Wired Releases Creative Commons Sampling CD 185
An anonymous reader writes "In this month's issue of Wired Magazine, there is an included CD featuring songs from The Beastie Boys, David Byrne, among others. The unique thing about the CD is that all of the tracks are released under Creative Commons Licences, making them legal to share."
Good idea (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Good idea (Score:1)
Re:Good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
You can already get 30 second previews from iTunes, Amazon and hundreds of music sites. What does that have to do with Creative Commons?
so ? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:so ? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hang on a second.
What they have done is either legal, or it is not.
If they are subject to a lawsuit as a result of something legal, provided they are willing to fight it out (and trust me, they will be) the RIAA will be the loser.
Being the defendant in a lawsuit is not necessarily a problem. Being the loser is.
Re:so ? (Score:3, Insightful)
like they know what type of license it is, They know one thing: $$$
The RIAA might be greedy, but they're not morons, and I'm s
Re:so ? (Score:3, Informative)
I don't believe that RIAA is as fanatical as the
Sharing is only the half of it (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't just about "good free music" (though it looks like it is that). It's about artists and labels "getting it" about what creates a culture of creativity and walking the walk.
Seeing this makes me happy.
RD
Wrong. (Score:5, Interesting)
Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommercial sharing and commercial sampling, but advertising uses are restricted.
Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and
noncommercial sampling.
Re:Wrong. (Score:5, Informative)
Some don't allow commercial sampling.
Re:Sharing is only the half of it (Score:5, Informative)
Great, just like Linux distributions (Score:1, Insightful)
Rubbish (Score:5, Insightful)
In fact, by assembling a variety of licence options under one roof and explaining the options in a consistant and coherant way (and with comics [creativecommons.org]), they go a long way to helping people really understand the issues.
Re:You do realise (Score:2)
It was ever thus. But what changes? (Score:5, Interesting)
How is this new set of CC licenses new? I can't answer that for everyone, but only one thing changes for me: I host "Digital Citizen" on alternate Wednesdays from 8-10p on my local community radio station (WEFT 90.1 FM). On my show, I air only things which can be copied and distributed (at least verbatim). CC-licensed music and talks make up a good deal of my show (in the language of CC licenses, I make a "Collective" work).
The Sampling license doesn't allow the entire work to be copied and distributed. But the other sampling licenses (Sampling Plus, and Non-Commercial Sampling Plus) do allow the entire work to be copied and distributed. So, for the first time, knowing that a work is a CC-licensed work is not enough to merit inclusion in my show. I have to make sure a CC-licensed work is not licensed to me under the Sampling license.
This isn't a big deal, but it is a change.
More pants = More badly dressed people (Score:2)
Of course, it also means less half-naked people too !
Re:Great, just like Linux distributions (Score:2)
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"The" Creative Commons licence? (Score:5, Informative)
For example some of the tracks on the disc are only samplable (?) for noncommercial purposes which is probably a restriction that doesn't fit with some peoples ideas of "freedom".
Re:Sharing is only the half of it (Score:3, Interesting)
No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:5, Informative)
Chuck D and the Beastie Boys, two bands who have built their careers on sampling (like most of the artists on the CD) won't let you sample their work commercially. (The other band that doesn't is "My Morning Jacket", but I don't know who they are.)
Bizarre.
Ask Chuck D yourself... (Score:2, Informative)
Chuck D's been pretty vocal [rapstation.com] on the side of pro-music sharing, so I'd be interested in anyone who might ask him why he doesn't want to be sampled...
Re:Ask Chuck D yourself... (Score:5, Informative)
Ok. I sample a chunk off a record (say, the bassline from Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax). I get permission from ZTT to use that sample, but not to distribute it apart from my record. This effectively means I can't give people permission to sample my record, in case they sample the bit off Relax. It's a viral licensing scheme, effectively, where "closed" samples "infect" otherwise open content.
Not necessarily (Score:2)
If you really wanted "your" content to be open to sampling, you could make a statement like: the content between 1:25 and 1:51 is not open to sampling unless you acquire per
MMJ (Score:1)
All of you should check them out, and support them if you like them by going to see them if/when they play in your town, because thats
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly...
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:2)
Offtopic, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a good thing that these songs are being released will less restrictions than normal, it's a bad thing that slashdot is giving the impression that the songs are totally unrestricted. 2 different issues!
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:2)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:2)
Perhaps *they* have licensing problems? (Score:5, Insightful)
can't give you sampling rights because they licensed them themselves...
Sorry, but the commercial world, she's a bitch.
Re:Perhaps *they* have licensing problems? (Score:2)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:1)
Classsical musicians once used to perform variations and improvements on each other's work. Nowadays, if someone tried that, they'd be in court quicker than you can say "Mozart".
Jazz does variations and improvisations - of course nowadays you'd need a team of lawyers first.
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:2)
Re:No commercial sampling for a few. (Score:3, Interesting)
Every time a new Beasties album comes out, there's another lawsuit and they refine what's cutting edge for legal sampling. They've had their chops busted over what you or I would think is sane use soooo many times. Flute players who had three notes of audio sampled *after* it had been licensed. AC/DC suing over a riff used in "Rock Hard". License to Ill and Paul's Boutique were an endless headache for them..
So why the hell would you share you
contract (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:contract (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:contract (Score:4, Informative)
Of course, that only covers the rights to the recording. You'll also need permission from whoever is the copyright holder, which usually means the songwriter's publisher, rather than the songwriter.
Where? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Where? (Score:2, Insightful)
No - in my excitement, I did not RTFA. Sorry about that.
However, "this month" is not November, IMHO (and I think the Gregorian calendar agrees with me).
Re:Where? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:RTFA (Score:4, Informative)
RTFA
Clip magazine, November issue (get the CD free with your copy, on newsstands now!) end clip
what month is it? (Score:2, Funny)
You missed april fools by 6 months.
So, it's legal to download ... (Score:3, Funny)
This makes sense... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This makes sense... (Score:2)
Then how come the first time you hear a Will Smith song its okay, but then after the third week of it being played 5 times an hour or so, you never want to hear it again? (Luckily this isn't much of an issue post-y2k, he seems to not be flooding us with songs now that hes focusing on movies)
How can the Beasty Boys (Score:5, Interesting)
Plus, they're listing theirs under the 'Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and noncommercial sampling' which is fine and good for them; I'd be curious to know how many songs they've 'bitten' over the years that never got attributed.
Paul's Boutique was an excellent example of how sampling should work, and how completely new works can be made from old - that was a fantastic record.
Then we've got P. Duddy to show how old works can be ruined by 'sampling' *entire songs*. Ugh.
It IS great to see that there is some attempt at a revamp of copyright, and this CD will only increase the exposure of CC. At least until the songs get on P2P and are all mixed up with ones that are not legal to share...
Re:How can the Beasty Boys (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I've got mixed feelings on the B-Boys. I have been a longtime fan, spent a -shitload- of money on their CD's, and the DRM on their last one was a huge slap in the face. So my B-Boy CD collection is complete, except for their latest. Unless something changes drastically, I won't be buying any more of their stuff.
For a band with "'tude", who are built their little empire on "rhymin' and stealin'", releasing a DRM'd CD, then telling their fans, "it's not us, dude, get over it" was the height of hypocrisy.
Yeah, I'm a little bitter.
It's going to take more than a little publicity stunt like this to make up for what they did, releasing one track under a non-commercial-only sampling license is a pretty weak apology.
Beasty Boys - Bit by the lawyers? (Score:5, Interesting)
It could be legal problems -- If they live by sampling, they'll have to get the rights to release the samples that they're using.. They may not have been able to get a release for anything more than non-commercial sampling.
As for the flip-flop, they may be experimenting to see which approach sells more records, or they may be trying to get back into the good books of all the fans they would have pissed off with a DRM'ed CD.
Re:How can the Beasty Boys (Score:4, Insightful)
According to their statement, all of the albums released by their label outside of
Plus, they're listing theirs under the 'Noncommercial Sampling Plus: Songs under this license allow noncommerical sharing and noncommercial sampling' which is fine and good for them; I'd be curious to know how many songs they've 'bitten' over the years that never got attributed.
I don't know for sure, but it may be that songs on the album use samples whose license forbids resampling.
Just a guess.
Re:How can the Beasty Boys (Score:2)
That last little bit "it was forced on them." They had to willingly sign the contract which allowed it to be "forced" on them. If the actual contract was "forced" on them by threat of violence it's considered void anyway. I think
Simple (Score:2, Insightful)
Do you *REALLY* think that the Beastie Boys have the power to tell their record label what to do? Those tricky T&C of contracts tend make the band release the album in accordance with what the label wants. Hen
Re:How can the Beasty Boys (Score:2, Informative)
Here's the deal with copy protection on To the 5 Boroughs. Read it.
Beastie Boys' To the 5 Boroughs.
standard policy for all Capitol/EMI titles (and a policy used by all major labels in Europe).
To the 5 Boroughs is Macrovision's CDS-200, which sets up an audio player
into the
Sampling versus fair use (Score:2)
Metallica? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Metallica? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Metallica? (Score:5, Funny)
PS - I listen to them too
DRM free Metallica (Score:5, Interesting)
Metallica are selling FLACs of their live concerts here [livemetallica.com]. In their FAQ they acknowledge that they know they aren't DRM protected and can be shared.
The main problem with this is Slashdot itself. When I discovered this at least six months ago I thought this was pretty major news as Metallica were one of the main, vocal opponents of DRM free music, which of course means it easily can be distributed via P2P file sharing. Do you think my Slashdot submission was noticed ? I don't ever remember seeing it.
Maybe Slashdot has secretly been taken over by RIAA, and don't want Metallica's change of heart to be known about by anti-DRM proponents.
Re:DRM free Metallica (Score:2)
Not to nitpick, but your post almost makes it sound like Metallica went the next step and authorized sharing of these concerts. They haven't. They do have a site called Metallica Vault [metallicavault.com] which I was about to say had three shows when the St. Anger album was released and probably will never be updated again, but I look now and see that they have, apparently, put new shows up. They do allow and supposedly encourage people
Amazing (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Amazing (Score:3)
Re:Amazing (Score:2)
Re:Amazing (Score:3, Insightful)
How can I get it internationally? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How can I get it internationally? (Score:2)
Is it possible to order only that one issue of Wired internationally instead of subscribing for 12 months?
I don't know of any way to order single issues online. Perhaps you could find someone to buy issues off a newstand and ship them.
Or maybe you can find someone to burn a CD for you. I know it's not the same as having a nicely labeled official copy (although the real label is pretty bland), but hey, this is one of the few times that we can suggest that a CD be opening copied and shared (viva Creativ
Re:Mod parent up! (Score:2)
Re:Mod parent up! (Score:1, Insightful)
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> Duh!
Very funny. And what if I live in the Czech Republic? Duh?
Re:Mod parent up! (Score:2)
Morpheus supports Creative Commons (Score:5, Informative)
(Obligatory) OGGs would be better (Score:2)
Move along, nothing to see here.
Re:Morpheus supports Creative Commons (Score:2)
That's fraud, and that's a crime (Score:2)
I'm afraid certain people will be tagging actually illegal-to-share content as legal-to-share.
In the United States, it's a tort and a crime to falsify a license notice (17 USC 1202 [cornell.edu]). A label would have even bigger grounds to sue people who fraudulently mark a work as CC licensed than it would against the average file-sharing app user, and investigation into such offenses would have the backing of both the FBI (for copyright fraud) and a State's investigatory agency (for fraud in general).
What I want to know is... (Score:4, Informative)
So this means that all of these artists are appearing here with the permission of the record labels, though there may be a few exceptions.
An artist like the Beastie Boys can negotiate a favorable record contract with a smaller label. David Bowie does this. He sold the future royalties to all of his songs (it's amazing that he had them in the first place), and now only works with smaller record labels that are happy to have him because he's gauranteed sales, and in exchange they give him complete creative control. It's just a small step to negotiating ownership of your music as well.
An artist like Zap Mama (an excellent group, by the way) may, by virtue of being small, be able to negotiate a favorable contract because they may be able to generate income from things like touring, giving lessons and workshops and so forth, so having a record contract is just a matter of distribution more than promotion... I'm not saying this is the case for Zap Mama, they're actually fairly big, especially outside of the United States, but *perhaps* they could do this kind of thing.
But.... odds are it didn't happen this way. Odds are the record company *owns* the rights to all of these songs, and *the record company* decided to release these songs under creative commons. As ar as they're concerned, the artists may not even have needed to be asked do this.
The question then becomes - why would they do something like this? Are they being foward thinking? Didn't Apple just come out with an ipod pre-loaded with U2 songs? Could it be that the record labels are finally attempting new channels of distribution and figuring out new ways of making money in the digital age?
Another poster praised the Beasty Boys for their ability to change, and surely the Beasty Boys had *some* input into what went on their CD, and some input over the release of their songs under Creative Commons. What I want to know is - how much? And how much was the label.
One song by the Brazilian Minister of Culture... (Score:5, Informative)
What? (Score:2)
For shame!
Creative Commons Search Facility (Score:3, Informative)
When I listed my material there CC vaulted to the top of my referrer list in just a couple weeks.
Beware Wired adhesives (Score:2, Informative)
I guess I *will* have to download it.
Did anyone else's CD survive packaging and transport?
Additionally, it's great to see a CD with the copyright notice, "Some Rights Reserved."
Irony (Score:2, Insightful)
Where are the download links on the site, Wired!? sheesh
I know, I know "It's a business, they need to make money", yadda yadda - but one of the biggest points of opening intellectual property in music is that the Internet makes so much more sense as a distribution medium, rather than shipping CDs.
OK.. I'm done bitching
David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* (Score:2)
So are the forces are good and evil in a battle for his immortal soul... or is he just someone who likes to promote his music as much as possible?
Re:David Byrne?... *Hmmmm...* (Score:2)
Re:Even BSD? (Score:2)
Very cute... I assume you refer to the BSD licensing.
If that *had been* what I'd meant, then ultimately Byrne would be responsible in any case, since he freely chose to sign a contract that (directly or possibly very indirectly) resulted in Microsoft getting use of his music.
Following your reasoni
Entertainment industry shake-up (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Entertainment industry shake-up (Score:1)
Re:Entertainment industry shake-up (Score:1)
Re:Entertainment industry shake-up (Score:2)
Re:MPAA (Score:5, Funny)
They don't have much to do with movies either. Just with suing people.
Re:MPAA (Score:3, Funny)
Isn't that our national business?
No!
That would be reality shows!
But hush! That's all only until the hairdressers and telephone sanitizers take over.
Re:MPAA (Score:2)
Re:MPAA (Score:2)
And to fund this they sue people...
The above have nothing to do with providing a service. They are only furthering their own interests. If RIAA and the equivalent organisations world wide label certain albums as gold or platinum, they become more desireable to people who in turn buy more. Film classification is also about having a marketable product for people who have younger
Re:MPAA (Score:2)
Thats exactly what you form an association for. You form associations with like minded individuals to discuss, promote, organize and lobby on behalf of your interests.
The association (in this case the MPAA) provides a service to its members. If you think the money they make from suing people covers the costs of thier operations you are probably too naive to walk outside without an escort.
Members of the RIAA and MPAA pay for the priviledge of being members. In return they get access to a powerful
Re:MPAA (Score:2)
Oh shit. I gotta get to work and I don't have an escort.
Re:High Quality... (Score:1)
Re:High Quality... (Score:4, Informative)
Therefore, when constructing the plural for this noun, you should use the widely accepted English plural, namely, "Vorbises".
Just wanted to clear that up. Vorbii is a pet peeve of mine.
Ogg/Vorbis please. (Score:2)
Partly because It avoids being hit by patents just to play the tunes back and partly because the Vorbis codec offers the best quality/bitrate tradeoff (IMHO).
Re:looks good but, (Score:5, Insightful)
Now it seems like that golden age is coming to an end, forcing artists who can't perform live out of business. A good development, IMHO.
Re:looks good but, (Score:3, Informative)
There are artists who are simply mor
Re:If it's legal to share... (Score:3, Funny)
Bad timing for you then. Reports are that hell froze over last year when Apple released iTunes for Windows.
Too bad the CD wasn't available then. Maybe with all this weird weather we're having, who knows?