HHGTG Screenwriter Interviews Himself 257
Overly Critical Guy writes "The screenwriter for the upcoming Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy film has interviewed himself. A snippet: 'Who am I? "Not Douglas Adams" is the answer that concerns most people.'"
Douglas Adams (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Douglas Adams (Score:4, Insightful)
That could be the best line DNA ever wrote.
Re:Douglas Adams (Score:2)
As usual, the moderator points are most useful when you don't have them.
Re:Douglas Adams (Score:5, Funny)
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Medium? (Score:2)
You can't register with an Earthly tax office with that kind of occupation, of course, so he is working under cover as a writer, dividing his time vriting for the screen and for the Guide.
Of course, assigning to copy writers to the same planet is not the most effective use of the Guide's finite -- well actually near limitless -- resources; and it would more importantly introduce the chance that Arthur Dent's work was all fo
Re:Douglas Adams (Score:5, Funny)
Who is interested in the questions... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:3, Funny)
The answer is always 42...
It is the answer to "life, universe and everthing".
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:5, Informative)
Could be 13 fingered aliens (Score:2)
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:4, Interesting)
-Lucas
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:3, Informative)
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Yes, that's the whole point! Douglas Adams put the question to be "What is six times 9?", since the answer should be 42. Of course, this was a joke, since 6 * 9 is really 54.
So someone made a new joke of that, pointing out that 42 is correct, as long as we use base 13 instead of the usual base 10. So to make this painfully clear:
6 * 9 = 54 (in base 10). And 54 = 42 in base 13.
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:5, Funny)
Here [google.com]
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In the radio series, it is revealed that the question/answer annihilation theory may have been concucted by "a wily editor of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy to increase the general level of nervousness in the galaxy and, thereby, sales of the book."
eddy (Score:3, Interesting)
I know purists might argue that "think of a number" isn't really a question. However if they think that would have stopped Adam's they are quite mistaken.
I think actually it's like the question "Why is a raven like a writting desk?". Lewis Carroll didn't intend there to be an actual answer... but he found the readers' solution "...because Poe wrote on both." to be be true and funny.
BTW has anyone else noticed the similarity between "ge
Re:Who is interested in the questions... (Score:4, Insightful)
Since Douglas Adams has said he just did this. Picked a number. Source [google.com]
No 42 is actually.... (Score:4, Informative)
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Pic [umd.edu]
a$!#&#@ (Score:2)
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If he truly was concerned about self-censoring, and wanted to avoid insulting his readers, he should have avoided using the words entirely.
"WHO THE H*#&! ARE YOU AN
Re:a$!#&#@ (Score:4, Insightful)
I believe Adams himself once wrote... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Wonderful.. (Score:4, Funny)
The first question he asks himself.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously though, the attitude he has in this self interview gives me (some) hope for this movie. He seems concerned with keeping the movie parallel to Douglas Adams' intentions and style.
He also noted how his initial reaction after reading Douglas's script was "I can't write this, this guy's a genius and I'm no genius." Who knows, it may even turn out decent. Eh, who am I kidding.
execs have the infinte power to $@~$ things up (Score:5, Insightful)
there is more film goodness here [douglasadams.com] including what I think is a picture of marvin.
You know what? It just might work, after all Pete Jackson did a damn good job, and everyone thought he would suck.
Lets just all pray George Lucas doesn't walk near the studio. [shuddering at the thought of Ja-Ja Marvin]
Re:execs have the infinte power to $@~$ things up (Score:2)
Well, it *is* being filmed on the George Lucas stage at Elstree. Does that count?
Re:execs have the infinte power to $@~$ things up (Score:2)
Actually.. (Score:5, Insightful)
And when I told him of my "I'm not worthy" moment, he said "I think you're perfect for it and that attitude will probably help you."
And he seems to really grasp the bizarre HHGTtG humor
(Let's just hope the rest of the movie will be made by equally promising folks)
Re:Actually.. (Score:5, Funny)
That someone along the line, someone important to the process, will mess it up terribly. The whole movie can get made perfectly and it can still get messed up -- we're talking about Disney here, they can always decide the editors did a horrible job and re-edit it, which could be murder to a Hitchhiker's movie.
And here's another thing I'm worried about:
Consider, for a moment, that everyone involved with this could be perfect and the movie could still disappoint. This is not a situation where they can take any old crap out of the script pile, raise its attributes by equipping it with a director and actors, and plop it out onto the screen.
This movie is going to require real directoral skill to work, but he can't get too fancy with the material or he'll incur the wrath of geeks everywhere.
And the last thing I'm worried about:
A Hitchhiker's movie has been bouncing around Hollywood for a long time. Adams has been dead for what, two or three years now? When did the project get uncorked and start moving towards production? It wasn't long after the critical fatality.
The thing that may have held up the movie for so long is Adams himself, refusing to accept the various flavors of Hollywood taint that infect so many productions. Of course, the success of the Lord Of The Rings movies has changed things a little bit....
My god, that's the new thing that really worries me:
A Hitchhiker's Movie is in production because Hollywood has concluded there's money to be made in movie adaptations of books beloved by geeks.
O'Reilly is sitting on a gold mine.
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O'Reilly is sitting on a gold mine.
What a great idea, and why restrict it to O'Reilly! We can have George Lucas do K&R with all the C++ special effects added in later, have Peter Jackson direct a definitive version of Knuth that will most of the geeks can live with, and the guy who did Trainspotting can do the Camel book...
A film ? .. (Score:4, Insightful)
Like seeing a sandworm while reading dune or seeing the patronus (made of glittering points of light) from a low angle (only hooves visible) making ripples on the lake as it runs
The Harry Potter movie literally destroyed that picture I had in mind, because a movie still cannot give me the "real" feeling the book gave me
But I guess , illusions provided by a book cannot be enjoyed by everyone... some just need a little "CG" help.
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But I guess , illusions provided by a book cannot be enjoyed by everyone... some just need a little "CG" help.
Some of us like to enjoy the creative visions of others as well.
Many people get a thrill from watching a well-constructed 2-minute trailer for a good movie, just as some of us like to watch a well-constructed 2-hour "trailer" of a good book.
It's not the same as reading the book, they are two separate types of enjoyment.
And sometimes the movie is actually better. E.g., IMO, The Shawshank Redemption. In my book-reading, I don't have the benefit of great actors, the voice over of Morgan Freeman, or the music of Thomas Newman to enhance the story.
Re:A film ? .. (Score:3, Insightful)
I can understand that. But in our culture, movies carry ten times the cultural weight that books carry. If a book and a movie made from that book are both equivilently popular, relative to the size of their audiences, then the culture will tend to remember the movie to the exclusion of the book.
This is why, when a movie is made from a book, the book suddenly gets back into print, almost always with cover graphics that match the movie. The
Re:A film ? .. (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't be such a snobbish elitist. Just because I like the Harry Potter movies doesn't mean I lack an imagination, which is what you're claiming. All it means that I have the ability to enjoy watching someone else's imagination without sacrificing my own. After all, no interpretation is really perfectly correct, even if your name is J.K. Rowling - you make the books your own when you read th
DVD regions (Score:5, Funny)
The snake bites itself in the tail...
The Radio Shows (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm glad to read that he followed up his script-reading and hiring by going straight to the radio shows. Both the TV shows and the first two books showed amazing genius, primarily because they sprung forth directly from those radio shows.
In radio, you must build your images in the spoken word with minimal sound effects. You must do it clearly and succinctly. This translated very well to the TV screen, because they didn't throw away the descriptions altogether and replace them with images. They just added TO the descriptions.
The first two books were very dialogue driven, and dialogue is where Adams' genius really showed through. The other books in the "trilogy" never felt quite the same, and I stronly believe that feeling came from the lack of basis in well-formed radio drama/comedy.
I can't wait.
The Radio Shows (listen to them at KCRW) (Score:2, Informative)
Luckily, KCRW has them on-line at: http://kcrw.org/show/hg
Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:5, Insightful)
He has to realise that with book-to-film adaptations, whether it be Harry Potter or Battle Royale, you can never satisfy the lunatic fringe. In fact, in the end, you can never win, all you can do is please as many people as you can.
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:5, Insightful)
My 11 year old son just discovered HHGG and Douglas Adams. He's read the radio script, read the books, and seen the BBC TV show. Each version is slightly different from the others. I fully expect that he and I will both enjoy the HHGG movie because we will accept it for what it is instead of comparing it to the source material.
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:3, Interesting)
But this assumes that the film moguls are actually trying to please people in the first place, rather than just exploiting well known brands to get more butts on seats.
My major grip with book-to-film adaptations is how much liberty the studios take with the plot. I'm no diehard.
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:5, Funny)
Hey! Watch the spoilers!
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:2)
I read that as having Hamlet live (long 'i'), as in not prerecorded. I thought "WTF? It's a play, why wouldn't it be live?"
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:3, Insightful)
If they don't like the movie, I'll read them some Vogon poetry and that'll take care of even the strongest opponent!
The point is to get DA's incredible stories out to people who have never heard of him or his work and at the same time be as true as possible to the original work.
Fringe lunatics running around with dual papier mache heads are not the target of the movie.
Lunatic Fringe (Score:3, Insightful)
The problem is, with something as bizarre as this "trilogy", the lunatic fringe is a rather large percentage of the whole readership...not meant as a troll but you have to admit, these books are strange.
Re:Nice attempt at a pre-emptive strike (Score:2, Informative)
Indeed it was [amazon.com].
American to be the screenwriter for h2g2 .. hmmm (Score:3, Insightful)
I am not any of the "ists" .. but then as a neutral observer, I would say let the duck float and and let the fish swim. J D Sallinger is funny no doubt, but then comparing him with G B Shaw would be injustice to both. For the more literally challenged of my friends here, check out the difference in the humour of Blackadder or Monty Phython and Friends or Will and Grace.
I don't think Brit and American humour can be mixed. None of them is inferior ( ok that is being neutral to the point of getting irritating, so the confession : I do admire the Brit humour more ).
Hoping this guy proves my doubts to be plain paranoia.
Re:American to be the screenwriter for h2g2 .. hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Well, it's probably unimportant that the writer inherit concretely from the British class so long as he implements the Satirist interface.
Re:American to be the screenwriter for h2g2 .. hmm (Score:2, Funny)
I don't know what's worse; that you constructed this evil phrase... or that we find it funny.
waiter!... I need a life over here please, this ones a bit stale.
Re:American to be the screenwriter for h2g2 .. hmm (Score:2)
The influence of Three's Company can be seen in most American sitcoms. Three's Company of course being lifted script for script from a British show.
Whoa.. look at the cast (Score:5, Informative)
Arthur Dent = Martin Freeman ("Tim" from The Office)
Ford Prefect = Mos Def (weird, but I could see it)
Warwick Davis = Marvin (?!? uh, Willow?? is Marvin short, I can't remember)
Humma Kavula = John Malkovich (say no more)
Zaphod Beeblebrox = Sam Rockwell (right on!)
I have hope.
Re:Whoa.. look at the cast (Score:2)
Short and fat, with a really big head. At least that's the movie version. You can see him in a Quicktime video on that website, one of the older blog entries.
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Hammer and Tongs? (Score:5, Informative)
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Good link
fools (Score:4, Interesting)
genius is indiscriminate, and british cultural humour is not only "gotten" by brits, as the last 20-some years of Monty Pyton fandom in the US has demonstrated. Nor are brits the only ones that can create such humour.
Furthermore, kirkpatrick said he didn't even make all that many changes, just organized it so it would fit the film format (ie, so that the action wouldn't be crouded at one end of the film, with the other 3/4ths of it boring as fuck).
I don't know about anyone else thought about Chicken Run, but I thought it was very similar in style to Wallace and Grommit. Are not the writers/makers of W&G british? (I personally thought Chicken Run was more fun and humorous overall, but what do I know. I'm a stupid American, right? bigots.)
Re:Chicken Run / Wallace and Gromit (Score:4, Informative)
However, I do believe that Chicken Run was touched up somewhat by DreamWorks, to slightly Americanise it - after all, Chicken Run was bankrolled by a US film studio, whereas the Wallace and Grommit films were bankrolled either by Aardman themselves or the BBC
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Chicken Run == Hollywood formula (Score:4, Insightful)
The Wallace & Gromit films, in contrast, have a charming naivete about them. The characters aren't instances of a Hollywood-developed psychological model, embodying drives and motivations and moving along like cogs in a well-oiled machine, but just characters, gleefully violating the rules. To a Hollywood studio executive, this would be crude, sloppy characterization (and if Hollywood money was involved, it would be sent to a script doctor to fix it before it ever got to filming); yet it works, and seems to have more soul than the products of Hollywood.
More behind the scenes stuff (Score:4, Informative)
Worrying extracts (Score:4, Insightful)
he was watching CHICKEN RUN (with his sons? I don't know. In my head, he watches it weekly) he thought "hey that writer seemed to create a feature film that worked as a big studio movie while still keeping an existing and uniquely British sensibility.
Speaking as a Brit, I found Chicken Run hugely disappointing. It was a good idea with poor execution, like it was dumbed down. It felt like a sell out from beginning to end, with much of the quirky and inventive humour of the three Wallace and Gromits completely missing. I thought Nick Park had just struck a bum note in scaling up to feature length, but I guess it was partly this guys fault too. It was laugh free.
one of those guys who quoted Holy Grail
There is nothing more nauseating than someone who quotes MP at length, trying to be funny. It's basically the sure sign of someone who just isn't funny at all. Al Gore probably does it at parties.
(brilliant ideas, too -- truly humbling),
This whole Adams worshipping strikes the wrong note with me. I mean, the guy was great, but like the rest of us, he had his occassional shit ideas. I've read the early draft of the "Salmon of Doubt". He worked over and over on scripts to bring them up to par. If you're blinded by adoration, and don't have the talent to rewrite, maybe you're just not the right guy. He seems to go from
"I'm not good enough"->"I'm really excited about the project, but I'm not good enough"->"This is my project, but I'm not good enough"->"I'm just like Adam's in many ways."->"I can rewrite his stuff better."
Putting "I felt a certain amount of freedom to continue carrying that torch, mostly with the new concepts, characters and plot devices that Douglas had already created" together with "More has been made of the Arthur/Trillian relationship and the Arthur/Trillian/Zaphod triangle. Douglas knew, as I know, that in order to make a feature film bankrolled by an American studio that is to play on the global stage there needs to be a certain amount of attention paid to character, character relationships and emotion." suffuses me with dread. Let's say Douglas experimented with a number of lame ideas to make the film more appealling, such as more love triangles and jealousy. Shouldn't be in the final film, but will be in the process outlined here.
Hammer and Tongs: the music video specialists. A 3 minute music video direction to a feature film direction? That's a hell of a leap. I'd worry with this project in experienced hands. Jackson analogy doesn't hold here, he cut his teeth on a number of low budget horror flicks like "Bad Taste", and one more mainstream "Heavenly Bodies"(?) before moving onto LotR. Anyone think of even one music video director who has gone on to make a successful full length feature? I can't.
The tide has receded and left his admission he wrote the script for "Honey, We Shrunk Ourselves!" indelibly impressed on my mind like a hulk of a wrecked ship. Prepare yourselves: HHGTG will be a wreck of a film.
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David Fincher? Michel Gondry [imdb.com]?
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(guidemaker): David Fincher? Michel Gondry?
(macthulu): Spike Jonze?
(me): Joseph 'McG' Nichol?
So, yes, there have been quite a few.
"...indelibly impressed on my mind like a hulk of a wrecked ship"?? Good lord, man, it's quite clear that you don't know much about good writing yourself.
One thing not to loose: subtlety (Score:4, Interesting)
I think the biggest problem with american works vs. British is the lack of subtely.
In Hollywoodic movies everything needs to be explicit. We need to know who are the good guys and bad guys right ahead. If there is a moral to the story, they make an effort _nobody_ will miss it. If there is a commical situation, they make every effort to make us understand that we just experianced a funny moment - or otherwise Joe sixpacks might miss the fact that someone said something funny, which is not good for their wallet.
And this is exactle what I hope _will not_ happen to HHGTTG. If it will remain a truely British film, they will be able to present the most commical, rediculous and improbable situation with a sence of casuality, as if it were an absolutely normal situation. If it will become a typical an hollywoodic film, every scene will be accompanied with a "Look - what a cool concept this is!", and "wasn't this just hillarious?". Every element in the story will be explained to death.
I sure hope this won't happen to this movie.
Re:One thing not to loose: subtlety (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a shopworn bias. On the American side it only considers Hollywood films--and it convienently forgets all the awful British TV and film that gets made every year.
There are differences between the British and American film canons, but it's nothing as simple as "subtlety".
Re:One thing not to loose: subtlety (Score:3, Insightful)
If anything separates British from American films, it's not so much the direction of the plot as it is devotion to the plo
Re:One thing not to loose: subtlety (Score:5, Insightful)
I think he gets that, actually. Read the part where the directors ask him to "clarify" the infinite improbability drive concept:
Each time we tried to clarify the I.I.D, we'd look through the script and say, "It's in there, isn't it?" By lunch, we moved from coffee to wine and the I.I.D. concept was gaining clarity. By late afternoon when we moved from wine to more wine, we had deduced that we were, in fact, brilliant and that the script was flawless. So we decided to go with the "less is more" theory and left the script alone. And then we had more wine.
Less is more. He gets it.
Re:One thing not to loose: subtlety (Score:4, Funny)
Unless you're talking about wine....
Can we stop bashing the US (Score:5, Insightful)
There are a lot of posts here claiming that Americans just won't be able to get the subtle British humor of HHGTTG, and pointing to various great Brit comedies to support this. The thing is, when people talk about 'British comedy', they mean the comedy of one particular period, the golden age of really great British comedy from about 1965 - 1985, when Fawlty, Python, and HHGTGG flourished.
Now, that was indeed a great flowering of the comedian's art, the like of which has not been seen elsewhere. But it's not an eternal immutable aspect of the US & UK population; it's an event that happened to occur in the UK. There's junk UK TV -- in fact, they produce rock bottom TV by the ton -- and there's great US TV.
So please can we discuss this with reference to appropriate cultural phenomena, sure, but not with reference to this imaginary 'irony gene' that only British people have? It's only encouraging that class of annoying English people who go on and on about Americans not understanding irony like it was the only way they could think of to make themselves feel special.
Hrm, well, my rant is over.
I'll get me coat.
Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:3, Insightful)
I beg to differ.
The point isn't whose better. The point is: what's the best way to keep the true spirit of Douglas Adams's books when doing a movie out of it.
True, not everything americans are doing is bad. I like Seinfeld and the Simpsons and Southpark, and lets not forget that the Coen brother are american as well
And one more thing: as yo
Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:5, Insightful)
Umm... Black Adder, Red Dwarf, Men Behaving Badly. The golden age never ended. The Brits keep churning out brilliant comedy.
The only good comedy sitcom to ever come out of America was Frasier.
Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:3, Funny)
You misspelled "most British."
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Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:3, Interesting)
But yeah, most of the other American stuff is shit.
-Laxitive
Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:4, Insightful)
But I will admit there is one american comedy series I really did appreciate for its often-times absurd humour - Ally McBeal.
Re:Can we stop bashing the US (Score:3, Informative)
I've still got some hope for this movie (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:its gonna suck (Score:3, Funny)
As for US remakes, I really never know why they bother most of the time. The Ladykillers? For the love of good, why are they remaking the Ladykillers? Personally, I reckon the Orange adverts at the cinema are far too close to the truth of how movies get made.
Problem isnt the sci-fi (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Problem isnt the sci-fi (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah that's probably why the book did so poorly over here in North America.
Re:Problem isnt the sci-fi (Score:2, Interesting)
Yanks. You do realise Ford Prefect was a joke at your expense with regard to "getting" British culture don't you? Anyway, moving on...
The humour in Hitch Hiker's Guide to The Galaxy is at multiple levels. One of those levels is British vernacular so to speak. Like I say, theres lots you don't need to get the references to find funny, but for British viewers of the film if they drop this material as inconsequential (as does tend to happen) or worse still, it buzzes di
Re:Problem isnt the sci-fi (Score:3, Insightful)
I find it amusing that you would assume that I am American, but not nearly as funny as the idea of you explaining a joke to me that we weren't even talking about.
I'll just leave it with this thought: comedy, even clever comedy, does not have a nationality.
Now, you just carry on with the classist British curmudgeon bit, and I'l
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Terry Gilliam is an American, and he did ok with the Python movies.
Ah, but he was outnumberred and on british soil.
No, no, no. The best cut is DIAGONAL. (Score:3, Funny)
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to study for my triangle-cutting exam...
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