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Ex-HP CEO Carly Fiorina Hired By Fox News 256

neutrino38 writes "The International Herald Tribune reports that Fox News hired Carly Fiorina, ex-HP CEO. Such an interesting move will certainly bring support to those who viewed her as the over-hyped CEO who killed the original corporate engineering culture know as 'the HP way.' The article, off course, does not elaborate on this aspect of things. Slashdot has previously reported her demise from HP and some comments mentioned some HP employee dancing in the cubicles then."
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Ex-HP CEO Carly Fiorina Hired By Fox News

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  • by pentalive ( 449155 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:21AM (#20927097) Journal
    Do you think that the "original corporate engineering culture know as 'the HP way'" is returning or has returned to hp?
    • by rubycodez ( 864176 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:29AM (#20927263)
      no, they finished laying off all the good engineers over a year ago, they're going down the crapper. still pushing technology customers don't need and don't want, like itanium2 and freakin' ethernet NFS/CFS NAS appliances in front of fibre SAN for "high performance databases" to protect the customer "from having to deal with complexity of fibre SAN and disk arrays".
      • no, they finished laying off all the good engineers over a year ago, they're going down the crapper.

        What a dumb thing to say. Really. I'd hold the engineering talent in my lab up to that of any other top tier organization in any other company. Interestingly enough, and counter to your argument, it's most often the case that when a lab or product line is shuts down (and this is the same for almost any employer), the top 10%-20% are readily scooped up somewhere else within the company. The rest? Well...

      • Are you implying 10gigabit iSCSI is because of people that don't want to deal with the complexity of 8gigabit fabric switches which cost twice as much and requires all new wiring. I think both most definitely have their places in any organization which actually requires a SAN.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by whoda ( 569082 )
      No it hasn't and it never will.

      When Dave Packard died, upper management and the bean counters started salivating.
      When Bill Hewlett died in 2001, these same people instantly sought to change the "HP Way" to try and get a couple more percent in growth. The rest is modern history.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by olyar ( 591892 )

      I have a slightly different perspective than some other poster, I suppose.

      The two way trust between management and the employees that Bill and Dave cultivated went away with Carly. Any HP employee who was there can tell you about the key event that started this shift.

      Having worked at HP, and at other places, I do think that the HP Way still has some life in the way employees there treat one another. There is a level of decency in the way people treat one another that - I think - is a remnant of the o

  • by griffjon ( 14945 ) <GriffJon@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:22AM (#20927127) Homepage Journal
    I hope she brings Fox the same integrity and good business sense that she brought to HP.
    • Re:Best of luck! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sg3000 ( 87992 ) * <> on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:28AM (#20927235)
      > I hope she brings Fox the same integrity and good business sense that she brought to HP.

      I'm sure we will.

      Now we'll finally get the answer to the question "Which is harder? Running a first rate company into the ground, or being a Bush economic policy apologist?"

      For those of you keeping score at home, in this corner, we have the person who helped bring down HP's stock by more than 50% [] and missed earnings targets []. In the other corner, we have the economic policy that turned $250 billion budget surpluses under Clinton into $300 billion budget deficit [] in just two years!

      Sounds like a perfect match.
      • by hal9000(jr) ( 316943 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:58AM (#20927667)
        In the other corner, we have the economic policy that turned $250 billion budget surpluses under Clinton into $300 billion budget deficit in just two years!

        While I am not a fan of Bush, the deficit slide can't be blamed entirely on Bushes economic plan. The magnitude, sure, but the slide started long before. The forecasters of the OMB were overly optimistic about the dotcom boom and expected it to last forever. When the bust happened, not only did a lot of money dry up, but the expected capital gains taxes forcast dried up too. That and the balanced budget bill lapsed. Congress started spending. So alot of things happened in the span of a few short years some of which can be blamed on President Bush.

        BTW, The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World by Alan Greenspan has a pretty good overview of that happened in addition to prividing insight into how the guy got to be so smart. It's good reading.
        • Congress started spending.

          Funny that he'll veto (revenue-neutral) stem-cell research, but won't use his veto pen to enforce that wonderful Republican virtue of "fiscal responsibility"...
          • Funny that he'll veto (revenue-IMPACTING) EMBRYONIC stem-cell research FUNDING
            Fixed that for you.

            "Correcting lies on Slashdot since 1999"
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Grishnakh ( 216268 )
            "Fiscal responsibility", while still touted by Republican apologists and a few old-school Republicans, is no longer part of the Republican Party's credo. Now, they believe dogmatically in deficit spending. Basically, since the government can print money, they think the government should print more money for the Federal Reserve, borrow it, and then spend it. Since they're just borrowing on America's future value, which in their view is infinite, there's really no end to the gravy train: they can spend as
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by zippthorne ( 748122 )
          Everyone seems to think Greenspan is this really smart dude, but he's not, and if he is, he is the most Machiavellian bastard ever to chair a quasi-governmental agency.

          Let's look at the evidence.

          In the months leading up to the 2000 election (roughly 18ish), the Fed continued to raise rates despite low inflation numbers. Indeed despite candidate Bush being lambasted for "talking down the economy" for warning of the very recession he would be blamed for in the coming months. There was much discussion about w
          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by geekoid ( 135745 )
            The fact the the Bush administration wouldn't let him continue his plan after 2000 had nothing to do with it at all.

            ". Its flaws are glaringly obvious to anyone capable of conceiving it. "

            You are applying hindsight and finding patterns in noise.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by hondo77 ( 324058 )

          While I am not a fan of Bush, the deficit slide can't be blamed entirely on Bushes economic plan. The magnitude, sure, but the slide started long before.

          Part of leadership is responding to change. How did the Bush administration respond to an impendining budget shortfall? By cutting taxes on the wealthy. How did the Bush administration respond to an actual budget shortfall? By staying the course. How did the Bush administration respond to the increased expenditures required by this unending B.S. war? By

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by timeOday ( 582209 )
          I think the worst thing Bush has done for the economy may have been our response to 911. Yes, it was a terrible attack that demanded a response. But everything we have done since then amplifies its effects. We've hyped the notion that terrorism is now an overwhelming problem which will plague us at least for the next generation or two, and that perpetual warfare is the answer. All this, basically in response to an attack carried out by 19 guys with a modicum of training, who all died in the attack.


    • by deniable ( 76198 )
      Wait until they hire Patricia Dunn. You could have the Carly and Patti show. They could give advice on how to run a business the right way.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by jimicus ( 737525 )
        You could have the Carly and Patti show. They could give advice on how to run a business the right way.

        So presumably all a budding exec would have to do would be to carefully watch the show, then go into work and do the exact opposite?

        Sounds like a plan to me.
    • by jollyreaper ( 513215 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:57AM (#20927653)

      I hope she brings Fox the same integrity and good business sense that she brought to HP.
      So now I'll need a 500mb driver every time I tune in to Fox? Just another reason not to.
    • by WindowlessView ( 703773 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:03PM (#20927753)

      And Lucent. Let's never forget the fine job she did there.

      It's an astounding accomplishment to drive two of the world's premier engineering organizations into the ground within a decade. Truly Fox worthy.

      • by deniable ( 76198 )

        Truly Fox worthy.

        Jeff Foxworthy? [] I feel a "you might be a redneck joke coming." Either that or is she smarter than a fifth grader.
        • I feel a "you might be a redneck joke coming."

          Okay. You might be a redneck if you eat Jeff Foxworthy Beef Jerky. (I kid you not. I saw it in a store the other day)

          How does that work for you? =]
      • Don't for get Compaq, the merger didn't do them (or their customers) any favors either....
    • Fox already has the quality and integrity that HP acquired during her stay.
  • by mfh ( 56 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:23AM (#20927149) Homepage Journal
    ... is another organization's treasure!

    They should have got her for Surreal Life [], but I'm sure Fox News will find something stupid for her to say.
  • In other news, Fiorina will push to aquire the "We Network", rename it to "You" to make it more personal, and later merge it with Fox.

    The new network, of course, will be:Fox-You

    Coming soon to a boardroo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcable provider near you!

  • Oblig. Final Fantasy 7 reference:

    Keep goin'?! Current battle points: 10
    Off course! No, way!
  • by jkrise ( 535370 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:27AM (#20927221) Journal
    Or will it be someone else pretending to be her, but pocketing the money nevertheless?

    I forget the interesting euphemism they had for 'lying' on the phone... anyone remember?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Dielectric ( 266217 )
      That would be pretexting.

      Obligatory "screw you!!1!" to Carly for messing up the calculator division.
  • by pzs ( 857406 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:31AM (#20927309)

    According to this comment [], Carly feasted on the souls of thousands of decent tech workers at HP. Where is she going to find a soul at Fox News?

    I have visions of her, the arch-liche and Bill O'Reilly, some kind of undead bear, chucking mega spells at each other across the office.


  • by Presence1 ( 524732 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:36AM (#20927381) Homepage
    As mentioned in TFA, Fox is planning to start a new business news channel, to compete with CNBC. Interesting that TFA makes no mention of her anticipated role in the new organization.

    The man they hired to run the new news channel, Roger Ailes, also helped start CNBC.

    The WSJ has an agreement with CNBC to provide content. The WSJ also just got bought by Rupert Murdoch's empire, which also owns Fox. Ailes says that there won't be a conflict.

    Ailes also gives a lot more info here in this interview: []

    Should be interesting.
    • I'd imagine that her contribution will be to answer really tough questions, like "Carly, would you view the latest White House economic policy as merely really great, or super hyper great?"
    • ..wouldn't it? She's good enough to do a lot more for Fox News.
    • Hmm, so the WSJ did actually sell out. Last I heard, the controlling family was holding out for more money and Murdoch walked away and everyone else interested did the same.

      Maybe he was just calling out the chickens who where attempting to bid the cost up on him. But I'm glad to finally hear that he got it.
    • by Knara ( 9377 )

      I don't *really* get how they could compete. CNBC is already fully staffed with market cheerleaders, "free market conservatives", and amoral trading shows (not that I necessarily think those things are bad).

      It *would* be pretty funny if they created a network that was based on "values investing", or better yet, "socially responsible" investing. Would really show in a brighter light how FOX isn't news, just entertainment for the neo-con crowd.

    • She's described in the IHT article as being hired as a "contributor". The folks who are normally described as contributors on FNC appear on various programs to provide their opinions, but typically don't have journalistic duties. (Some contributors are journalists for other publications.)
    • Roger Ailes? News? (Score:4, Informative)

      by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @01:13PM (#20928877) Homepage
      Surely Roger Ailes was the head propagandist for Richard Nixon's campaign? The one that designed the non-issues-oriented feel-good ads? The one that combatted Nixon's reputation for being an geeky, aloof guy by putting him into controlled situations where he appeared to be surrounded by ordinary citizens asking "spontaneous," scripted, softball questions?

  • by pandrijeczko ( 588093 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @11:54AM (#20927623)
    ...she got in a lot of good practice at Lucent Technologies also.
  • At least we know that Fox's new business venture isn't going to go very far.

    Do you suppose they'll hire someone from Enron to manage programming?
  • Fox news also has Oliver North []. Fox news keeps strange company. I question their choice in consultants. I'm glad I do not get my news from Fox.
  • by harshmanrob ( 955287 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:04PM (#20927761) Journal
    Let's hope she can succeed at running Fox News into the ground. Fortunately, she was unable to do that at HP but if she had stayed any longer, she would have. She can get on the economic segments and tell people how ordering Compaq to fire workers and rehire them at half the pay and no benefits as contractors is a good model for a takeover. And then fired HP employees after the merger, keeping those contractors. She can say how outsourcing is good for the economy as she fired MORE HP workers for those Indian call centers.

    Carly, you're a FUCKING BITCH! (and go ahead, moderate me down to a score of zero, I do not care. She is a bitch who destroyed lives and everyone here knows it).
  • Last Days of HP (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:05PM (#20927779)
    I was a contractor at HP for 2-1/2 years that covered the last days of Lew Platt and the first days of Carley. From what I observed, the decline had started, due to the economy weakening during that time, before Carley.

    When I started at HP they were much like the way Google is described to be now. While I'd have to say that Google is HP on steroids, since HP offered great coffee, tea, and often sweet rolls in the well-equipped snack nooks around the cubical farms, and a well-subsidized cafeteria -- in contrast, Google offers free meals and transportation, among other amenities -- but the idea was the same. HP employees had a lot of freedom towards arranging their own transportation to other HP sites as they determined their requirements to be, specified and ordered their own personal computer equipment including printers, and generally were given a lot of freedom to do their jobs.

    Over the next year and a half under Lew, much of that went away in ways that make it clear it would never return. It was belt tightening time, and a lot of it happened in areas like this one, including two job freezes.

    When Carley did arrive, she was very warmly received by all of HP. There was great enthusiasm -- and perhaps not too much looking back at what she'd (un)accomplished at Lucient. Right up to the time I left, pretty much everyone was behind her, and much jazzed about having a woman CEO -- and a relatively young woman at that.

    Yes things got worse after that in ways are that well known. But in fairness, I saw the first signs of decline before she ever arrived.

    Best Carley joke from that era: After she visited our facility (contractors not allowed to attend the actual meeting) we were told that the lovely palm trees in the courtyard were going to be cut down after Carley had found out that they weren't going to meet their 15% growth target for the next year.

    • Re:Last Days of HP (Score:5, Interesting)

      by DrVomact ( 726065 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @02:40PM (#20930165) Journal

      It is true that there was a period of increasing frugality at HP just before C. Fiorina's advent, but that was truly due to economic conditions, and HP was handling the crisis in its traditional way: instead of laying off employees, HP was saving money in other ways. After all, this was the company that once temporarily cut everyone's salary by about 15% instead of having layoffs. (The reductions were restored when times got better.)

      It was only under C.F.'s reign that layoffs were first introduced. However, I do not believe that the reasons for these layoffs were primarily economic—they were moral and political. HP had a well-skilled cadre of professionals with high self esteem; these people thought they mattered. C.F. perceived this as a problem; thus, she proceeded to show the technical staff of HP that they were a disposable commodity by decimating them. I use this word in the old, Roman sense: to instill a proper fear of management, to restore discipline to the level desired by the commanders, you kill a tenth of the men at random. This has a most salutory effect on the survivors.

      I worked at HP during this time. Like many, I had been an employee of a company that was bought by HP. At first, the change seemed to be benign—HP was not quite as good a place to work as my old one had been, but it was still pretty decent. That changed with the advent of C.F. It's hard to describe the feeling of helpless despair that became prevalent in my workplace as wave after wave of layoffs swept through it like a series of plagues. The first couple were justified as "getting rid of the deadwood", and you were supposed to feel good that you were not classed among the victims. With successive layoffs, the reasons became progressively thinner, until they achieved total transparency. One layoff was actually announced by management as being "random"; we were supposed think that this meant "fair".

      As any student of Josef Stalin's methods knows, the best terror is random terror. If people do not know how to behave to avoid being struck down by the Centurion's truncheon, they become paralyzed by fear. They become docile, easily managed victims that have no self-esteem, make no demands, and are neurotically eager to obey their masters. They become perfect corporate employees.

      This was not a phenomenon isolated to HP; HP merely furnishes a particularly egregious example of how the corporations dealt with a perceived threat to their sovereignty that emerged in the last two decades of the twentieth century—the rise of a new intelligentsia, composed of technically savvy "knowledge workers" who acquired a sense of empowerment through their understanding of how the new computer and communications technologies worked. This "geek" intelligentsia thought of itself as autonomous, as being outside the old paradigm of boss and peon. But the essence of corporatism is control; consequently, the corporations moved to suppress the intelligentsia using a variety of methods, both subtle and (as in HP's case) not so subtle. Today, their victory seems complete.

      Lest I be accused of digression from the topic at hand...I wonder if C.F. had to take a 25% pay cut at her new job, compared to her HP salary, as did I?

  • I hope she can get at least $21 million severence pay when she leaves Fox News, sounds like a great retirement plan IMHO
  • Why not? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ObiWanStevobi ( 1030352 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:08PM (#20927835) Journal

    Fits right in with Oliver North [], Mark Fuhrman [], Geraldo [],etc.

    Welcome to the team!

  • This is no surprise. Having worked under the skank when she was at HP, I'm not surprised she's in league with the slime over at Fox. She was the worst imperial style CEO who--though HP had just inherited several new Gulfstream jets when they purchased Compaq, Carly went out and bought two brand new jets (one which was reserved for she and her husband alone) at the same time that several thousand contractors and employees were getting axed. She was a nightmare.
  • by Morky ( 577776 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:11PM (#20927885)
    HP now dominates the Windows server space, and is #1 in PC sales and printers. They were #1 only in printers before the Compaq merger/acquisition. Maybe she didn't do so bad by HP in the long run?
  • She's managed to turn HP from one of the most efficient and highest quality manufacturers of hardware into a cheap crank-out-the-crap shack. Fired all the quality staff and hired clueless wannabes (mostly 'cause the latter are cheaper). Turned slick, quality-driven production into cumbersome, bureaucratic molasses and relied on PR and marketing as selling point instead of quality and integrity.

    Maybe she believes in karma and wants to undo in Fox what she did to HP. Because, well, Fox is already where she le
  • Who better than Carly?
  • by vtldtlm ( 723885 ) on Wednesday October 10, 2007 @12:21PM (#20928087)
    Please, please.....
  • Everyone is rolling out new business shows again, now that the stock market is on fire. Hopefully they'll last longer than the 2000 round.
  • It's not as if she were taking a real job away from a deserving person...

  • Economist held a generally favourable view [] of her work. Last year it reviewed [] her book "Tough Choices"... The second link is freely readable by all.

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