Happy 300th Birthday Benjamin Franklin 277
Guinnessy writes "Benjamin Franklin was born on 17 January 1706 in Boston, Massachusetts. Franklin was a man of diverse talents: publisher, inventor, ambassador, politician, wit with some human frailities says NPR. In Physics Today, Philip Krider presents Franklin's work on electricity and the development of the lightning rod, work whose fame helped Franklin obtain aid from the French against the British. In the same magazine, Joost Mertens considers Franklin's explorations of the calming effects of oil on water. Those investigations, it turns out, had a less than calming effect on Dutch scholars. Philadelphia is planning a series of events celebratng Franklin's life throughtout the year."
get your wallets out... (Score:4, Funny)
-Sj53
Re:get your wallets out... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroes (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:5, Insightful)
And the thought that in modern times he'd be locked up under the PATRIOT act is truly sad...
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:5, Insightful)
Flamebait? No. It's the truth.
He first agitated for, and then actively participated in, the armed overthrow of the government, using an army of unlawful combatants backed by a rouge state.
Franklin, along with all the great founders of the United States of America, was undoubtedly guilty of high treason. Of course, as Shakespeare observed, if it prospers none dare call it treason; so Franklin's a hero. Certainly had things gone a little differently there would today be celebrations in the honour of the brave patriot Benedict Arnold.
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:3, Funny)
Hmm, maybe we could hook up a turbine up to him and generate some electricity. That would be properly honoring Franklin's inventive spirit.
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2)
You and your citation's author gloss over th
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2)
Revolution is legal? Good God man, this has nothing to do with legality but rather what is right at the right time. While I doubt Franklin would support the wiretaps I don't think that the grounds of legality would have stopped him in an action he felt was correct in a certain set of circumstances.
That's the truth behind why most people
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:4, Insightful)
He first agitated for, and then actively participated in, the armed overthrow of the government, using an army of unlawful combatants backed by a rouge state.
Oh, you mean that treason is part of the Patriot act and not the constitution?
Let's not be foolish about this. Stop trying to pin this on the Patriot act, it's one of the oldest laws on the books. As for speaking out against the government, it happens everyday. I don't see people being locked away for it.
What is sad here is that I'll probably get labled as troll when the truth is Franklin would agree with me even if he supported a current day revolution. Instead the parent post got modded as insightful for simply invoking the name of an unpopular law instead of being based on fact.
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:5, Insightful)
My favorite quote of his, and quite fitting.
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, admitedly, people flying hijacked airplanes into buildings is less of a threat to your security than the ones Franklin faced (An army under the control of the current government looking to hang you personally); and I'd argue the threats to his freedom, pre-revolt, were lesser than the threats to ours today. So I'd agree we need a different world view; the Franklin quote is much, much, more relevant today than it was in his time.
The wiretapping certainly isn't about listening to Bin Laden's telephone
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2)
Thanks -- but soldiers didn't light that flame (Score:2)
They then found themselves with a bunch of veteran soldiers coming home having learned from their American comrades the importance of words like 'liberte', 'egalite' and 'fraternite'. Whoops.
To suggest that the French revolution began because of returning soldiers who'd seen it all in America would be a mistake. You want that model,
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Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2, Insightful)
Same difference.
Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:2)
Well, the government he was born under would've hanged him if they could. So being locked up in prison actually shows some progress.
"Gentleman, we must all hang together, or we will surely all hang seperately." B. Franklin
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Just to be clear, it was the French royalty that he dealt with... a royalty that had few fans amongst the general French population.
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Re:Benjamin Franklin, the truest of American Heroe (Score:3, Insightful)
Remember this one thing as long as you can: you have a duty to your fellow man, not to your government. If government is hurting you, you owe them treason.
Wish you were here (Score:5, Interesting)
Some great quotes from Poor Richard's Almanack:
He that falls in love with himself will have no rivals.
Setting too good an example is a kind of slander seldom forgiven.
Experience keeps a dear school, yet fools will learn in no other.
Write with the learned, pronounce with the vulgar.
Necessity never made a good bargain.
Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.
Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of.
If your Riches are yours, why don't you take them with you to t'other World?
A good conscience is a continual Christmas.
God heals, and the doctor takes the fee.
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.
Laws too gentle are seldom obeyed; too severe, seldom executed.
If you'd know the value of money, go and borrow some.
When befriended, remember it. When you befriend, forget it.
My favorite quote (Score:2)
Which is why I never visit my family for too long.
Re:Wish you were here (Score:2)
Those almanacs were great money makers (Score:2)
The result is that his stuff is fun, basically, instead of coming across as prating moralism from a stuffed shirt.
The cont
Re:Wish you were here (Score:5, Interesting)
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.
A life of leisure and a life of laziness are two things. There will be sleeping enough in the grave.
A place for everything, everything in its place.
A penny saved is a penny earned.
At twenty years of age the will reigns; at thirty, the wit; and at forty, the judgment.
Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; enemy to none.
Keep your eyes wide open before marriage, half shut afterwards.
Ben Franklin's Virtue Number 12, revised (Score:5, Funny)
And certainly NEVER do it in front of a Web cam.
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It's not really his 300th birthday (Score:5, Funny)
- A Message From The President Of Google Groupies
Re:It's not really his 300th birthday (Score:2)
Google makes a poor Towne Cryer, not to mention it is global in scope and I doubt that many people outside the United States would be interested in the tricentennary on Franklin's birth, though they should, given his contributions to science and diplomacy.
Re:It's not really his 300th birthday (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:It's not really his 300th birthday (Score:2, Interesting)
However, he made google's list.
Re:It's not really his 300th birthday (Score:2)
In 1752 there was an adjustment of 11 (or maybe 12 days) when they standardized the calendar.
Geo. Washington made a big deal of it and celebrated his birthday 11 days later, but then he was of a rigid military mind. Ben was more of a "Renaissance man" and wasn't nearly as anal.Church and State (Score:2, Interesting)
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Re:Church and State (Score:3, Informative)
Therefore, since the power of the Church grants eternal things, and is exercised only by the ministry of the Word, it does not interfere with civil government; no more than the art of singing interferes with civil government . For civil go
I'll drink to that ! (Score:3, Interesting)
Wait, we have a birthday post for Franklin (Score:3, Informative)
Refused Patent (Score:3, Informative)
Information didn't want to be free then, either (Score:3, Informative)
Lest anyone suddenly get the idea that Ben Franklin was an early "information wants to be free" sort of guy, don't forget that the only way he was able, in his early forties, to "retire" from the daily grind and turn his attention towards science, diplomacy, and nation-building was because he made himself relatively wealthy
I disagree. (Score:2)
In my opinion, what he did was more akin to selling communications hardware today -- he was facilitating exchange of ideas, not setti
Re:I disagree. (Score:2)
Um, you can't get wealthy by providing services at cost, so he WAS charging more than the cost of making copies. More than he needed to in order to live just like everyone else. Enough more that be became VERY wealthy.
(I don't think that this was a bad thing, but it seems to me to demonstrate that the cost of making the copies isn't part of th
Re:I disagree. (Score:2)
Benjamin Franklin made his money by providing the service of making copies, not by holding the monopoly to creative works -- if he cared about making money that way, he would have patented his inventions. He would also have gone after any cases of copyright infringment. Now, I've ne
It was all about the Benjamins (heh!) (Score:2)
He started setting up other publising houses, and taking percentages of those shops' revenue expressly to make money, not to "get his ideas out." His own writings (not his essential political stuff, later in life) included what he thought would sell. He wasn't getting paid to copy his own work, he was creating work so that he could sell it. He wrote sonnets, produced his famousl
Re:Refused Patent (Score:3, Informative)
- Robin
Re:Refused Patent (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Refused Patent (Score:2)
Please review http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml [gnu.org]
A Ben-Related Search Engine (Score:2, Informative)
http://ben.clusty.com/ [clusty.com]
Has a neat timeline of his accomplishments and has resources for teachers and students.
Such a great guy! (Score:5, Insightful)
(I still can't believe he didn't win that "greatest American" contest the History Channel ran a while back...)
Re:Such a great guy! (Score:2)
Re:Such a great guy! (Score:2)
Oh My Gawd. Reagan?? (Score:2)
What are we come to? Even if you believed wholeheartedly in everything Reagan stood for, there's no way you could make an argument that he was anything like the epochal figure Ben Franklin was for more than one area of our national life.
I guess Reagan was at least known as a minor actor (and the McCarthyist head of the Screen Actor's Guild), so he did at least have one other mark by his name. Next to "First person to map the gulf currents
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Re:Such a great guy! (Score:2)
Perhaps because he disowned his only son and all but abandoned his wife prefering to flirt with French noblewomen?
Franklin certainly had many personal flaws, for all his greatness. I always felt John Adams was a overlooked man of greatness. He also had the personal integrity to back up his public statements (unlike Jefferson and Franklin).
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Coffin size? (Score:4, Insightful)
Excellent Biography -- not the best seller (Score:2)
The book spends its preface on Franklin's mid-career appearance for a sort of intellectual pillory in "the cockpit" in London. The sort of public roasting one got from the establishment powers there was accepted to be the dishing of a person's public career. For Franklin that supposed disaster was a turning point; he'd been desperately trying to get the London establishment to understand the poi
Interesting quote. (Score:5, Interesting)
Something I got from the website www.politicalcompass.org/:
Q:
Which founding father said of the proposed American Constitution This is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism
A:
Benjamin Franklin in a speech to delegates to the US Constitutional Convention prior to the final vote.
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Full Quote (Score:2, Informative)
From wikiquote [wikiquote.org]
In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, -- if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapa
Re:Full Quote (Score:2)
sigh. We're almost there.
Franklin on Older Women (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Franklin on Older Women (Score:2)
Are you kidding? He was notorious in France (Score:3, Informative)
The letters back and forth with his various amours aren't explicit, but Ben was no prude, not by a mile, at any point in his life. (You're right that he was, er, active as a young man; he visited "houses of ill repute" in England.)
For that matter he married in a relatively informal way -- Deborah Reid and he sort of moved in together and presented it as a marriage, and so it was accepted as
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Franklin was also a bit the ladies man.
Scientist, Geek, Statesman, Politician, Abolitionist and a Player too. Is there anything not to love about good ol' Ben Franklin? :)
Re:Franklin on Older Women (Score:3, Funny)
And cleverly said, too -- "Why Elizabeth, you are every bit as attractive as a much younger woman, just as soon as I put this giant basket over the top half of your body and extinguish all the lights
timothy
Calendar differences? (Score:2)
Was Ben Franklin a Radical Faerie (Score:2)
He has the earmarks of a Radical Faerie [radfae.org].
More NPR Coverage (Score:3, Informative)
The podcast:l [sciencefriday.com]
http://www.sciencefriday.com/audio/scifriaudio.xm
The MP3:0 11325.mp3 [libsyn.com]
http://libsyn.com/media/sciencefriday/scifri-2006
True Genius (Score:2)
He was so advanced and ahead of his time on so many aspects of our human experience that conluding that he was a mere mortal is difficult.
Happy Birthday Ben!
Lighting rod? Bah ... (Score:2)
The guy was the MacGyver of his time. Imagine what he could've done with stuff like duct tape, gasoline or a Chevy small block 350.
Re:Lighting rod? Bah ... (Score:2)
He'd probably be more like this guy [redgreen.com]
Dear god no! (Score:2)
Time to get my shotgun and LP's to kill zombie Franklin.
Write a book (Score:2)
Heft a "Poor Richards" in Celebration (Score:2, Informative)
A number of US brewpubs are serving [poorrichardsale.com] their own batches of Poor Richard's which was formulated to the researched preferences of Bejamin Franklin
FWIW: its an "Open Recipe" [beertown.org] beer.
(mmmmmm, beeer)
Use of "Anonymous" Editorial His Greatest Gift (Score:2)
Re:Use of "Anonymous" Editorial His Greatest Gift (Score:2)
Would he be moderated up?
Re:Use of "Anonymous" Editorial His Greatest Gift (Score:2)
By the way, it's still possible to publish anonymously. It's illegal to slander, anonymously or not, which was true then as it is now.
Slashdot readers should worship the guy! (Score:5, Funny)
Just you remember (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Just you remember (Score:2)
Left off the most impotant event (Score:2)
Enjoy drinking a beer that is close to what Ben would have drunk.
Our form of government (Score:2, Interesting)
Unfortunately, we have not, we have decended into a democracy, which Madison called, "the most vile form of government".
Do yourself a favor: look into the difference.
He is one of the three men I admire most (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"with" has an H (Score:2)
You should notice that "wit" is part of his list of talents. There are other problems with the sentence, and it could certainly be better phrased, but the writer did not omit a letter in the word "wit". I think it would read better if it were as such:
Except that (Score:2)
Re:"with" has an H (Score:2)
Also, NPR doesn't say anything. How's this for a rewrite:
Franklin was a man of diverse talents, as evidenced by his success as: publisher, inventor, ambassador, politician. He possessed great wit with some human frailities.
Re:Franklin Would Have Understood (Score:2)
2. The wiretapping argument is not about foreign intelligence, it is about domestic intelligence
3. FISA warrants can be obtained retroactively so arguing there may be no time is idiotic
4. Will you be as in favour as unfettered presidential power once a democrat is in power or are you just a partisan apologist hack with no principles ?
5. Ok, I admit
Re:For a country that has a history of discriminat (Score:2)
Find me a country without this kind of background.
Re:For a country that has a history of discriminat (Score:2)
Seriously, Europe only doesn't have a history of slavery since the fall of rome because we chose instead to support slavery (of a far more barbaric sort than the Romans ever practiced) somewhere else - ie. America.
If the US has a history of blood, torture, and racial slavery it's because we, the European colonialists, took it there, and because the Americans didn't abolish it, oh, and lets not forget the East African tribes happily selling each other into slavery in order t
Re:For a country that has a history of discriminat (Score:2)
What's the saying? Arbeit Macht Frei? So much for Europe not having a history of slavery since the fall of rome.
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Re:The best part (Score:2)
Which has Franklin spinning in his grave.
Gotta say, though, I love the Franklin Institute. Loved it as a kid, love it as an adult.
Re:Give Franklin his coin back! (Score:3, Funny)
Jello Biafra is on a coin now? Wow, things are getting pretty liberal.
Re:Best Quote (Score:2)
There has been an increase in the effectiveness of arms, but this has disproportionatly affected the government. This means it is much more important than ever that we not surrender our freedoms, because it's going to be that much harder to get them back.