Expert Dissects Estonian Cyber-War 172
Stony Stevenson points out an iTnews summary of a security researcher's account of the cyber-attacks on Estonia last year. The full report [PDF] is also available. We've discussed this internet-based conflict in the past. From the report:
"In the days leading up to the attack, numerous clues pointed to a large-scale operation that was being planned online. Russian-language Internet discussion forums were abuzz with preparations for an online attack. Three days before the expected onslaught, Estonia planned to release the news of the coming strike in hopes that European media attention would oblige the EU to pressure the Kremlin to intervene, whether or not the attacks emanated from the Russian authorities."
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hmmm...
ping -n 5000 -l 1000 localhost
ping: cannot set preload to value > 3
did those blogs give info about how to patch and recompile your ping tool ?
4Mbps hostile traffic brought down a whole country that used to practically live on the internet ? Do they keep all their web servers on a 586 ?
Estonians use their internet banking all the time and most have not been to a bank in person in the last 10 years ?? How do they give the signature specimen for a new CC when the old one expires ?
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Estonia I can almost forgive, as they're relatively poor and didn't have much time to go from Soviet-era attitudes to something saner. They should still have done more. What bothers me much more is that the scorecards for US departments make it clear that the US is even less prepared for a cyberwar than even Balkan castoffs.
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For the rest of the world who isnt so spun up in anti-US fervor to see what the real problem is.... Vladamirs Putins political party is heavily involved in supporting "youth" organizations which can act for the state, without the state getting any stains on its hands. This may be one of those instances of ultra-nationalists, who have been backed by the state, who act "independently" for the interests of the home nation. While it is irresponsible of the Russian government to allow this type of activity to go on, it is certainly not against their best interests.
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As for the regular US government, almost all of their work involves the Internet. Losing access to email and the web would cripple the US government. Including the Department of Defense, since while all classified information goes over the aforementioned secure networks, a lot of the actual work occurs over the regular Internet since it's easier to actually use. Sure, the soldiers in the field would be able to continue dieing for a vague war on terror without the Internet, but the generals and civilian leadership back in the US would be unable to do anything except send email to soldiers.
And, of course, everything that isn't related to killing people runs over the regular Internet and would be crippled.
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Oh well thats alright then... the military can get on with its core business.
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He's talking to you, Bob.
Re:Yes, yes, and... (Score:4, Insightful)
well, if the high-tech and web savvy Estonians were not able to block the attacks, or, according to the pdf report, even accurately pinpoint the origin of the attack, how could Putin's government do that, except by cutting Russia off the internet or implementing over night a clone of the Chinese FireWall?
How about some Russians being angry about the whole monument business, and some wise guys taking advantage of that anger to help foster a "nation under siege" and do some nation-building at home ? The government of Russia itself is not innocent of this kind of tactics, proof being the last spate of "patriotic" movies, or the "Brat" series, all of them quite nauseously xenophobic ...
If the argument used is: the Russians were responsible because the attacks came from Russia, how about dropping all packets arriving from the network blocks assigned to Russia? Not the ideal situation, but at least it will allow your citizen use their online banking accounts or pay their taxes. Or maybe not all attacks originated from Russia, in which case you don't really know who did it.
How would it be in the interest of the Russian government to appear to the world as a bully? If they wanted to harm any of the Baltic states they could have arranged an "accident" on the pipes that supply them with gas ... They did not hesitate to cut the gas supply of Ukraine, with whom they have much closer and friendly ties.
This whole Russia-bashing is quite annoying. First, the cold war ended 18 years ago, and hands were shaken, cheeks were kissed, TV shows with USA and SU children holding hands were aired, promises were made that it's a peace without winners or losers, Russia let everybody go their way without much opposition and I personally saw Moskva 1 TV channel (was able to watch it because I lived just across the SU border at that time) arranging to show hot female teens saying stuff that would be unimaginable in USA or any nice Western European country, namely "For me Russia means those that want to stay".
Second, the cold war did not end because the economy of SU was in collapse or anything like this, the way those political analysts, who in 1989 were predicting the survival of the SU for the next 100 years and inventing terms such as "otomanization", are now clamoring. SU economy was in quite a poor shape, but that was the shape the SU economy was ever since 1917. The collapse began about 1991-1992, when a economy that previously functioned as a single company suddenly was split into a myriad of smaller companies that used to function under central command with their resources directed by the central planning offices and calculated to the milligram, and now did not have the staff, the know-how and the resource buffer to compete against each other. The cold war ended because the Brejnevites and the other leaders of the party wanted to legalize their privileged status, and this happened not only in SU, but in all of the Eastern Europe: just take the Top 500 list of "captains of industry" from any country you like and tabulate it against former "Foreign Trade" officials, local party leaders, diplomats etc. The match would not be perfect, fortunately, but you'll be surprised how many positives you'll find, and how few of the former members of the state apparatus in the Communist governments were left outside. If anybody still imagines that a handful of dissidents that in July 1989 were in prison or home arrest managed to topple the Communist regimes, that person is rather naive, since s/he believes that a state apparatus with complete control over the life of its citizen managed fell to the anger of the righteous.
Third, what happens right now is that Russia is pushed towards a "Weimar" scenario, with native entrepreneurs of violence doi
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well, if the high-tech and web savvy Estonians were not able to block the attacks, or, according to the pdf report, even accurately pinpoint the origin of the attack, how could Putin's government do that
Because Putin's cronies organized the protests and cyber attack.
How would it be in the interest of the Russian government to appear to the world as a bully?
Remember how Putin poisoned one of his detractors with polonium, and exotic isotope used only by Russian Intelligence which ends in a very painful death? Putin obviously WANTED his critics to know that he was willing to hunt them down and kill them wherever they are. He compares himself to STALIN, for God's sake.
This whole Russia-bashing is quite annoying.
It's not "Russia-bashing" it's "Putin-bashing", or even "neo-communist nationalist-bashing" because that's what we're attacking, no
Re:Yes, yes, and... (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't take an 'ultranationalist' in Russia to protest against the destruction of war memorials - Russia lost 30 million people in WWII (that's about 50 times more than USA lost in WWII).
Personally, I see this as an evidence of how easy is to wage electronic 'guerrilla warfare'.
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In the battle for Stalingrad, the Russian side was initially fought by DIY militias, where ordinary citizens would leap on tanks and bung Molotov cocktails down the hatches. (Americans who consider an armed citizenry to be useful against an army would be advised to remember that Stalingrad's citizens only won because
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http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch14.html [hitler.org]
And so we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre-War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the east. At long last we break of the colonial and commercial policy of the pre-War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
If we speak of soil in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.
Here Fate itself seems desirous of giving us a sign. By handing Russia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed its existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race. Numerous mighty empires on earth have been created in this way. Lower nations led by Germanic organizers and overlords have more than once grown to be mighty state formations and have endured as long as the racial nudeus of the creative state race maintained itself. For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper leading strata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated and extinguished. It has been replaced by the Jew. Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources, it is equally impossible for the Jew to maintain the mighty empire forever. He himself is no element of organization, but a ferment of decomposition. The Persian I empire in the east is ripe for collapse. And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.
(Note: When he speaks of the rule of the Jew, he is referring to Communism.)
(Note #2: When he refers to "The Persian empire in the east," I have elsewhere seen it translated as "The giant empire in the east.")
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The war memorial was moved to a Russian cemetery [turkishpress.com], not destroyed. This was far more appropriate considering that most Estonians felt that Stalin was FAR worse than Hitler. Sheesh, 10% of the Estonian adult population was deported to gulags and death camps by the Russians. Under the Nazis, if you weren't Roma, gay, or Jewish, you were OK. [I'm not saying that the Nazis were nice folks. On the contrary, they were horrid too.]
So the bear rescued the rabbit from the falcon, the bear still tried eating the rabbit. It's either disingenuous or ignorant to claim that the rabbit ought to be thanking the bear.
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The racial makeup of Stalins henchmen changed over time - quite dramatically. The Cheka (the first incarnation of the KGB) was principally staffed by people of Latvian and Polish descent until the mid-1930s when it was purged for the first time. The next "generation" of operatives had a much more mixed ethnic background. The Politburo itself contained a veritable mix of nationalities from Russians like Molotov and Voroshilov to Ukrainians like Kruschev (even Beria was from a different ethnic group to Stalin
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It does take a rather brainwashed person to see all the lies about "destruction" on the state-owned TV and believe it without double-checking. Russian TV channels were feeding not only propaganda, but outright lies, even showing a picture of the statue's feet standing on the pedestal, the rest apparently torn off (the pic was later found out to be photoshopped). Meanwhile, everyone who had been tracking the e
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It doesn't make a difference - it's no less offensive.
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Estonians destroyed the war memorial by moving the statue to another place. Also, it was done several days before the May 9 ("Victory Day") to add even more insult.
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That is the only plausible explaination that I see for people that see relocation as destruction.
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You see, Estonia is openly Russophobic - a quarter of Russians live there as 'aliens' (without rights to vote, etc.) even though they were born in Estonia (while it was a part of USSR). It was another reason the destruction of the memorial had such a great effect.
Another interesting fact:
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Or another example: what if someone decides to build a brothel on the site of WTC towers?
"It doesn't even look like it's really about WWII memorials, that was over six decades ago now, now it's just a bitter grudge."
You don't UNDERSTAND the impact of WWII. Jews still talk about the Holocaust and Russia lost 6-8 times more people in that war.
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They've started doing so after they've been caught lying. Before that, they were foaming at the mouth about how the move was extremely destructive (on RTR, it was told that, in order to move the monument, it was "cut into pieces" - that's when the photoshopped legs-alone-on-pedestal pic was showed on TV; here's another such article [news.ntv.ru] on NTV web site - notice how it also mentions that the monument has been "cut into par
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If it was easy, I'd think it would be done far more often. It's harder than real guerrilla warfare because those waging it need to have a fair amount of technical knowledge in order to make the tools and carry out the attack. The tools to carry out a real guerrilla attack can be made with far simpler technologies invented seven or so decades ago.
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As for tools - they are easy to get. And there's a surprising number of people who can use it.
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Oh, and you really do not need any sort of government backing to mount a pretty massive cyber-attack on Estonia here. Most Russians hate the Baltic countries (thanks to all the Russian TV propaganda about suppressing the Russian minority and glorious marches of SS veterans that happen there), there are plenty of semi-serious jokes about "our tanks in Riga (/Vilnius/Tallinn)" etc. All that was needed was a spark, and the events in Estonia gave it. I would be surprised if the "youth org" members didn't heavily participate (for one, because they are strongly brainwashed), or that there was tacit government support for that. But it's hardly organized by the Russian state as a whole.
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Those youth organisations still have a use. They were recently employed to picket the premises and harass the employees of the British Council [wikipedia.org] (the Wikipedia article includes information on the Russian difficulties. This is part of an attempt to intimidate the British government in the ongoing diplomatic shenanigans surrounding the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.
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The US government uses networks completely disconnected from the internet to conduct its real business, as posted repeatedly on slashdot.
This is incredibly wrong. The US military uses a disconnected network "SIPRNet" for SOME classified information and communication between military equipment (tanks reporting their position to the command center). That's it. Every other part of the US government, like the IRS and the FBI, use the public internet as do all local and state agencies. Yes, the IRS transfers your tax data on the public internet.
Vladamirs Putins political party is heavily involved in supporting "youth" organizations which can act for the state,
You are right in thinking this was probably a staged attack by the Russian government.
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Estonia is doing some interesting things [www.vvk.ee] online. They seem to have progressed from that Soviet era attitude you mention.
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Actually, Estonia isn't very poor. They're a member of the E.U. They're the wealthiest of the Baltic States and their market economy has "one of the highest per capita income levels of Central Europe" (CIA World Factbook [cia.gov]). Their unemployment is comparable to the U.S., at just 5.2%. They're actually quite modern. Most of their population files tax returns online. Does that sound like a poverty-struck backwards nation to you?
There's nothing very Soviet about them, really. They speak their own language, Estonian, which is quite similar to Finnish. Estonia and Finland have very close ties, culturally and financially.
You're clearly thinking of some other Estonia.
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He must've been thinking of Elbonia.
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Its humor, not flamebait.
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Even real oddities can occur ie. when you charge for traffic across a network, DDOS attacks can prove very profitable to those selling bandwidth and it would actually cost them money without any financial return to stop them.
So it requires legislation to force privatised infrastructure provi
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In the US, it was all about "mercury based preservatives" causing untold woe and suffering.
In the UK, it was all "oh it'll give you autism."
Both claims were basically specious, and they were both cut from the same cloth -- luddism. There is, and has been since pretty much their inception, a staunch group of idiots that want to do away with vaccines, God only knows why.
I'm beyond cynical when it comes to the behaviour of pharmaceutical companies ("social anxiety," anyone?), but you're basically invoking a conspiracy theory in an attempt to discredit epidemiology. If you're going to attack a fundamentally sound discipline, you're going to have to do better than misunderstandings of chemistry and "oh, that nasty Big Pharma wants to kill you" rhetoric.
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Well chaaa... dead people make lousy customers. Sick people on the other hand...
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were they losing jobs ? Not really.
That's exactly what was happening: companies used technology to transfer people from redundant tedious work into more profitable specialty area
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In my opinion I think the safety levels for something that's compulsory for _everybody_ should be higher than medical treatment that's elective.
For treatment that's elective it's not too bad if 0.1% have serious problems - since you only take it if the doctor thinks you're sick, and there's a good chance that it'll help.
Whereas if you have 1 million _required_ to take it, even if only 0.01% have serio
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And perhaps there are other people damaged just not as severely.
After all, apparently a lot of people voted Bush back in for a second term
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Gadi Evron, while undeniably prolific, is questionably informed. Take what he has to say with a grain of salt, and don't for a second believe there's anything more involved here than using well-known industry best-practices for evaluating vulnerable infrastructure and dealing with this type of traffic.
We now return to your regularly scheduled cross-post flame-fest between nanog and full-disclosure.
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Too bad. (Score:5, Interesting)
As continuously pointed out, an IP address does not identify an individual. Today, with today's laws, unless you leave clear tracks to other forms of identification just having an IP address does not connect a deed with an individual. You can threaten, harass, and, yes, DDoS, with impunity. I don't see this changing anytime soon.
This pretty much means that any real online presence lives or dies by how much they draw attention to themselves and how motivated the attackers are. Estonia sounds like they were particularly vulnerable with little in the way of offline backup for basic services. This is not true in the US today, but it could easily be that way tomorrow. Could a group of disgruntled folks cripple government services in the US? Maybe. Given the current climate with laws, enforcement and international cooperation, there is no way that anyone outside the US would ever be prosecuted unless they bragged about what they did.
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IPs can be faked, and trying to track down a specific IP across uncooperative ISPs and political borders is a fools errand.
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I was close to participation (Score:3, Insightful)
Let God/History/Nature/whatever be the judge for Estonians, not me. If they prefer Nazis over Soviets, so be it. They made their choice.
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For Estonia, it's their country, they can do whatever they want with some statue that they never asked for. If moving the statue means anything to the Russians, it should have meant some sort of introspection about why they're not seen as the glorious savior of eastern europe. Why the anger? I honestly don't understand it, except that most people growing up in the Soviet Union were fed propaganda and haven't learned to see things from other viewpoints.
Such as the viewpoint that this statue was never seen as a "war memorial" to the ethnic Estonians, but was a symbol of occupation and Russification, and had become a flash point for conflicts. If anyone was insulted, it was the Soviet occupation. Do modern Russians still fondly love the Stalinist era? Should Germans become enranged if someone tears down a memorial put up by Nazis? Do Russians still honestly believe Estonia is fascist, that they loved the Nazis? Given a choice between Stalinist brutality and Nazi brutality, why are Russians still pissed off that they weren't the first choice?
And yes, I am equating Stalinist excesses to Nazi excesses. I don't believe praising the lesser of two evils.
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Promoting Nazi organizations and removing the war monument from a public square was seen by them, and Russians outside Estonia, as a continuation of the same policy, revealing its true political goals.
So far the best excuse for s
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There are Russians (ethnic Russians, not Russian Federation citizens) in Estonia,
True. The vast majority of ethnic Russians in Estonia though immigrated during the Soviet era, as part of russification and build up of industrialization. Should Estonia be allowed to try and restore a national identity and choose it's own national language?
So far the best excuse for siding with Nazi the Estonian nationalists presented was along the lines "but Nazi did not kill ethnic Estonians, so they are alright for us".
Nazis did kill ethnic Estonians. But the Soviets killed far more. Estonians welcomed the Nazis as liberators because they had been recently forcibly annexed into the USSR and were being repressed. This in no way means they approved of fascism on t
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There are countries all over Europe who were occupied by the Nazis and who had some population willingly side with the Nazis.
Including large number of Soviet citizens, including ethnic Russians. The SS raised a number of Ukrainian divisions, and large numbers of Don Cossacks, Azeris and other nationalities fought against the Red Army in more ad-hoc units. This is not to forget the large number of non-combat personnel that were employed in anti-partisan and police roles. The Nazis ideology limited their
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Glorifying the WWII version of "welcoming the overlords" is something that only people completely blinded by their hatred of Russia and USSR could do.
If someone forgot:
Confirmed victims of Stalin: about 2 millions.
Confirmed victims of Nazi: >50 millions.
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Confirmed victims of Stalin: about 2 millions.
Stalin is responsible for the deaths of approximately 60 million people - from a combination of murder, war, famine, and neglect. That includes some of the Russians killed by the Nazis, as Stalin often sent military units into hopeless battles deliberately to eliminate his "opponents". His collectivization policies completely destroyed Russian agriculture causing famine, which he encouraged to purge more of his "opponents". Of course, he also outright kidnapped and murdered millions of innocent people.
Stal
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The figure most widely accepted by historians in both the West and the former Soviet Union for those who died in Gulags between 1930-53 are 1.9 million, which doesn't include the 1.8 million believed to have been shot without being sentenced to the camps. That's 3.7 million already. The brief access to the KGB and state archives that occurred during the Yeltsin era reinforced these conclusions, although the records are missing for a number of periods and regions. An additional 20 to 25 million Soviet citize
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Estonian (and other non-German) Waffen SS [wikipedia.org] were volunteer forces.
It's also absolutely normal for a country under attack by a foreign aggressor to issue a draft, however I don't expect Americans to know anything about that -- the last war you, guys, had on your territory was your Civil War.
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It's ironic, really... we hear a lot about how Russians are oppressed in Estonia, an
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Yet very few Russians actually bother to leave Estonia for Russia - apparently they are still better off there, even as non-citizens...
That's not a very sound argument. Just because someone cannot leave their home and become a refugee doesn't have to mean they are better off being where they are...
I mean, how many Kurds "bothered" to leave Saddam's Iraq, or how many Albanians left Yugoslavia in the 1990s? Armenians in Turkey? Or what about 400,000 Tutsis that were slaughtered by the Hutu folks; you think they didn't move because they were better off dead? Amerindians? The six million Jews, very few of them left Nazi Germany alive...
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There really is NO promoting Nazi organizations or siding with Nazi in Estonia. Can i ask from where does this false information come from?
Also the bogus premise of "speaking language x well enough to get citizenship" is needed in the vast majority of European countries (correct me if i'm wrong).
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Of them three Baltic states alone have the distinction of refusing to do so. Think of it -- they managed to outdo Baltic states, the showcase of ethnic conflict in Europe.
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Also, how in the world is removing a Soviet statue saying "I love Nazis"? Every single year the Russians would gather at the memorial during VE day and get wasted and wave the Soviet flag around. Naturally the Estonians would come by with signs like "During the occupation X amount of people were deported" and whatnot. Then a fight would break out and the cops would have to come stop a small scale riot from breaking out because someone told these idiots the truth. To stop this from escalating we moved the monument. We did not destroy it, we did not desecrate the bodies, we did not cut the statue into pieces as the Durma said, we moved it with full respect for the dead.
Saying we prefer Nazis is strange. My own family was killed by the Nazis and my grandfather deported to Germany to work in a forced labor camp till the war ended and the guards just disapeard one day. I hate Nazis. I have about 1 or 2 living relatives left in Estonia because of that. But that does not make me a Soviet lover. You don't have to pick a side here, you can hate both.
Yes, we made our choice. We chose freedom and thats what we have. Don't like it, comrade? Tough.
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Lets hope it's later rather than sooner.
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In rational terms - maybe, but terror relies on emotional rather than rational assesment of the damage.
Two buildings and a few thousand people? More of each perish everyday for natural reasons. And yet it made headlines.
"GNP damage due to internet attacks estimated at 2 bajillion dollars" won't make it to page 1.
What did they expect? (Score:3, Insightful)
An extremely small minority of the pissed off hundreds of millions performs otherwise meaningless juvenile prank, that multiplied by the number of participants causes visible problems.
What the Hell did Estonian government expect? That the strength of their self-righteousness, or their American overlords, will protect them?
Learn some international politics beyond "do what sugar daddy says, and everything will be fine".
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That being said, this attitude that the Estonian government is somehow horribly evil for moving a statue I find to be utterly incomprehensible. If the United States government decided tomorrow to move the Vietnam wall across the Mall and plunk it down over somewhere else, you'd have a few thousand disgruntled veterans. You might see a few angry op-ed letters. The idea that there would be violent rioting in the streets and destructio
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No, actually, think about it more like: think that France decided to dismantle some monument to the WW2 American soldiers and send it back to America, together with a very loud and very melodramatic message, along the lines of, "fuck you ver
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No, actually, think about it more like: think that France decided to dismantle some monument to the WW2 American soldiers and send it back to America, together with a very loud and very melodramatic message, along the lines of, "fuck you very much, we didn't invite you here in the first place. Oh, and we liked the Nazis and Petain more."
When did the USA march the French into concentration camps? Oh that's right, THEY DIDN'T. Stalin killed way more Estonians than Hitler.
The situation is more comparable to Native Americans asking for a war memorial dedicated to the US Army removed from their territory. Sure, at various points the US Army did "defend" Native Americans, but they slaughtered a lot more of them.
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- it's size
- it's achievements
- perceived humility towards a neighbouring nation so insecure they get aroused by a small gesture
You're simply betraying your own sense of superiority and arrogant imperialist tendencies.
Russians need to grow up and realise they don't need to care what others think of them. Their reaction is no different from Muslims issuing fatwahs on Danish cartoonists. Oh, and learn to see
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Hmm, so you're saying a nation's right to self-determination and to conduct internal affairs depends on
- it's size
- it's achievements
- perceived humility towards a neighbouring nation so insecure they get aroused by a small gesture
That's a part of it. Otherwise every gang will claim its stomping ground to be their "nation". In addition to that claiming that they were oppressed while being a member of large federation (USSR, where small Estonia had 1/15 of votes in Soviet of Nationalities, one of two Supreme Soviet chambers) only to join one large union (EU) and act there in the interests of yet another large country (US) pretty much discredits the whole idea of "freedom-loving Estonian politicians". Estonian independence was a windf
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And since when is criticizing Russia the same as supporting America's behavior? Or are you just making assumptions about the person's beliefs? And you call him a dumbshit? Look in the mirror.
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Estonia is still a small, weak and insignificant country that exists entirely as a result of its neighbors' decisions and therefore is at their mercy, Estonian government's anti-Russian policy is still ethnic discrimination that is unheard of in post-WWII Europe, and its behavior in EU is still whoring to US influence.
Fear not Estonia! (Score:2)
shoooooshhh
*duck*
I actually saw it (Score:3, Interesting)
Long story short, a sniffer revealed a huge amount of traffic coming from a particular student machine directed at an IP address ARIN showed as belonging to Estonia's government. We said huh, wierd and shut down his switch port and went to bed.
Of course we found out a little bit later about the attacks. I don't have the sniffer traces anymore.
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