Coming Soon: Self-Heating Coffee 536
prostoalex writes "In 2005 Wolfgang Puck will start selling containers of self-heating coffee, USA Today says. The combination of calcium oxide and water will heat the coffee to 145 degrees and keep it warm for the next 30 minutes. The coffee will be sold in regular grocery stores, and folks at Fool.com tell Starbucks to watch out as this product, coming from a well-known chef, might target those of us grabbing a cup of hot latte on the way to work."
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Re:already done (Score:2, Interesting)
See http://www.dolphin.soton.ac.uk/June2001/nescafe.h
Re:already done (Score:5, Interesting)
The point of coffee shops is leaving the office for ten or twenty minutes.
Most Americans are non-smokers, so making a "coffee run" is one of the few excuses the typical American worker has for getting out of the building for a little while. It's a six-dollar mini-vacation.
So I don't think the executives at Starbucks are losing sleep over cold coffee that you re-heat with hand warmers built into the can.
I could see it being popular with hunters, though. Having hot coffee in the deer stand without needing a big thermos could have some appeal.
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10 minute break? How can you even get started without it???
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Now, that's not to say you don't have good coffeeshops -- Bridgehead [bridgehead.ca] in Ottawa is worth twenty Starbuckses any day.
WaWa's and Tim Horton's (Score:3, Funny)
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The point of coffee shops is leaving the office for ten or twenty minutes.
In Europe we call that a coffee break. In the US they call that a vacation!
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OK, I'm stereotyping here a little, but I can't see the average hunter rushing out to buy something marketed by Wolfgang Puck.
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I agree that DD coffee is some of the best available at a retail chain in the United States. But it's not great coffee in an absolute sense - it's a very light roast, it's very mild (which makes it a good everyday cup), some would even say weak. But it
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I was RAISED on the stuff, a lot of my friends started drinking DD when we were in sixth grade. People from my work (near Boston) joke about the Rhode Island Coffee Fix, meaning that I'll duck-out after lunch and drive past two coffee shops to get to the nearest DD. In the summer I usually slam a 24-ounce iced coffee in about two minutes, it gives me an ice-cream headache.
The trick to Dunkin Donuts is that the
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I've never seen that, though I've seen the cans of coffee that get kept in a warming device.
Point is, almost my first thought (*) was "Isn't this going to taste quite poor, since it's basically brewed ages in advance?" I don't see that the people who think Starbucks is so great (whether it is or not; I'm proud to say I've *never* even been in Starbucks; nor Gap for that matter) would be that mu
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Of course, if the container were to split the coffee from the water until you heated it, it might not be so bad. But even that seems hardly different to me than buying some instant crap from a vending machine. Except of course the vending machine gives you a coffee instantly, rather than fumbling around in the cold trying to activate the device and then then waiting several minutes for it to be even drinkable.
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It didn't taste spectacular, but if you were cold and wanted a warm cup of coffee (and it did get pretty damn hot) it was a fantastic solution. Just a shame it cost so much and didn't sell so well.
As a result, I haven't seen these for about a year or so now
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Because crappy or not, they clearly give the customer what they want. If they didn't, they'd never make any money.
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At What Point... (Score:5, Funny)
"Look here, Cletus. This is what them's calls calcium oxi--- aaiiiiieeeeeeeee!!!!! Muh giblets!!"
Re:At What Point... (Score:4, Insightful)
More likely scenario: Someone who hasn't trimmed their fingernails down to the quick accidentally breaks it open, causing crippling third degree burns. After finding out that the company knew that this was a problem (from countless other similar accidents) but decided that keeping a corporate legal team was cheaper than redesigning the container, the customer managed to find a lawyer who hadn't sold their soul to a corporation. After that lawyer somehow manages to get the case into court despite the well-practiced tactics of the corporate team, a jury examines the evidence and awards the customers enough to pay their medical bills, plus a punitary award that seems large for an individual but is corporate pocket change. After multiple appeals by the corporate team, the settlement is whittled down to enough for the medical bills and free coffee for a year.
Meanwhile, politicians whose re-election coffers are fattened with corporate checks make a big deal about how "lawsuit happy" the country is, and -- once enough gullible people have bought into grossly exaggerated "examples" [lawandhelp.com] -- push for "tort reform". For some reason, "responsibility" isn't seen as a concept that should apply to corporations.
Yes - Nescafe & UK (Score:3, Interesting)
They were withdrawn from sale shortly after introduced, due to lack of popularity.
Re:already done (Score:2)
Somehow that still ends up being less than you'd pay at the motorway services for a cup!
But what does it taste like? (Score:2)
Re:But what does it taste like? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:But what does it taste like? (Score:4, Insightful)
*raises hand*
I'm addicted now, though. But I still love the taste, and moving from the halfway-decent coffee I usually drink to shitty cheapass Folgers coffee would be more torture than the money I would save would be worth.
Re:But what does it taste like? (Score:2)
Re:But what does it taste like? (Score:2)
I'll stick to grind and hot water. We make ours in vaccuum flasks at work. (The air hole in the vaccuum tube thinger helps with the brewing.)
While we don't use bunson burners anymore, we've moved on to hotplates. We do still use a glass funnel.
Replace Starbucks, I don't think so... (Score:4, Informative)
Best. Invention. Ever... (Score:2)
I just hope that it doesn't taste as ass nasty as the Wolfgang Puck soups do. Those soups are almost as bad as Dinty Moore products.
Now, I doubt that I'd grab one of these in the morning but taking a case or two of them on weekend camping trips would be nice, especially when camping in cold weather.
Re:Uhhh... (Score:2, Funny)
I'm afraid to ask about the beans... I'll stick to the S'mores.
Re:Uhhh... (Score:2)
Fire? These days, camping involves parking the RV next to the nearest Wal-Mart. That way, you can plug into a power source and not only get a heated area to sleep, but you can even pick up your satellite TV. When you run out of food, just walk on over to the Supercenter and purchase all of their canned food.
NOT new.... (Score:2)
Coffee? (Score:2)
Self-lighting cigerette (Score:2)
Re:Self-lighting cigerette (Score:2)
6 Minutes to heat up (Score:3, Insightful)
got it (Score:2)
At least three years old (Score:3, Interesting)
Four years old? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Four years old? (Score:2)
If you're willing to go to Starbucks, you must be pretty desperate. Or else you've bought into the brainwashing that the over-roasted crap they have there really is coffee.
Used to be I only had trouble believing what came out of people's mouths, now I have trouble believing what they put into them too....
why is starbuck's the benchmark? (Score:4, Interesting)
As for this coffee in a can... Well, I can't imagine how good it would really be. It will probably be ok, given that it's going for a lattle, most likely flavored and sweetened. I don't think this could work for a plain old cup of coffee, but for a coffee drink with milk and flavoring it will probably mask enough of the stale coffee flavor to be drinkable.
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Of these three components, freshly roasted is 90% of the difference between fresh-brewed evil and drinkable coffee.
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Re:why is starbuck's the benchmark? (Score:3, Interesting)
Well yeah - Starbucks is nothing but location and marketing. The beans are decent, the milk is scalded (rather than steamed and frothed) 50% of the time and the price is outrageous - it is fast food coffee. I drink it sometimes, but if you come from the northwestern US Starbucks coffee is definitely second rate.
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As for cost, if you don't get a latte or other "complicated" drink
Re:why is starbuck's the benchmark? (Score:3)
Starbucks coffee is way over-roasted. It is still way better than Folgers or Maxwell house which is why *$ does such brisk business.
won't work (Score:5, Informative)
Your average coffee drinker does not even realize that most all Starbuck's coffee is over roasted and made of inferior quality beans. The really scary thing; the quality of Dunkin Donuts coffee beans are higher than Starbuck's! I did not know this, but a coffee guru (bean tester and whatnot for major coffee companies) tells me it is true.
Dunkin Donuts (Score:2)
This Wolfgang Puck thing sounds like an abomination, and will likely resemble coffee as Coors Light resembles beer.
Re:Dunkin Donuts (Score:5, Insightful)
The founder of Starbucks had a business insight:
1. Sell cheap coffee for 4 bucks. 2. ??? 3. Profit!
Step two being: Yuppies will buy it just to feel cool.
Re:won't work (Score:2)
Dunkin Donuts recently "improved" their coffee. I have not had any of their "new" coffee, but I have heard it is actually suprisingly good.
Starbucks, while not really great coffee, is certainly better than anything instant, or anything made by companies such as Folgers, which is what people here are used to. I can't stand Folgers, but Starbucks, at least their lighter roasts (House Blend and Breakfast Blend, to some extent Columbian) are quite decent. Not up to the beans I can get at a good local roaster,
Re:won't work (Score:2)
I had a cup of coffee at Starbucks that tasted like antifreeze. I'm never going in there again (well, other than to use the free WiFi). The coffee that comes in little foil pouches at work tastes better than Starbucks coffee.
What's more unfortunate is that Starbucks has pushed most of the smaller coffee shops out of business. There was one nearby that used to be the hangout for the art & music kids at local schools. The furniture was all mismatched and t
Re:won't work (Score:3, Insightful)
I've been a DD drinker for a long time -- here in MA it's a bit hard to avoid it. But when I had my first Starbuck's I thought I had a bad batch. Way too burnt tasting.
I thought my tastes weren't sophisticated enough, and it was better coffee that I just hadn't appreciated yet.
Now, their frillyfrothycreamycandythingies aren't half bad. But most days I want a $1 cup a coffee, not a $5 dessert.
But I have to admit, sometimes it's a
People want to "be seen there"?? (Score:3, Insightful)
People go to Starbuck's so they can say they go there. And to be seen there.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but where do people think going to Starbuck's is a status-enhancing gimmick? The only place where this might work is East Podunk, USA. In most metropolitan areas the Starbuck's outnumber the Kwik-E-Marts and carry about the same cachet. They are appealing because a) they are absolutely everywhere [in most cities], i.e. convenient and b) the product is generally consistent across stores in di
But Wait, There's More! (Score:2)
Seedless Corn!
and coming soon, watch out Atkins!
Here comes Fat-Free Lard!
Sounds like a great product (Score:2)
It's 63 degrees Celsius. (Score:3, Informative)
That's 336 K for physicists.
Digestion problems (Score:2)
Re:Digestion problems (Score:2)
Yuck (Score:5, Insightful)
Every time I go home, I bring a few months' supply of 100% pure Arabica beans. Here in the US good coffee is insanely expensive.
Re:Yuck (Score:2)
Calcium Oxide? (Score:2)
(CLUE: It's rhetorical sarcasm. I really DO know why.)
Remembrance of Cowboy BeBop: The Movie. (Score:2, Interesting)
Okay... (Score:2)
Mmmm, MREs (Score:5, Insightful)
It comes in a bag; you add water and then stuff your entree into the bag. The water comes to a boil (or at least apparently; it may just be hydrogen evolving from the reation, and they tell you not to use it in an enclosed place). The food goes from room temperature to way-too-hot-to-eat in a few minutes.
They recommend two of them if the food starts off frozen, but I've found that one will take it from rock-solid to tolerable (the things were designed to be eaten room-temperature as well.) It's not exactly luxury food, but it's incredible to have have hot food available almost instantly without having to carry cooking equipment or starting a fire.
How to fuck your good name (Score:2)
Such a product was introduced to Switzerland some 4 years ago. Appart from the environmental unfriendliness it tasted like shit!. I don't think that it's still available, but I'm not sure.
So why the hell launches such a famous guy such a product? Sure he can probably add a 50 cents premium on a product that he most likely doesn't manufa
but, doesn't coffee come hot? (Score:2)
I just don't get it
spin... wee! (Score:2)
In other words, feed a double-shot to that monkey on your back and he'll leave you alone for a while.
Waste disposal (Score:2)
Woohoo! New grocery store prank (Score:5, Funny)
"Damn, I got another can of self-heating coffee that doesn't heat!" I can almost hear the recalls as we speak. Another global corporation out to kill my neighborhood coffee shop, foiled by little old me.
Old News (Score:5, Informative)
MRE coffee (Score:3, Funny)
Presenting...
The MRE "Rock or something" manual [aaoobfoods.com].
sooo... (Score:5, Funny)
Nescafe launched this in 2001 (Score:4, Interesting)
Nescafe Hot was a flop. [hirzel.com] "In 2002, Swiss beverage maker Nestle SA tested a self-heating can holding its Nescafe Hot When You Want coffee in England. But the company ended the trial run after several months, finding the can did not heat the liquid to a consistent temperature, said Nestle spokesman Francois-Xavier Perroud. "It didn't pan out," he said. Nestle is still interested in the idea, which it believes will be popular with consumers, but it is "not aware of a self-heating can that lives up to our expectations,"
Great! More wasted packaging! (Score:3, Funny)
The only real use I can see for it is when hiking or as part of an emergency kit.
I already have something like this... (Score:3, Funny)
Not only did we do this already.. (Score:3, Insightful)
If you really really want lukewarm reheated instant coffee for the price of a latte at starbucks, great. For the rest of us, thermos flasks suffice (Or if you require masochism in your life, simply carry around a flattened paper cup with a few single-serving packets of instant coffee; just add lukewarm tap water, and you're good to go - and for a fraction of the price!)
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This is how it actually works (Score:2)
What, like beef and chicken? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:gah (Score:5, Funny)
Mmmm... alligator.
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:2)
Or maybe Americans still like their cubits, hogsheads and lakhs.
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:2)
> wow, thats pretty hot.. or are you still using fahrenheits?
I think that superheated steam will wake you up more effectively than regular old caffeine, don't you?! The big problem, of course, is making the pressurized "coffee steam vessel" affordable.
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:2)
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:2)
Fahrenheits. We don't agree with the rest of the world on any subject, so why should we join them in a common set of measurement standards? :)
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:4, Funny)
wow, thats pretty hot.. or are you still using fahrenheits?
Actually, it's rather cold. Assuming that a SI unit pedant would use Kelvin...
Re:Thats pretty hot (Score:2)
The coffee is free; the metal tongs you use to pick it up are $39.95.
Re:So... (Score:2)
Or perhaps when the exothermic reaction gets hot enough to ignite the cup in your hand, then you could sue.
Or if you are American... Then you could sue.
Uh... You sig (Score:2)
Shouldn't that read:
Prêt à tout pour avoir le dernier mot, depuis 1977.
Try it again. Just Google translated it doesn't mean its correct.
Re:Uh... You sig (Score:2)
Re:Under pressure? (Score:2)
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Coffee? (Score:2)
Re:Won't catch on at McDonalds (Score:3, Informative)
http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm
Please read before making an uninformed comment.
Re:I will launch a competing product (Score:5, Funny)
Now with extra alkaloids!