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Business Under Fire 564

Ben Rothke writes "In Outsource: Competing in the Global Productivity Race , Edward Yourdon examined the plight of displaced workers who find their jobs outsourced to cheaper workers overseas. The reality is that American technology jobs are being outsourced by the tens of thousands, with no end in sight. Workers who once envisioned a bright future now only see grim possibilities. In a fascinating book, Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror - and What We Can Learn from Them, author Dan Carrison focuses on a different sort of crisis resulting in lost jobs: terrorism." Read on for Rothke's review.
Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror and What We Can Learn from Them
author Dan Carrison
pages 256
publisher AMACOM
rating 10
reviewer Ben Rothke
ISBN 0814408397
summary Businesses learning to cope with a depressed economy and violence can find unexpected lessons in adversity.

Since the revival of the Palestinian intifada in October 2000, hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost in Israel -- a situation made worse by the NASDAQ meltdown of the same period. With an Israeli population of only 6.2 million, these lost jobs have had a catastrophic effect on the economy.

As a management consultant, Carrison wondered how any company, let alone an entire economy, could survive in an environment ravaged by terrorism and a recession. He questioned -- from a business perspective -- how businesses in Israel were able to stay viable in such a chaotic and destructive environment. He concludes, after spending time in Israel and interviewing many business leaders there, that even with all of the terrorism the Israeli economy is surprisingly robust.

Without getting into the politics of the middle-east conflict, nor taking sides, the book shows both technology and business managers how they can deal with the most adverse of situations.

Carrison interviews a cross section of CEOs and managers from industries hurt the hardest; namely tourism, hotel, hi-tech and biotech. What emerges from all of the stories is that every manager claims that the intifada not destroyed his company, but has actually made it a leaner and more efficient organization and one that will be ready to go into overdrive when normal economic times resume.

The five chapters have the same format: interviews with CEOs and senior directors, and a checklist for managing a business under fire. Each interviewee offers his own observations and strategies on how to deal with the current situation and work towards future growth. These strategies run from redefining the market, sharing the risk, to contingency plans and more.

One significant difference between Israel and America is demonstrated by the way Israeli citizens deal psychologically with terrorism. In an interview with financial consultant Danny Halpern, Carrison asks how many people would rent office space in the World Trade Center in New York City, were it completely rebuilt and reopened tomorrow. Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired.

Another telling difference that Halpern observed is that in Israel is more concerned with the quality of security, whereas in the U.S., more is invested into the mechanics of security. In the U.S., because of the huge numbers involved, the investment in security by default is in the mechanics, and the system. With that, minimum wage workers are hired to carry out what are supposedly important security functions.

The hotel industry has been hit hard. Hotels operate with large staffs, and require high occupancy rates to break even (roughly 75 percent). Carrison interviewed a number of hotel managers who saw their occupancy rate average about 25 percent. By any account, those hotels should have closed its doors and declared bankruptcy. But what happened is that the hotels discovered many correctable inefficiencies. In fact, Raphy Weiner, General Manager of the five-star Daniel Hotel, noted that he learned how inefficient the hotel had been before the crisis and "we'll never go back to the old way. The intifada has been a school for us."

The lesson that American IT managers can take from Weiner are that even the most adverse situation can be a fulcrum for change. Those in danger of having their jobs outsourced -- a significant number of us -- can take those lessons to heart, and hope that their managers and CEOs do too.

Carrison found that every manager had been challenged in cataclysmic ways, but refused to be run out of business by terrorists. Their defiance to the terrorists led them to streamline operations, reduce staff and determine a method to ride out the economic storm. That cutting back leads to a cruel irony: the people most heavily hurt from an economic perspective are the many Palestinian workers who -- before the intifada started -- had good jobs in Israel. The severe cutbacks in many firms resulted in Palestinian workers losing their jobs as a direct result of terrorist activities by their compatriots.

While the cause of the Israeli programmer losing his job is not the same as that of the American programmer; the manner in which they both can rebuild can be the same. Nietzsche's observation that "what does not destroy me, makes me stronger" is the attitude in interview after interview in the book. There is a lot that American programmers and managers can learn from those under fire in Israel.


You can purchase Business Under Fire: How Israeli Companies Are Succeeding in the Face of Terror - and What We Can Learn from Them from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.
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  • Well.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:13PM (#11281507) Journal
    I guess you can always rely on making money from writing books taking advantage of mass fears and the yearly bandwagon?
    • Re:Well.. (Score:2, Funny)

      by JaffaKREE ( 766802 )
      Wasn't there a book review yesterday saying to not worry about outsourcing ? WHO DO I BELIEVE ?!
      • Re:Well.. (Score:3, Informative)

        by nkh ( 750837 )
        Actually it was Joel Spolsky [joelonsoftware.com]. His problem is: he created his own company, he is successfull and doesn't need to worry about his own future. With all these books sold throught FUD, we don't know what's really happening...
        • Re:Well.. (Score:3, Insightful)

          by b-baggins ( 610215 )
          Because, of course, he's better than you, since it's apparently impossible for you to start your own company and be successful, guaging from your whine.
    • Just like the blurb for this review spent more time referencing a previous review on an outsourcing book than it did describing this book (which apparently has nothing to do with outsourcing)? Did it get your attention?

      The first four words of the second paragraph explain everything: "As a management consultant..." Management consultants live on panic, FUD, and misdirected attention.
  • err (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TechnologyX ( 743745 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:13PM (#11281508) Journal
    Why is it that the US is all gungho about a world economy and taking over every 3rd world country out there, but then when it starts to happen and our job market spreads out, they cry foul and pump up the patriotism?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:13PM (#11281512)
    They are succeeding since the American taxpayers are footing lots of the bill for Israel's defenses. They'd have a much harder time succeeding if the Israelis had to pay for it all themselves.
    • Of course the same could be said about many other countries as well. Would the US stand by and do nothing if Canada were invaded? How about England or Spain? I doubt that the only reason Canadian or European companies are successful is just because the US would defend their countries.
      • Would the US stand by and do nothing if Canada were invaded? How about England or Spain? I doubt that the only reason Canadian or European companies are successful is just because the US would defend their countries.

        The U.S. spends about 5% of GDP on military (including pizza delivery in places like the Indian Ocean), while Canada and Europe spend far less (<2%?).

        Europe and Canada have high tax burdens compared to the U.S. Think how much higher those tax burdens would be if those countries were spen

        • Who exactly are we defending them from? The Canadians and Europeans I mean... They don't need defending from any of the 4 you mentioned. And in the case of the Balkans there were European peacekeepers involved, its not like the U.S. was flying solo on that one.

        • by IgnoramusMaximus ( 692000 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @07:36PM (#11282481)
          So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military.

          As soon as an actual "military" threat arises that has at least 1/100 of plausibility and importance as compared to our fancy social "safety net" we will sacrifice a lot of it to fund our military. As it stands, the USA seems to be shaping to be that threat to all of us in not so remote future.

          Get it through your jingoisting, deluded head: Even at the worst times of anti-communist paranoia, the USSR (as it is now clearly apparent from documents which became available after its fall) was always in a defensive stance to a belligerent US military preasure.

          I am sick and tired of would be hegemons inventing straw-men so that they can go fight them "in our defense" either by proxy like in Colombia, Nicaragua or Venesuela or directly as in Vietnam, Panama or Iraq.

          So quit whining that noone wants to join your imbecillic crusades for fun, mayhem, expansion of religion and profit and be wary because longer you keep at it more likely it is that we (the vast majority of the people of planet Earth) will end up correcting your belligerence in a way you might find less amusing then a session with Rush Limbaugh.

          Oh and yes, you should get the fuck out of all the ex-soviet republics where you are attempting to estabilish forward military (and incidently US corporate) bases. Russia is only in its adversarial stance because of your insistence on aggressive expansion of NATO. You are the source of the problem in China with your brainless, unbridled orgy of corporate greed that makes that country more powerful by the minute. It is your unquestioning, insane, support for Israel's mad policies, as well as those of Arab dictatorships in places like Saudi Arabia that causes the mess in Middle-East. Not to mention that is your country that fabricated evidence for a war of agression and greed it had planned for years in advance. In short, it is you who are the prime and foremost danger to the safety of the planet, noone else is even a remote second place condender.

          • As soon as an actual "military" threat arises that has at least 1/100 of plausibility and importance as compared to our fancy social "safety net" we will sacrifice a lot of it to fund our military.

            The main problem with that idea is that it takes many years to build (outfit, train, etc) a military.

            Historically, the politicians haven't been exactly fast reacting when the storm clouds are showing up, either...

            In the 1920's my country (Sweden) closed down almost all of the defence. When trying to buy

            • by grcumb ( 781340 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @08:38PM (#11283072) Homepage Journal

              "The main problem with that idea is that it takes many years to build (outfit, train, etc) a military."

              That may be true in cases where the state has no resources of its own. In the years between 1939 and 1945, Canada went from having 3 ships in its navy to possessing the 3rd largest navy in the world. In the first world war, it had over 1,000,000 men and women in uniform - that's 10% of the total population at the time. Every time it's felt the need, Canada has managed to go to a war footing in a remarkably short period of time.

              ... And that's why I'm skeptical when Americans proclaim that they're protecting us. In major conflicts[*], we've always done a fine job of protecting ourselves, with a fair amount left over to help our neighbours.

              [*] It's more than a little ironic that the only foreign invasions Canada has ever faced have come from its southern border. 8^)

        • by khasim ( 1285 ) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Thursday January 06, 2005 @07:41PM (#11282539)
          One way to look at this is that the U.S. taxpayer is subsidising the socialist economies of the West by providing their defense.
          That would be true before the fall of the Berlin Wall and Russia's change. Now, the threat has changed.

          But our military hasn't.
          It's an open question whether those countries could maintain their social programs and provide for their own defense if we didn't keep them dry under our umbrella.
          If you want to look at it that way. Again, those countries don't face the same threat in the 21st century that they faced in the 20th century.

          But our military planning hasn't changed. Our force deployment hasn't changed.

          Having 10,000 tanks in Germany would have been a good idea in 1975. In 2005, it's just a waste of money.
          The fact that they are right now having to cut back their social programs and taxes to save their economies suggests that they would be forced to choose between guns or butter if we left them on their own.
          Meanwhile, the US government is running how large of a deficit?

          The government has LIMITED income and must decide where to spend that money.

          All governments are like that.
          So, we pay for the Canadians and the Europeans to have a fancy ``social safety net'', then they laugh at us because we don't have one, and insult us because we have a big military.
          No, we don't pay for their ``social safety net''. THEY pay for it.

          All WE do is maintain troops and equipment and bases there. Are those needed to defend those countries in 2005?

          It doesn't look like it.
          Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continent deal with the Balkans and the Middle East and Russia and China on their own dime, and just take care of ourselves for a while?
          And how is Russia a threat to Germany today? Hmmmmm?

          The threat TODAY is from terrorism. And Germany has been dealing with terrorist attacks in their country for years. We could learn from their approach.
        • by mauddib~ ( 126018 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @07:47PM (#11282598) Homepage
          I don't often comment on the rating for certain posts on this site, but I really cannot understand how this could be rated +4 informative.

          First of all: have you ever considered how much you actually pay for people who are unemployed? You think the lack of a social safety net will lower your taxes. But those who are unemployed are not going around doing nothing. It attracts crime, non-educated jobs, etc. etc. You've just paid money for an education for these people, but when they get unemployed that money is let to waste!

          Then talk about defense. I would really like to know from you: what danger did the US protect us from the past, uhm, 60 years? Communism? Look carefully my friend. It wasn't the US which stopped it by it's useless war in Vietnam. It was the people of the 'communism' states which did that. Terrorism? As far as I can see, the arrogance of the US actually attracted terrorism. By fighting it you actually proved yourself in your own arrogance.

          Your government has made you believe in a fear for terrorism (and communism 40 years ago). These fears were unfounded! Just like Hitler made the people believe to fear certain groups of the population. He used the same arguments: public safety, economic prosperity.

          For as far as I can see, dear poster and dear citizen of the US: we here in Europe don't need and have never asked for your protection. Moreover, I think most people here do not believe in the means of protection you are giving.

          One last example: as far as I can see, North-Korea seems to be a real threat: chance of manufacturing nuclear bombs, totalirian regime, supression of human-rights, etc. etc. Why are you not 'liberating' this country? Do you miss a certain economic drive in this war? Or do you want to project a 'democracy' in all the countries you're in any way interested in?

          Please US citizens, open your eyes. Grab the hints we are giving you. Look at this slashdot page and see what posts are way rated up. Listen to your own fellows who are saying your democratic system is falling apart because of monopolistic and political misuse.

          TODO list: remove ignorance, get educated in more than you've been educated in at highschool, learn to think and have an opinion for yourself. Throw TV out of window.
          • by hondo77 ( 324058 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @09:39PM (#11283676) Homepage

            You were doing okay until:

            For as far as I can see, dear poster and dear citizen of the US: we here in Europe don't need and have never asked for your protection.

            Um, does World War II ring any bells?

            • I'm not really sure they ever asked for our help in World War II, although they were certainly grateful. Of course, we did tremendously well for ourselves in that deal, too, lest you forget. It's not like WW2 was all American sacrifice. It pulled us out of the great depression and made us (quite literally) the superpower we are today. Whatsmore, it was completely fought on the soil of other nations -- nations whose economies, previously powerful, and infrastructures, previously widespread, were reduced
        • Maybe we should let those sleazeballs on the Continent deal with the Balkans and the Middle East and Russia and China on their own dime, and just take care of ourselves for a while? I bet we'd be laughing a lot longer than they would

          Most of those "sleazeballs on the Continent" aren't in the habit of making enemies all over the world by 'projecting power' with their military ego trips or pulling the rug out from democratically elected governments like the US did in Iran, Chile, Venezuala (almost), Haiti

      • There's a big difference between having a mutual defence pact and one country footing the bill for the entire military defence of another.

        The US pours billions into the Israeli military every year. I think it's pretty inexcusable that we're spending that kind of money propping up a foreign country - especially one that's in such a volatile position because its founders wanted to fulfill a religious prophecy that involved having control of Jerusalem.
      • $2NATO != $2Israel (Score:3, Interesting)

        by cmholm ( 69081 )
        As a percentage of local GNP, what Israel gets in aid dwafts what various NATO nations got in aid during the Cold War (not including the despoiled Europe of the late 40's).

        I think what the previous poster was alluding to is the idea that Israeli policy is more intransigent with billions in US economic and military aid to prop up their economy than it would be without. Whether this is strictly true, or if the Israelis would just suck it in and damn the torpedoes is beside the point: most Israelis and their n

    • Your point is more pertinent to politics than business. Most companies don't exist in countries anyone is trying to destroy, and are more interested in things like the level of regulation than the military. I don't think Canadian companies are succeeding because Canada has a strong military, since frankly there would be little threat to Canada even if they had a very weak military.
    • The external funding of Palestine by groups opposed to US inerests.

      If both Palistine and Israel had to fight each other with resources they have and no outside influence, the fight would have been over long ago. It's poor form to suggest you remove funding from one side of the equation alone.
    • $3BN (Score:5, Informative)

      by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:53PM (#11281976)
      They are succeeding since the American taxpayers are footing lots of the bill for Israel's defenses.

      Yep, to about the tune of $2 Billion With A Capital B in "military aide", and +$700M in economic aide. $3B isn't enough- they want more for "border security" and whatnot.

      Think I'm using some nazi group for my figures? Phbt. Try the Haaretz [haaretz.com].

      None of this counts the billions in defense spending; Israel makes a HUGE number of major and minor systems for virtually every US military vehicle.

      Slighty sarcastic view- maybe if we saved that $3B+/yr, we'd solve two problems at once- the Israelis would get a lot more serious about the peace process, and we'd have money to pump into our own economy instead of theirs. Like, say, our crumbling roads/railway system, healthcare/retirement, inadequate community emergency services, etc.

      Of course, that will never happen. Any politician who suggests cutting aide to Israel stands to be accused of anti-semetism...

      • Re:$3BN (Score:5, Informative)

        by katz ( 36161 ) <Email? What e-mail?> on Thursday January 06, 2005 @07:28PM (#11282388)
        This is not entirely correct. From the Israel Facts & Myths [jewishvirtuallibrary.org] database:

        "Contrary to popular wisdom, the United States does not simply write billion dollar checks and hand them over to Israel to spend as they like. Only about 26 percent ($555 million of $2.1 billion in 2003) of what Israel receives in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) can be spent in Israel for military procurement. The remaining 74 percent is spent in the United States to generate profits and jobs. More than 1,000 companies in 47 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signed contracts worth billions of dollars through this program over the last several years."

      • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06, 2005 @07:49PM (#11282629)
        Am I getting some facts wrong? Arafat walked away from the negotiating table at Camp David even when he was offered 95 % of the land from the 1967 war.

        He did so because the intifada was a effective money earner. In 2002 or so, Arafat was worth some 1.5 Billion $ [news.com.au]. He did this because he cheated his own people.

        You're asking the wrong people to get serious about the peace process. Do you know Jordan gets more than 1.5 Billion and Egypt gets 3 Billion odd in US funds every year?
        • Am I getting some facts wrong? Arafat walked away from the negotiating table at Camp David even when he was offered 95 % of the land from the 1967 war.

          ... and you cleverly neglected to mention that this land was divdied into hundreds of "bantustans" criss-crossed with Israeli roads and settlements, some of them completely isolated from each other, that this "sovereign" state was to be subject to israeli military "border" patrols and that some people would have to cross the border to go to school or a groce

  • Maturity (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Stanistani ( 808333 )
    Let's see if we can have this discussion without descending to racial stereotyping or xenophobia.

    That said, it is interesting that some business institutions can survive under enormous stress.
    London during the Blitz provided a few examples.
    • > Let's see if we can have this discussion without descending to racial stereotyping or xenophobia.

      All you stinking Belgians say that.
    • Let's see if we can have this discussion without descending to racial stereotyping or xenophobia.

      You're new here, aren't you?
  • not just business (Score:5, Insightful)

    by The Queen ( 56621 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:18PM (#11281566) Homepage
    I don't think the lessons here are about businesses surviving as much as people. Really, if Americans had to deal with the level of terrorism that Isrealis do on a daily basis, society would fall right apart.

    "But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired."

    Would you go back to your office after an attack? No. And then they'd raze the building and put up a monument.
    • This is pure conjecture. American society didn't fall apart after Pearl Harbor. And I don't see mass emigration from NYC, even though it's an obvious target of terrorists.
      • And I don't see mass emigration from NYC, even though it's an obvious target of terrorists.
        Hell, New York went to Kerry. They didn't even vote for the guy who went out of his way to pay the most lip service to security. Ingrates.
      • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:36PM (#11281765)
        American society didn't fall apart after Pearl Harbor.

        No, not at all. But the Consitution certainly did. Remember the Japanese internment camps. Americans have become a country of real wimps (I'm embarassed to say).
    • If the American had to put up terrorism the way the Israelis do we would'nt. THe army would've gone in, shot every last one of them, buried them in mass graves and then we would build wal marts and MCDonalds over them

      • Actually, they U.S. would send in enough troops to kind of half-ass the job, then they'd institute a stop-loss order when things start to go wrong, which kills morale, and then the whole thing will kind of fester because the Bush admin is too proud to pull out and too concerned about its continued popularity to institute a draft.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Really, if Americans had to deal with the level of terrorism that Isrealis do on a daily basis, society would fall right apart.

      I repsectfully disagree. Americans will never tolerate the terrorism that Isreal has. Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.

      This is the only explaination that I can see, our borders are transparent, we have tho

      • More than that (Score:3, Insightful)

        by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) *
        I repsectfully disagree. Americans will never tolerate the terrorism that Isreal has. Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.


        Not just that, but you'd start seeing rifle racks appearing in places other than pickups - like SUV's and Honda Accords. And "Security Mom" would take on a whole new level of meaning.
        • Re:More than that (Score:3, Informative)

          by Tool Man ( 9826 )
          Actually... while I've never been there, my understanding was that Israeli citizens have more legal access to firepower than Americans. Perhaps that has changed, so someone please correct me if wrong.

          Another things though, is that bombers there have a willingness to die for their cause, which is hard to defend against. A full rifle rack is useless against someone who is willing to be a human bomb.
      • Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous.

        I think Isreali citizens are probably better armed then most Americans... and they can be pretty damn righteous.

        This righteousness and Religious fanaticism is one of the reasons they are targeted by terrorists.

        we have thousands of illegal middle easterners in the country, arms and explosives are easy to aquire in the USA - why don't we have "retail" terrorism?

        Because most of those illegal middle easterners are
      • Private citizens are too well armed (legally) and too, for lack of a better term, righteous. If we were to have car bombs and suicide bombings start, you would see every rifle rack in a every pickup full.

        How is a firearm supposed to deter a suicide bomber, especially considering that most of the time they do sneak attacks? What the hell do you think you're going to shoot at? Shredded chunks of flesh on the sidewalk?

  • It just seems everything these days need to get a coat of "Magic Terrorism Paint (tm)" in order to sell, doesn't it?
  • by MisanthropicProgram ( 763655 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:19PM (#11281571)
    That cutting back leads to a cruel irony: the people most heavily hurt from an economic perspective are the many Palestinian workers who -- before the intifada started -- had good jobs in Israel.

    This, my friends, is one of the reasons why violent actions should be used very very sparingly. Violence usually has a way of just polarizing a situation to the point where both sides are destroyed in the process. Just think how prosperous both sides would be if they kissed and made up and stopped this incessant fighting.

    NOTE: I'm am not taking anyone's side. It's time for both sides to work it out regardless of the past.

    • Yes, that would be ideal, obviously, but there are those in power, on both sides, who are benefiting handsomely through this bloodshed. I mean look at how much money Arafat had embezzeled. And I'm sure there are many defense bigwigs in Israel who are much richer today than they would be if there was just peace. And the radical religious leaders, they need fear, hate, death, and turmoil in order to stay in place. Then there's the countries that sell arms to Israel, they have a vested interest in war, too
      • Sharon is in partnership for a casino to be opened up in palestine so was arafat. That's right sharon and arafat were in the same partnership in a casino along with some european interests.

        When it came to fleecing the palestenians they were both of the same mind.

        How many times has Sharon been investigated for corruption anyway? Aren't there some probes still going on?
    • Why think about something that will never happen. There will never be peace between people who have been warring for thousands of years.

      It will go on until one side succeeds in killing every last one of the other.

      What did god say? "kill them all, kill their kids, kill their animals, salt the earth so that you even kill their plants".

      "It's time for both sides to work it out regardless of the past."

      Have you ever heard any palestenian or israeli ever have a conversation about this subject without reeling o
      • There will never be peace between people who have been warring for thousands of years.

        I think it's more like 100 years.

        Weren't Britain and France at war for hundreds of years?

        Have you ever heard any palestenian or israeli ever have a conversation about this subject without reeling off all the wrongdoings the evil others did in the past?

        I asked an Israeli woman what she thought about the settlements in the W. Bank. All she said was "Why would anyone want to live there?"
      • There will never be peace between people who have been warring for thousands of years.

        That's factually incorrect. The Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived together relatively peacefully for several hundred years in Jerusalem under the Ottoman empire. Up right until WWI.

        Idiots like you believe bullshit like that because idiots like you keep fucking repeating it. Shut up.
      • Have you ever heard any palestenian or israeli ever have a conversation about this subject without reeling off all the wrongdoings the evil others did in the past?.

        Hell yes. Just go and listen to normal Palestinian or Israelite. All you probably hear is the warhawk politicians in the country, who derive power and popularity from the conflict, or from politicians in other countries who have firmly decided which side is right to them, and which is wrong. The press is just as bad, whenever the conflict ma

    • Good idea- but what do you do with the people who won't listen? And what about economic terrorists like Tata, Wipro, and Infosys who prefer to starve their victims rather than blow them up?
  • Diminishing Returns (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nebaz ( 453974 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:20PM (#11281587)
    What emerges from all of the stories is that every manager claims that the intifada not destroyed his company, but has actually made it a leaner and more efficient organization and one that will be ready to go into overdrive when normal economic times resume.

    I wonder, just because in "crisis mode" more efficiency and productivity can be gained, does this necessarily transfer to normal times. The US rationed materials in WW2, they did not do so later. Also people go at a certain pace, faster in emergency mode. I don't know if it is sustainable in the long term.
    • If the emergency becomes the normal condition, then it's not an emergency anymore, and people will revert back to their normal pace.
    • by archen ( 447353 )
      The efficiency will transfer for a while. But then it will revert to whatever levels is "normal". The big impact that this WILL have is that people will be able to cope with hard times easier when they come again. My grandmother rationed during WWII, but that was peanuts compaired to getting through the great depression - so in her experience it wasn't really as bad as it could have been. A side effect is that no matter how good times were thereafter she never let much of anything go to waste for the re
  • Overstatement? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by I8TheWorm ( 645702 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:30PM (#11281690) Journal
    Workers who once envisioned a bright future now only see grim possibilities.

    Is that just a bit of an overstatement? My first 4 years in the industry I was fulltime. The longest layoff I had (I'm now fulltime again) in 9 years as a contract programmer after that was 4 months. That followed the Enron/Dynegy/El Paso fiasco in Houston.

    What people out there in the /. community have grim prospects because of the offshore outsourcing?
  • Real adversity (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:32PM (#11281717)
    Israeli companies have a walk in the park compared to Palestinian companies. Many more Palestinians have been shot or bombed than Israelis. Israelis don't have to spend hours going through multiple checkpoints to get from one town to the next.

    If he really wanted to do a book about doing business under adverse conditions he should have written about Palestinian companies.

    • Israeli companies have a walk in the park compared to Palestinian companies.

      Palestinians also suffer the disadvantages of living in a corrupt bullshit not-even-country instead of a first-world democracy. That might have something to do with quality of life.
  • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:33PM (#11281729)
    I like the way the reviewer (and the book, apparently) say that Americans are pussies:

    One significant difference between Israel and America is demonstrated by the way Israeli citizens deal psychologically with terrorism. In an interview with financial consultant Danny Halpern, Carrison asks how many people would rent office space in the World Trade Center in New York City, were it completely rebuilt and reopened tomorrow. Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and customers frequent bombed cafes and restaurants as soon as they are repaired.

    I tend to agree (and yes, I'm an American).
    • I tend to disagree (and I'm European). I have always found Americans to be adaptable, can do people. Yes they whine and moan, probably a little more than everyone else but that does not change the fact that when the time comes they stand up to be counted. Lets compare that to the Israeli attitude of a nuclear power trying to convince us that a few Palestinians with machine guns and home made mortars pose a serious threat to the existence of one the most powerfully armed countries on the planet. I think its
    • [Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed,...] I tend to agree (and yes, I'm an American).

      To be fair, Israel's population tends to be "filtered" for those who put "religious pride" above safety. Many Israeli's come to Isreal for religious or ethnic pride reasons and they have dual citizenship with other countries in Europe, US, etc. Thus, those heavily afraid of terrorism probably w
    • It's that whole desire to not get blown up that keeps Americans from repeating things that got other people killed.
    • The WTC property has been the source of a major fight as to who gets to build what kind of building -- massive developer interest. I have no doubt that if really good, class A office property gets built on the site once the developer spats are finished that it will fill up in a heartbeat, particularly if its a unique design or gains any kind of "cool" cachet.



    • It's all a matter of what your accustomed to. America, and Americans are not a climatized to even having enemies. Keep in mind with the exception of perl harbor no war has ever been fought on american soil since the civil war. so why should they/we be able to deal with terrorism. What cracks me up even more is the fact that Isreal expereinces so much terrorism because they are bullies. They bully people off their own land then when the people retaliate they cry foul. I'm tired of Isreal playing the victim
  • We have created an environment that is becoming increasingly more hostile to free enterprise. The U.S. took a real beating on the Heritage Foundation's Economic Freedom Index and yet so few Americans care. Too many Americans want benefits out the ass from the government and then complain when the economy starts to take a hit.

    Here's a solution: tort reform and deregulation of the work environment. Get rid of Social Security and Medicare and make employees responsible for their own medical care and retiremen
  • I thought Joel [joelonsoftware.com] said to stop worrying about all the jobs going to India [joelonsoftware.com]. What gives? Is it only old people in Korea who should worry about outsourcing? I'm so confused.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Outsourcing == Terrorism! Now THAT message might actually sell in Washington these days. Why didn't we think of it early? :)
  • by lutskot ( 658962 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:43PM (#11281862) Homepage
    I find it very amusing every time I read about Americans complaining about loosing their jobs to outsourcing.

    What exactly did the people of America expect from the World Trade Organization, APEC and NAFTA?

    Did Americans really expect that these free trade organizations and treaties would only work in favor of the US? That the US would be able to import goods even cheaper than normal, creating virtual slave states in places like Mexico and China?

    Next time the WTO comes to town and you sit down at starbucks instead of heading out to the streets in protest, consider that free trade works both ways. It's specifically designed to make it easy for corporations to find the cheapest labor possible, which pushes expensive US jobs overseas to be done by equally qualified professionals in other places like India for a fraction of the cost.

    And as long as corporations only want more profit, it will keep moving this way, so just get used to it. Stop buying SUV, 4 dollar coffees and 5,000 dollar LCD TVs, reduce your lifestyle to something more modest and take a salary cut or live with the fact that the American dream along with it's capitalist economy is going down the drain.

    Personally I couldn't be happier this is happening, but it's irritating to see a country be so naive and ignorant about the mess it created all by itself.
  • by Cryofan ( 194126 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @06:44PM (#11281871) Journal
    I guarantee you that if we took some of the politicians responible for outsourcing, and tried them for treason in a court of law, and then executed the ones found guilty (as traitors should be executed, by precedent of law), 90% of that outsourcing would disappear toot-sweet....

  • Next we'll see a book on WHY Kerry should have beat Bush. Just friggin let it go. Jobs will always migrate from one area to another. I don't see any former crop pickers bitchin pissin and moaning about migrant workers here in SoCal. Figure out a new area to be within and act upon your plan...

  • Why would the "article" start talking about a book from another author on outsourcing and make the job to terrorism???

    I'm no fan of offshoring jobs, but to put those 2 things together is fairly irresponsible.
    • No matter whether it makes all that much sense, if corporate lobbyists (who probably are paying money to authors and media people to conflate terrorism with job loss) can make an association between job loss and terrorism, that opens the gates for more and easier manipulation of the American public. They can justify more imperialism.

      It's ALL good, for them, that is. No conspiracy needed or called for. Just everyday business in the corporatist empire. All sorts of businesses pay regular money to industry lo
  • One significant difference between Israel and America is demonstrated by the way Israeli citizens deal psychologically with terrorism. In an interview with financial consultant Danny Halpern, Carrison asks how many people would rent office space in the World Trade Center in New York City, were it completely rebuilt and reopened tomorrow. Halpern doubts the World Trade Center would have the same occupancy level as before 9/11. But he notes that in Israel, office are repopulated after they are bombed, and cus
  • 1) Have no morals.
    2) Write a book linking two of the hottest negative topics in the news in specious ways.
    3) Profit!

    See? No "???" there at all!
  • Well of course if the environment suddenly changes to a more demanding one, the surviving entities (in this case bussiness) will be fitter. Or, rather, only the ones that are already fit, or manage to streamline will survive. But streamlining means shedding all fat from the company. The author seems to think that all companies miraculously converted into lean and mean demons of efficiency. The voice of the failed companies is not to be heard. After all, one characteristic of deceased companies is their usua
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @09:38PM (#11283666) Homepage
    Israel gets about $5 billion per year [jewishvirtuallibrary.org] in US aid, for a population around 5 million. That's a big fraction of the Government's budget.

    In turn, the Israeli government subsidizes a sizable fraction of the economy. As of 1999, about one-third of all gainfully employed Israelis worked directly for various branches of government. This does not include the military.

    So in many cases, the decision to continue doing something in an area of high terrorism is a political and strategic one, not an investment decision. Even if something doesn't make economic sense, it may be subsidized anyway. In particular, the "settlements" movement [motherjones.com] is heavily subsidized.

    This isn't necessarily bad, but any comparison with the US economy has to take that into account.

  • Rerun (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Yonder Way ( 603108 ) on Thursday January 06, 2005 @11:53PM (#11284582)
    As I mentioned in another recent Slashdot headline, Ed Yourdon is our modern day chicken little. He made a zillion dollars selling books and talking about how we were all going to die when Y2K hit. He was wrong on all counts. Now he's looking for his next paycheck. Don't buy into this quack.

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