) Twilight Zone story, but there would have to be some big padding to make a whole movie.
It may end up like the "Running Man" by Richard Bachman (aka Stephen King), in that the written story [amazon.com] was good, the movie [amazon.com] was good but they didn't actually have much in common. Bit like Blade Runner really...
Re:Good Twilight Zone (Score:2)
What pisses me off is that there is NO FUCKING WAY that "Running Man" would EVER be properly adapted now. I won't say anything more than "9/11," to avoid spoilers
Kinda like "Rage" and Columbine.
Positive: It's been on TV already!! (Score:3, Informative)
It seems it was not The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits after all.. It was on Ray Bradbury Theater [wlv.ac.uk].
they ruined the story (Score:5, Interesting)
Not only have they completely missed the point of the story, they've come up with some lame ass idea in order to make an action film out of it.
The story additions don't make any sense - he wipes out humanity, so they must go back to fix it? Well, if he wiped out humanity, who is it that's going to go back exactly? And if he wiped out humanity, that's a paradox! He would have to exist in order to go back and screw up the timeline.
Of course, they solve this by using a "time wave" which hasn't caught up with our time yet (then, how did were they able to travel back?).
But if it hasn't caught up, how come their reality is "markedly different"?
This is a classic screenwriting short cut. This is the writer forcing the story to serve his master (director, producer or simply his own ego) rather than letting the story play itself out based on the setup and the characters. This is just a plot device not meant to be thought about too much... well, that's fine in a Britney Spears movie, but we're talking Bradbury here. This is a science fiction story. Science fiction stories are meant to be thought about. That's the whole point! They're not about ray-guns and futuristic technology. They're metaphors for things in OUR lives. They're about people, not technology. The technology is just a tool.
Of course, having seen the horrible Timecop, I know just how much Peter Hyams cares about logic and people in his movies, so this is not a particularly surprising turn of events.
However, I will not be spending a dime to see this movie. This is something I will download and proudly announce to the world that I did so just to protest the butchering of the story.
I would gladly shell out $10 to see this story on the big screen, if it was done by ANYONE other than Hyams, who seems to have a particular fetish for destroying Science Fiction as a genre (Capricorn One, Outland, 2010, Timecop, The Relic, End of Days). This guy hasn't made a single tolerable SciFi movie, and THIS is the guy filming one of the great sci-fi short stories of all time?
Re:they ruined the story (Score:2)
But if time was more like a branch you could travel back in time along your branch, change something and create a new branch that time travels along. You still exist because you travelled back along one branch, but the flow now travels down a new branch instead of your original branc
Re:they ruined the story (Score:3, Funny)
However, if it branches out, then your timeline (the one you came from) would remain intact.
Here that is clearly not the case.
Which is why the idea of a "time wave" which catches up with your timeline a little bit... just enough to make you notice that it's different, but not enough to completely wipe out humanity, thereby giving you "time" (isn't that ironic) to undo the damage, before the "time wave" fully catches up wit you. No doubt the scientists in the film will be able to
Hollywood Vs. Books (Score:4, Funny)
Talent, baby (Score:2, Funny)
Moshe knows quality.
No one I trust more than Moshe to do justice
to a Ray Bradbury classic..
Time Paradox's (Score:5, Insightful)
I spent many days as a young kid wondering if it would be possible to change history - after all if you changed the future, would the future you have gone back into the past at all?
I learned the answer many years later in electronics. In electronics, it's called "Negative Feedback"... ie, take the output signal and feed in back into the input... The output affects the input, but the signal still continues.
Now I wonder on how such a simple well thought out story can possibly change the future by altering the way people think and view the world.
Still many of Ray Bradbury's original stories still occupy parts of my idle thoughts even this much later.
That this man's writing has affected my thinking for so long and has permeated my thoughts enough to consider things I may have never considered otherwise is reason enough to see how the movie turns out...
GrpA.
R is for Rocket (Score:3, Informative)
although 'A Sound of Thunder' is one of my favorite Bradbury stories, right up there with 'There Will Come Soft Rains' -- I think that the entire 'Maritian Chronicals' will forever be my favorite.
Re:R is for Rocket (Score:2)
No Surprises, really. (Score:2)
Yet another SciFi film who'se *only* relationship to the novel of the same title is
{cue drumroll}
The Title.
About the "Credits" (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't imagine that because a character isn't listed on IMDb 4.5 months before release, the character isn't in the film. IMDb rarely has complete credits this far before release. I'm surprised the Slashdot editors let such a silly claim through.
I'm sure the folks at IMDb appreciate that you take their listings so literally, but they try to get a title into the database as soon as it's confirmed that the film is actually greenlighted. That initial listing may have nothing more than the studio, writer, director and one or two stars. Then they add more credits and other info as they become available.
I know people there. They won't have "full" / "official" credits until they get them from a studio source (a month or two before release), a press kit (a week or two before release), or if the studio is still afraid of the Internet (and some are), they get the full credits after the film is released, usually from dedicated users who sat through the credits in theaters, scribbling furiously.
- Greg
Re:About the "Credits" (Score:2)
It doesn't? Damn, and here I had my hopes up for a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory [imdb.com] with only Charlie and Willy Wonka.
First link in article is to a copyright violation? (Score:5, Funny)
But at least I could read it again.From the story:
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SEFARIS TU ANY YEER EN THE PAST.
YU NAIM THE ANIMALL.
WEE TAEK YU THAIR.
YU SHOOT ITT.
Wow! Bradbury predicted IRC!
Re:First link in article is to a copyright violati (Score:2)
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feh. (Score:3, Insightful)
Given that, the "Time Cop" guy probably wasn't an inappropriate choice.
Flawed story, Flawed movie (Score:4, Insightful)
A Gun For Dinosaur (Score:3, Interesting)
Bradbury's story was published in 1952's 'R is for Rocket', while de Camp's published in Galaxy Science Fiction in 1956.
I wonder if the similarities were intentional or accidental, seeing as both were well known in the "sci-fi" genre at the time.
Re:Time Travel in Movies (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Time Travel in Movies (Score:2)
Re:Time Travel in Movies (Score:3, Insightful)
The thing with Twelve Monkeys is that we get to know so little about the future/present/whatever, that w
Re:Mirrors (Score:2, Insightful)
Your prior bandwidth theft, in just the last 24 hours:
karmatic - thief and karma whore....
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
I assume when they say they're making a movie out of the story, it really means "we're using a really cool story as a basis/theme/idea for a pretty lame blockbuster feature film".
Trillogy? (Score:2)
I think you just supplied your own answer. Seeing how well Shrek 2 did ( shreds box office record Top weekend ever for animated film Earns $125.3 million in 5 days [thestar.com] ), they'll turn this into a trilogy. Think Sound of Thunder Reloaded.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
A lot of Stephen King short stories are made into great movies. The Stand, Shawshank Redemption, Running Man, Secret Window. True, they're longer than 10 pages, but they made good movies even though they're not true to the book.
10 pages? Still using fisher price font? (Score:2)
And from there until the end of the the movie. Will it be bad? Without a doubt. The entire attraction of Sound of thunder is its shortness. No endless battle, no leaping plotholes, no silly motivations. Provided
Re:Left in the past (Score:2)