

More On Shatner's Possible Return To Trek 481
Tycoon Guy writes "Is that the sound of desperation I hear? TrekToday is reporting that, according to a trailer shown at CBS Television City, William Shatner will be appearing on Star Trek: Enterprise for a two-episode guest stint - as James T. Kirk! The most likely writers of his episodes are Trek novelists Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, who already resurrected Kirk in their books, and were just hired as story editors for Enterprise's fourth season." We reported a rumor to this effect a couple of months back.
I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:4, Funny)
Fact: Shatner is too old to play Kirk in the Enterprise timeline without some serious higgledy-piggledy with said timeline.
Probability: Yet Another Time Travel Adventure! YATTA!
'Hate to encourage them.... (Score:4, Interesting)
> without some serious higgledy-piggledy with said timeline.
> Probability: Yet Another Time Travel Adventure! YATTA!
But there *IS* a nice in-continuity answer. And, yes, it does involve time-travel.
Remember the episode of DS9 where they go back in time to "The Trouble With Tribbles"? When Sisko was explaining themselves to those "temporal investigation" guys, remember the recoil when Sisko mentioned Kirk's name? Kirk apparently held the record for the number of "temporal incursions". I remember seeing a website, once, where somebody went through all the episodes and movies, counted the time travel incidents, and came up well short of the figure in DS9. So there's PLENTY of opportunity for Shatner, and the 1701 to pay a visit to Dr. Beckett.
And Shatner has long since hit the point where old people don't get older, they just get fatter instead. He looks, now, like a kind of chunky version of Kirk, circa ST5 or ST6.
cya,
john
Re:Two ways (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:3, Funny)
KHAAAAAN!! [khaaan.com]
Re:I'm... getting too... old for THIS.... ... shit (Score:4, Funny)
oh god please no (Score:5, Funny)
COMING SOON! (Score:3, Funny)
Where Kirk must defeat the Time Travel dudes to once again save the earth... FROM THEMSELVES!
Or something equally as peposterous.
Re:COMING SOON! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:COMING SOON! (Score:4, Insightful)
Sadly, this joke will probably make more sense and be more interesting that whatever the real writers come up with for the show...
When you can't write a decent story... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is just sad.
Re:When you can't write a decent story... (Score:5, Informative)
"Brent Spiner Will Reportedly Appear On Enterprise. Marina Sirtis spilled the beans at a convention in Dallas that Spiner will appear in three episodes playing the grandfather of Data's creator, Dr. Noonien Soong." -- TVTome [tvtome.com]
Enterpise: Greatest Hits (Score:5, Funny)
Kirk!
Data!
Quark's mother!
The guy in the red shirt that got eaten by the monster on that planet they were trapped on!
We even have a special appearance by a cartoon Kzinti!
And Captain Janeway!
All the best from every Star Trek series, movie and cartoon EVER produced!
See Captain Kirk battle the Obsidian Order to save Beverly Crusher!
Re:Enterpise: Greatest Hits (Score:3, Funny)
Enterpise: Greatest Hits Vol II: Wrath of Berman (Score:5, Funny)
The vulcan chick's breasts start expanding for no apparent reason, and the Enterprise is helpless to stop them!
Watch as Gene Roddenbury spins over and over in his grave and is then resurrected like in Star Trek IV!
Watch as Berman tries to save a hopelessly bad space opera which has lost all continuity and has turned into an ugly parody of science fiction!
Personally, I'd rather watch Star Trek: Borg, where you watch as the Borg take over the rest of the planets. I can see it now. "These are the voyages of Borg Cube #200345. It's mission: To explore strange new worlds...to seek out new life, and new civilizations...to annihilate them and steal their technology...to boldly destroy what no man has destroyed before. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." *Cue music*
Re:Enterpise: Greatest Hits Vol II: Wrath of Berma (Score:5, Interesting)
Jesus, even I can be more original than some of their "writers".
Plus, what is Kirk going to do? Come back in time as an old man (as he is now) and tell the first enterprise to do this and that? Or will they have him play Kirk's great great grandfather?
Re:Enterpise: Greatest Hits Vol II: Wrath of Berma (Score:3, Funny)
Not that I think the ST writers would do any better at, say, a legal drama ... "Your honour, I object on the grounds that my client just disappeared into a polaron-induced wormhole." "Bailiff, rotate phase by 90 degrees and fire on that mysterious entity! Bench to sickbay, medical emergency ... and somebody get the courtroom engineer up her
Re:Enterpise: Greatest Hits Vol II: Wrath of Berma (Score:3, Interesting)
Television needs more shows where the villians are the focus. For a change, it'd be fun to root for the Borg, Goa'uld, Overseers, Visitors, Cylons, or even Microsoft.
Re:Enterpise: Greatest Hits Vol II: Wrath of Berma (Score:4, Funny)
You mean like Simple Life 2?
Re:When you can't write a decent story... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When you can't write a decent story... (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, wait . . .
Top 10 Ways to Save the Star Trek Franchise (Score:5, Funny)
9) Show more science officer cleavage.
8) Invert the bullshition particle field and modulate it to 5.69 isohertz!
7) Wait until Paramount is 5 minutes plus a commercial break suspense builder away from canceling the show, and present a contrived and not so suprising solution.
6) Start selling pieces of Deforest Kelly's mummified flesh as souvenirs to the faithful.
5) Show more science officer cleavage!
4) Wait for JMS to pitch another scifi show concept, and then blatantly steal it after the lawyers have lawsuit-proofed the theft.
3) Hide Riker's razor!
2) Holodeck brothels.
And the number one way to save the Star Trek franchise is....
(drum roll)
Buy the new 6th edition Formula TV Plots for Dummies!
Here's the reason... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:3, Funny)
If the pussy is green, there is definitely something wrong with it.
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Here's the reason... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:3, Informative)
--
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:3, Funny)
Kirk (laidback): You know, I can show you how to get there on the cheap....
Re:Here's the reason... (Score:4, Insightful)
Name your own time warp (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Name your own time warp (Score:3, Funny)
Well, madness takes it's toll.
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Evan "Lord knows the man has voyeuristic intentions"
Yeah right (Score:5, Funny)
Theme... (Score:4, Informative)
More entertaining Trek stuff can be found here [stonetrek.com], though they have some bandwidth limitations and it requiresflash. You may check for StoneTrek here, too. [campchaos.com]
Bones (Score:5, Funny)
Time loops are lame plot devices... (Score:3, Funny)
"The franchise is dead, Jim!"
Re:Bones (Score:3, Funny)
Last Chance to See Scotty (Score:5, Interesting)
Sounds cool to me... (Score:5, Funny)
John.
Re:Sounds cool to me... (Score:3, Funny)
Otherwise known as the Austin Powers series...
Make your voice known (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Make your voice known (Score:3, Informative)
I'm actually a huge Ben Folds fan, so I'm very curious to see how it's going to turn out.
Shatner older, more rotund (Score:5, Funny)
They'll have to slather him with makeup and airbrush half of him out of the frames.
Shatner in new ST not all bad.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Would be simpler to use a digitally produced Kirk (Score:4, Interesting)
The flexibility and dynamic range that this affords the director will make for a better movie.
Now all we need is for someone to take hit Al Pacino over the head, steal his copy of Simpone and adapt :)
Re:Would be simpler to use a digitally produced Ki (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Would be simpler to use a digitally produced Ki (Score:3, Insightful)
I went through t
Lame (Score:5, Funny)
Straight up... (Score:5, Interesting)
Next, we have William Shatner; one of the people who is now simply famous for being/playing himself (Christopher Walken, Adam West, Leonard Nimoy, Ron Jeremy, etc.)
I can see nothing bad coming from this. It could be really good and well written. Or, it could be cheesy, and I think I'd like it more in that case. Either way, between that and Corner Gas, I'm going to be quite entertained this season....
Re:Straight up... (Score:5, Insightful)
But when I saw that Nazi alien in the season-ender, I had this feeling.... "Is that Captain Sam Beckett on a motorcycle? In the air? Is that a shark in a tank underneath him? Is he mutting 'Oh, boy'?"
I don't see how they can bring James T. Kirk back with anything resembling any sense. If they didn't jump the shark already, this likely will do it.
Would that there was some way to rewind back to the beginning of the series and start over from scratch, and add two absolute, inflexible, never-to-be-violated Commandments:
I: Thou Shalt Not Time Travel. Never. Ever. There is no such thing. It does not exist. It shall never be mentioned as a possibility.
II: Thou Shalt Not Ride The Transporter. Ideally, the transporter should not have been invented yet. Possibly, it exists as only a cargo-transport device, people are scared of it, and *no one* is willing to ride it. McCoy had an old-fashioned dislike of the transporter; maybe here we could see the fashionable thinking that became old in Kirk's time: The transporter destroys you utterly and makes a copy elsewhere. This is a Bad Thing.
Lame (Score:3, Insightful)
The lamest thing in Star Trek is the sloppy way they throw time travel in as a weak plot device to jam characters from the campy old 60s show into the modern ones. The TNG episodes with old timey characters: a 400 year old Bones, a Scotty who'd been stuck in a transporter beam for centuries, Spock - a vulcan who lives for centuries, shows up and even though physiologically he shouldnt be that much older, he looks like King Tut's corpse.
I guess it would be too much work to try and make Enterprise a genuinely interesting show. I'm sure the "James T Kirk appears on a very special Enterprise" promos will spike their ratings a point or two for the first half of the episode, then people tune out after realizing that the show just plain stinks.
Maybe Shatner will kill this crappy show. Perhaps Scott Bakula will mysteriously turn up floating face-down in a swimming pool.
Re:Lame--due to pretty-face episodic ensembles (Score:3, Insightful)
In a real navy (well, at least in the USN, surface ships), crew members rotate. In SOME billets, personnel might remain at a command (as specific ship or base, not referring to being "in command") for
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The man couldn't even save Iron Chef USA (Score:4, Funny)
Time line... (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh, shit, you can fill in the blanks with your own imagination...
Re:Time line... (Score:4, Funny)
Easy. He probably knocked up some chick in the 80s when they went back to get that whale. It'll be his illigitimate son.
They should CGI in a more youthful Shatner.... (Score:5, Interesting)
They'll have to slather him with makeup and airbrush half of him out of the frames.
Maybe they can do the same thing they did for the guy in Lord of the Rings who played Gollum. Have Shatner on the set acting with all the other characters and then CGI an image of how he looked back in the 60's on top. Like a virtual face lift.
Awesome (Score:5, Funny)
Where to begin? (Score:4, Funny)
Like a bad pun (Score:5, Funny)
Star Trek XII: So Very Tired. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Star Trek XII: So Very Tired. (Score:5, Funny)
"Capitains Log, Stardate 1423964; I've lost my toupe and girdle, and can't leave my room" - Tom, MST3K
That's nice, but (Score:3, Insightful)
"Mysteria... profunde... amor!"
I Think I'm Going to be Ill... (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong; I think Shatner has entered his period of self-parody very gracefully (the latest Priceline commercials are really cute). But to re-enter the role of Kirk means playing it straight, and I just don't think he can pull that off anymore.
But more importantly, I think it shows just how creatively bankrupt Star Trek has gotten under Berman's watch. I lost interest in DS9 at about season two, watched perhaps half a dozen episodes of Voyager, and saw Enterprise's pilot, but that's about it. Maybe I'm getting old and crochety, but there's just no sense of wonder there anymore.
Schwab
Re:I Think I'm Going to be Ill... (Score:5, Insightful)
As for the Shatner coming back as Kirk thing, I suspect it will be either 1.) He's not really goign to be Kirk but an ancestor as someone else suggested or 2.) We will get another glimpse of the future through Daniels and that's where Kirk will show up. He'll be in his proper time period so no continuity hijinx.
Re:I Think I'm Going to be Ill... (Score:3, Insightful)
Amen. I made it through Part I of the Enterprise pilot but couldn't stomache watching any more of it. To me the original series is canon. Period. Until Berman either A) realizes it or B) leaves the helm; the entire universe will continue to suffer.
The Star Trek universe was amazingly constructed by Roddenberry. It allowed for the exploration of countless topics through the lens of thousand
How old is Shatner now, anyway? (Score:5, Funny)
And sign me up for CGI kirk with Shatner doing the voice-overs. I don't think I have the stomach (or maybe he has too much of one) to see Bill jumping around the stage with a ripped shirt fighting some rubber lizard over a great-looking woman.
Heck -- just get rid of all of them except the great-looking women. We could do a new show, sort of a cross between Baywatch and Trek. Something like "Nebula-Watch"
Re:How old is Shatner now, anyway? (Score:3, Informative)
http://imdb.com/name/nm0000638/
Let me guess... (Score:4, Funny)
he's ........ (Score:5, Funny)
back.
Wouldn't do that much for the franchise (Score:3, Insightful)
Kirk wasn't the best captain. Piccard was. As a matter of fact, the original show was good not because of Kirk, but because of the chemistry of the crew: Bones (what kind of nickname is that anyway?) was an alcoholic. You can see that from the way his eyes were always watery. Scotty was probably the only one in his family that finished college, and the rest of the crew was great too.
The next generation had horrible, boring and pollitically correct crewmates, and a kickass captain. (Q and borg were good too)
(You'd better believe that when Piccard would say "Fire at Will!" I'd be the first one to unload a clip into that John Tesh-liking bearded wimp.)
Voyager had 7of9, DS9 had a story, and Enterprise has hmm... not sure yet.
So in conclusion, I believe that it's the characters and their chemistry that makes the show, not any one individual or the wacky situations they're put in. A couple of shots of Kirk are too little, too late.
Re:Wouldn't do that much for the franchise (Score:5, Funny)
Hoshi!
They should just call it "Hoshi in Space" and have the camera follow her around for 45 mins...
Time Travel explots (Score:5, Interesting)
Better yet, how about we get Fred Savage to play a father reading the book out loud to his son... the series can then alternate between Enterprise clips, and the son interrupting him with things like, "Eww... not that kissing stuff again", ala Princess Bride.
Quantum Leap (Score:5, Funny)
Sponsored by Real Audio(TM) (Score:4, Funny)
I hate to quote a Microsoft VP, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Star Trek is a classic example of something that was good, but has been rehashed so many times that it's all tapped out. The mine is spent. The well is dry. Star Trek has died on the vine.
I can't think of any more rediculous ways of saying it. Star Trek must die, for the good of Star Trek. Let it die. Let someone new pick it up again in a decade. End the madness now!
Its official... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Its official... (Score:3, Funny)
Actually, the shark traveled back in time to jump over its younger self. Ironically, the two sharks saw eachother, and the Enterprise universe spontaneously cancelled itself.
Some stupid time-travel thing? (Score:3, Interesting)
The only reason I want to watch is to find out if they can manage some really clever way to make it not suck.
Kirk could easily come out of The Nexus... (Score:3, Interesting)
Nice. Intergalactic, soul-duplicating Xerox machine for resurrecting characters at will. Oh, look! Somehow, Khan got in the Nexus too! ROUND 3: FIGHT!
Last words not so stupid... (Score:3, Interesting)
Synchronicity on teh intarweb (Score:3, Informative)
From memepool: Bring Back Kirk! [bringbackkirk.com]
Between what's happened to Star Trek and Star Wars over the last decade or so, my childhood lies in tattered ruins...
How Kirk Gets There (Score:3)
After his retirement from Starfleet, Kirk exploits his Galaxy-wide fame by appearing as a spokesman for PRICETIME, the new commercial venture set up to exploit the dozen or so different time-travel mechanisms Trek has come up with. "Name Your Own Stardate" becomes an irresistible slogan.
Unfortunately, while shooting a PriceTime ad on location in the past, Kirk's film crew is ambushed and nearly wiped out by a team from PriceTime's fierce competitor, KHANPEDIA. Only Kirk survives, marooned on the World of Suzie Wong. His teeth chattering amid the plastic snow and rubber rocks, the delirious Kirk mutters "Kirk to Enterprise" which is miraculously picked up by the prequel vessel cruising nearby.
This episode, "Margin of Promise," is the highest rated of the season, losing only to CRANK YANKERS and a TBS rerun of "The Cable Guy."
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Re:goodby priceline, hello star trek. (Score:4, Informative)
Adam West said that about playing Batman. Robin was pissed off.
Re:So much for keeping any hint of a coherent seri (Score:5, Funny)
They've done far worse than kill you. They've hurt you and they wish to go on hurting you. They shall leave you as you left Voyager, as you left Deep Space Nine, marooned. for all eternity in the center of a dead science fiction universe: buried alive (with your television set).
Re:So much for keeping any hint of a coherent seri (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sigh. . . (Score:5, Funny)
Or another season of black filler between the commercials. Or another season of static. Or another season of being kicked in the groin by a large horse.
Re:Sigh. . . (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sigh. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
You can get away with comparing it with TOS (even comparing it favorably). but thats about it.
Re:Sigh. . . (Score:3, Informative)
I like it because it doesn't take itself _too_ seriously, and uses the sci-fi setting more as a means than an end. Sure, they're on a space ship, but that's just a "home" that moves.
It also focuses more on the characters than the tech (which Trek does a lot)
Re:Uh oh... (Score:3, Funny)
Or something...
The Temporal Prime Directive (Score:3, Interesting)