Duke University Giving iPods To 1650 Freshmen 395
baptiste writes "Duke University has entered into an agreement with Apple to distribute iPods to all of the incoming freshmen this year - that's 1650 iPods! This agreement is part of an initiative to "encourage creative uses of technology in education and campus life" The iPods will have audio and text on them including special university content such as "faculty-provided course content, including language lessons, music, recorded lectures and audio books." Faculty will be assisted in creating new content for these devices by Duke's Center for Instructional Technology And here you thought iPods were just for music!"
FREE! OH BOy! (Score:5, Funny)
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But no matter how many reports you refer us to, there is nothing phony about the fac
Re:FREE! OH BOy! (Score:2, Funny)
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And if I can get our local Tech Quarters [wfu.edu] to run a pilot program of some sort, all the better. ;)
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And I think they would've been much better off with mid-level PDA's with pre-loaded data (such as school events in the date book, campus hours in the memo pad, and maps of the campus). I think a freshman has more of a need to be organized than to listen to (even more) music. Besides, you could put solitaire on a PDA!
Re:FREE! OH BOy! (Score:5, Funny)
Room & Board: $8,210
Books, Supplies, Toothpaste, airfare back to New Jersey: $2,520
Grand total $40,080
Free iPod priceless*
*actual cost ~$400
2003-2004 undergraduate costs [duke.edu]
Re:FREE! OH BOy! (Score:3, Informative)
Huh? Well, trollboy, once the battery's endurance gives out about three or four years from now you can always replace it with one of these [ipodbattery.com], these [smalldog.com], or these [macsales.com].
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Re:Wow (Score:5, Funny)
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I first heard this story in 1974 when I visited MIT, they publish an annual guide for freshmen and someone gave me one, that story was in it, supposedly it was true.
But anyway, I can just see this happening with the iPods. They should have given away the Belkin voice recorder gadgets with the iPods.
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Re:Wow (Score:5, Funny)
I'm not stealing an iPod until Apple supports OGG!
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, I can see how and why music in the classroom could be a bad thing. But it was the best thing to ever happen to my college education.
Re:Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
I would love to have these universities that are beginning to put courseware online start providing downloadable audio lecture files. (OGG or MP3 to make them as vendor-neutral as possible.)
If they value "broad, liberal education" so much and have such a hard time finding room for all the people who want to enroll, let them provide their history classes, foreign languages, music appreciation, philosophy, poli sci, etc., as downloadable audio courses that anyone can download and, to the extent possible, let those who want credit take a machine gradable test or series of tests so that attention from a live instructor is not needed.
A lot of classes couldn't be done this way (calculus, circuit analysis, etc.), but many could, and this is one way a university could enable engineering students (for ex.) to get more liberal arts and humanities without the need to double tuition and make the university ever tougher to get in to. And once they did the work to create these audio courses, they could let anyone (not just students) download them for just the marginal cost of additional bandwidth. They could then minimize even that cost by putting the material in the public domain and explicitly allowing P2P sharing.
(For that matter, I'd like to see organizations like the BBC, NPR, NHK, etc. start providing their archives in downloadable OGG or MP3 instead of just streaming RealAudio. NHK has terrific language courses available on the radio every day in Japan, but you have to live in Japan to hear them. As far as I know, you can't download them and that seems absurdly wasteful since they put so much work into creating them.)
Then, universities could require students to have portable audio players capable of playing MP3s & OGGs or provide them with one that can and serve more and better courses to more students with fewer faculty and staff and help reduce the outrageous rate of inflation in costs of higher ed.
iPod U. (Score:4, Informative)
The University of Minnesota is already starting to do that with their Digital Audio Initiative [umn.edu]. Want to learn Pashtun or Punjabi? You can. [umn.edu] You can also study Shakespeare [umn.edu], British literature [umn.edu], science fiction [umn.edu], or learn how to write a short story [umn.edu].
More courses can be found here [umn.edu]. They're adding courses, but slowly. It's worth bookmarking.
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In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
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And the Freshman assault rate rises 5,000% (Score:5, Funny)
I can see a bunch of pissed of Seniors beating the ever loving crap out of incoming freshman for their iPods. How do you tell them apart (unless they laser engrave them all).
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Why not a PDA? (Score:4, Insightful)
I mean, this way the university could save a truck load of money and give out a handheld that is way more capable than the iPod in running real applications, plus having the ability to play mp3s!
I think that some people who take such decisions are just not practical.
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:5, Informative)
Duke has reasonable coverage of computers everywhere, but their filesystem on campus is pretty esoteric (and a pain to navigate) if you want to transfer files back and forth. We're pretty much still stuck on Zips and transferring by email, etc etc. I think the latest stat was that 91% of kids on campus had one computer (at least). The thing is, though, you walk into a computer lab on campus and the bigger ones are almost always full of people, because it's a easy way to check email or do whatever without braving our really lame transportation system.
In the grand tradition of certain majors, too, we huddle in unix and windows labs at odd hours to program. Yes, we're still learning about OS using NACHOS. Duke's tried making us use CVS for stuff, but CVS is broken on our system and we have to resort to really weird measures in order to backup our files.
Sure, we could get a Zire, but how much would that cover with people carrying huge files back and forth? iPods are just hard drives anyways. I've seen some engineers (and computer science majors) hauling substantial fileage back and forth between dorm and class (and their Solaris lab, crappy as hell but comfy for all nighters).
At the same time, Duke's pretty much plastered with iPods already. A frosh class with ipods will just be the equivalent of previous frosh classes with their little Duke lanyards. A thousand or so more really won't make THAT much of a difference.
And let's face it, when you're talking 20000 for tuition, 4000 for an average crappy double, then 2500 or so for meals and way too much for books later, a few hundred for a white hard drive that your kid is going to phone home about in a few weeks and whine to get isn't going to hurt anymore than what you're already shelling out.
Besides, Duke's already raised the tuition for this year, even before the inclusion of the iPod. My firstborn is being auctioned on eBay as we speak.
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:5, Informative)
Are you serious? Have you ever used AFS [duke.edu] on campus? There is absolutely no need whatsoever to use a floppy/zip disk. If you don't have your own computer, every single Mac/Windows computer on campus has a shortcut on the desktop to your AFS home directory and if you login from a Unix box, your home directory _is_ your AFS directory.
As for CVS being broken, again, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
If that doesn't suit your needs, you can always setup an account on sourceforge.cs.duke.edu. All of this information was almost certainly provided to you in whatever class you took, by the way.
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:4, Informative)
As for CVS, we pretty much gave up on it due to the fact that it never worked while we slogged through 104 and 108 (even 110, it might have worked, but then it was a choice of either track down whatever the hell it was or get some sleep).
All this information was almost certainly provided and was certainly received, but was it certainly put to use effectively? I'm guessing certainly not.
emi
CS, Trinity '05
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:2)
as for cvs, i used it for a personal project ok, but have heard of others having issues with library versioning issues. Actually I once got a bummed CVS c
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:2)
When I go to the labs, I have my files either on my personal machine (vanity name!), or sftp them to ACPUB space first...then at least I only h
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now that that's out of your system, let me assure you that while many were attracted to the iPod's pop-culture cult status as a part of this project, the academic and educational uses were the primary discussion. The "ooh, pretty!" factor, as you call it, was taken into consideration so the students would actually want to use the device given to them. Imagine Duke giving every student a Palm Zire...which most students would promptly toss in their desk after a month of occasional use if their classes didn't require it--most still won't, btw. But an iPod...the students will love those and use them!
I don't know who your friend is--I have some ideas--but if the "wow" factor is his explanation, he fell asleep at a few of the briefings, methinks. Take my word for it.
As for NACHOS....I didn't like it any more than you did, but many factors prevent 110 and 210 from switching to other options...I'd rather not rock the boat in the CS Dept right now.
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Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:3, Interesting)
Getting enough memory expansion on a Zire to hold a decent amount of audio would be painfully expensive. The default 16MB will hold between 15 minutes and a couple of hours of audio depending on the audio quality; it's nowhere near the bottomless pit the iPod gives you.
The iPod is not successful only because of
Re:Why not a PDA? (Score:4, Interesting)
You tell me which was the better investment.
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All I can say is... (Score:5, Funny)
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Iowa State University students get something too! (Score:3, Funny)
A nice, big tuition increase. Yay!
Oh wait...
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Hum... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Upperclassmen (Score:3, Interesting)
Also, considering that Gates and his wife have donated $55 million [duke.edu] to Duke since 1998, I wonder how/if this will affect the university's relationship with Microsoft.
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How much did that cost? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course the students end up paying for it anyway, in the "computer fees" that are usually tacked on to tuition.
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Talk about the perfect targeted advertising.
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The cutting edge! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The cutting edge! (Score:5, Insightful)
Face it folks - the iPod (or any large audio player) has massive potential on campus. I've been trying to get my campus to pursue something like this for a while:
Special version of iTunes, that links into the university's library. Using your ID and password, it returns all of the lectures you are a part of and allows you to download them. Taking a humanities class concerning Candide? Download it. History class talking about FDR's fireside chats? Download them. Tired of floppies that are still cluttering up your PC labs (until this very day - arrrrrrggghhhh!)? Let the kids save to the iPod.
The iPod just becomes the central repository for things that, until now, were spread out across the dorm room. If the kid loses it, the kid loses it - same could be said about anything else (books, tapes, DVDs, etc.).
The only application that I don't think will work: audiobooks. It's really difficult to study from an audiobook. Even more difficult to use an audiobook in an open-book test, too...
Tuition Hikes (Score:2, Informative)
Oh come on... (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh come on, give me a break... Sure they can be used for something else, in the same way that you can save any file you want on the iPod, but how many students are really going to use it that way?
WOW! Audio files that aren't music on my iPod. w00t!
next up... (Score:5, Funny)
...all the freshmen gets sued by the RIAA for pirating music...
(It's logical - they own a digital playbackdevice and has access to 'da interweb'; off course they steal music, and at least 10 gig each)
Re:next up... (Score:2)
A few weeks of swapping and ripping with iTunes and they could all have all the music they want without needing to download a single track, and what's more important, without appearing on the RIAAs radar. Having iPods, they'll all have iTunes and probably a large hard drive as well... it won't take long for CD-ripping to become second nature.
I'm sure all the students will think this is great (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well, if you CAN make $30k over a summer, you're kinda wasting your time in college....
$299 iPod/$30,000 tuition = an insignificant fraction.
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While this may seem weird (Score:5, Insightful)
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well, here's some irony for you... (Score:5, Interesting)
Speaking of Microsoft (Score:5, Interesting)
I have read this far down the comments list and not one comment has been critical of Apple, and only a few critical of the University. Is a little objectivity too much to ask? I know that it's not quite on the same level as MS using free software to try to wipe out competition across entire markets, but it is nonetheless a shameless commercial ploy to eliminate competition, albeit in a rather smaller market.
Re:Speaking of Microsoft (Score:3, Insightful)
There are many tactics which are perfectly acceptable when you own 5% of the market and which are not only unacceptable but illegal when you own 95% of the market.
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Re:Speaking of Microsoft (Score:3, Interesting)
You know what? Every time a post suggests a little bit of objectivity, and slightly less hypocrisy where Microsoft is involved (which seems to happen in *every* thread on slashdot) the automatic reply seems to be what you just said.
What is worse is that little sentance almost guarantees a +5 score. I wish slashdot just posted a huge banner on the front page saying "F@CK MICROSOFT" and then banned any posts regarding them; the thoughtful conte
Re:Speaking of Microsoft (Score:5, Informative)
And even if Apple decided to give the iPods for free, it would still cost them money. How much would cost Microsoft to give 1,650 licenses of Windows and/or Office?
Finally, the iPod is usuable under other plataforms than Apple's.
iPods ~ Cheating (Score:5, Informative)
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Anybody fooling with any object other than a pencil and the test booklet in the SAT room should be summarily dismissed and fined.
Slow down... (Score:2)
SAT II Math IC & IIC even require them. And my TI-89 may not have the storage of the iPod, but it has a hell of a lot more functionality and programmability.
All that being said, it sounds like these students had them out during the verbal section - which is not allowed. Just wanted to point out why all blanket statements are bad... including this one.
Re:Slow down... (Score:3, Interesting)
You'll pry my HP 48G out of my cold, dead hands, but I already passed the SAT with flying colors, using only a pencil and my brain.
I am a huge fan of computer-augmented math capabilities (I write a spreadsheet to do simple math), but the SAT need not test that. It should test basic mathematical abilities (such as might be found in a post-holocaust Earth).
But hey, it's just my opinion.
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In Computer Science exams where calculators were allowed, I've had profs who were a little wiser about it. In those cases, I gave them the
Um... (Score:4, Insightful)
How about giving those (soon to be) poor lads (Score:2)
Marketing (Score:5, Insightful)
This new move, however, is worrisome. It is clear that is scheme to "distribute" Ipods among Duke freshmen is nothing but a naked marketing move on Apple's part: sellng the already high-margin Ipods at a so-called "discount" to Duke under the thin pretext of using them as an educational device, then pushing Itunes, and relying on the soon-to-be-well-paid Duke graduates to keep buying Apple products in the future.
It is a shame that a fine institution Duke has gone in for such a blatant moneymaking gimmick. This is little different from allowing companies like Coca-Cola to produce "educational" material for our public schools. I would hope the Duke adminsistration would have taken a page from and choose integrity over money, but such is not to be. For shame. [msn.com]
Missing option (Score:2)
...and pr0n. Maybe not exactly when they are handed out, but give it time.
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New iPod accessory (Score:3, Funny)
the best laid plans... (Score:5, Funny)
Yup, until Johnny Freshman doesn't have room for the latest Avril song.
Hmm. Delete Linkin Park song, or some professor yacking about french. Hmmmm.
Nice Idea, but how useful is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Many professors have still refused to adopt the internet as a way of getting information to students and Al Gore invented that over 10 years ago. Other than the CS classes and a few tech-savy professors elsewhere this won't even be attempted.
For those that do, It will take a long time for them to gather audio lectures and exactly how helpful are they without the visual aids behind them? The same is true for audio books. Technical audio books are not exactly the easiest way to learn a subject. The best use for audio books would be for literature, but as stated above, humanities professors are the ones least inclined to adopt this type of idea. Even then trying to learn the theme or symbolism from an audio book is quite hard. You can't flip back and forth as easily as you can with the written form.
My guess is that there will be a big craze and initial educational push as professors *try* to make the idea work, but after a month it will only be used by students to trade prOn and music before class starts or during lunch. Not that that's a bad thing. I am all for easier to access prOn, but for the majority the educational benefit is little.
This just in... (Score:5, Funny)
"Haha, fuck you."
To quote Fark.com (Score:2, Insightful)
For 40 Grand it's the least they could do (Score:3, Funny)
We already did this in Japan (Score:3, Interesting)
It's been a good program so far and a large percentage of students are using the machines. Unfortunately many of our students are computer illiterate or have very low skills and thus aren't able to use the iPod on their own for personal study or amusement. But we're off in the right direction and the program will be getting better as it grows, undoubtedly.
We might go with iPod minis next year since they don't need the extra space. We are encouraging students to use them as hard disks as well as listening devices.
My Highschool distributed Palms to students (Score:5, Interesting)
Let me give a different perspective. The high school I went to (yeah it was private but I read
But it really did help the students. Sure you can beam stuff and play games and otherwise goof off with the device, but it also helped the students stay organized and keep their digital documents with them when they need them.
Now I'm not saying the iPod is going to help Duke students graduate in 3 years, and there are huge differences between the iPod and a PDA, but for digital arts students who need to work on a project outside the studio, or the Comp Sci student who wants a backup of the source for their thesis, there are applications outside the music realm.
Not to mention, this huge roaming profile rumor that one will be able to keep their user profile on an iPod, and when connected to a Mac, at home or on campus, log into their user account with their background and preferences, desktop files, user directory files, iCal calendar, address book contacts, Safari browser bookmarks, etc.
Now THAT would make huge sense on a campus setting.
It's about Kazaa (Score:5, Interesting)
As for language tapes, there's already a library of cassettes no one bothers with anyway.
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Re:Overpriced. WAY overpriced (Score:2, Funny)