Sony Ericsson Announces First Walkman Phone 204
jonknee writes "Sony Ericsson has announced the first in a new line of self-described "Walkman phones" that specialize in playing music. The W800i features a 512MB memory card to store tunes and up to 30 hours of playback (if you keep the phone off, otherwise about half that). We should see a Motorola phone with iTunes onboard within the next two weeks, making March the month of music phones."
Yeah... (Score:5, Funny)
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Stuart
Re:Yeah... (Score:5, Informative)
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/23
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Also, limited to T-Mobile (US customers) service.
Also, no price announced yet.
Also, DRM music only.
Re:Yeah... (Score:2, Insightful)
tmobile... great, that's my co.
DRM... where does it say that at? I read Ericsson's site and saw no mention of DRM.
Re:Yeah... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would Sony dump one proprietary standard just to adopt another which they have to pay licencing fees for? Quite honestly, the Sony-bashing regarding memorysticks is garbage. It would be a valid argument if the alternative was an open standard, however most people seem to endorse SDs. Out of all the pletohra of the small flash multimedia standards that constantly pop up I'm not sure why people only attack Sony.
As far as DRM goes, all other players also have DRM. plus it supports MP3s, so there's a way around it. Also, the phone is GSM/GPRS triband so it will likely work with other GSM services in the future.
Re:Yeah... (Score:3, Interesting)
OK, no WiFi, but it's got bluetooth. That would classify it as having Wireless. Anyway, when you're transferring 512MB, the USB2.0 cable is the way to go [quickly].
Wonder what different features being a 'Walkman' brings to the table. My 750i has high quality headphones, AM/FM stereo and MP3 player (and vga video camera). Only advantage I see is a *bling* walkman brand name sticker, 2.0MP camera and [really] the 512MB stick. You can onl
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You mean I gotta plug this in to one of them old telephone jacks?!?!
Everyone is getting in the game (Score:5, Informative)
The Nokia phone I think is expected to hit in time for summer, there goal was to have it out by beach time so that people would only have to bring one device with them when they beached it. We'll see how it goes though.
Re:Everyone is getting in the game (Score:2, Interesting)
Now, *that's* a feature I want in my cell phone-- A 360-degree rotating screen, to go along with my camera phone and useless blinking lights.
All the while, I still have trouble finding decent cell service for less then $29.99 a month.
I thought competition was supposed to drive down prices, not increase stupid gadgetry for the glitteratti
Re:Everyone is getting in the game (Score:2)
Re:Everyone is getting in the game (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Everyone is getting in the game (Score:2)
What about N-Gage? (Score:2)
All in one? (Score:2, Insightful)
On another note... haven't there been phones like this before? What's their claim to being the first?
http://tinyurl.com/6vq2z/ [tinyurl.com]
Re:All in one? (Score:5, Insightful)
1.
that's the point of all in one.
that being said, this thing is pretty lame featurewise. phones have had mp3 players for ages.
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
they're getting better, but saying that there's no way for you to connect the phone to the computer via usb, memory-card reader or bluetooth is just bogus.
if you need a phone at work i'm sure your employer can recommend a model for you that they allow(if you need one then there has to be a model. and there is, just open your eyes when shopping for a phone).
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
but the point was this: if your job demands a phone they can tell you what phone you can use at there.
but your real problem is that you only have 1 operator and that the operator has plans that make it impractical to buy a phone from anyone else than them. that has very little to do what phones manufacturers make or not as you're force fed certain models at pricing of their choice(with the plan, or you can pay almost the same price a
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
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Re:All in one? (Score:5, Funny)
The answer is obvious: One.
Re:All in one? (Score:5, Insightful)
And none of them do them well.
I either want a single device which does them all well, or my devices to do one thing and do that well. I would be quite content if my phone didn't try to offer me a bigger penis in between serving up music...
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
I know some people who think it works well enough for them, and it doesn't otherwise detract from the functionality of the iPod, so I think it's forgiveable.
Not trying to evangalize the iPod (it stands pretty well on its own), just trying to counter that point.
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
Why isn't yours?
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
Why no calendar? Because Outlook doesn't like talking standard formats.
But aside from that, your point still stands. I just want it to play my music though!
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
On Mac all you do is plug it in, insert the OS X CDs, and when you install OS X you tell it to install on the iPod, without formatting your iPod.
If you can do that with Windows (without formatting your iPod) and you have a 'boot from external disk' option in the BIOS, I don't know what would stop you. Except possibly the master boot record... I think Linux or BSD might be more lenient than Windows about that though.
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
RAM, hard disk, firmware, display, power, serial, and two CPUs.
If you mess with it's boot sector, how will it be able to boot?
That's why I mentioned the MBR; don't touch it, and don't add a boot sector. On OS X, the boot sector happens to be in firmware, and I think you can similarly configure Linux or BSD, though I haven't tried it. (OpenBIOS and LinuxBIOS come to mind)
Re:All in one? (Score:5, Interesting)
Now I assume you're at home or at work. Take a look around. Unless you're very rich and have a very sophisticated taste chances are that you have one or two things in your view that are what you'd call excellent. Could be your computer, your display, the hifi-280.1-80MW-Armageddon-stereo or perhaps the $800 armchair you're sitting on. But most things probably fit in the "good enough" category. You're desk is probably nothing special, but it's good enough. The $20 speakers? Good enough. The Ikea lamp? Good enough.
People always wonder why Apple is at 5% market share. And while there's a myriad of reasons and I don't want to oversimplify it, imho the most important reason is that Steve Jobs is one of those quality freaks I mentioned above who have the money, the time, the inner drive and a good enough (no pun intended =) taste to strive for excellence in everything they own and everything they do. Most of us don't.
Well seems like I got a bit off topic here. But to make the connection: Sony, Nokia, etc. realized that the iPod is an excellent player and it has a strong entry barrier (its market share and the ITMS) for other players that makes it hard for competitors even if they were superior and even more so if they're just good enough. So they do the next best thing. They take other devices where they have the network effects on their side (phones as in the article, handhelds, see the PSP or PDAs) and add a music player that is good enough. If it's really good enough many people won't bother to cough up another $300 with the exception of about 5%.
jm2 =)
WRONG (Score:2, Insightful)
off-topic: I need my phone to make phone calls. thats it.
ptpete
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
A VAIO (or similar) with built in camera, running Skype over WiFi (etc, etc) would be an all-in-one. Would you be happy with just the one? Of course not!
Therefore, the number of all-in-one devices is "as many as they can persuade you to buy" - Camera with extras, Phone with extras, MP3 player with extras, PDA with extras...
Re:All in one? (Score:4, Insightful)
'Single Point of Failure' comes to mind. I.e. it does everything for you and either dies or the battery runs out and your alone in the Wilderness of the Non-Conntected. Like those goofy cartoons from years ago that said things like, "The computers all were down today so we had to think." But more like, you do without the luxuries and have to borrow cell phones or find rapidly vanishing (in the UK anyway) public phones.
Or worse, all your stuff is on the phone and some weasel breaks in and copies it all and leaves you a message like "I'm Sorry Bitch"
Unconnected and lovin' it.
Re:All in one? (Score:4, Insightful)
Combining the functionality of a phone, camera, pda, and Walkman into one is certainly doable technically (many of the components are common - battery, screen, processor, radio transciever). The hard part will be keeping it comprehensible, and making each part work well. My Sony Clie has all but the phone, and I can tell you the software needs a lot of work.
I sure hope they don't stop reinventing this "convergence device" wheel until they get it right.
Re:All in one? (Score:2, Informative)
I've got an old Kycera 7135 that works well. Just drop in a 512GB SD card that you've copied MP3s to via a card reader and you're in business. Lately I've been using it to listen to podcasts pulled down by iPodder.
Re:All in one? (Score:2, Informative)
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Cheap marketing. It's sorta like those shamppos claiming to be the only one containing "HydroCare", and then when you read the label more carefully it says "HydroCare" is a tm of the corporation making exactly that shampoo. Thus the competitors *can* contain chemically exac
Re:All in one? (Score:2)
The teenies are telling me this is old news.. (Score:2, Interesting)
A simple trip to the local movie theatre and I am pounded with each and every latest teeny pop song each time a phone rings.
Hopefully these Walkman phones won't allow the tunes to be played through the phone speakers, if that's the case I refuse to leave the house outside school hours.
Re:The teenies are telling me this is old news.. (Score:2)
Text Input (Score:1)
isn't this a dupe? (Score:1)
Cell phone meets the Walkman: virtual karma (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Cell phone meets the Walkman: virtual karma (Score:3, Informative)
http://news.com.com/Photos+Cell+phone+meets+the+W
More Phone Stuff! (Score:5, Funny)
Phones that perform facial recognition.
Phones that take photos.
Phones that shoot small caliber rounds.
Phones that can be tracked by GPS.
Phones that can extend penis lengths.
Phones that can make water from wine.
Phones that introduce you to your new spouse.
Are there any phones that allow you to talk to someone separated by distances greater than you can shout?
Re:More Phone Stuff! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:More Phone Stuff! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:More Phone Stuff! (Score:2)
I don't need a phone to do that. Of course, the water is slightly yellow, warm and smells, but I can't see a phone improving on that any time soon!
I like my seperate devices (Score:3, Insightful)
Focus on making things better, making phone reception clearer, i don't need to listen to music using my phone, thats what my iPod is for.
Of course there's a trade off (Score:3, Informative)
Having more PDA and music functionality in my phone (my phone has radio but appears to need some crappy Nokia headset for it) would be a definate advantage to me.
Why duplicate? (Score:2)
Re:I like my seperate devices (Score:2)
Re:I like my seperate devices (Score:2)
Everytime Slashdot runs a story about a new cell phone, comments like this come up. I'm not going to argue about whether a phone should be a PDA/music player/whatever (I don't mind those extra features but YMMV), but when it comes to reception, the phones are already there.
I live in a sparsely populated Scandinavian country, and haven't had any coverage issues in years. If you can't get decent reception, complain to your operator. It's not the pho
Re:I like my seperate devices (Score:2)
Three years ago, I bought a smartphone that could also play mp3s. It takes SD-cards AND FOR THAT REASON ALONE it is still better than all of the flash based players out there. That's right, it's better at playing mp3s than most mp3 players. The only thing that gives some the edge is the large hard-drive storage.
My new phone? It has WiFi, a large full colour screen, SD-cards again. Does a better job of playing mp3s than ANY of the players out t
Sorry I Missed Your Call (Score:3, Funny)
ultimately we'll have to ask ourselves what the heck these things are actually for
Re:Sorry I Missed Your Call (Score:3, Insightful)
Walkman? (Score:5, Funny)
Cool (Score:1)
I wonder what other features they can stuff into a cel phone which could make it a more dangerous device to use while driving? DVD player? Dildo? Oh wait, a waterproof cel on vibrate can double as one.....
Re:Cool (Score:2)
THE HORROR!!!
Re:Cool (Score:2)
Other article (Score:1, Informative)
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1028&date=2
I can see the slogan now. (Score:2)
Nothing new (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nothing new (Score:2)
Looks like Sony will fuck it up. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Looks like Sony will fuck it up. (Score:2)
In that bizzarre parallel universe where MP3 is a Sony digital music format.
Congratulations Sony... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Congratulations Sony... (Score:2)
Re:Congratulations Sony... (Score:2)
N-Gage has Bluetooth. Yeah, it's a little bricky, but it fits in my pocket easily anyway.
Certainly the Sony may be smaller, but it's also years late to the party, not just a couple of months. In the mean time, Nokia has also produced new models with the same capabilities as the Sony (without much fanfare) and I expect that there will be even further near-term revelations in this field given the success of the iPod and portable music.
Seems like all Sony's announcing is that this phone has the "Walkman" mon
Re:Congratulations Sony... (Score:2)
Convergence Convergence Convergence! (Score:3, Insightful)
Most importantly the battery life kicks ass on this phone in both modes - I really think that this is the acid test for many - What good are feautures if there is no power to turn on the phone.
One day soon I will own a Phone / PDA / iPod / Camera (Still and Motion) with hopefully some GPS thrown in for good measure - Convergence is key - that or bigger pockets.
Re:Convergence Convergence Convergence! (Score:2)
We need more and more devices to continue to conceal our ever-expanding bellies.
The Sony Ericsson Z800 is the one I'm waiting for (Score:3, Interesting)
While the idea of a Walkman phone is cool, I'd rather have a clamshell phone -- if only because, with all the buttons on the inside, it's harder (or impossible) to accidentally answer or hang up the phone while it's in my pocket. So, the one I'm waiting for is the Sony Ericsson Z800 [engadget.com]. With Bluetooth, Infrared, MP3/AAC support, it has just about all I could ask for.
Still, I'm also waiting to see if/when it'll make Apple's list of iSync-compatible phones [apple.com] -- being able to sync with my Powerbook (as I do now with my Nokia 3650) is pretty handy. That, and I'm hoping that an unlocked version won't cost me an arm and a leg (I'm in the US on T-Mobile, fwiw).
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It would be rather surreal to accidently answer the phone. You'd have to time that pretty well.
Actually, with my current candybar-shaped phone (Nokia 3650), that's not as hard as you might think ;). It's just a matter of the phone ringing (in my pocket) and then accidentally pressing the "Answer" button against my keys or something in the process of pulling the phone from my pocket.
Hmmm (Score:2, Insightful)
uh huh, because it's not like I'd be expecting to receive calls with this phone thing...
V800 does this already.. (Score:5, Informative)
Granted the V800 is not "available" in America, but one can be snagged from eBay and unlocked/flashed. The same thing you're going to have to do with the W800 though.
The drawback to the V800 though is that the earphones connect through the T28 connector as there is no mini-headphone jack.
Re:V800 does this already.. (Score:3, Informative)
W800 and k750i are both GSM and "candy bar" style phones. They are also quite a bit smaller than the V/Z800.
K750 and W800 also have an external slot for the memory card, so you don't have to open up the battery compartment in order to get to the memory slot.
The biggest difference as far as MP3s go between W800 and V800 is that the W800 can be put into MP3 mode and then switch off the radio for the mobile network, thus gettin
How is this new? (Score:3, Interesting)
myke
Motorolla (Score:3, Informative)
it also comes with real player, so I play my mp3s or mp4/real player format movies in 320x240 resolution.
Not only that is the phone has stereo sound, hand writing recognition on the touch screen, a VGA resolution camera, bluetooth and full GSM world phone capabilities.
The downside is the USB1.1, USB2.0 would have been better.
The greatest part: The phone runs linux with the J2ME over top. Write your own apps in J2ME,
for example, I can SSH from my phone to my network and deal with anything while listening to my mp3s and taking phone calls.
I've been doing this since December, Although I had to order my phone from China, it is fully english and cost me just under 600 dollars.
So why is this new technology anyway?
We need a new generic name for these things (Score:2)
Or, more likely (in the US at least): "illegal general purpose information piracy device."
Damn you, SONY! (Score:2)
Panasonic Presents: "BooomBox Phone" (Score:3, Funny)
All I Want... (Score:2)
Treo 600/650 has had this capability for some time (Score:2, Interesting)
I think the Treo can take even larger SD cards, too.
There's no DRM that I'm aware of either.
Greg
Not even that new compared to Sony's existing line (Score:3, Interesting)
Woo. I recently had a MP3 playing smartphone for a few days myself - a Sendo X. Lovely phone, adequate MP3 player (there is an interface annoyance but the sound is fine), only problem is that is has a bug in it that makes it crap at reacquiring the network if you disconnect for any reason.
Pity...
"Please! Buy our phone and make memory sticks rel (Score:2)
"Pretty please?"
Looks like another attempt to try and get another non-standard storage format with a patent attached (anyone remember the "minidisc"?) accepted by a generally unimpressed consumer public.
-- Terry
And I just lost mine. (Score:2)
I hate this country.
$10 can be yours (Score:2)
Re:$10 can be yours (Score:2)
One suggestion for you would be to approach the wireless companies with the story that you need a business phone. They won't try to sell you all of this extra junk - they'll only give you what you say you need.
Good luck.
Re:$10 can be yours (Score:2)
Know what would sell me one of these phones? (Score:2)
I don't care if it's illegal (or inadmissable in court, whichever whereever). I don't want anyone to have any room to weasel out of anything.
Kyocera 7135 (Score:2)
Samsung Uproar (Score:2)
I can see it now (Score:2)
(Try to get that song out of your head - it's impossible. You'll need to be lobotomized first).
first "walkman branded" phone maybe... (Score:2)
Re:512MB Duo card included? (Score:2)
Considering most high-end phones cost $600 anyway, what's another $90 for half a GB?
Re:512MB Duo card included? (Score:2)
Re:bed reviews (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm still trying to figure out what sterile donkeys have to do with reviewing beds.
Re:Wow (Score:2)