Blog Torrent and TiVo for the Internet 108
Chris Holland writes "On the heels of the recent launch of the preview release of Downhill Battle's Blog Torrent, Nicholas Reville further articulates his vision of a "TiVo for the Internet" in an interview by James Enck for The Broadband Daily. Nicholas touches on the P2P promise, various players, revenue models, and the healthy challenges coming Big Media's way."
This is already being done (Score:5, Informative)
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obSimpsons: Re:This is already being done (Score:1)
Re:This is already being done (Score:1)
Here's the RSS Module [reallysimp...cation.com] for adding bittorrent to RSS 2.0.
ipodder.org [ipodder.org]
Re:This is already being done (Score:1)
I feel really immature.
Ditto (Score:2)
Tivo For The Internet? (Score:3, Insightful)
Speaking of downhillbattle ... (Score:2)
Karma whore, comin' thru! (Score:4, Informative)
Maybe Slashdot needs it (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Maybe Slashdot needs it (Score:1)
I KNOW! I can't live without my slashdot so I just kept hitting ctrl-r again and again until finally after 10 minutes of doing it continuously, I got a front page served up! Repeat the process for reading an actual story and for posting this response! 30 solid minutes where I could be abusing myself flushed right down the toilet!
Up next... (Score:5, Funny)
- shoehorn for the Internet
- cable box for the Internet
- "Pure Funk" cd for the Internet
A Tivo for the Internet is about as useful as the above. Use your browser cache, IM history, email storage options, etc.
Re:Up next... (Score:2)
Re:Up next... (Score:3, Interesting)
A Tivo for the Internet is about as useful as the above. Use your browser cache, IM history, email storage options, etc.
Well, Tivo doesn't merely record TV shows. It also finds shows you might be interested in and takes the liberty to grab those. So what this Tivo for the internet could do is basically watch what sites you visit, and if you accidentally click on a kiddie porn link, it brands you as a pedophile and helps you get arrested. I, for one, would feel completely safe using it :)
Re:Up next... (Score:1, Interesting)
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Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:4, Insightful)
Now the arguent can go that we'll have online purchasing plus regular TV broadcasting of a show (with advertising as usual), which should give you the best of both worlds. But truthfully, would you bother buying an episode if you could watch it on your big screen TV for "free"? So let's say that half of the potential viewers would rather watch it on NBC than downloading it for $1. Now you have $250,000 earned, and all of a sudden the online distribution method is looking truly useless.
So to fight that, to get traction, you raise the price of a download to $5. That means off those same 500,000, you're now earning $1.5M. Woo! But still, not that much. Plus, no one is going to buy an episode for $5. That'd be something like $130 for a show in a year! Buy the boxed DVD at the end of the season and you're doing better (plus special features). So the show would never take off. Dead in the water.
Really, broadcasting has an iron grip on the "TV" world. You can't effectively distribute a series if you make people pay for each episode. The system that governs TV right now works too well --- especially with things like DVDs and Tivo added to the mix --- and no one will try anything new because there isn't as much profit in it.
I'm not saying I don't agree with your sentiment. I would love to be able to buy episodes like that, too... but there's no good way to transition from what we have to what we want, and there's no good reason for anyone to even try.
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:3, Informative)
I'm not sure. I've thought about TV distribution via Internet for a few weeks now. During that time I've also compiled some statistics about how much shows cost.
In the USA practically every show I studied remained under 50 cents per episode per viewer household. The most popular shows were also the most expensive, but the prices seem to go hand in hand. I couldn't find a single show that cost over a dollar per episode. (ER might have, but I
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:2)
I've been coming at it similarly, from the other side of things. I can't figure a TV show's budget coming in at under $300,000. That's counting on the cheapest of the cheap production (probably without producers, cause they alone can add $200,000 to a budget). But likewise, I can see a show not getting over 500,000 viewers. Being
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:2)
Second of all, I actually would WANT shows to operate in direct to viewer manor, which will mean that the show should appeal to viewers and NOT to advertisers as is the case now. Meaning, if not enough people would want to view your show, you should not be making it.
As for grossly overpaid actors, the economy of this should
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:2)
1) I made the point in another reply, but the 1-1.5mil viewership figure is only workable because there are a decent number of viewers already on a certain network who see an ad for a show and tune in to see it. Without lead-ins or other promotions in a central fashion, a show would have a hard time getting 1.5million viewers like that. Theoretically. This discounts word of mouth or really storng niche markets (which are different from basic niche markets... things like Star Trek or Stargate
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:3, Informative)
According to a November 1992 issue of "California Business" article, Paramount
Economics of pay per show (Score:1)
Making shows downloadable doesn't mean that people won't still watch them on TV. If there's a song I have on a CD, I'll still listen to it on the radio if it comes on, if it's a good song. Even if I had a copy of my favorite
Dude, you are so not getting it... (Score:1)
http://melano.tv/Black_Sun_Video_Segment.avi
If we can do this kind of stuff for nothing, imagine what we can do for a tenth or a twentieth of the Hollywood budgets? We'd be thrilled to bring you the new Farscape for $500k a
Re:Dude, you are so not getting it... (Score:2)
But let's say we nix all the inefficiencies and get right down to a cheaper, more flexible production model. Where does that leave us?
T
Interesting questions... (Score:1)
"But how many models are being used in a show? Can you afford to farm them all out to one person?"
If we have ten models and a team of six animators with lightning fast machines, we're home-free. We wouldn't hire guys who insisted on putting their triplets through college with one episode.
And I suspect that you already know that there's much talent out there that fits this description. i.e., actors, composers, animators, wr
Re:Not "Tivo for the internet" (Score:1)
Yeah, I suppose broadcasters in other countries would see a decline in viewer numbers... But you h
Already there (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Already there (Score:1)
Yeah. (Score:1)
My mom the haxx0r (Score:5, Interesting)
What ever happened to the days when my family couldn't even understand the basics of web pages? I guess that when the tools are so incredibly useful, and so easy to install/operate, it quickly becomes a prevalent technology.
Re:My mom the haxx0r (Score:2, Funny)
Re:My mom the haxx0r (Score:1)
Looks like the site's been slashdotted. (Score:1)
P2P IPTV is an Idea who's time has really come. I write about this on my site here [videotechnology.com]
Re:Looks like the site's been slashdotted. (Score:2)
Archive.org (Score:1, Informative)
Its just a shame they dont combine google+archive, now that would rock!
tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:1)
Re:tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:5, Funny)
Bah, humbug.
In a regular purse-snatching, you get to have a purse, the wallet within with the pention money, a set of dentures and some arthritis medications and of course you get to leave the old lady in tears on the sidewalk (bonus points for knocking the walker over). In the bittorrent "purse snatching" you get no such benefits. You get the purse and for some strange reason the lady gets to keep it too. Where is the fun for us villanious thieves in this?
Re:tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:1, Interesting)
You might want to re-read the great-grandparent post. Substitute 'stealing limo' for 'stealing purse' if that makes it easier.
Re:tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:2)
it's true (Score:2)
The copyright law, it will tell you what to do
Buy one, for every computer you use
Anything else is like going to the store
Taking the disk, and walking out the door
It's called thievin', stealin', taking what's not yours
Is that really where you want your life to go?
Think about it, I don't think so.
Don't copy! Don't copy that floppy!
Re:tivo for the internet, and blog torrent (Score:2)
Re:yet again, slashdot doesn't link to coral (Score:1)
Everybody should remember that coral is only an on-demand caching service -- it only initially fetches the page when a user accesses the URL. Once the site is already
If more people would give first posts as coral links, that'd work pretty well too!
Bittorrent already does this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why do you need internet channels when there's a perfectly legimate tv network already in place? I use Azureus [sourceforge.net] as my Bittorrent client with a plugin [sourceforge.net] to import any torrents from an RSS feed that match my criteria. Although I've never actually used TiVo I think the basic premise is the same, record the shows you want automatically and watch them whenever you have time.
Windows Media Center Edition ... (Score:2)
move along.
Re:Bittorrent already does this? (Score:2)
ReplayTV - Unemcumbered by DRM (Score:2)
It would be except that Tivo is burdened with nasty DRM that prevents Internet-wide show sharing, transfer to non-authorized machines, and so on. Tivo has even recently agreed to implement content-owner usage flags for recorded content - meaning that the content people will be able to delete shows based on their age or number of times viewed.
ReplayTV
Re:Bittorrent already does this? (Score:2)
The article is not about "Internet TiVo". The submittor shouldn't have even mentioned that, since now virtually every highly moderated post has missed the point of the article. The article is about BlogTorrent making it cheap and easy for independent arti
TiVO for the Internet == Plucker? == wget? (Score:2)
The closest thing I can think of to TiVO for the Internet is something that lets you save content so you can view it when it's no longer available (which is what TiVO does for TV, really). This can be your own personal Wayback Machine, or just saving pages for later when you have no internet connection.
Either way, isn't this exactly what tools like wget and Plucker do?
Re:TiVO for the Internet == Plucker? == wget? (Score:2)
slashdotted but link on mirrordot (Score:5, Informative)
This mirrordot.org site seems to be doing the trick really well. Is this sanctioned by Slashdot? Anybody know if slashdotted sites are okay with this. Just wondering as I haven't seen a discussion on this service yet.
Re:slashdotted but link on mirrordot (Score:1)
Re:slashdotted but link on mirrordot (Score:1)
As is discussed in the MirrorDot FAQ [mirrordot.com], we are NOT affiliated with, nor "sanctioned" by, Slashdot. We are doing this 100% on our own because we got tired of the $#@%^! Slashdot-effect and decided to actually DO SOMETHING about it (rather than just sit around complaining about it).
Perfect? Not even close. But, it
1 comment and /.ed (Score:5, Funny)
TiVo is essentially a buffer (Score:4, Insightful)
OK, so you could "go back in time" and see how a web page changes over time. To do that for every web page is going to take quite a bit of storage. And I think the folks at The Wayback Machine [archive.org] do a pretty good job.
You could also schedule web pages to be "recorded" so you won't miss them when you're out? Huh? I suppose if you wanted to read yesterday's edition of the online New York Times it might be handy, but online periodicals already have online archives.
TiVo makes sense for TV since it's a streamed medium. We don't need TiVo for blogs, webpages, Usenet, and so forth. (A TiVo plugin for iTunes would be nice, though!)
Wrong preposition (Score:3, Informative)
What's really confusing is that Nicholas envisions peer-to-peer video authoring and sharing -- like video blogs, but not shared on the web (because that would require too much server bandwidth) but rather shared as a Torrent. The word "TiVo" does not capture the aspect of independent authoring -- "TiVo" implies time-shifting Big Media.
So, Nicholas
Tivo Plugin for Media Center (Score:2)
There's a Tivo HMO plugin [jriver.com] for Media Center [musicex.com]. You can even access your SmartLists and radio stations through any connected Tivo. Now, if they could only do one for ReplayTV [planetreplay.com] I'd be a lot happier!
content creators (Score:2, Interesting)
link not working? (Score:1)
join my series 1 to a blog-sharing network? (Score:2)
Blog torrent..dunno, HTTP torrent, maybe? (Score:1)
But what about HTTP content over some torrent-like system? Might work by basically streaming content out of other people's caches. Flags could be set for certain secure and frequently updated pages (Meta tags already do things such as this) so you don't stream someone else's credit card number from them.
Large sites could benefit from this
tivo my website (Score:1)
bad analogy, downloading shows and watching them is nothing like tivo at all. but, the co
Re:tivo my website (Score:2)
It's actually very much like tivo. Tivo "downloads" shows over your cable connection to its internal hard drive, and then you can later watch them at your convenience. This product would download shows over your Internet connection to the internal hard drive, and then you can later watch them at your convenience.
the concept is pretty lame anyways since you have to wait for your show to download, it is about as convenient as
Tivo for the Internet is Already Here! (Score:1)
Bittorrent + RSS (Score:2)
Re:Bittorrent + RSS (Score:2)
(it's finally up now *knock on wood*)
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Recipe for generating buzz (Score:1)
1. Preheat your keyboard.
2. Add your first buzz word Internet to the mix.
2. Mix in a Tivo.
3. Stir carefully.
4. Fold in a bit of Torrent.
5. If you think you can handle the ultimate buzz, add a dash of Blog.
6. Finally, post on Slashdot and watch as your buzz word delight gets talked about by thousands.
The Slashdot Superarticle!! (Score:1)
This has to be good!
ReplayTV Has Had "Tivo for Internet" For Years (Score:2)
great! the current broadcast network is best for.. (Score:1)
now leave the internet for more interactive stuff: games, movie requests, chats,..ie. what it is currently. (blogs being ok)