A Commonsense Proposal On Net Radio Rates 94
quark235 tips us to an open letter to the RIAA, proposing a fairer royalty structure for Net radio, written by Paul A. Gathard. Gathard is president of Barnabus Road Media, a company that provides streaming radio services to commercial and non-commercial stations across the US. He contends that his proposed rate structure, if implemented, would actually result in higher total revenues to SoundExchange than their current proposal would, after it kills off 90% of Net radio stations.
Feeding the trolls (Score:1, Funny)
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Not the point. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Don't forget... (Score:2)
Sounds like a song... (Score:1)
Lying awake intent at browsing in on you.
If it was dial-up it didn't stop you coming through.
Ooh-ah oh
RIAA killed the internet radio stars
RIAA killed the internet radio stars
etc.
In a weird and twisted way.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sure but how many times can you listen to "A Walk in the Black Forest" [wikipedia.org]?
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True, but this might just weaken their case a little bit. The whole premise of the RIAA has been that Net Radio hurts the artists. If you can show, with some accounting integrity and verifiability, that an alternative scheme would allow for both higher royalties *and* the existence of net radio, then a reasonable judge (or congress hopefully) would be less willing to summarily grant the ridiculous new royalty rates. In other words, it forces the RIAA
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I have a good amount... (Score:1)
I still can't believe SoundExchange has the right to do what they're doing.
Re:I have a good amount... (Score:4, Informative)
I still can't believe SoundExchange has the right to do what they're doing.
In the music industry anymore there are so many middlemen and markups that everyone is being charged way too much and it seems like the profits are going to everyone except the artist. I feel that internet radio playing music under copyright shouldn't be free, but the ad revenues should go directly back to the artists and not the scum (like SoundExchange) that are trying to make something from nothing. There are advertisers and such along the way that actually provide a valuable service which increase the overall cost, but other than that the music industry has reached the point of ridiculousness.
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Wait a minute. Are you saying that ANY str
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Wait a minute. Are you saying that ANY streaming audio (video too?) on the internet is subject to paying SoundExchange? What if I am streaming my own personal music? What about if a band I'm in, streams out songs (assuming unsigned band)? Can I be reading this correctly? I find it hard to believe that if I stream audio that isn't copyright protected...I have to pay anybody squat....
um, his point is radio should be free, I agreed with is point in that case. In summary, no, you aren't reading that correctly.
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In this day and age, computing costs by individual song played shouldn't be a big deal.
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Why? If they are playing copyrighted music, why should they not follow the same rules as the commercial stations?
Most of the sites that I've been to have some form of advertising. If they are using music to bring people to their site and they are making money by ad views, their purpose is not a whole lot different than commercial stations. They just make a bunch less money at it.
If the sites make money - over and above operating cos
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and if they aren't playing copyrighted music?
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What if Joe Sixpack just wants to stream music off his site...for free? No revenues collect at all? No ads, just doing it for fun?
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Re:I have a good amount... (Score:5, Informative)
OK, do you know how much over-the-air commercial radio stations pay to the RIAA for recording royalties? It *is* $0.
It seems to be a little known fact, but regular over-the-airwave radio, since its inception, has only had to pay songwriting royalties (i.e., those collected by ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC) for any songs they broadcast, but have never had to pay recording royalties ("mechanicals", in the trade). Why? Because it was always seen as a mutually beneficial arrangement: the radio station gets to sell advertising time over free use of the recordings, the copyright holders of the recording get free exposure which helps them sell records.
The whole point here is that they *do* want different rules for internet radio...that the RIAA thinks internet radio *should* pay mechanical royalties over-the-air broadcasters don't, and they've been doing this for over 12 years now, and it most definitely *has* hurt internet radio.
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If commercial radio stations aren't paying any royalties or fees, then the Internet radio stations should be given the same consideration.
What? And give up their carrot-and-stick game? (Score:4, Informative)
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Except it isn't about income... (Score:5, Insightful)
When that has been dealt with the income issue will be revisited. Raising income is a lot easier when your monopoly is still intact, maintain the monopoly and the income will come anyway. Currently it is the monopoly that is being defended and any plan which does not include maintaining the monopoly is a bad idea, even when it increases revenue.
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Great post.
The RIAA doesn't want a fair rate structure (Score:2)
Revenue isn't the issue here, DRM is... (Score:4, Insightful)
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I corrected that for you.
They don't want it to work yet. While DRM is useless, politicians & the general public wont see the real harm in it. If a politician knows anything about DRM.. he/she will probably just know that most DRM gets broken (you wont see many 'DRM Brand XX is secure' news stories) so they really wont see the problem with laws that mandate DRM. They might have heard of ICT (Image Constraint Token) in HDTV but the broadcasters won't be using it so thats not a pro
And this proposal will be accepted? (Score:1)
don't be silly (Score:2)
if we have a problem: sue sombody!
problem solved, end of story
Summary reminds me of a priceless Idiocracy quote (Score:5, Funny)
"Joe stated his case logically and passionately, but his perceived effeminate voice only drew big gales of stupid laughter."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2izZYZVhEA [youtube.com]
I rest my case.
The important question... (Score:2)
"They're... what plants crave?"
I don't Understand (Score:1)
And in France? (Score:2, Interesting)
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I am in no way affiliated with them.
The only prob I find is their application (flash) hanging every so often.. but youll see its worth their novel approach.
Let the server overload begin..sigh..lol
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Excellent site.
Make rates based on time listened (Score:2)
I do agree with the argument that the webcasters should be providing more detailed information on what is being played. That would give more accurate distribution back to the arti
Solution: Avoid RIAA Music (Score:2)
I say let them raise the rates and then spread the word that internet stations just need to avoid all labels in the RIAA to avoid getting slammed.
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Re:Solution: Avoid RIAA Music (Score:5, Informative)
No. The royalties are collected for all songs played, even those from independent labels. Independent artists have the option of registering with SoundExchange so they may receive royalties collected on their behalf, less SoundExchange's fee.
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-Rick
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They do if they play music.
And, by the way, no "radio" stations pay these royalties, only web stations. You probably knew that, but if you didn't, you do now.
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Thank you...I pointed this out upthread. Even with all of the anti-RIAA sentiment on /., the fact that over-the-air radio does *not* have to pay any royalties to the RIAA seem to get completely lost in this discussion.
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-Rick
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-Rick
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An artist apparently may choose to negotiate deals with webcasters. I am not sure exactly how this works, but it would require the webc
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This also reminds me of discussions I read here re: the Zune attaching DRM to music files you "squirt" to your friends, regardless of the wishes of the copyright holder who may have licensed the work under something like Creative Commons.
Another thi
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Here's how I envision it working:
SoundExchange: You owe us [unholy sum] based on the number of listeners and number of songs broadcast.
Webcaster: Here's a copy of the agreement we have with the artists we broadcast. Shows Creative Commons li
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You're absolutely correct. I stated as much elsewhere, but you put it better. If a station wanted to, they could negotiate deals with independent (read non-RIAA) artists, and play their music exclusively. It's doubtful, however, that a commercial or listener-supported station could sustain itself with such a restrictive playlist. And - as you pointed out - they would spend all of their time in meetin
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You don't. I over-stated the rules in my earlier post, as was pointed out here [slashdot.org] An independent artist could negotiate deals with webcasters and I suppose notify SoundExchange that they do not wish royalties to be collected on their behalf (or maybe the webcaster would advise SoundExchange of which artists they have deals with, I'm not sure exactly how it works).
It would be a lot of work for independent artists who either repr
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No. The royalties are collected for all songs played, even those from independent labels. Independent artists have the option of registering with SoundExchange so they may receive royalties collected on their behalf, less SoundExchange's fee.
There is nothing that prevents Independent labels from writing their own contracts with internet radio station which explicitly block SoundExchange from collecting fees.
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Whether or not a commercial or listener-supported station could sustain itself by exclusively playing performances they have negotiated separate deals for is another matter, but technically, yes they have that choice.
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to pass on (minus handling fees). That's one of the major sticking points here, they're tied to the RIAA but
claim to be acting on everyone's behalf.
He obviously doesn't understand (Score:3, Insightful)
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Same to you (Score:1)
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Still beggin their masters... (Score:5, Interesting)
Begging is going to get you very little, but working directly with the very labels and artists in an organized fashion and you'll be able to by-pass the RIAA in this regard (largely) altogether. Setup a foundation to be a industry friendly clearing-house to handle limited blanket licensing in terms the industry finds acceptable. Most labels want protection (from piracy and misuse) but also want exposure. With a little will (and funding) I think there would only be a few majors that would hold out. The same ones that want the market to be smaller in the first place. Which really would be a win-win. RIAA exclusive labels/artists could limit their exposure and practice the same kinds of influence they've become accustomed to. Smaller or more open labels and artists could continue to gain exposure and change the very markets the RIAA is trying to limit.
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I recently registered broadcastbroker.{org,net,co.uk,org.uk} with exactly this in mind. Please get in touch if you're interested in taking this further.
I'd love to be... (Score:2)
Not that I'm trying to be discouraging. It may well be easier then all that or maybe you've worked out a great way to make it happen (or maybe you're just dedicated enough). I already wo
Wow, capital G! (Score:1)
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Wide Response? (Score:2, Interesting)
However, as a talking point:
Consider if the ripping of CDs was not done, as it currently is, in a small casual fashion. What if the entire Internet community made a concerted, extensive, and prolonged effort to copy and post CD tracks?
Not just the few thousand or so which currently do it, but millions?
Do you think that would get anyones attention?
Understand the audience (Score:4, Insightful)
The author isn't trying to persuade the RIAA to be fair, that's impossible. That's why he wrote an open letter; a letter to the public ostensibly addressed to, but not really intended for, the RIAA.
The music business and its RIAA front will not change their agenda. They've given Congress their marching orders, accompanied by bales of money. Politicians understand that voters often vote for the candidate with the largest budget for ads. And it's not just the direct campaign contributions, it's that most of the music business is owned by media companies, the companies that own the TV and radio stations, newspapers, and even web sites that politicians advertize with. Why do you suppose that newspapers NEVER challenge the RIAA spin on any story?
The letter is intended for the public, and voters in particular. Politicans need cover before standing up to the RIAA. When voters write and call, that helps counter the RIAA fundraising. Float a fair and reasonable proposal, and shift the burden to the RIAA of explaining the RIAA plan.
Write or call your elected officials. Many would like to do the right thing. Give them hope that doing the right thing won't end their careers.
Most of my music doesn't come from RIAA (Score:1)
Very little of the money paid to RIAA that is supposed to go to artists and songwriters actually gets to traditional jaz
The real victims... (Score:2, Insightful)
I listen to this station a lot ( Radio Kansas [radiokansas.org]). They have several local programs that can't be heard anywhere else. It's wonderful programming but the funding comes from community support (i.e.: contributions). As stated on their online streaming service:
Barack Obama has this to say about the RIAA (Score:2, Interesting)
Date: Aug 11, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Message from Senator Barack Obama
To: f@1c0bird@gmail.com
Thank you for conveying your strong feelings about the Recording
Industry Association of America (RIAA) and their contributions to
political candidates.
First, as a candidate for president I do not accept contributions
from any federal lobbyists or political action committees. Thus, I
have not accepted any contribution from the RIAA for this campaign.
Second, I fu
SoundExchange has quashed broadcast podcast... (Score:2)
However, while I'm disappointed I can't listen to those radio programs anymore, I'm thinking this could ultimately end up being a boon to free independent music streams that aren't connected to broad