Book 'Em, Dano 150
theodp writes "An Oregon library worker was arrested after selling at least $10,000 worth of stolen library books, CDs and videotapes online in the past six months. The thief, who scanned the Net to find items in demand and went to the library to check them out, was busted after an alert college president noticed his copy of the recently-published I am Charlotte Simmons, purchased on Amazon.com, sported a library receipt with a due date of Dec. 26. Earlier this month, it was reported that a VT man was arrested for stealing hundreds of books from college libraries and bookstores and selling them on Amazon, realizing more than $4,000. The library thefts are somewhat ironic, since Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos and the NY Times seemed to suggest there might be fewer books in libraries if the Authors Guild, who opposed Amazon's used book sales practices, had their way. Bezos also once told angry booksellers there's no reason why Amazon should have to collect sales taxes, arguing that Amazon gets no police services from other states."
Ebay is rampant with theves (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm in the military and every now and again do a search for Military kit, ebay is crawling with brand new stuff that could only have come from stores, so basicly someone is getting it issued, or taking a few bits home and then flogging them straight onto eBay to make a few extra dollars - it still amounts to the same thing.
Theft? In VT? Say it ain't so! (Score:4, Interesting)
Sales Tax (Score:5, Interesting)
ebay policy (Score:3, Interesting)
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Amazon knows that people hate sales tax (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'm sure that Amazon knows that being tax-free means more than it seems when it comes to consumer behavior.
Re:Ebay is rampant with theves (Score:4, Interesting)
just goods that do not belong to them, being sold with no intention of passing any of the sales price to the owner of the goods...
ok, IANAL, but surely most people realise that taking something that is not yours, selling it and keeping the money is stealing?
I agree that it may, in some people's eyes, be too small an infraction to be prosecuted for (one book, the odd army hat), but this does not mean it is not stealing.
Epsecially if it is done with the express purpose of selling for personal profit.
To be issued with an Army Hat and keep it at home for years, then think "Oh, they've probably written it off now, i don;t want it, I wonder if I can get a few $ for it on EBay?" is quite different from wandering into the Army Stores thinking "I wonder which items I can get most for on EBay? "
A.G. says Bezos misinterpreted them... (Score:2, Interesting)
the A.G. website has a slightly different story. [authorsguild.org] Apparently the A.G. did investigate government-sponsored royalties, but funding issues and higher-priority concerns for the A.G. have halted their efforts.
I find it interesting that the A.G. promotes such a system, described as "...a small government-funded royalty paid to authors of books borrowed from libraries." I mean, how could you determine who gets royalties without keeping track of how many times each item gets checked out? Wouldn't that raise serious privacy concerns, not to mention issues of fraud and checkout-padding for certain books?
And then who gets to put media in the library? I mean I could put together some pamphlets about linux or FOSS, and then give them to my local library to put on the shelf. If my friends and I check them out (for free) every few days, we can get money back, right?
What would we do with websites? People coming into the library are increasingly doing so to access the Internet (especially in lower-income areas where most people do not have access at home). If someone does research online and finds good information on Wikipedia.org, shouldn't Wikipedia get some money for that? Who is to say that Britannica deserves royalties for its 3year-old Encyclopedia but Wikipedia doesn't deserve them for its own upkeep of hardware and bandwidth?
If this happens I can see people forming new "free libraries" -- not free for borrowing, but free from any monitoring or recording of who checked out what, when. I thought up a couple of neat ways to do this a while back as a way to 'get around' terms in the PATRIOT Act -- generally including public/private keypairs and money held in escrow (in the event that the materials were not returned). It would be a shame if people felt forced to go out and implement something like this.
Re:A.G. says Bezos misinterpreted them... (Score:3, Interesting)
Libraries care about customer service. Maybe not as much as Borders and Barnes and Noble, but their mission is to serve a community, and every few years they need to get that community to vote on bond issues to pay for new and updated facilities, not to mention employee salaries. You bet your life that libraries keep track of what books are being checked out, what books seem to always be on hold, etc. It helps determine what books they need more copies of, and to anticipate demand for new releases.
That being said, it would be silly, for many of the reasons you mention, to attach royalties to books checked out of the library. Like music, only the most recent books and the best selling series are in enough demand to make the extra bookkeeping worth it. In fact, its only the music where I see this extra accounting being worthwhile, since it is trivial to check out a CD, rip it to MP3, and return it the next day.
Libraries also know that their customers are worried about the PATRIOT act and have other privacy concerns. Our local library now has a policy that customers are linked to books in the database for as short a period as possible - namely, for as long as I have the book checked out or a fine due on a late book. So, now you have a little extra incentive to pay those $.05 late fees.
Re:Ebay is rampant with theves (Score:3, Interesting)
Even though I tried to proved that I didn't check them out (from a library I never went to, during a time when I had lost my wallet). So I'd just take what I wanted, and return it later.
sure, I was stealing them, but I was returning what I stolen after I was done with it.
maybe I was in the wrong for doing that, but I felt I didn't have a choice, they wouldn't let me check anything out.
What really pisseed me off, was I used to get new books, maybe I read them once, or didn't want them, I'd give them to the library. Then I found out they sell all the donations they give, and use that money to buy new books.
How stupid is that? I give them a brand new book, they sell it for probably 1/4 or less of the price. Namely, Seattle Public librarys suck.
and no, I no longer use them. I just download the books i want to read in ebook format, and read them on my PDA.