A Brief History of the iPod 296
antdude writes "MacSlash mentioned MLAgazine's article on a brief history of the iPod. It all started on October 23, 2001 with the release of one of the most important products from Apple in its history."
I remember the launch... (Score:5, Insightful)
I find it the most indispensable tool in my life. Backup, file transport, music and calendar. With a huge harddrive.
Re:I remember the launch... (Score:5, Interesting)
That would be Taco then [slashdot.org].
Look how well Creative are doing too. From being the first with a HD based MP3 device to playing catch up. Oh and trying to make their products look as similar as possible to Apple's.
Probably not quite the direction they were hoping for.
Re:I remember the launch... (Score:3, Interesting)
It's funny to read that old thread, all the people prediciting how it wouldn't succeed.
Good thing nobody takes business advice from Slashdot.
Re:I remember the launch... (Score:2)
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Re:I remember the launch... (Score:2, Funny)
"Please, please buy one! We'll think about adding it in a future firmware upgrade, please, Steve needs to buy a new turtle neck!"
Re:I remember the launch... (Score:2, Informative)
(It also plays WMA, but I don't know if it does it gaplessly as I don't have any WMAs...)
Winamp plays all these formats just fine, of course.
Re:I remember the launch... (Score:2)
Don't forget the wonderful review at /. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Don't forget the wonderful review at /. (Score:2)
I will note that I knew Apple fans that wouldn't even consider it.
Re:Don't forget the wonderful review at /. (Score:2)
That must have been me. I hated it. I had been hoping for a new Newton, or a smartphone - you know, they had announced "a groundbreaking device".
When I saw that pseudo documentary where Moby and Seal had nothing but praise, my attitude shifted from "I hate it" to "I am disappointed".
A couple of weeks later I happend to hold the iPod in my hand and turn that scroll wheel: clickclickclickclick.
I wanted one. Badly.
Year ? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Year ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Favorite Comment from the Previous Article (Score:5, Funny)
Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port
Raise your hand if you have both
Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device
There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.
~LoudMusic
October 23rd, 2001. Priceless.
Re:Don't forget the wonderful review at /. (Score:2)
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Re:I always loved slashdots first opinions (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I always loved slashdots first opinions (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I always loved slashdots first opinions (Score:4, Insightful)
Most technological advances that make the news here are in-development technologies that may or may not bear fruit in five to ten years. And if anything, the experience of the last 50 years should have taught us that no matter how many times flying cars and nuclear fusion are predicted to be 10 years off, they seem to be perpetually 10 years off.
I think the
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Re:I always loved slashdots first opinions (Score:2)
I'm sorry, were you talking about Slashdot, or Fox News?
Apple's core... (Score:5, Interesting)
Since its inception, Apple has always been willing to gamble more with new products than most other companies
Granted, they flopped with the Newton... but they came out with the mac, the powerbook, peer2peer file sharing out of the box, the trackpad, the powerbook duo, speech recognition integrated on the OS on the 90's, quicktime, and the list goes on... (I would like to give them the mouse and the interface, but as with everything they also have a dark side)
It is good to see they are ripping the benefits of believing in something completely new... ( As they believed in a portable media player by some bogus guy who was rejected by other companies)
Kudos to Apple
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
apple might seem willing to try new ideas.. if you had your eyes blindfolded to other companies. against viewing what other companies have been doing, apple hasn't been that much willing to jump into new territories or trying new areas just for the sake of trying.
(..and ipod was not the first hd mp3 player either)
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2, Interesting)
On the matter of speech, not speech recognition, we have talking moose. if you haven't hear of it, look it up. This, and the trivial way that system level icons could be replaced, kind of a proto-skinning, made that mac a much more personal expe
Re:Apple's core... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know that that's correct. The first Mac I remember using speech on was the Quadra 660 AV which debuted in 1993 with System 7.1. How does that compare to OS/2?
there were laptops before the powerbook was launched - what about the powerbook did you think was innovative?
The PowerBook was the first portable computer you could actually use on your lap. Look at the position of the keyboard on a PowerBook and compare it to the position of the keyboard on any other existing laptop. Apple was the first company to do that: to move the keyboard back so you could have a place to rest your palms. Now all laptops are designed that way. That's a pretty good working definition of "innovative," huh? Being the first one to come up with something that is now universal?
other media wrappers existed prior to quicktime
Like which ones, exactly? (And no, your characterization of QuickTime as a "wrapper" is not correct. It's an extensible media file format plus a vast API.)
"the mac" - it had innovative features for a pc, but it was still, essentially, just another sequential release for a pc company.
I don't even understand that. The Mac was the first widely available computer with a mouse-driven graphical user interface. The Mac changed everything.
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2, Informative)
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Also, I think it's worth pointing out that you say OS/2 needed a sound card. No Mac has ever needed a sound card to do anything.
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Apple's first foray into speech input was a technology demo in 1990 on the Mac IIsi, running System 6.0.7. It was extremely rudimentary. Things improved slightly in 1991 (in System 7.0), but the implemementation was still crude and a bit of work was needed to make it function properly (-- well, I never got it to function properly, anyway
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
In fact, the keyboard at the back was pretty much its unique selling point. Some people hated it, and some people loved it. I remember an author who bought two of the units because it would he thought it was perfect for him.
Granted, 99 p
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
The PowerBook 100, 140 and 170 debuted in October 1991. I'm sure there were non-Apple laptops with the new keyboard design after that, but I'm quite certain that the PowerBook got there first.
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
Either way, the fact that I was selling them at least three to six months ahead of the Powerbook's debut shows that Apple wasn't the first to market with notebooks that placed the keyboard towards the rear. Granted, Apple was probably the first to heavily promote this as a design feature and sell it to its users as such, b
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
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So, thanks for suggesting I've got some sort of senility and can't get my dates right. I really do appreciate it.
I'll say it one more time because you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying: there was at least one notebook out there before Apple's Powerbook launch that had the keyboard towards the rear of the unit, and I saw and s
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2, Informative)
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the facts. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no System 7.3.
Neo: There is no System 7.3?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the fact that bends, it is only your memory.
System 7 goes from 7.1.2 to 7.5, skipping 7.2, 7.3, 7.4 v
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
Apple just have great marketing. That's all there is to it. And so, Ipod is to mp3 as hoover is to vacuum as tivo is to DVR.
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
No, they MARKET their products as being better.
Re:Apple's core... (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple spends far more on their backend research than the others...there might have been other HD MP3 players before the iPod, and I tried several of them before buying an iPod (the closest thing I found that I was happy with was a walkman cd style player that played just like a cd player and was the same form factor as the one I had before that which only played cds...it was still klunky).
No, they spend far more getting this stuff perfect...other players are designed b
Re:Apple's core... (Score:2)
Guarantee (Score:4, Insightful)
As those ass-molded-to-chair managers know, it's always easier to be a skeptic. The numbers of jobs and revenue lost to those WRONG decisions must be staggering.
Re:Guarantee (Score:2)
Indeed, reading The Innovator's Dilemma [amazon.com] shows you how often a disruptive technology can be misjudged. Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
EricA bit unnecessary, no? (Score:4, Funny)
Here's a brief history of the iPod:
First, Apple designed the iPod. One day an engineer came in succinctly blitzed and designed the horrible "I-ain't-seen-this-shit-since-Intellivision" circle navigation wheel thingy. The hippie fruits at Apple all applauded.
Then they bought usage rights to some second-rate cheap ass songs that never got played on the radio anyway, and used them to promote the thing. Said no-name bands became more famous because of the constant never-ending barrage of commercials. "Honey, if I do say so myself, this Black Eyed Peas song is rather good! I absolutely hated it the first 48,000 times I heard it but now it's starting to grow on me!"
Then Apple deployed their proven strategy of making the device look better than it actually performs, thereby luring thoughtless dimwits and college freshmen with enormous piles of high interest credit cards that they somehow "needed" one for Christmas.
Then when people realized that the music they were downloading for free was somehow supporting terrorism, and they were probably going to be castrated in town square, they needed another method to fill up the bottomless hole that is the iPod (seriously, who the hell needs to have that many gigs of mp3s with them at all times?). But wait, Apple was here with a solution! You can download the songs for a low low price, and it's legal! Oh...and the artists still get fucked! Yay! The RIAA can rest easy. iTunes is here.
And a legend was born.
Re:A bit unnecessary, no? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A bit unnecessary, no? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, but that's a good thing these days.
And the control wheel is frickin genius. It's perfect for the one dimensional navigation of the iPod. The Intellivision was a cheap mushy disc totally unsuited to the two dimensional control of a game system.
Re:A bit unnecessary, no? (Score:2)
That disc was (and still IS) the only way to play a video bowling game.
Period.
Re:A bit unnecessary, no? (Score:2)
I seriously hope you're being sarcastic. I don't see how anything free can be labeled "supporting terrorism".. It may be circumventing copyright, or allowing poor people to use computers, but how does that lead to supporting terrorism?
In my mind the whole terrorism schtick, be it the US "seeking" out terrorists or the terrorists attacking, is all in an effort to reduce our freedoms.
Re:A bit unnecessary, no? (Score:2)
How do you rate important? (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Apple I for starting the whole thing?
2. Apple II for making Apple a business?
3. Macintosh for paving the way to the future?
4. iMac for saving the company?
5. iPod for attracting buyers outside of the crowd of believers?
Can Steve Jobs be called a "product" these days, and thus earn a place on the top 5?
Re:How do you rate important? (Score:2)
And I think Steve is more of a brand than a product.
A great history... (Score:2, Interesting)
I didn't know a lot about the history of the iPod, so this was quite interesting to me. I really only started paying attention to the iPod when it was compatible with the PC.
But it would be more interesting to me to see an entire history of the Mp3 player...starting with the first little 32MB ones or whatever came out first, and going right up to the 80GB+ ones we have today. I remember being so excited when I got my first Rio Mp3 flash player. It had 64mb built in, and this was just amazing to me. I l
Re:A great history... (Score:2)
i remember the first mp3 player i bought, about 150 GBP for 32 MB of storage and it was about the same size as an ipod. If i encoded the songs at 64kbps i could just about squeeze 2 albums on! it was magic! i think either the decoding hardware was too poor for me to notice the low quality or i was delusion from being way cooler than the other kids at the time!
History of Hard Disk Players (Score:3, Informative)
Try this:
http://www.rockbox.org/playerhistory/ [rockbox.org]
it's in the new MoMA... (Score:5, Interesting)
didn't see any Rios or Dell laptops, though--go figure;>
Re:it's in the new MoMA... (Score:2)
Design (Score:5, Informative)
I find it interesting that every "iPod killer" attempts to add more features and make it cheaper. Unfortunately this has the side effect of it having a horrible design or uses cheap materials which makes it feel horrible to handle.
Personally I believe that if something looks and feels good, then people will buy it. As soon as a company accepts that there are people who are perfectly happy to pay more for something that looks and feels good, then they might spend a little more on the hardware and less on trying to get it's sales price as low as possible.
I fear that at the moment the only real competitor to Apple was Sony, but then they dropped the ball with a limited hard drive (no 40 gig option?) and the stupid requirement to convert to ATRAC. Creative have never produced a product that remotely looks like it's worth the money that was paid for it and iRiver (whilst being technically very good) needs to seriously review some of their design choices (ruggidised black and a stubbly joypad doesn't appeal to many and definately not to women).
Of course, everyones opinion is different. I know people who think the Creative one is beautiful and the Apple one horrible. But the market has clearly shown that they are in the minority.
More style, more class, less about the price point and someone could actually make it vaiguley close to having an "iPod killer" on their hands.
Re:Design (Score:2)
Re:Design (Score:3, Insightful)
Opinions are neither right nor wrong
Re:Design (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Design (Score:3, Informative)
Sony's CD and DVD players had been using MP3 for a while.
I'm considering a 20GB iPod right now, and won't consider Sony for this task. The 40GB iPod isn't necessary and IMO too thick anyway. I currently only have a 10GB music collection + 1GB software files. It's taken
Re:Design (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Design (Score:2, Funny)
I can think of many women who'd like a rugged black joystick ..
Perhaps you just move in different circles.
Uh, no. (Score:5, Informative)
Uh, no. It started when Tony Fadell had the idea of creating a digital music player and tying it to an online music store a few years before the iPod came out. Inside Look at Birth of the iPod [wired.com] on Wired News covers the stuff that happened before the iPod came out.
Re:Uh, no. (Score:2)
Real Networks DID approach Apple to licence Fairplay. Apple refused. Then they released their own workaround.
Another note that I didn't think of until now, the Newsweek with Jobs on the cover looks kind of like the guy in Sling Blade with an iPod.
It'll never catch on (Score:5, Funny)
Small Objects of Desire (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not a gadget freak anymore, really.
But dammit! Apple have created an object of sheer desirability in the iPod - and especially in the iPod mini.
Despite my (iBod) nickname, It's been many years since I've owned an Apple product (the last was the ill-fated Newton).
I think Apple really understand which buttons to press to get hip, design-aware customers longing for their products (not that I include myself in that demograph). When they've got the trendsetters, the rest will follow.
Credit and kudos where it's due. Apple have a killer product that is even making iPod buyers switch from PCs to Macs, allegedly.
IMHO there will be no 'iPod killer' because nobody understands the intended market for these devices better than Apple.
No self-respecting kid will thank you for getting him/her a 'no-name' MP3 player this Christmas instead of an iPod.
Re:Small Objects of Desire (Score:2)
Well, maybe just the ones that go by features they need, instead of what will impress the kewl kids at school the most.
Re:Small Objects of Desire (Score:3, Insightful)
MacSlash (Score:4, Funny)
:-]
Jaj
One of the most important? (Score:3, Insightful)
In conclusion, profitable =/= important
Can you say 'Hoover' ? (Score:2)
Re:One of the most important? (Score:4, Interesting)
I submit that the iPod will be the latter, and without having RTFA, suspect this is the direction the authors were going.
Why, you ask?
The iPod could be the device that eventually breaks Microsoft's stranglehold on the computer industry. The important point here isn't that the iPod has been fantastically profitable to Apple. It has, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that the iPod has done more for Apple's "mind-share" than anything since the famous "1984" advertisement. The results of the recent study indicating that some 13% of iPod customers are already (or are planning to become) Macintosh owners are nothing less than spectacular. If Apple can play this advantage into greater Macintosh market share -- even as little as 10-15 percent, compared to less than five percent right now -- several things will happen:
1) You can get away with excluding two or three percent of your user base. You cannot get away with excluding ten percent of it. This will force companies to design Web sites that work on ALL computers, not just the latest Windows box.
2) Two to three percent of people can be dismissed as the lunatic fringe. It's a lot harder to dismiss ten percent as the lunatic fringe. Thus, the Macintosh becomes more of a mainstream platform, and PHBs start realising that there's an alternative to Windows for the corporate world.
3) In conjunction with #1, software developers now have a much larger potential market, encouraging them to bring quality products to the Macintosh where none previously existed. The lack of specialty software is the ONLY thing keeping a large number of my friends from switching to a Macintosh.
Should this come to pass, it's unlikely that history will remember the iPod as the catalyst, mostly because the Macintosh and Apple I were directly significant to the computer industry, whereas the iPod itself isn't a particularly revolutionary device. Of course, history hasn't remembered a lot of things as they should have been.
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You know what, for once, I've RTFA (Score:3, Informative)
A Briefer History of The iPod (Score:2)
This was superseded by the record player. Not so good - how to get the ladies to visit, doesn't work by the campfire without a long extension lead. Then the jukebox - brilliant, put the record player where the ladies is.
Then the Walkman, no ladies, the smaller Walkman, still no
And here are the precursors (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.rockbox.org/playerhistory/ [rockbox.org]
It may surprise some people to see that the iPod was announced a full two years after the first harddisk-based mp3 player.
Re:There are others you know... (Score:2)
Re:There are others you know... (Score:2, Insightful)
People with iPod's indicate, that they are 100% for design, and not features or eletronics and sound quality. The PCM2705 from TI that is in the iPod is a NOT a high end DAC! In fact, a low cost DAC =(
Re:Intriguing idea (Score:4, Funny)
A x86 computer that runs OS X natively? Sign me up.
Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2)
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Re:Intriguing idea (Score:4, Informative)
And don't forget that Apple's machines are almost dead silent. The fans on my inspiron could have matched wits with a 747. I was sitting in class the other day with my iBook and the room was so silent I was afraid that the clicking of a hard drive or the hum of a fan might disturb someone, but there was not a sound from my beloved (geek metaphor). The hardware is just better.
Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2)
Yes. Cocoa is an implementation of what used to be the OPENSTEP specification. The GNUStep project also has an implementation of most of this specification, and a large number of the Apple/Cocoa specific extensions. This makes it relatively easy to port Apple apps to *NIX (and recently Windows), assuming that they only depend on Cocoa/POSIX.
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Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2, Informative)
I got my 20% off my 12" Powerbook, which meant I could throw in an iPod too. Apple know how to look after their customers. I don't think I'll be turning back to x86 laptops for a long time.
Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2)
Apple also offers deep discounts to learning institutions. Schools have always been good business for apple for as long as I can remember. I can see why powerbooks are getting more popular; they look great, and are probably just as affordable when you add in the academic discounts.
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Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2)
How strange, another myopic statement in a Mac zealot frenzy of posts.
Graphic design is surging to the Windows/PC at an alarming rate for Apple.
With the Adobe memos stating PCs are faster for their products, to the number of Publishers and Editors that are retiring Macs. (PS. One of my company's clients is one of the largest syndication and publishers in the US.) We deal with Mac migration at what would be alarming rates if Ap
Re:Intriguing idea (Score:2)
Re:I think I can hear... (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:I think I can hear... (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry, it not imitation but, form being dictated by function. All hard drive based portable music players use similar hard drives.
When other companies paint theirs white and put U2 in their commercials, then its imitation.
Yes, I know. I'm splitting hairs.
Re:I think I can hear... (Score:5, Informative)
Apple was not the first to make a hard disk portable player. They were the first to ship one with a 1.8" hard disk, which hardly makes everything else a clone - they just got there second. Nobody was really taken by surprise, and the major MP3 companies were already well into designing their own.
Apple was also not the first to make a mini hard disk portable. They were the first to ship a 4GB 1" hard disk player, and then only just. They were beaten by many companies to ship a 1" 1.5GB HD player (including where I work) - but they had a supply of 4GB drives before everyone else. In fact, Rio even managed to announce and demonstrate their own 4GB player hours before Job's keynote speech. Spot how he deliberately missed the comparison of the Mini iPod to the Rio Nitrus (a 1" HD player), and instead picked a Rio 256MB flash player as a convenient strawman.
It's slightly irritating that Apple's reality distortion field now makes it possible for everyone to claim that all other players are "clones".
Not even their idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple have no vision beyond making already established ideas better. They're no better than Microsoft in terms of innovation. Microsoft tends to let other people release products, analyse why they suceed/fail and then improve them in some way.
Apple do the same, but tend to focus on simplicity and the visual design. They like the "cool" factor that makes their products appeal to designers and the in-crow
Re:Not even their idea (Score:2)
although X windows will run under OS X, and quite nicely, aqua is not even related to it. it isn't an improved version of X. it is derived from openstep.
Re:Not even their idea (Score:2)
I'm not critical of Apple for utilising open source and Unix code, it's a very fine idea. But what I am critical of is the notion that Apple are so much more creative and forward thinking than Microsoft, this isn't the case. Both are large organisations that rely on the ideas of other smaller companies.
I personally think the lack of ideas is prove
Re:Not even their idea (Score:2, Insightful)
If you look at the driver model you'll see it's definately Apple specific (so i presume they created it).
The Cocoa framework was created by Next, and adopted/extended by Apple, so is that their innovation?
The display system using PDF is definately an Apple uni
How cool is it? (Score:2, Funny)
Caution: Linky NSFW.
Re:I think I can hear... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:No wonder it's their most important profit (Score:4, Funny)
Precisely how mad is "barking mad?" Is that the point at which you express your displeasure by standing in front of stores that sell Ipods and unleashing your canine fury?
Re:No wonder it's their most important profit (Score:4, Insightful)
iPod mini: 1.0 inch hard disks
Notebooks: 2.5 inch hard disks
Thought you were right on? Think again.
Re:No wonder it's their most important profit (Score:2)