


Former President Gerald Ford Dead at 93 367
Rancid Altoid was one of a large number of readers to tell us that "Former U.S. President Gerald Ford, who was swept into office after the Watergate scandal and later pardoned Richard Nixon, died at age 93, his widow said on Tuesday."
Cnn does it best (Score:3, Interesting)
He was pretty interesting! I didn't realize he was a Michigan football player who turned down the NFL to go into Yale law!
Not sure I agree with the Nixon pardoning but it did get the messiness behind us. However, it allows presidents to seem to operate with out regard to legality (ie, current war crimes, etc...)
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I am very saddened to read of this. I found a little more pertinent info here [wikipedia.org], a much less biased source. I am planning on travelling to DC to pay my respects. He was quite a man.
Re:Cnn does it best (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Cnn does it best (Score:4, Interesting)
There's your bias right there. Honest? That's completely laughable. Best for the country? Pah-lease.
Ford is a man who let a crook go free for the benefit of the Republican party. Just imagine Nixon, a dirty Republican, and 4-5 years of a trial where everyone knew he had broken the law. Reagan would have never made it into office in a political climate like that. And all of Nixon's cronies such as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush Sr, would have had their careers ruined.
No, Ford's actions were for the benefit of the only person who elected him to the position of President of the United States: Richard Nixon.
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http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_co ntent&task=view&id=975&Itemid=135 [chris-floyd.com]
http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/12/gaw-in-act ion.html [blogspot.com]
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Re:Cnn does it best (Score:5, Insightful)
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Considering what a joke the NFL was in the 30's, that's not as big a surprise move as you might think.
-Eric
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Re:Cnn does it best (Score:5, Informative)
I know /. skews young, so it's possible you may not remember Reagan getting shot.
That's the thing: unlike Ford, he actually got shot, as did Brady and a Secret Service guy, Tim McCarthy. Missed killing Reagan by about an inch. We had to wait in suspense to see if he would survive or not. So, yeah, that stands out in people's memories. (I was 11 when it happened.)
Re:Squeaky Fromme - a Manson Cult member one attem (Score:3, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sipple [wikipedia.org]
Backroom negotiated pardon? (Score:3, Insightful)
I always wondered if Nixon's resignation was a negotiated deal with other members of the Republican part, with the pardon being part of the deal.
Messiness in front, though (Score:2, Insightful)
Instead, we came to a near constitutional crisis because a President cheated on his wife. It gave a free pass to presidents for generations to co
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Really, and what "Lawlessness" is that, and how does it relate to what Nixon did? Are you acusing GW Bush of rigging the elections, and if so
Re:Messiness in front, though (Score:5, Insightful)
But then again, why should the OP allow facts to get in the way of what he/she wishes to believe?
The logical fallacy of Blank and White Thinking [cuyamaca.edu], which is a hallmark of those with Borderline Personality Disorder [aapel.org], seems to affect most of us when dealing with political figures.
Maybe GWB and/or Bill Clinton are saints, sent from God himself; maybe they're full-on sociopaths. However, the most likely scenario is that they're the usual mixture of good and evil, altruism and selfishness, who through various turns-of-events became President despite their flaws.
Likewise, their policies could be completely evil or completely good, but more likely the result of mixed motives and the general imperfection of the human intellect and psychology.
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Maybe GWB and/or Bill Clinton are saints, sent from God himself; maybe they're full-on sociopaths. However, the most likely scenario is that they're the usual mixture of good and evil, altruism and selfishness, who through various turns-of-events became President despite their flaws.
Very well put, that's the most insightful statement I've ever seen in the politics section of Slashdot. To think that presidents may be allowed to be human...
What's really sad to see is how little people know of abuses of presidential power by presidents before Nixon, specifically Woodrow Wilson.
Death Templates (Score:3, Funny)
Our Long National Nighmare is Over (Score:2)
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Homer: Hey, Nachos are Nachos.
How to have a train-wreck in a Chevy (Score:2)
-Eric
Forgive and forget? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Definitely agree. His excuse at the time was lame, and paved the way for future excesses.
Part of the responsibility of the highest office in the land is to make the tough calls, and he totally failed it on that one. No wonder people kept asking if he had played football without a helmet.
When a president who nobody voted for pardons his predecessor and former "boss" for criminal activities, it stinks. The "National Nightmare" was over when Nixon resigned - putting
Re:Forgive and forget? (Score:4, Insightful)
Part of the responsibility of the highest office in the land is to make the tough calls, and he totally failed it on that one.
Considering that every one of his advisors recommended against the pardon, and he still did it, I'd say that was a tough call.
The other thing that all the people that froth at the mouth about this (still) forget is that an article of impeachment |=criminal charges. In fact, Nixon hadn't been indicted in the legal system, when the pardon was issued. Now, whether he would have been, and whether he would have convicted is something that can be argued (and probably will be) for a long time.
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Re:Forgive and forget? (Score:4, Insightful)
He didn't do it for Nixon, he did it for us. It isn't like Nixon was going to run for any other office, and if you are old enough to remember, with Vietnam, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, MLK, Kent State, and everything else that had happened over the last decade, we really didn't need another investigation to tell us what we already knew.
Everyone knew Nixon was guilty, and because he was ex-pres, he wasn't going to go to "pound you in the ass federal prison" regardless of the outcome. We did not need 5 years of court hearings at that time.
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How is this insightful? (Score:4, Insightful)
For those too young to know better; the Watergate scandal is NOT about the break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters! Watergate is about everything that happened AFTER!
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I'm really failing to see the logic in that. Would it have been okay to try Nixon if he'd been just kinda-sorta-somewhat guilty of lesser crimes instead?
Re:Bush involvement (Score:4, Insightful)
So the democrats had this, and just didn't release it...and they never mentioned it publically afterwords? Please, those kinds of theories are put forward just by authors looking to sell books to marks. They broke in to place wiretaps to see what the democrats were up to. Sure Nixon was leading in the polls, but does a thief stop stealing just because he has money?
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No, it wasn't. It has given
Re:Forgive and forget? (Score:5, Insightful)
Shame? What shame? He's still defended as a hero by neocons. His people are still to be found in power in D.C.
The fact the Nixon didn't go to jail is what let Reagan and Bush II get away with their subversions of the Constitution.
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Not really. There's very little about Nixon that fits either the neocon mold or the mold of their various heroes. Nixon was a liberal Christian--a Quaker--rather than an observant Jew or Christian like the neoconservatives. He adopted a policy of decline (along with Kissinger) rather than one of a powerful, resurgent America like Reagan or Bush. In fact, the neoconservatives are explicitly against the kind of Nixon/Kissinger realism, eschewing it for a "musc
Helsinki Accords (Score:3, Interesting)
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How would it be better had justice not been served?
How is sticking our head in the sand as a nation "better for us"?
That justice was not done, set the stage for the future. The Iran-Contra traitors are all back on the job, instead of jail, where they belong. Karl Rove actually served on Nixon's campaign, and his poisonous brand of divisive politics or character a
The King is Dead, Long Live the King (Score:5, Informative)
Obligatory wiki quote. [wikipedia.org]
Also he is the only Eagle Scout to ever be (Score:4, Interesting)
Re: 6 of the 12 (Score:2)
Re:The King is Dead, Long Live the King (Score:5, Funny)
Bill Clinton's Head: (to Leela) Hey, sugar cookie! You know, legally, nothing I can do counts as sex anymore.
Gerald Ford's Head: I apologize for his rudeness, ma'am. He gets this way around meaty looking women.
Fry: (to Clinton) Hey, I remember you. I was gonna vote for you one time. But voting isn't cool, so I stayed home alone and got trashed on Listerine.
Gerald Ford's Head: Frankly, I've never felt voting to be all that essential to the process.
Richard Nixon's Head: No kidding, Ford!
And to that, the obligatory SImpson's Reference (Score:2)
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Requiescat In Pace (Score:2, Funny)
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But the real question is... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:But the real question is... (Score:5, Funny)
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Is Generalissimo Francisco Franco still dead?
He was (Score:3, Funny)
The Accidential (Accident Prone?) President (Score:5, Interesting)
Nope, the played-too-hard President (Score:3, Informative)
It's worth mentioning that Ford was actually very athletic (more so than probably every other president, though Dubya liked to jog and now bikes when he can, and of course Teddy Roosevelt was Action Guy). Ford played very hard in his younger years and it really took a toll on his knees, which is why he had trouble on stairs later o
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Yeah, him and the upcoming Democrat congress.
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During the eight years (1965-1973) he served as Minority Leader, Ford won many friends in the House because of his fair leadership and inoffensive personality.
from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]
In addition, he was indeed chosen by Nixon.
Because the Republicans did not attain a majority in the House, Ford was unable to reach his ultimate political goal--to be Speaker of the House.
When Spiro Agnew resigned the office of Vice President of the United States late in 1973, after pleading no contest to a charge of income tax evasion, President Nixon was empowered by the 25th Amendment to appoint a new vice president.
from Gerald R. Ford Biography [utexas.edu]
So farewell then, (Score:4, Funny)
Farewell then, Gerald Ford.
Many said you were not the sharpest tool in the box.
How wrong they are, now.
+5, Funny (Score:2)
Funny thing about Ford... (Score:2, Insightful)
Minor typo (Score:3, Informative)
from the to-many-submissions-to-ignore dept. (Score:3, Funny)
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And we thought it would never happen (Score:2, Funny)
Dana Carvey's SNL skit (Score:3, Funny)
Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford dead today at the age of 83.
Producer: Good, now one for next year.
Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford dead today at age 84.
Producer: Now one for if he's shot.
Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford shot dead today at age 83.
Producer: Add the word senseless.
Tom Brokaw: Okay, Gerald Ford shot dead at the senseless age of 83.
Tom Brokaw: Alright, we got it?
Producer: No. We've got "eaten by wolves".
Tom Brokaw: What? Now, come on!
Producer: Just read it!
Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford isn't gonna be eaten by wolves!
Producer: Taft was.
Tom Brokaw: Really? Taft?
Producer: Uh... yeah.
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I was watching the late night talk shows last night, when the broadcast was interrupted by a "special news report". Well, unfortunately for them, their sound was screwed up, so I flipped over to the cable news channels. CNN was the only other channel reporting anything about Ford's death, and Anderson Cooper was giving his report over a crapload of stock video of various events in Ford's presidency.
In other words, they've had this queued up and ready to go for som
Reminds me of this . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Voice of Producer: What? That'd be a huge story - Ford dying, and you coming out!
Tom Brokaw: But I'm not gay!
Voice of Producer: Today you're not gay, you know.. but then one day you wake up, you like men, and Gerald Ford dies, and we're screwed. Everyone's hearing about it from Dan Rather!
It's a hoax (Score:2, Funny)
Yes, the East Timorese with sorely miss him (Score:5, Interesting)
Well it did succeed and over 200,000 East Timorese died during the invasion and subsequent occupation. It's strange that neither Ford nor Kissinger mentioned they gave the green light for the East Timor invasion in their memoirs. It must have slipped their minds. Fortunately details of their meetings with Suharto are now available (released by the National Security Archive in 2001). Yes Ford will be sorely missed by the people of East Timor.
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Just a bit of reminiscing.... (Score:5, Interesting)
One thing that I'll never forget is that for dessert, we were served a "grasshopper pie", which was a mint ice cream and chocolate pie. Interestingly, they served him a bowl of three simple scoops of vanilla ice cream. When I asked him about it, he said that he loved vanilla ice cream, and didn't like the other fancy stuff.
Anyway, it was a pleasure to have had the honor of spending a short time with him.
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Nah. I was just building up my geekness factor, preparing for my inevitable early-on participation on
Nixon pardon was the right thing (Score:2)
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At the time there was so much going on and so much devisiveness because of Vietnam that a long, drawn-out impeachment would have been just about guaranteed. Nixon did the right thing by getting out of there so that he couldn't bring further disgrace to the Office of the Presidency and Ford d
Go Blue... (Score:2)
Betty Ford.. (Score:3, Interesting)
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Swept into office? (Score:2)
Ford was chosen because he was innocuous. He ended up becoming Kissenger's sock puppet.
Scary Times for the U.S. (Score:2, Insightful)
It doesn't give me a whole lot of hope for the near future. Every time we see something on slashdot it is hotly debated with no middle ground and no compromise. With that attitude, I
For some reason... (Score:2)
advert in which they showed this feisty little old lady saying:
Well, I was still too young to vote at the time, but at our Florida
high-school mock elections, he lost big time. He wasn't exactly
inspiring to the younger generation.
Vigil at Ford's birth site, in Omaha.. (Score:2)
Here's the google map link. Enjoy it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3202+Wool w orth+Avenue,+omaha,+ne&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=41.245829,- 95.958989&spn=0.002307,0.005783&t=k&om=1&iwloc=add r [google.com]
Side note, Omaha also is the birth place of Malcom X.
Re:I will never forgive him (Score:4, Insightful)
So don't complain. Personally, I wanted to see Ronbo, G. H. W. Bush, and Co. brought to task over Iran Contra, but with those last minute pardons for the perpetrators as the investigators finally got near GHWB, my generation got diddly/squat. You at least got something, even if it wasn't RMN in San Quentin.
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I know, it's a stretch, but I'm trying to work with you here.
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September 11th was different. It was the unexpected and violent death of thousands in the largest terrorist act on our own soil in our history. It was the beginning of (a series of undeclared) wars. It had implications for everyone's future.
This is the natural passing of a single man. A former president with his shar
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Nerds are by definition not in the mainstream, and this news clearly is (not that all mainstream items are offtopic). While there are various different types of nerds out there into various topics of interest, its the nerds of the kind this site was ostensibly started for that has for the life of the site that has defined the vast majority of the topic matter that gets a submission put up on the front page.
One of the things that makes this sight interesting to n
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Rule of law has to be for everybody, not just those without the power to adjust the judicial process to their taste.
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In case you forgot (Score:3, Funny)
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There's a British one (Score:3, Funny)
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The conversation between Kissinger, Suharto, and Ford is declassified public record. You can find it all over the web, at the national security archive, or by submitting your own FOIA request to the federal government.
The office appointments are basic history and my phrasing is original.
The description of Ford's invasion of Cambodia was originally written by Howard Zinn and has appeared in several web pages and books.
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For being a bad president, sure. For being a criminal, no.
The prosecution of Nixon would have dragged on forever, and to what purpose?
Justice?
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If Clinton had been conviceted for lying (essentially the charge)
Just a small correction -- the charge wasn't just "lying", the charge was the President of the United States, the protector of the constitution, lying under oath, in a court of law, a much more serious offense.
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http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/faq.htm [jfkfiles.com]
Don't let silly facts get in the way of good 'ol paranoia.
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Oswald owned the gun used to kill JFK, and there are pictures of him holding it. Marina Oswald testified in 1964 and 1978 that she took the photographs at Oswald's request.
http://independence.net/jfk/oswaldxh300.jpg [independence.net]
He had used the same rifle earlier in attempt t
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One, I don't know you from a hill of beans, so your credibility is unknown.
Two, assuming he did change the words, it is at least as important to know *why* he did it as it is to know he did it in the first place.
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And I'm allergic to bees, so my chances are pretty good. Especially since I'm 10 miles from Tijuana.
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