'Sith' Already Found Online 788
ScentCone writes "Of course it was bound to happen, so now it's mostly a matter of discussing why Lucas does or does not deserve to make the proceeds, or whether people would or would not have gone to see it now that the usual path has been carved around the opening weekend box office." I've yet to find a blockbuster movie that isn't readily available on the net after it opens, but somehow this is still news. It's still usually worth shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
Revenge of the Nerds (Score:3, Funny)
Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:4, Interesting)
Y'know, I actually believe that had I seen a torrent it would have been *better* quality, sadly. Maybe I've just got used to DVD quality and stuff.
(Wakefield Cineworld, UK, please take note).
Oh, as a film, the first 2 hours sucked ass. The rest of it was cool. But that's a conversation for another thread
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Interesting)
This can happen to the most pristine of prints when put in the load end of a projector in bad need of maintenance/tuning/etc. And movies are prescreened by at least the projectionist (all) if not also the rest of the employees (blockbusters) before the first public screenings.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:4, Informative)
Well sorry, the first bit is - film tends to be delivered in 2000foot spools (which equates to about 20min of film) and in the olden days required the use of two projectors and the cue dots and all that - some places still use it, although its more for historical interest than anything - its a more interesting challenge for the projectionist anyway
These days as you say film is 'made up' into one collossal reel so all the projectionist then has to do is lace up the projector once and do a single startup.
No projector I have ever used has required a shutdown in the event of a racking problem (the film being out of line by x number of sproket holes as described in parent) as then all have a vertical adjustment on the gate (the specific part of the projector that passes the film in front of the bulb) varying from half a frame in either direction to a full frame in either direction. This of course means that theres at least a full frame of movement so any possible problems of this sort are easily rectified without requiring a shutdown - good job really as its about the most common problem out there - right up with focus being out
P.S. IAAP (I Am A Projectionist
Also, no cinema I have ever worked for has done a test screening of a print prior to showing it - hell, at least 30% of the time a new film would only show up just in time to be prepared for the first pay-for showing. Thats not to say that 'training shows' were never done which at the places I worked were literally excuses for the staff to watch the movie a bit early
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
"So just when the snooty droid and the pregnant princess have met with the fallen Jedi for the last time, that's when you'll catch a flash of Tyler's contribution to the film. Nobody knows they saw it, but they did."
"A nice big lightsabre."
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Informative)
And that in most cases doesn't affect sound (dolby surround is a tiny track on the left of the film read by a laser, and quite hard to scratch).
Anyway, you can report the film is damaged by using the attached form, and the film will be substituted via UPS / or it will be substituted for the next theatre (at least, if it is a b
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Hell even Jesus himself wanted the free barn over the costly Inn to make his appearance to the world.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Funny)
True; if you watch it on your home computer, you won't be surrounded by people dressed as Imperial Storm troopers, Amidala, young lord Vader, etc. Uh, and this is a bad thing because... ?
At the very least, I would wait a few days so those people who camped out in line for a month (and in costume) are long gone from the theatre.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah I saw that guy, Uhg!
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean the young bastards with the laser pointers and cell phones? Or the Tall Guy sitting in front of you? Or the uncomfortable seats? Or the fact that you can't pause the movie?
Yeah. You're right. My computer isn't like that.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
That would be me. I can come over and sit in front of your computer if you like, but you have to buy the popcorn.
YLFIRe:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Funny)
Of course if you download the copy doing the rounds, you'll probably get all of the above lovingly encoded into your home viewing experience.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Insightful)
With the pop-corn (covered with unsalted grease - no more butter here) and a bottle of water, I'll end up paying the price of a DVD. Just to see the movie once. And no, it's not a discount cinema -- but however big and American it wants to be, it'll be overcrowded and not as comfy as my house.
I also want to point out that I'll be seeing the movie in FRENCH, because 1) my friends prefer it this way (stupid, I know) 2) it's hard to find a cinema around here that has the original English version, unless I'm willing to go downtown and cope with the traffic jams (I'm in Montreal).
As for pausing the movie, get an attention span.
Because I feel like taking a piss, I am lacking attention span? What about the luxury of pausing the movie for whatever reason I want? Can I do that without having some moron telling me to get an attention span? Thank you very much.
The movies aren't cheap, the popcorn/candies/beverage cost way too much, then you get the extra ads in the hope you go get more of the expensive stuff, then you get 15 minutes of preview, then you get to see the movie. I don't see any reason to pay for that, unless your TV realy sucks. Or unless you're doing it for your kids or someone else -- like I do.
I voted "my own couch" in the poll, if you're wondering... There just is no place like 127.0.0.1
What ever happened to intermissions? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have to agree. Those Lord of the Rings movies were just too much. You couldn't drink your beverage until half way through the show if you wanted a hope of not missing part of the show for a trip to the can.
In the old days movies had intermissions. Live shows still do. What happened to those?
Re:What ever happened to intermissions? (Score:4, Funny)
That's what the Arwen scenes were for.
Re:What ever happened to intermissions? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
It seems like you could a modern cinema, where there is no such thing as uncomfortable seats and a tall guy in front won't even touch your line of sight.
It seems like you could the missing word. Design? Build? Finance? Drive 500 miles to? Now, I'm going to lie awake all night wondering what it was.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:2, Funny)
I use Windows I see the dark side everyday.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, the entire film itself was made on a computer. (OK, two computers)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
You've all heard how George Lucas delayed production on the prequels because technology couldn't adequately produce the special effects he wanted.
The real reason for the decades-long gap in films is that Lucasfilm had been using computers since the early 1980s for the digital effects, and the computers only finished rendering frames fairly recently. Digital rendering takes time on a bunch of 4.77 MHz machines.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Funny)
What if I beat my head against the table a few times and then mailed George Lucas $7?
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Informative)
You can find it from various newsgroups listed here http://www.newzbin.com/search/query/p/?q=episode&
Enjoy.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Informative)
The only problem is the counter at the top that runs through the whole film.
I haven't watched it, just a few samples here and there, as I do plan on going to see it saturday with my g/f and if I watch it before then, I dont "get any" for a long time.
If Lucas has anything to complain about, he needs to look into his chain of distribution as this could only have come from inside somewhere.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Informative)
From what I'm told, there is a workprint edition floating around the net. It may or not be before special effects have been added, I'm unsure. But such an edition isn't going to be the crappy poor sound some guy with a cam corder edition. Judging from the file sizes I see floating about we are looking at DVD ep mode, which well franky isn't all that great. But on par with VCDs that are still popular.
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Go see it in theaters (Score:5, Interesting)
Not to mention if you have a media pc (i.e. XP Media Center, MythTV, modded Xbox with XBMC etc.) you could play directly to the TV off the hard drive.
Downloaded of the net onto a computer does not mean you have to watch it on a computer.
Get real (Score:5, Interesting)
They are just being greedy for the small amount of money they might be losing. The lawyers likely take far more than that amount. The path to transhumanism won't require much money anyway. And that is what counts.
Re:Get real (Score:2)
Re:Get real (Score:5, Insightful)
If they dont do anything about it, it will happen more often, and in a more accessible way. Sure they can never eliminate the sharing of their movies, but they can ensure that the punishment is painful enough that the common citizen cannot easily get at it.
If you dont believe me, just look at Napster. I had totally computer illiterate friends who were able to use Napster to get free music. After that was shut down, they simply dont know how to use the other more complicated file sharing systems. (Not to mention they are aware that downloading is illegal now, so some stay away for that reason alone.) Shutting down Napster didn't stop music sharing, but it did curb it immensely and stop other Napster competitors from popping up and making it even easier.
So not all legal battles are immediately profitable, but the money spent can be an investment to prevent future infringement.
-David
Re:Get real (Score:3, Informative)
The Napster "reform" caused a emotional setback but with more internet users and much better connections there is still more music sharing now than in 1999 or whenever napster was crushed.
Getting on to the meat of this argument... Each individual case that the media industry persues costs them mone
I have to agree... (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously. Somebody showed me the bootleg of Hitchiker's Guide the other day, and I was really sorry I saw it that way. I wasn't planning to see it, but I ended up enjoying it immensely; the only problem was that the low quality of the rip was a big distraction.
But come on, a movie like Star Wars was made to be seen on the big screen, and most of the public knows that.
Re:Get real (Score:3, Informative)
I just got back from a bar where I was chatting to a girl (ie not a computer geek), and she brought up the topic of bittorrent. So the fact that a generic young (20ish) person mentioned it a bar means it's only a matter of time before the general populace cottons on to bittorents. IMHO.
Re:Get real (Score:3, Interesting)
>video files in various states of compression (almost all lossy).
Well what did you expect, raw HD footage?
Re:Get real (Score:3, Interesting)
Just as I'm likely to not believe any numbers the BSA/MPAA/RIAA produce, I sure don't just take the word of some random guy on
Re:Get real (Score:5, Interesting)
> very small.
It is hard to tell in general it can be even the opposite... Meaning BT makes people to see more movies. I can explain it like this:
Disclimer: keep in mind that I am not about piracy and I prefer to go to theater and watch something good instead of watching shitty CAM rip of stupid movie.
*But*
In my country (Poland, but I can imagine it is the same somwhere else) some titles are not distributed at all - take Korean or Japanese movies - I find them great but most of them does not make it to cinemas or even DVD distribution here. So my only chance to actually watch them is either go to some country where it is aviable or get it via BT. So guess what I do?
It is not the matter of people wanting to watch stuff on computer (actually I have proper sound system and beam projector to wall), it is not the matter of quality either - it is a matter of old *distribution* methods/channels - they simply do not fit no more - I can imagine a service where you can download movie for $5. Watch it once (I would even agree on DRM here, most of the people also - things with movies are different than f.e. audio - when you go to cinema you pay for the ticket and watch it once - so the analogy with DRM would be painless) and be satisfied - also it would speed up the distribution.
Right now I have to wait till the title gets published in my region - why? I have to wait till the title gets translation - why? I don't need translation I know english. I have to wait till the title gets marketed locally - why? I don't need marketing - I already know that I want to watch it.
So traditional distribution sucks and that is why BT is so popular among saavy users - traditional model does not fit us.
> Most people simply don't even know what
> bittorrent is.
So what? They don't need to - they know what P2P is - place where you can get fresh and rare stuff. They don't care if it is BT, or Emule or Kazaa or whatever - they just click and if it works it is OK for them.
Also do you know that BT is one of biggest traffic generators in Internet?
(...)
> I have better things to do with my time
> than wander through various video files in
> various states of compression (almost all
> lossy).
Also you are far from reality here. Take a look:
http://trackerwww.prq.to/liveindex.php?cat=19 [trackerwww.prq.to]
All DVD rips (looseless) titles. Just click them and get it over your DSL. No need to go to the store or rental anymore. And the choice there is comparable to small rental/store.
> They are just being greedy for the small
> amount of money they might be losing.
Money is not the point here - as you have stated there is no comparsion between watching movie at home or going to cinema. It is beetween getting movie from rental (I don't know anybody that actually buys DVD) and getting it from BT - BT is for some people more convinient, not only (can be) money counts here. Also if BT is only way for me to get movie - where is money in this situation? Either I get it for free or I don't get it at all...
People who distribute and benefit from movies should notice that.
Re:Get real (Score:3, Insightful)
In my country (Poland, but I can imagine it is the same somwhere else) some titles are not distributed at all -
For the case for BitTorrent downloads, consider too that in nations with severe cultural controls (China, Saudi Arabia, et al), not only would most movies have to be heavily censored for whatever ruling class is in place (don't want any dangerous ideas getting around), if they're actually imported at all.
Now say user "X" watches a movie that his or her government
Story posted by MPAA/RIAA member TIME WARNER (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Story posted by MPAA/RIAA member TIME WARNER (Score:5, Funny)
Are you suggesting IT'S A TRAP?
Cam-rips are usually unwatchable (Score:5, Insightful)
But from the number of people I've heard are downloading it, it seems pretty popular -- I wonder if the MPAA is watching them...
Re:Cam-rips are usually unwatchable (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cam-rips are usually unwatchable (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Cam-rips are usually unwatchable (Score:3, Informative)
Not A Cam Rip (Score:5, Informative)
1) The quality will be better than a cam.
2) Workprints are usually only available to those within the industry which means someone close to the studio leaked this out.
Workprints are usually pretty hard to get, hence why you don't hear about them in the leaked movie news very often.
All said, though, go see it in the theatre. I went to the 12:01 showing last night and it was awesome. Truly awesome.
'Shit' found online? (Score:4, Funny)
Not really surprising to me... (Score:3, Funny)
After reading the script, I'd say the movie itself is fuzzy with garbled writing.
Sadly, since I don't use BitTorrent with much success and instead rely on eMule/aMule, what copies I get will likely take two weeks to finish downloading and be in Spanish with German subtitles. Oddly, this will probably be easier to follow anyhow.
Only 16k so far? (Score:2)
News? (Score:2, Insightful)
News? Yeah right. (Score:4, Insightful)
This isn't news, it's thinly veiled marketing.
Re:News? Yeah right. (Score:5, Funny)
Me, myself... I got two bags of M&Ms. Jedi Mix and Darth mix. I put them in two seperate bowls. Then I mixed them. Stunning Jedi battles did not ensue.
So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems to me just like the MPAA pumping the press to make it look like a huge deal. It's not.
Do they buy what they download, or not? (Score:3, Funny)
Slashdot Citizen! Do not oppose the Group Think that P2P is used for 'TEST DRIVING' content, and that EVERYONE buys what they download! And that if Hollywood/MPAA only produced better stuff, we'd...buy...more of...
Wait...I thought we said we bought everything we downloaded?
Aaaaaaa! [head implodes]
Re:So what? (Score:3, Interesting)
Reason for downloading and watching it? Just wanted to see the movie asap.
Captain Obvious to the rescue.. (Score:2, Funny)
Yes, yes it certainly is worth.
Lucas might be peeved... (Score:3, Interesting)
Considering that it has the time-code on the bottom, I'd imagine it's uniquely coded so that Lucas knows exactly who leaked it.
And no, I haven't downloaded it, although my eleven year old will probably try and "whine" his way into it.
Re:Lucas might be peeved... (Score:5, Informative)
I will. It's at http://www.piratebay.org./ [www.piratebay.org]
Re:Lucas might be peeved... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Lucas might be peeved... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Lucas might be peeved... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Lucas might be peeved... (Score:4, Informative)
Bit-torrent New? (Score:2)
if I remember correctly bittorrent was created in 2000 or 2001 which to me is not that new.
Quality! (Score:2)
Been online for at least a week (Score:2)
Predicted on Fark (Score:3, Funny)
On a FARK thread here [fark.com]
Saw it at the midnight showing last night (Score:2)
That's absurd! (Score:3, Funny)
Also, I'm using the gnutella network, which is less dishonest than bitorrent because it is slower.
That's sarcasm, thx.
Proceeds... (Score:3, Funny)
Let me be the first to say that I think Lucus should make a cut of the proceeds from P2P downloads. In fact, I'll send him 10% of what I paid to download it on BitTorrent. What's your address, George?
Both sides need to get a grip. (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know which is funnier:
I'm tired of both sides taking absolutely ridiculous, unsupportable positions...
Re:Both sides need to get a grip. (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course BitTorrent is "perfectly legitimate." Are you trying to say that HTTP and FTP aren't legitimate because they can be used to transfer illegal copies of things? Is the US mail system not legitimate because you could mail someone a DVD-R of Star Wars?
Nobody's claiming that BitTorrent isn't used for illegal things (I hope), but that doesn't mean that it's not "perfectly legitimate."
Well if you want to be a stickler that way (Score:5, Insightful)
In BT's case it's quite clear to see that it has very,v ery widesperad legitimate use. If you are getting a Linux distro, it's hard not to get it via torrent these days. Whenever any download gets slashdotted, someone throws up a torrent and people come in droves (I've done over 5mbytes/second seeding those, that's about a DS-3's worth of bandwidth). Or go to 3dgamers.com and download something. They do have some direct download servers, but the method they push is Bittorrent.
You can argue till you are blue in the face about how much of it is legal vs illegal, point is it wasn't created for the intent of breaking the law and there is a substanital amount of non-infringing use. That's why it's legit.
Re:Both sides need to get a grip. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Both sides need to get a grip. (Score:5, Informative)
Just FYI: The movie theatre keeps 5% to 10% (yes, percent, not a flat fee) of each ticket sold for first run movies; the rest is the ticket price goes straight to the studio producing the movie. Furthermore, the ticket prices and percentages are negotiated (dictated?) by the distributors, not the theatre. So when it costs $10 for a ticket, it's because the owners/managers of the theatre negotiated DOWN to that from what the distributors initially demanded. The management wants LOW ticket prices to convince you to come in and still ahve money left over to buy concessions; it's the distributing studios who want to pillage you for the high ticket price. At 5%, the profit on a $10 ticket is 50 cents and on a $12 ticket it's only 60 cents. Who cares about that kind of money? The theatre (a big building with a lot of expensive sound and projection equipment) doesn't have any other way to turn a buck other than to hit you up for some inflated concessions.
Re:Both sides need to get a grip. (Score:3, Interesting)
"but somehow this is still news" ???? (Score:3, Informative)
Well, for the love of god, stop treating it like news.
Post something else. Shess.
My Naive Boss (Score:4, Funny)
NO SPOILERS! (Score:5, Funny)
Stop! No spoilers! I haven't seen it yet!
Re:NO SPOILERS! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah! If I wanted to know what happened in the end, I'd have watched the sequels first!
I can top that. (Score:4, Funny)
We're still punching him as I type.
Re:My Naive Boss (Score:5, Insightful)
Already?! (Score:4, Insightful)
I left for Japan on Wednesday and now I don't get to see it until I get back (in two weeks). If I wanted to download it, I would... but frankly, and I think many people will agree with me on this point, I don't want to see it until I can see it in its full glory. Seeing it compressed and trashed and tiny isn't the way to see it the first time.
Now if I enjoyed it, I might download it and keep it until the DVD is released... then I'll buy he DVD when it comes out.
I wish the jackasses at the MPAA would just figure it out too.
Definitely see it on the big screen (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, after seeing it on the big screen I've got noproblem with going and downloading it to watch it again (although I've sheepishly got ot admit that I've seen it in the cinema twice - once at the midnight screening (which we Aussies got before the U.S. - go time zones!) and once with my partner.)
I really loved [illuminatingscience.org] the movie, and definitely think it was worth it - a truly memorable conclusion to the Star Wars saga.
Bothan death toll mounts... (Score:3, Funny)
Noooo...! (Score:3, Funny)
Who cares about garbld sound? (Score:5, Funny)
BARF!
Re:Who cares about garbld sound? (Score:3, Interesting)
Exactly! (Score:3, Insightful)
Lucas deserves the proceeds? (Score:5, Insightful)
Was that remark based on the fact that people are mad at Lucas because they didn't like the last 2 movies?
Or is it that people really dont think any creator deserves proceeds from their work? I'm not talking fair use or anything like that - I understand those arguments - they don't seem relevant here.
CowboyNeal's reasoning? (Score:3, Insightful)
CowboyNeal: It's still usually worth shelling out the cash to see a version that isn't fuzzy with garbled sound, though.
I'm not trying to be a shill for the movie industry here or anything, but whatever happened to "it's still usually worth shelling out the cash so that the people that worked on the movie get the money that they're owed?" You're not supposed to pay for stuff you watch because it's higher quality, you're supposed to pay for it because it's the right thing to do.
The movie industry... (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyway for a flick like this one I'd much rather find a THX equipped movie with a wide screen and pay the price of a ticket than watch it with my kids in the family room on the boob tube. (We usually sneek our own M&M's in rather than get ripped off at the concession stand!)
Re:Why Lucas does not deserve the proceeds (Score:3, Insightful)
PARENT HAS SPOILERS (Score:4, Informative)