Westerners Migrating to India for Jobs 499
shonagon53 writes "The BBC reports that quite a few young European tourists stick around in India to work for eSolutions companies who contract outsourced work from European companies. The salaries are mediocre, but you get free housing, great food, snacks à volonté and a free taxi ride to work each morning.
Is this the first wave of the much anticipated reverse-migration which will be a hallmark of the 21st century?"
Work Visas (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Work Visas (Score:5, Informative)
Welcome!
Re:Work Visas (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Work Visas (Score:4, Informative)
When living overseas, the question is most often not about pay, but more if you can get affordable housing. I lived in Singapore, with a typical rent of 5000 per month. So, it becomes important that an employer is helping to overcome that hurdle. Next thing, what are the taxes. For example, I took in Singapore a big pay cut, but taxes were 10-15%. Oh, did I mention that a good dinner outside would set you back less than 5 bucks?
I hope you get the gist. Wages or pay cuts say nothing!! It's about income versus cost of living. And when that works our reasonable enough, you should of course have a little mentality of "carpe diem" and not too much worry about your mutual funds, stocks and such. If the latter is important to you, better stay home. But
Re:Work Visas (Score:3, Insightful)
The DOW, as of yesterday, is up one-half of one-percent from the beginning of the year. Investors are starting to look elsewhere. Meanwhile, some fairly respectable economists [bostonherald.com] are starting to see only a 10% chance of avoiding a coming economic meltdown - I don't just mean the little rec
Re:Work Visas (Score:3, Insightful)
The company (Score:5, Informative)
Even if 'the company' is supposed to take care of your visa, it pays to follow up on your own. This advice courtesy the guy who left Ecuador at the unpleasant end of a gun because the company he was working for FUCKED UP!.
In addition to Ecuador, I've worked in China, Japan, Phillipines, Fiji, Tonga, Hong Kong, and Singapore. I hired on outside the USA. Most friends who are working or have worked expat. have hired on outside their home country.
Want an overseas job, take a vacation, get to know the place, visit the company you want to work for. Hang out in the right bars.
Big difference in the results. (Score:5, Insightful)
The kids going over there are working for a salary and, eventually, will be sent back to their home country. It's easy to explain with two examples.
#1. Euro-kid goes to India and works for 2 years. He makes a "mediocre" wage (1/10th what he'd make back home). He banks it all and lives on cheap rice, curry and lentils. After 2 years he goes home with $X (or whatever his currency is). $X is 1/10 that he'd make in 2 years at home under the same conditions.
#2. Indian guy goes to the US and works for 2 years. He makes a "mediocre" wage for a US job (still 10x what he'd make back home). Banks it all, eats rice, curry and lentils. After 2 years he, goes home. He now has 10x the money he'd have after 2 years of working in India.
The effective difference is 100x between the two.
Work visas are only good for making money in a wealthy country and then going home to a poor country. They suck for working in a poor country and then going home to a wealthy country.
US a wealthy country? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:US a wealthy country? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:5, Insightful)
The real payoff is two years of living in India, supplementing your salary with a little savings or checks from Daddy that go a long way in Bangalore, having fun, being a bit of a bigshot, partying and putting something on your resume that will pay long-term dividends when you get back. (And, say, apply for a job supervising an outsourced project.)
It's something you do for fun, not because it necessarily makes financial sense.
(Apply same point to the initial BBC story and /. submission...)
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Informative)
BTW, in India, diarrhea is so common, it is normal for you to respond to "how are you doing?" with "I have diarrhea"
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:4, Funny)
Damn, dude, if it's that common, get a frickin' euphamism.
"How are you doing?"
"My elephant is rampaging again."
or
"I've got Ghandi's revenge again."
or
"I've been awarded the OBE (Order of Bowel Explosions)."
Use your imagination, make it fun.
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:5, Insightful)
Lots of people like Indian food and as a foreign IT worker, its quite easy you hire yourself a cook.
You do not get diarrhea in india without doing some of the most foolish things as a foreigner. Native indians rarely get it. As a foreigner, you get it from not realizing you do not have immunities to lots of the things in Indian water and food(namely, meat). If you drink tap water and are a foreigner, you're screwed. Hell, you can be indian and have been back to the country for several years and you have lost your immunities.
Yes there is a lot of pollution, its what happens when you cram that many people into such small places. If you want away from the pollution, go to the country side. A lot like most major cities in non-industrialized countries(and many industrialized countries). that is just how it is and you should know it way before going there.
your last line must be a joke but India can be a really fun place if you know where to go. You've probably been stuck doing the family thing every time rather than finding the nightlife out in Bombay or another major city(which can be incredible). I suggest to anyone going there, make local friends quickly. Almost all educated indians speak fluent english(with that fun accent) and by meeting the right ones, you will always be able to find something to do.
Anyways, indian chicks do put out. Its why they are predicting that within 15 years, india will have the highest numer of Aids cases in the world.
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Informative)
I'm an Indian too. I know your kind of people - "India sucks, every other country is better". If I were you I would be ashamed of myself. Looks like your kind of people are more common among Indian IT workers.
and I've visited India enough times to know this.
Exactly. You have visited India, not lived here. People of different countries have different kinds of fun. You can't have the kind of fun you have in USA or So
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Insightful)
Quite [cdc.gov] easily [cdc.gov].
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:4, Funny)
As someone who is doing it right now (in China, not India), I can say that it absolutely rocks
Uhhm... you should really be paying more attention to the girl while you're "doing it". Slashdot is not a turn-on for everyone!
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:5, Insightful)
Examples:
Netherlands salaries are 10-20% less than US. But they get 30+ days of vacation. That comes out to 10-20% extra pay. Which one would you have 80+ hrs of EA weeks or 30+ hours of workweek after removing the vacation time?
In India you can get a maid who cooks, cleans for rupies a week. Even when you make 10% of your Western salary you can afford it. The food is much cheaper in India, especially if you compare restaurants to restaurants. In other words you will not need to cook at all.
Learning tolarenace is a gigantic value for your society, by being exposed (not as a tourist, but as a working member) to several different cultures is invaluable.
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Insightful)
* comforatable means different things to different people.
Otherwise way to go. Your comment style completely lacks any kind of intelligence. Is it by choice or you actually enjoy being stupid?
Re:Big difference in the results. (Score:3, Insightful)
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> country. They suck for working in a poor country and then going home to a wealthy country.
Yeah, unless all the jobs have been moved out of the rich country into the poor country. There's
a point of desperation where having a roof over your head and free food is more than enough
compensation for a day's work.
Re:Bad Math - You have doubled booked the profits. (Score:4, Informative)
Indian goes to America, and earns $50,000 per year for two years. He spends $25,000 per year on his living costs, so when he returns to India, he has $50,000 in the bank.
American goes to India, and earns $5,000 per year for two years. He spends $2,500 per year on his living costs, so when he returns to America, he has $5,000 in the bank.
Now lets look at the Indian. He is now living in India with $50,000, which the equivalent of ten years salary in the bank. That is a pretty reasonable sum of money. You are well on your way to being able to retire on that.
What about the American. He is now living in America with $5,000 in the bank. That is the equivalent of about 5 weeks salary. Enough to cover fluctuations in his outgoings and prevent him from going overdrawn. Probably better than a lot of people, but nothing spectacular.
Re:Bad Math - You have doubled booked the profits. (Score:3, Funny)
How about:
American goes to India and earns $5000 per year for two years. That makes him rich beyond the wildest dreams of his Indian peers. He lives like a king for $4,000 per year living costs, pisses another $500 per year up the wall on who knows what, and ha
Re:Bad Math - You have doubled booked the profits. (Score:3, Informative)
Lets just say that the tax was part of the living costs. The point of the illustration was to show that the grandparent was right to say that the Indian would be 100x better off than the American / European. Even if you add tax as an additional expense, the figures still work.
Great... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm Australian. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've worked in the U.S., Japan, and now Germany. In a few years time, I hope to move to India to work for a little while, then head back to Australia to do what I can to build up the national market for technology
Globalization is a reality, folks. You can either:
a) pretend it doesn't exist,
b) complain about it, or
c) live in it, as a globalist individual
I chose c). If big-corp's are gonna go multi-national, so am I. The days of stick-dwelling are over
Move or die.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:2)
On the road again... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm presently on the move from Alberta [agdconsulting.ca] to British Columbia [agdconsulting.ca] for work, so yes, migration can also happen without leaving your own country. There has always been a place for mobile professionals in the world -- in the 1800s they were explorers, fur traders and mercenaries, in the 1900s they were general
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:2, Interesting)
There is plenty of reactionary opposition in virtually any "western" country around the world; same applies for the ex-USSR countries. It's likely that nothing can be done about those people; but when students pick up the same reactionary banners, I start to wonder...
I, for one, am learning Chinese. Hopefully, me and my partnet are going there in a few years...
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:2)
My father has had us (as in all the family) trotting around the world since I was 3. Lybia, Italy, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, and of course several parts of Spain.
My parents seem to have developed a nice social life and don't seem to lack friends. As for a family, well, here I am (along with my siblings).
Who says you cant have a life... (Score:5, Interesting)
A nomadic lifestyle isn't for everyone, so if you prefer to put down roots somewhere there is always telecommuting--that is essentially what workers in India, Ireland, Canada and other outsourcing hotspots are doing for their parent companies anyways.
The Aussie is right--this is an era of globalisation and you'd better get used to it. It is sad that the US, a country historically known for its pioneering spirit and innovation, has become more whiny, inward-looking and reactionary than the average country with respect to immigration. The US got where it is today beause of immigration from all over the world. It seems selfish in this day and age to expect the rest of the world shouldn't be able to benefit from immigration as well.
Hey, if Darwin's theory works in nature expect it in the economy as well. The US will adapt or die. India and other developing nations have been closer to death and have simply started adapting faster. In the end it'll all even out--unless of course politics unduly interferes and fouls up the balance of things.
Re:Who says you cant have a life... (Score:5, Insightful)
How are you going to raise a child through IM? How are you going to take care of your parents through ICQ?
Re:Who says you cant have a life... (Score:3, Insightful)
You can't drag your 80 year-old mother around the world everytime you change jobs.
Ask your cousin if she rather prefer to raise their child moving to a new culture/country each year or staying in one neighbourhood until the child is 18.
Ask any 12 year old if they want to leave their school/friends/way-of-life for some alien culture. Hell, try asking him to turn off the tv and clean his room for that matter, if you think child raising is so easy.
>Done right raising a
Re:Who says you cant have a life... (Score:3, Insightful)
You have more of a support structure there. No matter where you go, you're going to have other families around with other people who speak the same language as you. You have a lot fewer safety issues both physical and cultural.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:2)
It's a great vacation to go see my friends or meet them in other vacation destinations. I have some friends who I chat with daily online and have only met them in person the first time we met.
It seems we have different ideas of what "ro
walkabouts (Score:5, Insightful)
Amerians are so hard up about working and consuming they miss the important things in life.
I disagree (Score:3, Insightful)
Many people live a fair distance from their families, myself included.. I'm willing to move for work but i'm not willing to traverse continents.. The further you live from Family the less you see them.. IM, emailing or talking on the phone isn't the same as being there with th
Re:I disagree (Score:3, Insightful)
I wonder if Europeans sometimes don't grasp the distances that some people in the US live away from their relatives. Aside from my parents, my closest relatives are 800 miles (1300km) away. Given that (judging from a quick look at a map of europe) No european country is that long in any dimension, that is farther than anyone probably has to travel. Usually the only time I've been able to see them is at Christmass. If we lived half a
Re:I disagree (Score:5, Interesting)
Sorry, but unless you can back this up I'm gonna have to disagree, having lived in America and Europe. Thanksgiving is actually proof of a weak sense of family - it says they need a national holiday as excuse before they can do something together. For the rest of year, people pretty live individually, most noticable in the fact that many American families don't even eat dinner together.
I have quite the involved family here in Belgium. If I'm at home, I'll eat with my family (which is every weekend). I'll stop by at one uncle's for breakfast, then spend the evening at another's place. We have two family reunions every year, and my grandparents regularly have big dinner parties, especially if it's their birthday.
If I don't see a family member for two weeks, that's already a long time...
I got nothing against the Americans - hell, I'm moving back there next year - but they do not have a strong sense of family at all, due to the individualistic culture.
Jw
Re:I disagree (Score:3, Interesting)
I moved to Canada with my father and stepmom back in 1980 from Scotland, leaving behind my mother and a few siblings.
I haven't seen them since then, I have communicated with my mom a bit but we don't really keep in steady contact of any sort.
Of course this seperation not only from my real mom but also from the rest of our extended family has really left me with little sense of family life at all.
Right now I live in a different province than my dad, they are 1000km from me.
US, Japan and Germany. (Score:5, Insightful)
What you're talking about is NOT "Globalization". You've only been hitting the 1st world countries.
Globalization is about exploiting the 3rd world countries. Go and live there for a few years and see if your attitude doesn't change.
Definition of "globalisation" (Score:2)
globalisation
n : growth to a global or worldwide scale
It doesn't say anything about exploitation of developing nations. The word is mis-used by way too many people.
The (Canadian) city where I live hosted a big international summit some time ago. Protesters staged continual demonstrations about the evils of "Globalisation" (peaceful ones to their credit). Literally the majority of these protesters came from outside Canada, from the US and all over Europe. Was it lost on them that
Nomads! (Score:2)
Also moving personal items can be a pain. All my DVDs are from the US, England, and Japan. That is enough to make life hard without a region free DVD player. If I moved to more countries and bought more DVDs i
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, but life is too short to have my life dictated by some politician/multi-national company.
Re:I'm an Australian troll ... (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm certain that that expensive "Western"
college education that you borrowed money
to get can EASILY be paid off with the big
paycheck you're going to get from that Indian
IT company. And the storage company that you
trusted all of your worldly possessions with
will happily accept rupees, and a 1/10 of the
per month agreed to storage payment. Oh, and
God help you if you should get sick while over
there working in India -- most Western medical
plans will not cover your overseas "deployment".
(Well, you coul
Re:I'm an Australian troll ... (Score:5, Insightful)
there working in India -- most Western medical
plans will not cover your overseas "deployment".
(Well, you could rely on the herbal remedies
available locally -- just put enough money aside
to have your body shipped home to Mum and Pop.)
Actually, India is becoming somewhat of a medical tourist destination, [washingtonpost.com] you probably won't have to worry about medical bills and health insurance so much if you "self-insure" -- the health insurance companies don't seem to have their claws in the system over there like they do in the US so medicine is still reasonably affordable, especially for someone with a decent (indian) job.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:2)
"Improving your skills and aggressively pursuing a better position" may mean you have to move to another country in order to continue to work for your company. If you work for a small company that doesn't do any international business, then you might be fine... until it moves overseas.
Most large companies, on the other hand, have significant international presences and in order to advance you may have to be willing to move to a foreign country and work for a period of time.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:4, Informative)
In India, medical insurance is only needed for real emergencies. Most people don't have them because most don't need them. Unlike the US, India (and many other countries) have a "radical" approach to medical treatment: You get sick, you visit a doctor or hospital in your price range immediately and they treat you! I believe this approach is called free market or something like that.
Labor laws in India are far stricter and biased towards workers than in the US (India used to be a full-fledged socialist country, remember).
Religious freedom is guaranteed in India. It has been that way for millenia. India has the second highest Muslim population in the world and the highest Christian population in Asia! It is officially a "secular" country with no state religion.
When you are apprehensive about a foreign country, it is a good idea to do some reading up about it.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:3, Informative)
No it wasn't.
India leaned towards Russia, and had a middle-road-economy, a combination of public and private sectors - that is hardly socialist.
Re:I'm Australian. (Score:3, Interesting)
Time to rewrite those history books.
As for
>The people of India don't want you there, and they don't want to be part of your global vision. The same is true for practically every other non-European country in the eastern hemisphere.
Funny, it always seems to me that most people want a western livestyle, a nice house, tv, fridge, car, internet access, and lots of
Recently heard in downtown Mumbai (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Recently heard in downtown Mumbai (Score:2, Insightful)
I remember some time back there were riots in india when migrant labour from other states{within india only} had started to come into Bihar. Many were killed.
So I just hope these european guys know what they are getting into.
And where is Mumbai? (Score:2)
Re:Recently heard in downtown Mumbai (Score:2)
I use to escort people at SeaTac airport sometime in the 1980s, mostly people in transit to Canada without visas for America (TWoV). Other countries' airports have international areas for people just going through were SeaTac does not so these people just get an escort. But from students from the Far East, they did comment on how it was different then they expected in t
Re:Recently heard in downtown Mumbai (Score:2)
-russ
Where do i sign up? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Where do i sign up? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.naukri.com/ [naukri.com]
http://www.timesjobs.com/ [timesjobs.com]
http://www.jobsahead.com/ [jobsahead.com]
Good.... (Score:5, Funny)
Hippes (Score:5, Interesting)
I doubt they're making a huge dent in the overall world of outsourcing. Here in Canada more than 10% of the company where I work is people from outside of Canada, but that's not considered odd. Why would it be considered odd for there to be foreigners working in India? There's probably a lot going for those Indian cities. And has anyone ever eaten out in Switzerland? The food alone would motivate me to leave the country. I like cheese, sure, but come on - a whole meal consisting of cheese? No wonder all those Swiss kids are going to India.
Expatriates, this is nothing new (Score:5, Interesting)
A friend of mine, a Rwandese educated at Harvard, worked for a US legal firm. One day he was asked to go on a long-term mission to Nigeria for an oil firm client. He balked, quoting Nigeria's reputation for danger. He was offered a nice bonus, travel costs, and so he went. When I visited him in Lagos, he had installed himself in a nice house, with a cook, driver, security guards. He played golf twice a week, spent the weekends at the beach, and too many evenings at the clubs in Victoria Island.
Every few months he would return to head office, and make a report. His report would inevitably end with remarks about the insecurity in Lagos, the need for constant armed protection, the power cuts and the lack of facilities. Since his work was bringing in lots of money, his firm inevitably gave him a pay rise and extended his mission.
Expatriates tend to suffer from diseases of luxury. They don't pay taxes, their savings go 10-100 times further, they get privileged positions, and if good, they are valued for their expertise and cultural baggage.
The only problem: they tend to die divorced and alcoholic. Decadence is too cheap in some places!
Needs some codification (Score:5, Interesting)
I've sugested on
I for one could go for a summerhouse in Kashmir.
As the article points out, raw salary isn't everything.
Re:Needs some codification (Score:5, Funny)
I'd go.. (Score:2, Interesting)
I would move in a heartbeat (Score:2)
South-Eash Asian recruitment of Westerners (Score:5, Interesting)
If I had to choose between a stressful job/high payment and an offer from there, I could still easily be tempted to go to Malaysia
Globalization (Score:5, Funny)
I also would like to make a call now to solidify our position as the world leader in strippers.
Government Subsidize Gold Poles NOW!
This might work for europeans (Score:3, Insightful)
-Free healthcare
-It won't be nearly as expensive (in most cases) for their children to attend university in europe
-In some countries, they'll be given a pension to live off of when they retire
In the U.S., things are a bit different. You have a retirement fund that you need to plug money into. You need to save for your kid's college education. You need health insurance. Now, you might be able to live quite well in India if work there, but the salary that you get is so small compared to what you recieve if you worked in the U.S., that you really won't be able to provide money for any of these things. I dunno, it might be a good experience for a couple of years, but as an American, I wouldn't plan on sticking around if I did it.
Re:This might work for europeans (Score:2)
Historically, this is true. The reality today is that these systems are collapsing under their own weight... much like the US social security system will eventually. The moral of this is that individuals are going to have to start looking after themselves one day.
I don't understand all this talk about moving to another country. They're in the same boat as everyone else. Start your own consulting business or switch careers
Re:you rightwing bots have been saying that for ye (Score:3, Insightful)
But not as well as Britain after Britain made their economy more market-oriented. [economist.com]
Real Wage (Score:2)
But, more importantly, taxes are even lower. Most western "welfare states" or nations in general have marginal tax rates of 40% or higher. In Denmark (where I live), the marginal tax (before sales taxes) is 62%.
Gross wage is one thing, wage after the taxman has been in your paycheque is another thing entirely.
I'm not in the least surprised to hear that people are moving to India. The neverending meddling in our personal lives and property because of the state is just too muc
I dont think this is a trend (Score:5, Insightful)
Somethings not quite right... (Score:2, Insightful)
Illegal workers (Score:2, Flamebait)
In Mexico (from my understanding), a foreigner must have a permit to work there. This is really ironic because Fox is pushing for more illegal workers in the USA.
getting outsourced.. (Score:5, Interesting)
The large corporation I work for is currently outsourcing all UK development to India.
One interesting facet is that people whose roles are being relocated to India have the option of joining the Indian company involved. Their role would still be in India, and so they would be based there, but they would keep their UK salary.
We're all currently discussing:
- how good your standard of living would be in India on a UK salary
- how long it would take for the Indian company to make you redundant (currently guess: 4 hours)
- what the Indian employment laws are like
All good fun,
~Cederic
Re:getting outsourced.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Something definately does not sound right.
bedtime? (Score:2)
-russ
Some data points... (Score:3, Interesting)
I had 2 coworkers go back to their home country (China) because they find the opportunities are better there now. They both had green cards and stable employment here yet choose to go.
I had 1 coworker who wanted to leve computer programming field because be belived the reward to work ratio was too low compared to many other professions.
I know one guy who is in college and came with his parents and now has a green card. Yet the only computer science internship he could find was back in his home country for the summer.
Another person who became a citizen here had an offer from work to start offshore office in his home country at roughly the same salary as here. Otherwise he could stay here and travel a lot. He choose to stay here are the rest of his family is accustomed to living here.
I guess what we are seeing here is a kind of equilibrium mechanism. At one time all the good jobs were in the US (or "Western" contries in general) so there was a mad rush for people to get here. Now things have been shifting to be more equal and the migration is trickling the other way.
Oh well, no jobs for me! (Score:3, Interesting)
depends.... (Score:3, Interesting)
I call BS re India health-care; true horror story (Score:3, Interesting)
He needed non-emergency corrective surgery related to a broken leg.
I can accept that the surgeons insisted on being paid cash, in advance.
But the hospital required that *she* personally make the trips between the hospital and the blood-bank to obtain and transport the (NOT rare) blood needed for his surgery.
I'll pass, thank you.
Re:A Shame (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not completely (Score:2)
I've dealt with bonehead programmers from India, bonehead programmers from Mexico, and bonehead programmers from Berkeley.
India does not have any monopoly on clueless newbies: Why, just look at how many we have here on /., most of whom are from the US :)
Not necessarily. (Score:2, Interesting)
IMO outsourcing is itself a marriage between the very technology that tech-jobs produce, and capitalist drive for maximum profits at minimum expense. The Internet has made telecommuting feasible, even across continents and as a result we end up with a rather unbalanced situation.
If anything, perhaps outsourcing will help the global economy attain a little bit more homogenity.
Re:A Shame (Score:2)
Like doctors, lawyers, radiologists, etc. all of whom are being outsourced as fast as middle management can complete the paperwork.
Re:A Shame (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A Shame (Score:4, Insightful)
Invent a better x-ray machine and you could put radiologists out of business faster than you could break a leg.
Notice how dedicated radio operators have gone the way of the dodo? Telephone operators? People who add up bills manually? Some day radiologists will be in the same bucket as buggy whip manufacturers.
Re:A Shame (Score:2)
There's no point in going to school for years if your job is going to be shipped blue-label to elsewhere. But that's okay, because we'll have 40,000% profits next quarter!
Oh, we have a nine-figure trade deficit? Ahh, what do those economists know? Probably paying them too much too.
Re:No Way (Score:2)
(I am in Canada, and I see no difference except that it's impossible to live on $10/month, so the salaries are higher.)
Re:No Way (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, an Indian engineer gets about $20K starting salary. Given the prices of things in India, that's about the equivalent of a $50K salary. You can't buy a hummer on that salary, but you wouldn't WANT one in Indian city traffic. My friend Sumit has a tiny
Re:Numbers are too small (Score:2)
You haven't tried living out in rural England
Re:Numbers are too small (Score:2)
Re:Numbers are too small (Score:2)
Re:Free snacks!?!?!?! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:pay? (Score:2)
Re:pay? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd be curi
Re:You know (Score:3, Insightful)
Everyone wants cheaper stuff so companies find ways to make cheaper stuff which requires them either reduce the quality, reduce their own profit margins, or pay less to produce the same items. To some degree they do reduce the quality but that can only go so far before people don't want the items anymore. Those in char