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Singles, Not Albums, Define Music Industry Success 270

athloi writes "Despite the tough times for albums, the music industry is slowly but surely learning the most important lesson of all: give consumers what they want, and they happily open their wallets. Digital music sales are a new business and a new way of thinking about and interacting with content. The industry should be paying closer attention to its meteoric rise and less attention to the dying, arcane album. It should absolutely drop the rhetoric about how piracy is destroying the business, because the sea change in sales patterns shows that something else is is afoot. It means that when users are sitting at a computer and looking for music, more and more each year are turning to legal download services."
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Singles, Not Albums, Define Music Industry Success

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  • by prockcore ( 543967 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:31PM (#19760783)
    I like albums.

    Singles exist to catch your attention.. the same way commercials are loud and obnoxious. If there isn't the rest of the album, then the only music will be loud and obnoxious "LISTEN TO ME" stuff. The more subtle music will be sacrificed because it doesn't present well on the radio.
    • by dolphinling ( 720774 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:36PM (#19760843) Homepage Journal
      I definitely agree. The vast majority of the music I own is from independent labels, and most of it I often listen to an album at a time. I understand that certain formats (where you don't have the listener's attention for long) work better for singles, but music that's meant to be good, and meant to be really listened to, still can and does work better as an album.
      • by croddy ( 659025 )
        Except when it works better as an EP.
      • by Hott of the World ( 537284 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @09:10PM (#19761981) Homepage Journal
        I don't like albums. I don't like artists. I like music. Particularly, I like catchy singles. The only reason I don't just listen to the radio for my fix is that I enjoy my music on my terms.

        I used to by Albums for the Songs. Unfortunately not every song is good. Not every song captures the mood as well as the best one, nor do they capture the same mood. Why am I buying these again?

        Some people enjoy the album experience as it is now. Artists, more-so, since most albums aren't done in a single night, nor in the same state of mind. It really lets you explore the different atmospheres that the group goes through when making an album, at least if you don't have it completely remixed and reorganized by some music industry wiz.

        • It depends (Score:5, Insightful)

          by KingSkippus ( 799657 ) * on Thursday July 05, 2007 @09:32PM (#19762193) Homepage Journal

          It really depends on the artist and style of music.

          With some artists, like the Beatles for instance, I like their singles. Their good stuff was really good, but their bad stuff was, well, crap.

          However, some artists are much more conducive to an album-type experience. I always kind of hate hearing a Pink Floyd song on the radio. Not that I hate Pink Floyd, they're one of my all-time favorite bands. But pulling a song like Comfortably Numb out of the context of The Wall, Brain Damage out of the context of Dark Side of the Moon, and so on, well, it just doesn't do it justice.

          It doesn't just have to be concept albums this applies to. A lot of albums have themes that run through them, even though each song stands pretty well on its own. Fleetwood Mac's Rumors is like that. Sure, each song is great, but all of them together are greater than the sum of their parts.

          I think that a HUGE problem (in capital letters!) with the music industry today, aside from treating its customers as extortion victims, is that they don't want to aim for specialized tastes any more. They want everyone just to listen to the same pop crap they forcefeed us all, and if you don't like it, well, don't listen to anything at all. There is no room in their business model for people who like x type of music and other people who like y.

          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by Kopiok ( 898028 )
            The beauty of online music is that you are better able to find those specialized tastes. Even among legal services. It presents alternatives to the manufactured label crap, and I think that's why they're so scared. They fear the independent labels, which are exploding on the web, will steal their business.
          • Re:It depends (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Admiral Ag ( 829695 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @11:22PM (#19763003)
            That's somewhat true, but I wouldn't change the way iTunes distributes music.

            Like you, I prefer albums (and from the look of your post, the same ones you do), but there are a lot of groups that only ever did one or two decent things (like CCS version of "Whole Lotta Love"), and I only want that particular track.

            However, I think that iTunes is much more conducive to album sales than people think, especially for new stuff. I've lost count of the number of times I've only wanted 3 or 4 songs off an album and bought them. Then iTunes says that I can complete the album for four or five dollars and get another 7 or 8 tracks. I'm always falling for that. In the old days if I bought the singles, I would have to pay full price for the album and that would discourage me from buying it. With iTunes plus buying an album is even better value, since the single tracks are more expensive and the albums are still the same price.

            At least now we have a few months to decide whether we really want the whole thing.

            I don't agree about the specialized tastes thing. It seems to me that music is more fragmented than ever. When I was a teenager people either listened to "rock" music, "pop" music, or "punk" music. Now there are all sorts of genres and subgenres and the record charts don't really have the same meaning that they once had. There probably will never be another phenomenon like the Beatles, where virtually every kid bought the record.

            The record companies have also been pretty good at putting out a lot of old stuff with added value. I bought the Deluxe edition of "DIsraeli Gears" the other day, and it is superb value (a ton of extra tracks, radio performances, alternate versions, etc.). God knows how many copies that old record will sell. Not many I suspect, but whoever was responsible for putting that package together did an excellent job. Another good example is the box set of Johnny Cash Live at San Quentin. I didn't pay much for that, but you get the whole show, a book and a DVD of the film they made about it.

            So, while not wanting to sound like a shill for the record companies, and acknowledging that they do put out quite a lot of crap and that some new stuff is clearly a ripoff, there is a lot of stuff that they take an extreme amount of care over, which probably doesn't make them much cash, and which is a real bargain for anyone who really likes music.
          • Re:It depends (Score:4, Insightful)

            by wasted ( 94866 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @11:56PM (#19763221)

            ...They want everyone just to listen to the same pop crap they forcefeed us all, and if you don't like it, well, don't listen to anything at all. There is no room in their business model for people who like x type of music and other people who like y...

            Change a few words, and it applies to the automobile industry as well, and probably a lot of others. Too many industries have decided that marketing means making the people want what we want to sell, instead of selling what the people want.
          • Re:It depends (Score:5, Insightful)

            by drcagn ( 715012 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @11:56PM (#19763233) Homepage
            Listen to Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's, or Abbey Road completely through--masterpieces of the album art form. The Beatles were pioneers of making the album a respectable medium; before them most bands were extremely singles-heavy. Stuff like the White Album, not so much, even though there are great songs on it. Other than that, I agree with your post. A good album is an entire book, full of ups and downs and different emotions and feelings. A single is like taking the climax from a book and reading it on its own. Yeah, it's good, but it has no meaning or significance by itself.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by ChrisA90278 ( 905188 )
            "With some artists, like the Beatles for instance, I like their singles. Their good stuff was really good, but their bad stuff was, well, crap."

            Odd that you should pick the Beatles as an example. Beatles are usually sighted as THE example of how albums can be more then just a collection of unrelated tunes. The albums that you listed "Dark Side of the Moon".. came later after the beatles had broken the ground and shown what could be done.

            The other thing about the Beatles was that they were popular enough t
        • by gregmac ( 629064 )

          I used to by Albums for the Songs. Unfortunately not every song is good. Not every song captures the mood as well as the best one, nor do they capture the same mood. Why am I buying these again?

          I totally agree, and would extend this by saying I am sometimes in the mood to listen to a certain style/mood of music.. for example, when I'm just relaxing getting ready to go to bed, I might want to listen to a bunch of slower/quieter songs, and not the album that goes through a whole range of styles.

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by scotch ( 102596 )

          I don't like albums. I don't like artists. I don't like music. Particularly, I like catchy singles.

          There, I fixed that for you.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by AndersOSU ( 873247 )
          There was a cover story in USAToday about this about a month ago (hey, I was in a hotel room, stop judging me.) The main focus was the massive slide that rap has undergone in the last three years. I particularly liked the comparison that in 2003 the best selling album was The Eminem Show, and in 2006 it was The High School Musical soundtrack.

          Their analysis was that one of several problems that loomed large was that rap is a very single driven genre, and people simply don't have to buy albums anymore. (Th
      • I agree (Score:3, Insightful)

        by tjstork ( 137384 )
        An album is a work of art as a whole, a sort of a modern symphony with multiple parts. Really, if the industry wants to save the album, it needs to let the artists be artists.
    • by WilliamSChips ( 793741 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `ytinifni.lluf'> on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:39PM (#19760881) Journal
      And that's why Radiohead is failing.</sarcasm>
    • by BoberFett ( 127537 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:39PM (#19760885)
      I like albums too. At the same time I realize that most popular "musicians" don't have the ability to create them. There are some excellent musicians who can create a dozen tracks covering 45 or more minutes which form a cohesive message or story. That's a small minority though. Most of the pop bands of today release a CD with a handful singles that are no way relevant to one another, and only two of which are good enough to bother listening to.

      High quality artists can continue to create albums. One hit wonders should know their place in the world:

      1. Accept the fact that most of their music isn't that good
      2. Learn to be grateful that they had one hit song
      3. Invest some of the income from their hit single instead of blowing the whole thing on drugs and hookers
      • >> There are some excellent musicians who can create a dozen tracks covering 45 or more minutes which form a cohesive message or story.

        Hm, let me think. Pink Floyd. The Moody Blues. Alan Parsons Project. Emerson Lake and Palmer.
        Ok, so I'm showing my age.

        But BoberFett has a point.

        Mind you,

        >> Invest some of the income from their hit single instead of blowing the whole thing on drugs and hookers

        is a bit rich. Most bands seem to actually lose money from making albums after the music companies have t
        • by Lumpy ( 12016 )
          Ok a list of more modern bands doing that...

          Modest Mouse, Cake, RadioHead, Chemical brothers, System of a down, The slightly older Uncle Tupelo and the newer Son Volt and Wilco just to name a tiny few that have epic releases of incredible albums. I can name quite a few more if I actually look into the 180 gigs of mp3's or go into the CD vault downstairs. The Crap that is played on the top 40, the Emo-40, the goth-40, and the moody-40 stations are in fact pretty much solid crap without a hope of getting pa
      • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) * on Thursday July 05, 2007 @08:00PM (#19761185) Journal
        I had always been an album guy. Growing up with the great works of rock, which were all presented as albums, made me especially appreciative of the album form.

        But since my most regular periods of music listening are my 1 hour bicycle trips to and from my office every day, and I listen to music on portable mp3 players, I'd come to like the "shuffle" format for the uncertainty and surprise it brought to my listening.

        However, in the past several weeks, I've taken my player off of "shuffle" and have been listening to albums all the way through. It started when someone gave me a few albums that I've really come to enjoy (Apples in Stereo, in case you're interested, and others). So for nearly a month now, all I do is listen to albums all the way through on my way to the office and back home. The Man Who Sold the World, Icky Thump, Coltrane's Ballads, even The Stooges. I'd forgotten just how good great albums can be.

        I'm betting the popularity of albums will return as the corporate music industry dries up and blows away and musical artists make more direct contact with their fans through direct marketing of their music via the web.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Stormx2 ( 1003260 )
        A generalisation, good sir. I too have a general dislike of produced-for-tv singles, and most of my favourite albums follow themes / are concept albums. However, length != quality. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club falls under your 45 minute mark, and if you look at a lot of beatlesesque indie pop, some albums fall well under 30 minutes, but can be fantastic.

        Still doesn't beat out tool, thought ;)
      • by syousef ( 465911 )
        Artists in general and musicians in particular don't get well known because they're able to plan sensibly for the future. They make it in the highly glamorized industry because they're rebellious and spontaneous and live the wild kind of life a teenager wishes they could or at least fantasizes about (you know the whole drugs and hookers, not to mention touring the world and being adored by millions). Sadly many people who are creative are also a tad mentally unstable. The industry doesn't promote common sen
        • Have a look at what Abba did with their fame and fortune -- they had a sensible investment plan, and ended up fabulously wealthy. Possibly the most successful (in terms of wealth generated) indie band ever (check it out -- they managed the whole publishing effort themselves, along sound business principles). They certainly didn't fit the wreck-the-hotel image, they just made good popular music that had broad appeal, and they were sensible about how they ran their business.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by coaxial ( 28297 )
        I'm sorry, but the concept album was always horrible self-absorbed exercise from the 70s. Yes, they still exist, but they're rarely any good. The good concepts albums are simply nominal concept albums. If you bash your audience over the head, you suck as a writer. Albums are portfolios. They represent a body of work at a period of time. Even on the fabled concept album, there's rarely any more than three stand out songs.

        Good writers make good songs. The idea that they should sit on them until they get
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by spoco2 ( 322835 )
          He wasn't talking about the 'concept' album, we're not talking a Sgt Peppers, or Dark Side of the Moon here (although we could be just as well)... what we're talking about is a collection of songs that you can listen to together, one after the other and they all 'fit' together.

          They don't have to have a cohesive story, they don't have to 'be a part' of some larger vision, but they work when played together, and the listener is rewarded from listening to all the tracks on an album, not just the singles.

          Really
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by glwtta ( 532858 )
          Albums are portfolios. They represent a body of work at a period of time.

          So, I don't think anyone was really talking about concept albums in particular (they are, after all, a tiny minority), but I think the point of an album is to be a little more cohesive than you describe. A good album does hang together pretty well, both musically and thematically, and has a sensible progression, even if there is no "story" behind it (doesn't have to be as structured as, let's say, "Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Anten
      • by dinther ( 738910 )
        You are so right! I like to add to that the fact that albums are also a great trick to sell you the same songs over and over as they occur in different combinations on the albums.
        • As long as they are different recordings, I'm happy. My best friend, for instance, has the entirety of Led Zeppelin's released material, and it includes (IIRC) some 6 different versions of "Communication Breakdown". If you played the first ten seconds of all of them, you'd never know they were the same song, as Led Zeppelin improvised and rewrote constantly and endlessly. And that's not to say that the rest of each recording after 10 seconds is identical to the others, but at some point, you get at least
      • I like albums too. At the same time I realize that most popular "musicians" don't have the ability to create them

        That's because they're, as you have said, "musicians." Generally, they're not artists. They're performers. Granted, there are notable exceptions like Radiohead, Prince, and the like, but for people like Justin Timberlake and Brittney Spears, I refuse to call the latter two "artists" because they have demonstrated no artistic creativity nor ability. Hell, they don't even come up with their own dance routines.

    • by christurkel ( 520220 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:41PM (#19760903) Homepage Journal
      The gist is, albums will always have a role to play in music, digital age or not, it's just singles will become the dominant form. Think of it this way: AC/DC, Bob Seger, etc, will always put albums worth buying but now you'll be saved from whole albums of Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson.
    • by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:50PM (#19761051)
      Most people buying albums only really buy it for a few songs, with most of the rest being padding so that "you get your money's worth".

      Singles are far better value for money (you buy what you want), but are far harder to handle in physical form. Singles on CD etc are a pain for manufacturers (more lower-value titles == more work for less money), record stores (more stock, lower prices,...) and for the listener (changing CDs after each track).

      Singles do, however, make a lot of sense in download form. They're easy to manufacture (http) and use (itunes etc) and you only pay for what you want. The people who lose are the labels and record stores since they find it hard to add value any more.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by prockcore ( 543967 )

        The people who lose are the labels and record stores since they find it hard to add value any more.


        And the artists. We're heading toward a future where people will have an ipod full of 1000 different artists, one song each. They won't know the name of the artist.. they certainly won't be watching to see what that artist does next.
        • by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @08:11PM (#19761333)
          Why should it be harder for artists?

          Many artists only produce a few great songs, but they need to generate a whole CD full of crap to record an albumn... that nobody wants. This cycle is driven by the labels.

          What is much better for the artists is to generate the good songs that they can, on a budget they can afford. This makes it far easier for them to get published and make some money. It reduces the barrier of entry.

          If anything a singles-based industry makes it far easier for more artists to participate and make money.

    • I agree, but welcome to the modern pop music movement. More and more is just "loud and obnoxious" and "artists" (you know who I'm talking about, and why I'm using quotes) are striving to produce albums that are strings of loud obnoxious crud. Your fears might be justified, but what might happen is that the folks that insist on making real quality music (genuine artists will always exist) may get marginalized by the loud and obnoxious pay-4-singles market to the point where they have to nearly give the stu
    • That's one way of looking at things, and certainly I would agree with your sentiment that it would be a terrible thing if that's the way things end up. But I disagree that albums, or at least "album songs" will disappear. As long as there are people like me and you, and I believe there are an awful lot of us, who continue to want and to buy the non-single stuff then there will always be people willing to produce it. Simple supply and demand.

      To my mind the only thing digital content and the death of the albu
    • I might be way in the minority, but I usually won't buy or keep single songs. It gets too hard to find while sorting through my entire music collection. I don't always like playing through my collection, and I don't like sorting through and finding individual songs that I like. If I have 5,000 to 10,000 songs in your collection, each by a different artist and on different albums, it overloads me a little when I try to decide what I want to listen to. It's much easier to decide, "I'm in the mood for some

    • by tknd ( 979052 )

      I don't see albums going away. This should only make the "album" more worthy. In the past you could just throw together a bunch of songs, and maybe one or two of them were actually worth something. As a consumer this model sucked: you felt 2 songs were worth the money yet if you wanted them, you had to pay up the entire cost of the album.

      Now they can't do that anymore. If they want to sell an album, every song on the album better be worth it. The people who will benefit now are the listeners/consumers a

    • I like music, not albums or singles. all an album is, is a collection of music, and if there's only 1 song on there worth listening to, why the fuck would i want to pay for all the other "filler". This is why albums are dieing. In times past for a track to make it onto an album it had to be good, now it just has to be filler.
    • by Eskarel ( 565631 )
      I like albums too, and I think they should and will continue to be made.

      What this is about is choice, both for the artist and for the consumer. It hopefully means no more albums where there are 3 good songs and the rest are filler. Albums where the whole album is good will remain, but artists will no longer be locked into producing 45 minutes of music in order to be successful and consumers will no longer have to pay for the filler if they do.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by hey! ( 33014 )
      One theory of mine is that there is a very long period pendulum swinging here.

      In the Baroque period, aristocratic patrons paid composers to create a soundtrack to various ceremonies: entering a banquet to sit down, going to prayers, or privately performed ballets with the patron and his set as the dancers.

      By the end of the 1800s, this had been replaced by a middle class phenomenon: the concert hall performance with paying patrons. Like many middle class practices, there was a hefty element of self-improve
  • Its interesting (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JamesRose ( 1062530 )
    How people normally start legally downloading, then turn to illegal downloading when either they can't afford, don't want to afford, or can't find the music they like. Very rarely however, have I heard of a music downloader who has ceased any illegal activity and started paying for the music, it just doesn't seem to happen. Now given this piece of information, you would thnk that teh music industry would be keen to stop people from downloading illegally in the first place, but all they've done is get a bad
    • Every CD i've bought for in the last 10 years has been after I heard a few songs off whatever p2p was around at the time.
  • by Winckle ( 870180 ) <`ku.oc.elkcniw' `ta' `kram'> on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:33PM (#19760811) Homepage
    On monday of this week, I bought two singles. On 7" Vinyl, they were bansd i wouldn't normally try, but since I dug out an old turntable, I don't mind paying the 99p for the cheap 7" singles. 2 songs at 50p each is terrific value, and you get cool artwork!

    Now why don't they just charge 99p for the CD single? Surely they'd sell loads more!
  • Back to the Future (Score:5, Insightful)

    by McFortner ( 881162 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:35PM (#19760833)
    Recorded music started out as singles and is going back to that format. The only reason I can see for the album was to promote and justify the 33 1/3 LP format. With digital music, this concept is totally outdated and destined to die. Let me pick what I want and don't tell me what I have to take to get it. It's like buying a the whole Mu Gu Gai Pan meal when all you want from it is the egg rolls. Michael
    • It's very annoying, having to get up every four minutes to put a new record on the turntable while listening to a piano concerto.
    • The only reason I can see for the album was to promote and justify the 33 1/3 LP format.
      Well, go look for the albums that try to tell a story. Listen to them. Some albums need to be together like that. Some honestly don't. Now we have choice and choice is a good thing. But the album isn't dying--it's about to phoenix.
      • Am I going to find "Tales of Topographic Oceans" in your collection?
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by BryanL ( 93656 )
      I somewhat agree with your first sentence, then are opinions diverge. Albums didn't promote the 33 1/3, it was the other way around. The LP allowed artists (or forced them) to come up with musical ideas that lasted longer then 3 minutes. The CD was the same way. And I don't think the album will die out, it will find a new equilibrium in the digital market. That point may be 50/50 or 20/80, I don't know.

      But record labels can save the album with a few tweeks in the system, such as lowering the prices on CDs o
    • Weren't albums originally books (think photo album) full of 78s? Albums have been around for longer than formats that let you play one from a single media.
    • by glwtta ( 532858 )
      It's like buying a the whole Mu Gu Gai Pan meal when all you want from it is the egg rolls.

      Yeah! What the hell is it with having to listen to all of Die Walküre when I really just want the Ride of the Valkyries? Or having to look at the whole La Gioconda when I only like the smirk?

      Come to think of it, where do they get off making me buy the whole song? What if I just want the parts where they go "Heeeyyy... Yaaaaaaa..." or "My lovely lady lumps" and not the rest of the filler garbage? This tyra
  • But I think the music industry has known that for about 50 years.
    • by shark72 ( 702619 )

      "But I think the music industry has known that for about 50 years."

      And, the iTunes store sold their two billionth track in January. Sales of digital singles have been insanely huge for the past seven years or so.

      I read the Ars Technica article a few times and I don't really see what its purpose is, other than to try to make the reader feel smarter than the record industry as a collective whole. In short, it's a huge straw man. To quote:

      The industry should be paying closer attention to its meteoric ri

      • And, the iTunes store sold their two billionth track in January. Sales of digital singles have been insanely huge for the past seven years or so.

        How much of this has to do with the fact that while there is a price benefit to buying a single track off iTunes versus a CD album, there is no benefit to buying an album off iTunes versus buying a CD? I'd buy a single off iTunes (well, only one of the DRM-free ones), but I still wouldn't buy an album when I could get the actual CD for the same price off Amazon.

  • Duh? Why is this even news? Many music groups have one good song, and the rest of the album stinks. Most people that use the usual peer to peer networks download one song, and not entire albums. I perfer legal torrents because you get the album in just one convenient download. But I still perfer to buy my music in LP vinyl format.
    • Duh? Why is this even news? Many music groups have one good song, and the rest of the album stinks. Most people that use the usual peer to peer networks download one song, and not entire albums. I perfer legal torrents because you get the album in just one convenient download. But I still perfer to buy my music in LP vinyl format.

      The artist gets signed to the label for x number of albums. The band only makes a couple of good songs, so they either put one of each good song on two different albums or both on one and hope they can come up with more good songs for other albums later. The rest of the album they throw together whatever they can to pump out the album so they can meet their contract obligations. People buy (used to, at least..) the albums for the good song or two, for which they have to pay the full album price to get (a

  • I like albums (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Slashdot Junky ( 265039 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:36PM (#19760841)
    Dear world,

    I like albums and have found time after time that the songs not released as singles are even better. Singles are what you hear for free on the radio and during that one hour on MTV/VH1 when they are actually showing videos. Why pay for what you're likely to hear at any given time. Pay for what you're missing and find like I do that there's so much more good stuff on an album.

    Later,
    -Slashdot Junky

    • You are not the same person as the rest of the world--however, you aren't being oppressed here, because that stuff has always been available either as the B-side or independently on iTunes(or as the album discount)--it won't go away because people prefer to buy singles.
  • Go figure (Score:2, Interesting)

    by SnoopJeDi ( 859765 )
    Singles are what people listen to the most. Gee, the radio industry has only been onto this for....40 years? Personally, I find myself buying few albums, lots of songs. Only if it's an artist I REALLY enjoy do I buy albums (this is all online, that is)
    • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @08:14PM (#19761371) Journal
      Hmmm, what's a suitable analogy here to illustrate the difference between something that you might casually sing along to a bit when you hear it on the radio/MTV and something that you'll want to be able to enjoy in context whenever you wish? Let's try this...

      Singles are like trailers for a film. Albums are the film. There's more genius in a Martin Scorsese production than the 30 seconds you'll see during an ad break. Similarly, there's more genius to the average artist's music than is contained in the radio-friendly, appeal-to-everybody-possible tracks that the record company people decide to release as singles.

      Personally, I'd favour a means of online pricing that encouraged people to listen to albums rather than just buy the odd single. I doubt it would appeal to many (or even be possible now that people are used to the current online pricing models), but $4 for a single track, $8 for the album would be fine with me.

      I hate the idea that instead of a proper record collection, and a real appreciation for music and song as artforms, kids will grow up to have nothing but songs that just the catchy-yet-shallow songs that the radio/MTV happened to be blurting out for the decade or two that they spent growing up.
  • Custom Albums (Score:2, Insightful)

    by resistant ( 221968 )
    You'd think the music industry would have smartened up by now and started offering custom albums with a customer's favorite songs burned onto them for a small fee over and above the fees for the songs themselves, making a fair profit from getting the customer keen on having a good-sized collection that *he/she* picked out on-line or at a kiosk, on a decent-quality DVD recordable delivered either at said kiosk or at a local shop which owns specialised equipmentfor that. Not everyone wants to have to do this
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by shark72 ( 702619 )

      "You'd think the music industry would have smartened up by now and started offering custom albums with a customer's favorite songs burned onto them for a small fee over and above the fees for the songs themselves, making a fair profit from getting the customer keen on having a good-sized collection that *he/she* picked out on-line or at a kiosk, on a decent-quality DVD recordable delivered either at said kiosk or at a local shop which owns specialised equipmentfor that. Not everyone wants to have to do thi

  • Albums are great (Score:5, Insightful)

    by I'm Don Giovanni ( 598558 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:40PM (#19760895)
    I'll be very sad to see albums go away and we are left with a bunch of singles. Albums are like a complete work, singles are merely chapters. Would anyone really prefer a world without albums like Sgt. Pepper, What's Goin' On, It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back, Electric LadyLand, Dark Side of The Moon, Kind of Blue, Purple Rain, etc, to be replaced by a bunch of singles?

    Besides that, I've found that if a single prompts me to listen to the corresponding album, I grow to like the entire album (I know many here say that albums only have one or two good songs, and then filler garbage, but I've not found that to be the case at all; no album that I've ever bought has been like that).

    I really don't understand those that celebrate the demise of albums.
    • by i)ave ( 716746 )
      I have moderator points, but I just had to comment on your post. Sgt. Pepper's, Dark Side of the Moon, etc... were albums filled with value from the first track to the last. They stopped making albums like that in the 80's, when they figured out that a one-hit-wonder could sell their one hit on an album filled with crap and then charge the consumers a full-album price. I'd love for albums to still be filled with 15 awesome songs, but that's just not reality anymore. I for one am overjoyed at the prospect
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        To quote Homer Simpson: "Everyone knows Rock attained perfection in 1974."
        • That is true [amazon.com].

          (and, no, there is no affiliate link there... just happened to be the first link on Google)
      • IT has always been the case that most albums are filled with crap. Always. The greats just remain with time.

        Very few albums are works. There will always be a place for them. Now we gert to buy what ever single we want and not get the crap tracks, AND very often you can sample all the songs, so that odd awesome 'b side' song no one plays might also get picked up.

        Things have gotten better in that respect.

        Now if we can get to a place where artists can just kick out an occasional song to iTunes directly.

        Imagin
        • by i)ave ( 716746 )
          I don't agree that the "greats" have remained with time. I think the "greats" exemplify the point that without the threat that singles pose to them, they will put one good song on an album filled with crap. Madonna, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney could easily be considered among the greats, yet their albums since the death of the single have become mostly filler. They just don't have an incentive to produce great albums packed with value anymore. Singles created a threat to them. If they o
          • MADONNA?!?!?!

            One of the greats? Sweet merciful Christ.

            At marketing, perhaps. But that doesn't indicate musical talent, sorry.

      • I'd disagree, I have a bunch of albums I listen to straight through all the time, maybe skipping one or two songs, and they are pretty recent, for example:

        Ben Folds - Songs for Silverman
        Death Cab - Transatlanticism
        White Stripes - White Blood Cells
        The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
        Train - For Me It's You
        Semisonic - Feeling Strangely Fine
        Ben Kweller - Ben Kweller
        Matchbox 20 - Yourself or Someone Like You

        etc... I think they're amazing albums, and I listen to them regularly, among others. I think it's easy to judg
      • by dc29A ( 636871 ) *

        I'd love for albums to still be filled with 15 awesome songs, but that's just not reality anymore.

        There are plenty of good albums, not just one good song and rest fillers but not from major labels. Lot of indie/small labels have some great bands who produce entire records with quality songs.

        From the top of my head, some recent albums (2006/2007) that are great entirely not just one song:
        Loreena McKennit - An Ancient Muse
        Agalloch - Ashes Against the Grain
        Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
        Katatonia - The Great Cold Distance
        Liva - De Insulis
        Virgin Black - Requiem Mezzo Forte
        Mastodon - Blood Mountain
        Iron Mai

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by McFortner ( 881162 )

      Albums are like a complete work, singles are merely chapters

      • Most

      albums are just a single or two with whatever drek they can afford to buy for them to record. The few albums that are "complete works" tend to do very poorly. Most people want a the few songs from the artists they like. That is why mix tapes and cds are so popular, no junk.
      One of the only labels that got that was K-Tel. They gave the public what they wanted (usually) and none of the junk. And where are they now? Gone. Face it, RIAA,

    • by vux984 ( 928602 )
      Would anyone really prefer a world without albums like Sgt. Pepper, What's Goin' On, It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back, Electric LadyLand, Dark Side of The Moon, Kind of Blue, Purple Rain, etc, to be replaced by a bunch of singles?

      Have you heard the other 14 tracks on the last [insert pop sensation here]'s album?

      That sort of music doesn't need an album. Period. So albums, for that group of people is going to disappear. Big loss. The next generations Britney Spears doesn't get a record deal, she
    • by suv4x4 ( 956391 )
      I'll be very sad to see albums go away and we are left with a bunch of singles. Albums are like a complete work, singles are merely chapters.

      Don't be sad, we'll be mostly seeing pop music products go exclusively to singles for the plain reason this is how they work best (there's not coherence between the tracks in the album, no message, no chapters).

      As the labels lose more and more ground under their feet, independents artists will feel more confidence to pick their own music format to offer to their fans.
    • I see it both ways. On one hand, a good band that makes a good album can tell a good story, or at least create a good set of songs. On the other hand, plenty of bands have a couple of good hits, and the rest are just filler. I guess it depends on the bands you listen to and the genres you are interested in. I know what I like. Personally, I like Kamelot, Indigo Girls, Black Eyed Peas, Creed, Lorena McKinett, and a range of other people you may or may not have heard of. Some of you may look at my 4 cho
    • Would anyone really prefer a world without albums like Sgt. Pepper, What's Goin' On, It Takes a Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back, Electric LadyLand, Dark Side of The Moon, Kind of Blue, Purple Rain, etc, to be replaced by a bunch of singles?

      Really good albums are rare -- always have been, and always will be. Those with the talent and desire to compose them will still be able to, and those who cannot will not be compelled to. If anything, pure digital distribution helps to level the playing field so more
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Phanatic1a ( 413374 )
      Albums are like a complete work

      The RIAA has been pushing that line ever since Sgt. Pepper, because that lets them package music in a way that's more convenient to them. All they need to do is find a hit single, wrap it in an album's worth of crap, and sell it for $18. Here's a great article [molanphy.com] on the conflict between selling the single and selling the album. You speak of Sgt. Pepper? Fine. But you ignore the marginalization of whole genres of music as the push for the concept album came to dominate the in
  • The Fake Steve Blog had the absolute best analogy for the music business and digital delivery and the iTunes Store [blogspot.com]:

    Ironically the mistake the major labels made was the same one that IBM made when it gave the DOS franchise to Microsoft nearly 30 years ago. They were faced with a new market that they didn't understand. They had a piece of work that they couldn't do on their own or didn't want to do on their own and they didn't view it as critical or important, so they outsourced it to a partner. The partne

  • by noewun ( 591275 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:54PM (#19761109) Journal

    To the rise of FM radio in the mid to late 60s and 70s. FM was "free form" back then, which gave local DJs the ability to program a more varied and deeper set of songs, rather than the same 40 or 50 "hits" mandated by Clear Channel. Even in my early teens years (the 1980s) you could still find local radio stations which played entire albums, usually on a Friday or Saturday night. Now, of course, this is not the case. Listen to a Clear Channel-owned radio station in Minneapolis and one in Atlanta and the only difference will be the ads. No cuts from deeper on a disc, nothing weird or unusual, just the same 40 or 50 songs played over and over.

    Obviously There are other factors which influence this. Musical tastes and styles change, as in the late 1950s and early to mid 1960s, the 45 rpm single was king. But I still believe that the conglomeration and corporatization of FM radio has done enormous harm to music. And it's the main reason I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in more than a few brief snatches in several years, as whenever I give it a try I hear the same repetitive song lists over and over. I give my listening time and money to internet radio.

    • When I'm playing my own music, I have iTunes shuffle by album, so I hear one complete album, then another random one. I listen to a few genres of music, and it's just too jarring to jump between some of them for a single track.

      When I'm bored with my own music, I listen to Radio Paradise. It doesn't play albums, but each small group of songs (usually 3-5) is selected to flow together to the extent that I fairly often don't notice where one ended and the next began.

      My point (assuming I have one) is tha

  • A Number Of Reasons (Score:3, Interesting)

    by BryanL ( 93656 ) <lowtherbfNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday July 05, 2007 @07:58PM (#19761155)
    1. The cost of an album is not in line with the the cost of the single. Singles on an album are songs with the greatest value in terms of demand. Labels can charge a buck because people will pay it. People will not pay a buck a piece for the filler songs.

    2. Maybe singles are selling because labels are focusing on making good singles (though that is debatable). At the least they are working harder to market them.

    3. Singles sell because radio plays the single and nothing else on the album. Radio exposure = sales.

    4. CD is the medium of albums and downloaded files are the medium of the single. As music downloads go up, so does the sales of singles.

    5. As a correlary, as oulets for CDs sales dry-up, so do sales of CDs (I.E. B&M stores).
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    • Personally, I like the fact that channels like SciFi are basically subsidized by the people who subscribe to cable mostly for ESPN1/2/3/4..

      Otherwise it just wouldn't exist... shows would get canceled after one episode if they aren't immediate hits.
  • This isn't quite right. The record companies biggest mistake appears to be 'trying to schedule creativity' and everyone should know that can't be done. The result is what people call 'filler'. If there are more than two tracks I consider 'filler', they've lost my business. I don't think many people over 20 buy singles and that's a problem. I purchase about five 'current' albums a year and many times more older ones. I've learned a hard lesson a few times: Nothing worse than buying an album to find out the o
  • Well, I guess I'm screwed then, since what I want are good albums not the ability to just buy the single.

    I may be wrong here, but I'm thinking that if you can't manage to put out a good album, that single of yours is probably not all that fantastic anyway.
  • Traditionally hit songs have been a come on to buy the albums. Why not just produce hits singles? Well that's very much like picking the next hot stock only far worse. It's almost like picking winning lottery tickets. If they stopped producing albums and strickly produced singles then most of the profit would disappear as well as most of the professional music. It's not a matter of the customer is always right it's a capitalist system and is profit driven. No profit, no music.
  • The thing I like about singles is it lets the consumer decide. I can pay $10 for an entire album, or $1 for just the song(s) I want. The power is in the consumer's hands.

    Most "albums" of today are simply a bunch of singles strung together. Very few tell a story. Hopefully though, this will inspire artists to create a more cohesive album when they feel so inclined.

    A popular artist might be very successful releasing 10-15 singles, all independant of each other... or might decide to tell a story, write an
  • ...if I could only find what I'm looking for.

    The vast majority of the time, when there is a specific album I want to buy I have to hunt around and around for it.

    This happens for the more obscure stuff, but also for some of the more popular artists. Last week I spent WAY too much time looking for the new Björk album.

    It reminds me a bit of when I first started using bittorrent. There were no meta-meta torrent search engines, and no massive trackers. You had to look around at a lot of small (and some

  • by night_flyer ( 453866 ) on Thursday July 05, 2007 @09:50PM (#19762367) Homepage
    here's billboard's Top 10

    1) Rihanna "Umbrella"
    2) Shop Boyz "Party Like A Rock Star"
    3) Fergie "Big Girls Don't Cry"
    4) Plain White T's "Hey There Delilah"
    5) T-Pain "Buy U A Drank (Shawty Snappin')"
    6) Maroon 5 "Makes Me Wonder"
    7) Avril Lavigne "Girlfriend"
    8) Justin Timberlake "Summer Love"
    9) Amy Winehouse "Rehab"
    10) Fabolous "Make Me Better"
    • Can you show me the Billboard Top 10 for any month in history that is just chock-full of talent, as opposed to being filled with well-marketed acts which happened to catch a passing fancy of the public? (Nothing categorically wrong with passing fancies, incidentally. I actually *like* Avril Lavigne in moderation. Not everything needs to be fine art, and fine art doesn't need to sell 10 million copies to be validated.)
      • by slashdot.org ( 321932 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @06:02AM (#19765251) Homepage Journal
        Can you show me the Billboard Top 10 for any month in history that is just chock-full of talent, as opposed to being filled with well-marketed acts which happened to catch a passing fancy of the public?

        although not really my taste, Dec. 20, 1969 might do: [salon.com]

        No. 1, "Abbey Road," the Beatles
        No. 2, "Led Zeppelin II," Led Zeppelin
        No. 3, "Tom Jones Live in Las Vegas," Tom Jones
        No. 4, "Green River," Creedence Clearwater Revival
        No. 5, "Let It Bleed," the Rolling Stones
        No. 6, "Santana," Santana
        No. 7, "Puzzle People," the Temptations
        No. 8, "Blood Sweat & Tears," Blood Sweat & Tears
        No. 9, "Crosby, Stills & Nash," Crosby, Stills & Nash
        No. 10, "Easy Rider" soundtrack (featuring the Byrds, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and Steppenwolf)
  • The industry should be paying closer attention to its meteoric rise

    Meteors don't rise. They fall. "Meteoric rise" refers to something brief and transitory, like the track of a meteor which lasts for but a brief moment before disappearing; if you wish to say that a current seen trend is the way things are going to be for a while, "meteoric" is the opposite of what you should be calling it.
  • The overprocessed formalized music is bad enough, but going to single only will really kill the music scene. LONG LIVE OLD SCHOOL!!!

    A lot of groups initial releases wasn't their best material so the groups and the public will be losing the opportunity to hear those songs. Plus it was nice to hear a sampler of what a performer or group could do.

    Instead of pushing for singles I would be pushing for more music and videos on CD's.
  • 3" CD-Singles were a big hit c. 1990, but the record industry killed them in order to sell more full-length CDs. Now it looks like they don't have a choice in the digital era but to sell singles.
  • DJs (Score:3, Informative)

    by Tweekster ( 949766 ) on Friday July 06, 2007 @12:18AM (#19763365)
    The only people i know that buy (and they download too, but they buy a hell of a lot) singles are DJs that spin them at clubs etc.

    I cant believe success is judged by singles.
    Albums are what they measure platinum records in

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