Slashdot: Podcasts, IM, Improved Discussions 248
Recently we added the ability to receive AIM instant messages to notify you when stories are posted, when someone posts a comment to your journal, or when one of your friends post a journal. You can turn it on from the messaging preference page. You might need to set up slashdotomatic as a friend or buddy or whatever in your IM client to make it work, but this is a good way to get fast notification of Slashdot stuffs. We hopefully will add other popular instant messaging clients in the future but for now AIM is the top dog so we started there. The code is of course all in CVS if you want to add new platforms... there's room to easily add Jabber, MSN, Yahoo or anything else really. We've talked about SMS as well, so if there's a demand for it we'll work on it.
Everyone who knows me knows what I think about the vast majority of podcasts on the internet. The Slashdot podcast currently isn't at all like that. We call it the the Slashdot Robot Overlord. All it does is use Cepstral Voices to read you Slashdot stories aloud. So if you want to listen to Slashdot stories in your car or on your phone or something, here's an easy way to do it.
Subscribers have a new option in their journals: they can restrict the discussions to logged in users. This is a nice way to minimize trolling and general crappy behavior in your journal. Of course, there's nothing to stop the ambitious jerk from creating a user account, but this will at least slow them down for a few seconds. It's worth noting that when you post a journal, you are given the option to submit your journal to Slashdot... if your journal is selected, you sacrifice that option.
Speaking of comment posting, we've added a new <quote> tag useful in comments. If you choose to encapsulate a quote in said tag, that quote is expandable and contractible via user preferences. Properly quoting comments will allow your fellow readers to have better control over their display than simply blocking a huge chunk of words in italics.
A little bit more information about the Discussion2 system before we wrap up: It's currently tested mostly under Firefox (as is all of our javascript). It also works fine under Safari (2 and 3). We have some UI improvements coming soon as well, but it already is a vast improvement over the old system. One of the next steps is to make D2 degrade cleanly to a non-javascript browser so we can maintain one code base for development. When we get to that point, we can switch over the default/anonymous view to the new system.
We have a bunch of other stuff coming after the holiday. But in the mean time, please test this stuff out and let me know if you see any glaring bugs. The address is the same as always.
Buggy IE (7) (Score:5, Informative)
You may want to get those issues cleared up before you consider Discussion2 complete.
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Re:Buggy IE (7) (Score:5, Funny)
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I ignore it because it doesn't display the messages as I have them set in my preferences. I assumed that they should take my preferences and then display the same way as the old system but apparently they don't.
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I realize that this doesn't matter to a lot of the Slashdot crowd, but Discussion2 is still buggy in IE (IE7, specifically). ..//..
You may want to get those issues cleared up before you consider Discussion2 complete.
If you had access to Slashdot's web stats, you would fall from chair no less.
Hint: Top browser could not be Firefox. There is no such guarantee.
It happens because of people checking Slashdot at work or plainly choosing IE 7 (which is not a crime).
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I'm hoping there's an option similar to the old "light" mode for those of us often stuck us
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Clogs up in Opera 9 (Score:5, Informative)
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Which browser works fine with that feature on? I really started to wonder.
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Provided they make it degrade properly with no javascript, as the taco says, you should be able to just disable javascript on slashdot.org in order to get a plain system.
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I have never seen it.
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When I look there, I have only one checkbox, for saving my threshold and such. I looked in prefs, all I have is a radio button (on the 'Comments' page) where I can switch between "Normal" and "University of Michigan Testing", is that the same thing?
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It should be right above that, in the dark gray area. Though it sounds like people with the Michigan Testing gizmo don't have it.
Re:Clogs up in Opera 9 (Score:5, Informative)
I even included OS X "sample of application", my logs, my system profile just to make them interested a bit. While guys start the day by checking Slashdot there, they don't fix the freaking bug.
Unbelievable, no less.
I hate to give ammo to Opera haters but this is it, I am saying this public. That is a Opera bug which exists since first 9.x versions and lives up to date despite numerous kind of bug reports even posted to their forums.
Original Slasdot bug report (not mine)
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=det
By risking CmdrTaco getting mad at me
Re: Slashdotomatic's Buddy Icon (Score:2)
Perfect Chance (Score:2)
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Re:Perfect Chance (Score:5)
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I just ask in an addendum to my post. Always worked for me.
BTW, "No Karma Bonus" turns off your extra "bonus" point for having good karma. Thus checking that box would make your post show up as +1 rather than +2. It used to be more useful when only a handful of posters had it, but now all it takes is to hang around long enough and you'll get the +1 bonus. Sooo, you can mostly ignore it if you wi
IM re-queued or fallback to email? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Also, is AIM really the 'top dog' for IM? I guess this must be a US thing; most of the geeks in my roster use Jabber, and the non-geeks use MSN, with a few non-geeks using Jabber now Google use it. I only have a couple of people using AIM or ICQ (which are the same network now).
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So the hooks are in CVS...maybe someone will hop on it...
AIM is Top Dog? (Score:4, Funny)
For teenage girls, maybe. GTalk is "top dog" for professionals as it's built right into GMail. That, IMHO, is a much better solution than having to install 500+ IM products. And if I really need to contact a teenage girl^W^W^W someone on AIM, there's always Meebo [meebo.com]!
Disclaimer: The above is a humorous post and should not be consumed by old people, pregnant women, or those with a weak heart. AKAImBatman disclaims all responsibility for the reader's lack of a sense of humor.
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If you don't have anything better to do than run your own email server, then you're not much of a professional. I think every professional has been there and done that, but the maintenance and time requirements are too demanding in the long-term. It's much easier to farm out your email and IM to a service like GMail, where you have a dedicated set of professionals ensuring that you have the latest upgrades, maximum performance,
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If you're not worried about privacy, by all means, use google. If you are, don't. It's that simple.
For most of my correspondence, I am not concerned about privacy, and I in fact use gmail, gtalk, etc. But for anything I am, I feel the need to have m
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Sweet16Thing: Hey, weird, I work there too!
Gary91 has joined the room
Bunny15: Waitasec, guys - Do we have any non-cops in the PedoLovers chat room?
GeezrLovr: Uh... Not me
RoophieMe: Nope
Nymph1993: Sorry
Gary91 has logged off
Bunny15: Oh, damn.
Depends on what your friends use (Score:2)
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IM/SMS (Score:2)
Please also note that you can get Slashdot feeds via Slashdot on Twitter [twitter.com] if you are in the need of SMS updates for the time being.
Question for other slashdotters (Score:2)
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My feeling on the system is that the Slashdot editors are excit
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Slashdot's comment features, while not perfect, set an example that thousands of other sites have followed. Do people think the new Discussion2 system will set a new example to be copied? Or is it turning into bloat?
I like the new discussion system. It allows for faster skimming of the most highly moderated comments without the multiple page spillover stuff you have to go through with the old system. It's quite good for a nerdy site like /. I don't know if the broader online community is ready for it however; it's a bit sophisticated.
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"restrict the discussions (Score:3, Insightful)
Because that's worked so well over at Kuro5hin.
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What constitutes a troll?
I regularly post expressing my disagreement with american foreign policy and get modded as a troll. I know I hold alot of views that many US citizens disagree with, but does that make me a troll? What was the origin of the expression?
Definition of troll (Score:2)
Re:"restrict the discussions (Score:4, Insightful)
Did you know that your sig states that you're here to offend people?
Reading that, I'm not sure if you mean to offend the ignorant, or if you offend people through your own ignorance. Either way, it seems like you purposely try to offend people, which is likely a very good reason to mod a potentially troll-ish post as a troll.
"Improved Discussions"? (Score:4, Funny)
Taco,
"Improved Discussions" would require you delete all your current user accounts and start over.
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Unless, of course, it was last summer's vacation spent on discussion2 and these other changes, in which case the deletion of user accounts may also take nine months to roll out.
How about ... (Score:5, Insightful)
a "credibility rating" (from "improbable rumor" to "we guarantee it's correct with our life".. ok pick better named)
an "importance" rating (from "something to read if you're bored with life" to "breaking effin news!!!")
and "time effect" rating (from "it was announced to happen in somewhere the next 100 years" to "it just happened now!")
Because, damn. I'm sick of all the noise on Slashdot. And that's gold I'm giving you here. If you don't use it, I'll be so pissed off, I'll start my own news site just to see it happen
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It happened 5 years ago
Re:How about ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Who decides what is important? I generally avoid hardware stories like the plague but some electrical engineer might consider them gangbusters.
Most of the time, I think that type of information is irrelevant or only interesting to a minute portion of the users.
Honestly, most of what you want seems to take the place of actually reading TFA and forming opinions on it yourself
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Who decides what's important? Who decided what's beautiful? Yes: there's no perfect way to do it.
But if you don't do it, it's even worse. Who'd argue that Apple's products are more elegant that your generic beige box? Do you know why? Because someone (Steve Jobs) stepped up and said "I'll tell you what's important and what's beautiful".
And with the beige box, they ju
Geeks in Space.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Podcast with Cepstral voices (Score:2)
Top-level-replies on new Discussion system (Score:2)
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Um, this ain't rocket science... (Score:2)
In FireFox, I am getting some occasional JavaScript errors reported by FireBug, but overall, the new system seems to work well. Give it a chance, and give 'em feedbac
It's about content, not gadgets (Score:2)
I'm assuming that the vast majority of readers are here for content, and the weaknesses in that content are a great frustration.
I'm not talking about hiring New York Times journalists, only asking for basic standards like:
GeoRSS and OpenLayers support for Slashdot? (Score:2)
And hey, we even have OpenLayers with Google Maps maps within stories. Same story as GeoRSS for Slash, this Slash plugin works (example here (temporarily disabled) [slashgeo.org]), and not much is required to make it fully complete!
Podcasting before it was cool (Score:3, Interesting)
You guys were podcasting back in the day with Geeks in Space. Those recordings viewed from now, almost a decade later, would be an awesome peek back into a different kind of internet, but I can't find the mp3's archived anywhere - I used to have 'em on a ZiP disk (heh) but even if I knew where it was, I'd have no way to read it.
Anyone have a copy of 'em lying around that they'd like to make available for research's/nostalgia's sake?
-Triv
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Podcasts (Score:2, Insightful)
No Dupes (Score:2)
Robot Overlord (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone know where it really is?
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IM notification of posts? (Score:2)
OK, so I thought "great, I can stop monitoring the RSS feed and get more timely notifications" when I read this. But I can't see any option to actually enable this in my Message Preferences page :-(
Discussion 2 (Score:2)
And, and... (Score:2)
Parent below threshold - confusion! (Score:3, Interesting)
Anything but a direct reply to the article is indented and has a light grey "L" shape to the left (a tree link) indicating a link to the parent - but if the parent is below my threshold, it looks as if the child is linked to the comment above the parent. This leads to silliness like
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How about it, guys?
A simple icon change would make it clear that there's no relation between these two posts - perhaps a cross to show that there's no link:
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D2 (Score:5, Insightful)
Currently, there is not way to follow discussions you haven't participated. D2 doesn't even have the possibility to temporarily sort comments or threads from newest to oldest without doing it through the preferences page (which you need to access again if you want to change it back when you load a new story). For stories with a large number of comments this means that new comments will barely be read by anyone.
This is not a complaint by someone who is pissed of that no one will read his comments (see diggers and their new discussion system) but by someone who appreciates the overall quality of discussion on slashdot. Let's face it, these days there are better places to get the news, slashdot's quality is in the comments. This is where new features should go to.
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My guess is that it's a preference I can set to decide how I want to see your post.
That's my guess anyway, since apparently when I signed up for the University of Michigan testing stuff it clobbered my account profile with whatever was going on at the time and now none of this "discussion2" stuff works. I don't even get this "checkbox on any article page". I can turn on and off the Michigan stuff in my profile, but the majority of the time it wouldn't work in FF or IE, and I ended up leaving it disabled.
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I suppose it's possible that the two systems are the same thing, but based on the few screenshots I've been able to find of Discussion2, it doesn't look like they are. Moreover the University of Michigan system is very slow and buggy--I have trouble believing this is the same interface everyone else is testing. (Maybe a precursor to it
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There are two ways to do it.
1. If you are using Firefox, you can install the Firebug [getfirebug.com] Addon and then go to the comments preference page and click on the firebug icon in the status bar. Then click "Inspect" Firebug button and click on the "University of Michigan Testing" button and click on the HTML tab in Firebug. Change the value from "uofm" to "slashdot". Then make sure t
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Same with UMT, I shut it off almost immediately due to massive overhead it imposed on loading pages. I can't figure out how someone found that to be acceptable.
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Hey, they've fixed at least one bug! :-)
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