Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 537
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A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:5, Informative)
Listen up, this is a true story!
Last month we were reading this USA Today article at http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-06-14-ai
We forgot we had read it, but just now we went back to the article and remembered the final few paragraphs of the reporter interviewing Lucas at a gay AIDS banquet:
"We caught George Lucas wandering around the grounds with his daughter, Katie. The director said the title of Star Wars: Episode III won't officially be announced until November, when the first trailer hits theaters.
But he conceded that fans on Web sites already have guessed correctly. So we threw a couple of rumored titles at him: Rise of the Empire? "No, that's not it," Lucas said. How about Revenge of the Sith?
With that, Lucas smiled knowingly, backed away and teased, "That's a possibility. Lots of titles out there
Can you believe THAT?! He basically gave it away over a month ago and no one said anything for the most part!
Anyway, that's awesome, but we have some other suggestions. We just don't care for the title that Lucas picked.
Here. Here's a poll for your favorite GOOD Star Wars title.
Pick from the following and reply to this post with your favorite:
Star Wars Episode III: Dawn of the Empire
Star Wars Episode III: Final Strike
Star Wars Episode III: The Fallen Jedi
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost Prophecy
Star Wars Episode III: The Deception
Star Wars Episode III: Hope Lost
Star Wars Episode III: The Lost one
Re:A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:5, Funny)
"I see you have the ring, and your schwartz is as big as mine..."
Hope Lost (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that describes my attitude towards the movie, anyways.
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Dont you dare believe him! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:5, Funny)
Star Wars Ep III: The Death of Jar-Jar
Re:A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:5, Funny)
Someone else posted an even better one: "The Passion of Jar-Jar". It's just two hours of Jar-Jar getting beaten.
Re:A REPORTER GUESSED THIS OVER A MONTH AGO! (Score:4, Informative)
Back around the time of the Knights of the Old Republic videogames, the Jedi beat the Sith down brutally and to the point where the Jedi think there are no Sith left. But, unknown to the Jedi, there is one left. He takes an apprentice and sets the Rule of Two (one Sith master, one Sith apprentice). And so it goes for thousands of years, until Darth Sidious and his apprentices.
Think about what Darth Maul said on Coruscant and Yoda said at Qui-gon's funeral in TPM. Then, when you also remember that ROTJ was originally Revenge of the Jedi (and then Lucas decided that Jedi do not take revenge), the title choice makes even more sense. The title has been obvious for years - you only needed to pay attention.
How about "Revenge of the Children's Merchandise" (Score:2, Funny)
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:How about "Return of Star Trek"? (Score:2, Informative)
Forget Star Wars... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Forget Star Wars... (Score:2)
Sorry, too easy.
Indiana Jones? (Score:5, Funny)
Indiana Jones IV: The Nursing Home Adventures
Watch an aging Indy in a wheelchair fight off seniale ex-Nazis in a search for the bathroom so he doesn't have to use that bedpan any more. Yet when he gets there, a seniale ex-Nazi has the last roll of toliet paper! Watch as they battle it out with canes, and pause many times to take a breather and adjust their bifocal glasses.
See Indy wonder were Shortround is, and why he had him committed to the nursing home.
Watch as Indy trys to make a break and sneak past Nurses readying trashy novels during the night time hours.
Watch the drama that unfolds during the Bingo game.
Uh, yeah, right, whatever. That's another one I am not going to see.
Re:Indiana Jones? (Score:3, Interesting)
I know it's trendy to mock Lucas's titles lately (Score:2)
Re:I know it's trendy to mock Lucas's titles latel (Score:3, Interesting)
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Name change to come.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Name change to come.. (Score:2)
Re:Name change to come.. (Score:2)
Re:Name change to come.. (Score:5, Informative)
"The Wrath of Khan" was originally "the Vengeance of Khan" but changed because it sounded too similar to the supposed "Revenge of the Jedi". And before it was "the Vengeance of Khan", it was "the Undiscovered Country". According the Leonard Nimoy's autobiography.
Revenge of the Nerds.... er Sith (Score:5, Funny)
The Sith get kicked out of their house by the Jedi and have to move into the gym. They get mad, find a sponsor, then move in to beat the Jedi in the annual Corsucant fair and talent show.
The Sith reign supreme from then on.
Vader (Score:2)
How appropriate is that connection?
Re:Revenge of the Nerds.... er Sith (Score:4, Funny)
Obi-Wan: You must not give in to the Dark Side
Anakin: Damnit, Obi-Wan, I'm a bad actor, not a Jedi.
completely forgot (Score:2)
That title isn't surprising (Score:4, Funny)
Re: That title isn't surprising (Score:4, Funny)
> "The renvenge of the teletubbies" would sure surprise me 100% more.
Ah, yes. Young Annakin throws himself into a volcano upon learning that his father is none other than the notorious Tinkie Skywinkie. After being maliciously rescued by a wandering band of Ewok jongleurs he dedicates his life to the destruction of all that is good and gold and gay, starting with his own droid C3PO.
How about: (Score:3, Funny)
One has to wonder (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One has to wonder (Score:2)
The person he's turned into in the movies is just your everyday bounty hunter. Those bounty hunters in Chronicles of Riddick have better characters than this guy.
We can lack lives together.
Re:One has to wonder (Score:3, Interesting)
he just had to have revenge (Score:2, Interesting)
He wanted 'Revenge of the Jedi' but people prtested that Jedis do not seek revenge.
So now they have 'Revenge od the Sith'. Fine Sith is all about revenge, but what is it a revenge of? did a Jedi knock up palpatines sister and Now he wnats to get even? Did Obi-One park in the 'Sith of the months' parking spot?
Unfortuantly I have high hopes for this movie, becasue I know how he cold fit it all together...everything.
He won't.
Best case scenerio: He does fot it all together, and it is different t
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:5, Funny)
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:5, Insightful)
So now they have 'Revenge od the Sith'. Fine Sith is all about revenge, but what is it a revenge of? did a Jedi knock up palpatines sister and Now he wnats to get even? Did Obi-One park in the 'Sith of the months' parking spot?
I know you're just joking around, but I think you're making a good point here. At no point have we seen any motivation for why the Sith are the way they are. I think this signficantly detracts from the movies. If Lucas decides to explain the source of the Sith's hatred in this final film, I would definitely appreciate the effort (as long as he doesn't reduce it to something as stupid as mitochlorians).
In the 2-on-1 lightsabre duel from Epsiode I there is a moment where the fighting has ceased. Gui-Con and Darth Maul are separated by a plasma wall and Obi-won is even further away. Maul walks around like a caged tiger while Gui-Con just sits there meditating. This is not exciting! This does not build suspense! This does not move the story foward! I couldn't believe that they would just sit there like that. That was the perfect opportunity for a short conversation between warriors to take place and give the audience insight into the conflict! Doesn't Maul have anything to say? Doesn't he even want to mock the jedi? Is Gui-Con so dead to the world that he's not even remotely curious why this guy has appeared out of nowhere to kill him?
I, too, would like to know what this "revenge" the Sith want is all about. Here's hoping that Lucas will finally answer this question in the new film. Otherwise, it just becomes a stupid white hats vs. black hats space western. Aren't we a little old for that?
GMD
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:5, Funny)
Re:dark side versus evil (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't even want to talk about the new movies. If they did try to 'explore' the dark side, it would probably be explained that "the Sith have Meta bad ians". Oh, if only Joseph Campell were alive to tell Lucas how to write mov
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:3, Interesting)
> the way they are
My understanding is that Star Wars canon says that the Jedi wiped out the Sith 1000 years before TPM. There may have been something later than that, but Darth Maul did say in TPM, "At last we'll reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we'll have our revenge." Too bad for Darth Maul the actual revenge didn't happen until Episode III when Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader kills almost all the Jedi (presumably). Thus the "Revenge o
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:5, Interesting)
W.R.T your comments on the TPM lightsaber battle, I can't help but disagree. What Lucas lacks in ability to pen effective dialog, he *more* than makes up for in visuals. At the point when the three were seperated by the laser fields, you were able to gain great insight into each of the character's motives. You're right, Maul was pacing "like a caged animal". There's no better way to describe this. His whole purpose in Palpatine's plan is to be an assassin and enforcer. At this point, his entire focus was on his blind hatred of the Jedi. Qui-gon, knowing he was overmatched, took a moment to meditate. The simple act of him closing his eyes at this moment gives the most revealing insight into his character: He has total trust in the Force. Even when faced with the most fearsome opponent of his life, and every instinct in his human nature should be telling him not to take his eyes off of Maul, he is able to resist, control his fear, and put his total faith in the Force guiding his actions. Obi-wan, seperated from his master is torn between the two, unsure of what his next move should be. His inexperience and immature knowledge of the force are now painfully obvious. In one shot, he looks at the barrier as though he is trying to will it open, but to no avail. This scene was brilliant, and to add dialog to it would have ruined the moment.
And as far as your White Hat/Black hat western comment. Well, sorry, that's what you're gonna get. If you look at the OT, it doesn't get any more good guys vs. bad guys than the Rebels vs. the Empire, and that aspect isn't gonna change. Lucas has said since the 70's that this was his goal: to make a "space western" in the flavor of the saturday sci-fi serials that he grew up with.
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:3, Insightful)
Like who?? And why can't you believe he didn't succumb to the dark side after Maul's fall?? There were 10 years between the two prequels. Dooku was an "idealist". Like his apprentice, Qui-gon, he had misgivings about the senate. At some point (presumably between ep1 & 2), this drove him away from the Jedi order
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:5, Funny)
The Sith hate the Jedi because they love freedom.
Re:he just had to have revenge (Score:2)
Originally Star Trek 2 was supposed to be titled Revenge of Khan, but they changed it so it didn't sound like they were copying Star Wars.
Bring out the acronym (Score:5, Funny)
Star Wars Episode III: ROTS.
Yeah, that's likely pretty accurate.
The real revenge of the Sith... (Score:4, Funny)
This is the dark side of the trilogy!
Revenge? (Score:3, Insightful)
What exactly are the Sith "avenging"? I can't think of anything the "good guys" have done so far that wasn't provoked by the "bad guys", so as far as I can see there's no revenge here -- just business as usual for the bad guys.
Re:Revenge? (Score:3, Informative)
There are what 2 Sith left? The Jedi thought they eradicated the Sith. Now the Sith will eradicate the Jedi except for Yoda and Obi Wan. This seems kind of straight forward.
Re:Revenge? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Revenge? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Revenge? (Score:2)
The title doesn't say "Attack of the Jedi," it says "Revenge of the Sith." The Sith now, in Episode III, complete their revenge on the Jedi.
Re:Revenge? (Score:4, Insightful)
You people let George Lucas down. All of you.
Wow... (Score:2, Funny)
Damn, I was hoping for... (Score:2, Funny)
...Stoned Beaver
No, seriously, this sounds *so* kewl. I wonder if it will have Ewoks in it?
The title... (Score:3, Insightful)
With the unfortunate acronym... (Score:3, Funny)
Gee...I hope that's not an omen.
Yes! (Score:2)
Re:Yes! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yes! (Score:2)
the only worry is, what if lucas was lying when he said he was only going to make one more trilogy? We know that the outline for episodes 7-9 exists, and it only takes a small dent in his pocketbook before he decides it's time to go on another merchandising run...
Re:Yes! (Score:3, Funny)
Even if he dies, his family will probably hire the 'Police Academy' people to pimp, er, pump out a few more golden kernels. And with the Sonny 'Look Out For That Tree!' Bono Perpetual Copyright Act, it will be a never ending gravy train. Let's face it: like herpes, Star Wars will be around for a long, long time.
Re:Yes! (Score:2)
The Old "Making of..." Documentaries (Score:4, Interesting)
Jim Ward, Vice President of Marketing for Lucasfilm and Executive Producer of the DVDs spoke about the upcoming release, and announced that the epic feature-length documentary, Empire of Dreams: The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy, would appear as a special edited-for-television edition on the A&E network this fall.
Okay, so this question isn't exactly about Episode III. Bear with me, please.
Does anyone know if this 'Empire of Dreams' documentary is going to include all the stuff from the "Making of..." specials they showed on TV in the 80s? Even though I was a kid at the time, I thought those things were fascinating. And I think today, after being innundated with all those "Making of..." featurettes on DVD which just feature some pasty-faced geek typing away at a computer, watching how spfx were done before computers would really be exciting to see again.
Does anyone know if that stuff is going to be included? Or is this new documentary just going to be a bunch of interviews with cast and crew, reminiscing about the good old days? Something tells me that Lucas would be hard-pressed to let people see the "archaic" (read: non-computer) means they used for spfx in the original trilogy.
GMD
Re:The Old "Making of..." Documentaries (Score:2)
The special effects in the original were state of their art for their time, just as the effects in the prequel trilogy are theoretically state of the art for their time. (They really botched the compositing of several of their CG effects into episode I, hence the theoretically.)
As such, Lucas might get a giggle out of a "then and now" comparison. I know I would...
Insanity (Score:5, Funny)
But this new movie is going to be good. Really, it will. I have a very good feeling about it -- you can tell from the logo.
not very interesting, but... (Score:2)
(Apparently some of the crew all got t-shirts with that title on them, which are worth decent money now.)
Slashdot: all advertising, all the time (Score:2)
Re:Slashdot: all advertising, all the time (Score:2)
Oh man (Score:2)
Oh, and rearrange the letters of "Sith" and see what you get. My sentiments exactly.
"Revenge of the SH***"
Those poor, poor sperm (Score:5, Funny)
That's a lot of DNA which will never get passed on.
Important Question (Score:2)
Has anyone noticed? (Score:5, Interesting)
Episode 1 & 4:
They are being chased/hunted, making several escapes, narrowly escaping defeat. Each movie ends with a very clear ending and a large ceremony celebrating the victory.
Episode 2 & 5:
This episode tells a story with family ties. In the 5th episode, we find out that Vader is really Anakin. In the 2nd episode, we see anakin falling in love with Padme. Both episodes end in a continuation type ending, leaving more questions than answers, with no real closure.
Episode 3 & 6? Will 3 follow the layout of episode 6?
Does it seem like Lucas is using the cookie cutter approach?
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Re:Has anyone noticed? (Score:3, Funny)
Does it seem like Lucas is using the cookie cutter approach?
Hopefully in Episode 3, instead of the "cute" (to George Lucas) creatures (which would be, in this case, the Gungans) triumphing, they will be instead driven to extinction by Empire rendering Naboo uninhabitable. Jar-Jar gets a magnificently prolonged death scene where, due to his stupidity, he believes Anakin is still a good guy throughout the course of the film, but finally figures it ou
I just ebayed the original trilogy on LaserDisc (Score:4, Insightful)
Lucas refuses to release his originals, as if by removing them from market they will cease to exist. A filmmaker who destroyed his own work in a Quixotic search for the continuing perfection of his one significant piece; without any new ideas, paths, or art to express. What about future historians who wish to research the cultural shifts the movie set in force or effects technology of that era? Lets hope there's a 35mm print somewhere in the Library of Congress somewhere safe. Yeah, he owns it. It's his copyrighted work. He should have every right to change it as he sees fit. But he shouldn't have the right to revoke history in the process. Yet another example of IP trampling culture.
So I bought the original trilogy in widescreen on Laserdisc. It's not anamorphic DVD, so I suppose it could look better. But it's what I remember as a kid. Cheesy model effects, the Guido murder Han, and all. Wonder if these old LDs will be worth something soon...
--Maynard
Re:I just ebayed the original trilogy on LaserDisc (Score:5, Insightful)
This felt so unfair to me at first. I've still got the original VHS tapes of the original movies. I thought, wow, how lucky I am to have something that will probably never make it out onto DVD.
But then I came to my senses. Lucas knows full well how many people want to own the original films on DVD. I predict that after the altered original trilogy goes on sale, the REAL originals will too, after a few years, and probably in 2007, just in time for the first movie's 30th anniversary.
This would squeeze the maximum amount of money out of us fans. So, it MUST be true!
Don't Buy the DVD's (Score:3, Insightful)
I Sense... (Score:4, Funny)
For all the Geeked out haters (Score:4, Interesting)
If everything followed the novels then everything would be too predictable in my opinion. If I recall Spiderman nor LOTR followed everything that happened in the comics or novels. But did this make the films less enjoyable? No, they didn't.
When Peter Jackson makes another sequel and it doesn't match up(which he will) will you be little him as well.
Atleast GL makes entertaining films for all ages not just SW fans which I give him credit for. Unlike LOTR most kids won't stay the 3 hrs to watch it. But they will for SW. Sometimes I think most forget that SW was designed more for kids and teenagers not some old adult. Remember critics and adults back in the late 70's said the orig. SW wouldn't make any money but it did, because it was written for the kids not the adults in mind.
You know your Geek when you complain about movie franchise continuity over the net
He's got one more chance. (Score:3, Funny)
Great. (Score:3, Interesting)
He's also realized that e) the great majority of his audience were fans of the originals and f) repeating yourself requries no creativity therefore g) he'll throw in as many references to the originals as possible. (Tatooine, the bots, Jabba, Chewbacca...)
(*: however, the right dialogue can greatly improve a fight scene, especially a duel. See "I want my father back, you son of a bitch! ")
I was there! (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, the Sin City panel was to take place immediately after the Star Wars thing (in the same hall). So I went in early and sat in on the last half hour of the Star Wars bit. This turned out to be just in time to see them show some preview stuff, and announce the name. Then Hayden came out, and there were questions from the audience. It was a very cool thing to be there for.
On another note, Sin City (based on the graphic novels by Frank Miller) looks as though it is going to be one of THE BEST movies of next year. Director Robert Rodriguez insisted on doing a translation of the stories (instead of an adaptation), and the preview they showed was amazing (it should be released online in about 3 weeks).
And yes, Jessica Alba was unbelievably stunning, drop-dead gorgeous, and every other synonym for beautiful that there is. I don't care what anyone says, she is the most perfect female specimen possible. =D
Mr. Spleen
Internal working title (Score:3, Funny)
WHAT?!?! No Holiday Special DVD? (Score:5, Interesting)
Nothing says Star Wars like Bea Arthur and Art Carney.
Don't know about the Star Wars Holiday Special? Google for it. You won't be disappointed.
I -HATE- surprise celebrity guests (Score:3, Interesting)
One of the things that put me off Star Wars : THe phantom menace, was those 'celebrities' playing roles, that totally f*cked over the Universe.
Come on, Samuel L. Jackson as one of the wise guys... Seriously...
Mr. Lucas (Score:5, Funny)
If you must post here, please sign up to a Slashdot user account so we at least know it's you. Otherwise people will get the impression that someone really gives a crap about your stupid franchise anymore.
Kind Regards,
Boba Fett
Re:Mr. Lucas (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:2)
I would be more excited if the actual transformation took place somewhere in the middle of the movie and we actually saw the effects of Darth Vader rising to power, but so far I haven't seen anything telling this.
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:5, Insightful)
I loved the evil evil person that darth vader was. He scared me. His empire scared me. And there was this small group of people fighting this monolith of evil.
The prequels have been about 'nobility' as it slowly falls to this rise of this evil. But it hasn't done anything to make me feel like the 'evil' side of things did in the first 3.
And I just watched them 2 weeks ago. I saw them as a kid, and Vader still is 'the man' when it comes to bad guys. No amount of R2D2, or Boba Fett or Yoda will change that.
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:3, Interesting)
Vader is a well-done incarnation of the Jungian "evil father" archetype. The ideas flowed from Jung through Joseph Campbell to Lucas.
Watching the movie again ("ep 4") I'm annoyed that Vader's voice is not as deep as I remembered.
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:4, Interesting)
Episode 1 has Jedi sending a slave child to fight for his life in an arena. Most of the pilots in the podrace died, like any good colluseum race. Afterwards, they free him because of his genetics (anyone who doesn't match the Jedi genotype is considered worthless.) In the republic, we see slavery is common and death is cheap; under the empire, we know of no slaves, and we know there is upward mobility (Luke, a simple rural farmboy, had the chance at higher education) Jabba went from public death spectacles in the Republic to hiding from the empire. The Republic slaughters primitive natives on Naboo, while the Empire allowed them to live in peace right next to a major military base on Endor.
The only people who speak ill of the Empire are people known to be Rebels; the non-aligned people we see are Owen and Beru, who are strongly anti-rebel. The only major atrocity commited by the Empire is the destructioon of Alderaan- but the only person claiming it's a peaceful planet is Leia, who is very clearly lying throught that scene. Diplomatic Mission, indeed.
The Jedi are trying to train people to be amoral. What sort of person would leave his mother in slavery? What sort of evil guardian would condemn someone for attempting to rescue his own mother from slavery? Evil, Evil people. In some ways it is worse than that, they're teaching that no one without a high mitochondria^Wmidicholorian count is worthwhile.
In fact, the Sith's motives are rather opaque except that they oppose the Republic. Considering how evil the Republic is, no real temptation is needed, Vader may just decide that he doens't want to work for the evil "light" Jedi any more, and work to build a better future under an Empire.
The only problem is that this rather makes the end of RotJ a sad thing- the galaxy is now back to anarchy.
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:2)
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Damn it, damn it, damn it (Score:3, Insightful)
Propably because he thinks that the new versions are better and wants to be remembered by his best work ?
"Forget the buggy beta, this is the final release !"
Forget the computer graphics. What I found really distracting is that in ESB, they'
Re:Family Guy Scene? (Score:2)
Re:Why not "Rise of the Sith"? (Score:2)
Re:Why not "Rise of the Sith"? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why not "Rise of the Sith"? (Score:2)
Lucas cancelled the 3rd triologie (Score:2)
But since Starwars 1 & 2 was met with rather lukewarm reception, he decided to call off the 3rd Triologie (for now)
Re:Who cares? (Score:4, Informative)
Why not both? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Who cares? (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm buying either laserdiscs or clean, good quality VHS THX remasters and transferring them to DVD using the hardware I have access to myself.
I don't want the EX Plus Alpha II Special Champion Edition Star Wars. I want Han Shooting first. I want the goddamned seedy bar band, NOT the broadway mupped production number.
And it looks like I'll have to make it myself.
So be it!
Re:This film will be more like a funeral (Score:3)
How much money do you have? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The whole thing depresses me (Score:3, Informative)
Also, you're in the minority on ANH being the best film - ESB is considered to be, by far, the best of the movies. The original (and the others) is severely lacking when it comes to 1) acting; 2) plot; 3) direction; and 4) emotion. However, when you consider the Leigh Brackett (who, by the way,