Cameron's Avatar Trailer Posted 278
graviplana was one of several people to submit that Avatar, James Cameron's 3D Sci-Fi epic has
released a trailer to whet your appetite. There's a lot of very cool visual elements in there but no indication of any actual story. Here's hoping there is one.
Whet (Score:5, Informative)
The correct word is "whet." To whet your appetite is to sharpen it, just as you would a knife with a whetstone. Wetting one's whistle refers to slaking or quenching thirst, but is entirely unrelated.
Re:Whet (Score:5, Insightful)
Adding to that, the summary contains 45 words and three sentences, contains one typo and one misspelling. Surely the submission approval process is not so strained that three sentences is too much to proof read?
In before "you must be new here".
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Comma splice.
Spelling.
I'd use the red pen of doom on this but that would anger the gods of markup. You'll just have to figure out where you went wrong on your own.
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Not in the UK. That's a style issue, not a grammar one.
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And to use a whetstone, it's good practice to wet it first.
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There's an old Danish song about that (though I wouldn't be surprised if it's translated from some other language). Gist of the song is as follows:
Jokum: "There's a hole in the bucket, dear Lisbeth."
Lisbeth: "So mend it, dear Jokum."
J: "Mend it with what?"
L: "Use straw."
J: "But the straws are too long."
L: "So shorten them."
J: "Shorten them with what?"
L: "Use the knife."
J: "But my knife is dull"
L: "So sharpen it"
J: "With what?"
L: "With a whetstone"
J: "But the whetstone is dry"
L: "So make it wet."
J: "How do I
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hole_in_the_bucket [wikipedia.org]
Re: Whet (Score:5, Funny)
The correct word is "whet."
Maybe it's a deliberately bad trailer, designed to dampen people's appetites.
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Also, in what must be a Slashdot first, TFS has actually been corrected!
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I came here from my RSS feed purely to moan about this. Glad to see several beat me to it.
Also, in what must be a Slashdot first, TFS has actually been corrected!
It's not a first. What would be a first would be a correction with an actual admission that a correction took place. But that would require something approaching journalistic integrity. As it is, I often see stories tagged with 'typoinsummary,' with comments about the typo, but no evidence of a typo or a correction of said typo. The Slashdot editors must think we are quite easily fooled.
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Or that we're smart enough to figure it out on our own.
Wet (Score:2, Redundant)
The correct word is "whet." To whet your appetite is to sharpen it....
But what if there's a trailer is intended to dampen fans' appetites?
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Now say Whil Wheaton.
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hmm... (Score:2)
only on?
see some Starship Troopers and Dune in there (Score:4, Insightful)
the book version of starship troopers
otherwise the plot is a soldier goes to fight, gets some genetic modification and then figures out that the war is evil and being fought for ulterior reasons known only to a select few and he changes sides to fight for right
no: "dances with wolves" in space (Score:5, Informative)
cameron even says so himself:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/08/james-cameron-the-new-trek-rocks-but-transformers-is-gimcrackery.html [latimes.com]
avatar looks amazing though, a must see
the bit with the blue guys riding flying dragons reminded me a bit of "the dragonriders of pern" too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonriders_of_Pern [wikipedia.org]
now someone should make THAT into a movie
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I'm a fan of the Pern books myself - I would say that Eragon was a poor film because it was based on a poor book. (Which pretty much stole every interesting facet from somewhere else.) Not that Pern couldn't be ruined, but the books are good enough that good films could be based on them. Eragon never had a chance of being really good.
Re:no: "dances with wolves" in space (Score:4, Interesting)
Sorry, I prefer to relate new movies to low budget action flicks with people like Van Damme, Segal, or Lundgren.
Men of War
Nick Gunar (Dolph Lundgren) is a burnt-out, jaded and hard-up former mercenary who is having a difficult time adjusting to civilian life. At the end of his rope, he is hired by the Nitro Mine Corporation to strong-arm the natives of a South China Sea island into giving up their rights to its valuable mineral resources. Nick loathes the thought of another mission, but this seemingly easy job will earn him enough money to get back with his estranged family. He recruits some of his former mercenary buddies to help him with the job. The island people refuse to give up their land and Nick decides to help them fight the greedy corporation that hired him. The island and its people bring Nick back to life. He finally finds something worth fighting for and a place to call home. As greed and treachery begin to unravel, Nick's band of mercenaries choose sides. Some are with him and others, still working for the corporation, will stop at nothing to destroy him.
then prepare to have your mind explode: (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42087 [aintitcool.com]
lol
Dragonriders of Pern as a movie (Score:2)
I woul
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Only a little (Score:5, Interesting)
Humans go to another planet, looks like a jungle planet.
They create "avatars" that are either clones, simulacrum, or repurposed native bodies.
One of the humans (the main character) who is brainmapped into an avatar, is a paraplegic in his human body.
The avatars are sent on an exploration or diplomacy mission.
(It obviously wasn't infiltration because they were wearing human clothes and carrying human gear.)
There's some fighting with some dino like things, possibly with the natives as well, although I didn't see any shots showing actual combat with natives, just strung together combat scenes that implied combat with the natives.
Oh, and the main character falls for a native female.
I'm sure somebody paying more attention to it can pick out other tidbits of info, but yeah, it was kinda sparse on data. It's not like the trailers/ads for 6th sense where you can identify all major plot points including the so called twist ending... (so bloody obvious he's one of the dead...)
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(so bloody obvious he's one of the dead...)
Thanks a lot! Now you've gone and ruined the film for me!
What is there to nail? (Score:2)
Plot [wikipedia.org] (and more [aintitcool.com]) has been known for some time now.
An actual story? Why ruin it with that? (Score:5, Insightful)
GI Joe did just fine without any actual story.
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Exactly.
1) they release movies with pretty graphics and no story.
2) then they release movies with graphics AND story.
=> profit
If you *reverse* the order, then they only make half the profit because nobody would pay to see movies of type #1 if type #2 are available!
Direct download links (Score:5, Informative)
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if all /.'ers go for the 1080 link we will bring down apple!
thanks btw
Not impressed to say the least (Score:2)
Cartoon-like blue CGI aliens and an apparently average summer blockbuster story. Maybe it's better in 3D, but in 2D it's laughable.
Re:user-agent manipulation needed (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, that works. Thanks:
wget -U "QuickTime/7.6.2" http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h1080p.mov [apple.com]
Those geeks in the movie must be Titan Quest fans (Score:2)
After all, they spent all that effort to genetically engineer Maenads [ign.com].
A few problems with it (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, the CGI is stunning - for most of the trailer, it's hard to believe it's not live action. They have made a huge leap across the uncanny valley, and successfully.
But I have a few problems with it, just like most CGI movies these days:
The robots don't move right. It doesn't "feel" like a robot to me. James Cameron was the guy behind Aliens, and he seems to have forgotten that one of the reasons that was such a believable movie (despite taking place in the future, on an alien planet, fighting aliens with two mouths) was the use of "today" tech. So I would have expected Cameron to make Avatar's robots more like the military robots we envision today. I'm sure 1000 years from now, robots will move identically to a human (as in the movie) but I'd still prefer movie robots today to move more like real robots we have today.
Predators shouldn't announce their presence. There's a scene in the trailer where a dino-thing jumps out of the bushes, roars, and runs after people. I see this all the time in action movies where some large animal is about to attack the hero: the predator rises from the bushes (or from behind whatever), bellows, then rushes to attack. But in that split-second, our hero is able to throw himself behind cover, narrowly avoiding being eaten. Ever watch actual predator/prey wildlife - even a house cat pouncing on a mouse. Predators just don't announce their attacks - they just pounce. If you stop to roar, your prey gets away, and you go hungry.
That said, I'll probably still go see this when it comes out.
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Yes, the CGI is stunning - for most of the trailer, it's hard to believe it's not live action. They have made a huge leap across the uncanny valley, and successfully.
Wait, are the humans CGI too? If so that's very good, otherwise it's not really relevant to the uncanny valley.
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The same technology that provides the realistic animal/alien motion in the film will probably indeed mean robots will move smoothly in the future, so yeah, the robot motion is believable. :-)
it's not a predator (Score:2)
If you look closely in the first scene, the creature roars and then jumps over the main character. That would be a very strange behavior for a predator indeed. I suspect the creature is something else.
In general though, you're absolutely spot on, I'll never forget that velociraptor that politely waited for the hunter to get out his witty remark, "Oh you're
It is just a teaser... (Score:2)
Predators shouldn't announce their presence. There's a scene in the trailer where a dino-thing jumps out of the bushes, roars, and runs after people. I see this all the time in action movies where some large animal is about to attack the hero: the predator rises from the bushes (or from behind whatever), bellows, then rushes to attack. But in that split-second, our hero is able to throw himself behind cover, narrowly avoiding being eaten.
Actually... no. You are judging the scene from a handful of out of sequence and cut-off shots.
Here is how that scene actually plays.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41793 [aintitcool.com]
One of the first things we see on the planet is Worthington's Avatar playing with these tube-snake-like flora. He touches one and it disappears, sucking back into the ground with a FROOMPF. He's delighted, playing around in this field of tall plants, making them disappear with a touch until he does that to one and it reveals a really pissed off giant rhino lookin' thing with a hammerhead nose.
It brays at Worthington's Avatar and stamps its feet, threatening to charge. The Moore Avatar and Sigourney Weaver Avatar are with-in shouting distance and Weaver stops him from using the giant machine gun he's carrying, saying the hide is too tough and that shooting it will only piss it off.
The Worthington Avatar is unsure of what to do, even thought Weaver is telling him this rhino thing is just putting on a threat display and won't charge if Worthington stands his ground. There's a herd of rhino-aliens behind this one, which keeps braying and using his hammerhead horn nose to knock down trees. It shows its displeasure by a colorful ruff raising (like peacocks feathers but armored).
The creature doesn't seem to know it's just a territorial threat display and charges Worthington's Avatar who just charges it right back, screaming. It stops and looks confused, then scarred, turning back and running away with the heard.
Of course that means a slick-skinned panther-like creature is behind Worthington. It leaps over him and charges the bigger game, which runs off... then it turns and realizes there's another smaller, but just as tasty morsel right in front of him.
Apparently, the predator-creature WAS all sneaky and hidden, going after the "rhino-aliens" but Jake's avatar alerted one of those who started to charge at him, in turn making the predator-creature think it's cover is blown and it's under attack so it turns from a hunter into a defender, roars and attacks.
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>The robots don't move right.
Welcome to the uncanny valley! [wikipedia.org]
Starship Troopers vs. Ferngully? (Score:2)
Did it seem like (after years of hype) Cameron made a simultaneous remake of Ferngully and Starship toopers? I still have hope that the movie will be better than the trailer, but you never know.
Here's an annotated version of the trailer to illustrate the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRTrWsKPKh8
Cliche scenes, undercooked CGI, no apparent plot.. (Score:3, Insightful)
This does not bode well. The CGI, which would have been impressive on an XBox or PS3, instead jars with the real-life scenes. They make no attempt to even hint at a plot, which tells me that they have essentially strung together a parade of impressive FX to hang on the bones of an irrelevant story. And you can guarantee that they will not take any time to let the story breath underneath all of those explosions.
No.
Re:Cliche scenes, undercooked CGI, no apparent plo (Score:4, Insightful)
As for the graphics, get off your AOL dial-up connection and watch it at 1080p and then tell me it looks like an xbox. As someone who owns Beowulf in blu-ray and Final Fantasy, and whose gaming PC can play FarCry2 at 1920x1200 resolution, 2xAA with ~47 fps average framerates, I can say that this stuff looks better than any of those. I was surprised at just how little uncanny valley [wikipedia.org] there is in the human characters. The aliens looked a little weird, but I reserve judgement until I've seen it. It could be that they're well aliens and we're not supposed to closely identify with their movements.
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I also watched the 1080p version and was terribly unimpressed.
It looked technically complicated and high-res or whatever, but it did not look "good". I think it fell flat-faced right into the uncanny valley for me (which, as a perspective thing, is of course relative to the viewer). No need to throw insults around just because someone wasn't as enamored with it as you were.
1-It's a teaser; 2-go watch it in 1080p. (Score:3, Informative)
Over and out.
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And frankly if I need to watch in full res to not be completely offput by the graphics then there's something fundamentally wrong.
Let me get this straight...
First you are complaining that the CGI is not up to your high expectations, but then you claim that there is something wrong with it cause you have to look at it IN DETAIL to be able to see the DETAILS?
But I guess that you are used to get your video from a direct to brain input that you got from your future self, who also told you the plot of all future movies.
I mean... You already KNOW everything... no.. wait... YOU CAN GUARANTEE what the 120+ minute movie that is coming out 1.2.
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Yeah! Cameron and unimpressive, irrelevant stories... like Terminator, Titanic, Aliens, True Lies... A real nobody.
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I'm a little stunned at the lack of faith here.
This is the guy who directed (and even more importantly, WROTE) Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, and Terminator 2. The latter two in particular also pioneered groundbreaking CGI effects for the time, and the stories certainly didn't suffer as a result.
Cameron has proven himself a visionary and gifted storyteller (particularly in the sci-fi realm) many times over. Your self-assured criticism of the story (based on a TEASER, ffs) is unwarranted and premature. Th
The Last Airbender (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The Last Airbender (Score:5, Insightful)
I would be much more excited to see more animated episodes to continue the story. My family is pretty stoked about the live action film - but I don't really see the point. I like the animated version and am unsure how live action could do as well, let alone surpass what already has been done.
I was able to buy all the tv episodes on dvd recently and have enjoyed watching the shows again. The story and characters are strong enough that it holds up well to multiple viewings.
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It used to be that when some IP went to the big screen we viewers got to look forward to actual special effects, a grander scope, a fully realized creative vision.
That is no longer the case. For Avatar: The Last Airbender we've already seen the story fully realized with little to no compromises on quality. All the live action films can hope for is to:
Given the movie's choice of director, and casting dec
Re:The Last Airbender (Score:4, Funny)
They are all actually dead the whole time, being killed by the plants that live in the forest around the village.
Oh... and the "mentor-character" is actually the main bad-guy, who is stumped by closed doors and is allergic to water.
I hope it's more like district 9 (Score:2, Offtopic)
Sorry to interject an unrelated movie but I must make a comparision. This movie looks visually stunning, but I hope the writing and plot are as good as district 9 was. D9 was, by far, was one of the best sci fi films I've seen in decades and it did it on the cheap. And that's all that really needs to be said.
Wow... (Score:2, Funny)
Holy smokes, does that look stupid.
I couldn't even bother to finish a 2 minute trailer. Can someone from Hollywood send me 30 million bucks, and I'll mail them my bowel movements for the next year?
Seek professional help. (Score:3, Funny)
I couldn't even bother to finish a 2 minute trailer.
I do believe that there is a treatment for that. [wikipedia.org]
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Its kind sad the people automatically mod up mindless negativity like this.
Look, scifi movies are the low hanging fruit of Hollywood. This looks much better than GI Joe or Transformers. We should be thankful someone is trying an actual story. Cameron has some real talent and deserves a little more respect than this. I mean, you barely saw anything. Youre pretty much judging a book by its cover. I thought geeks were smarter than this.
Cameron has been reading Joe Haldeman (Score:4, Insightful)
Trailer reflects a lot of different Joe Haldeman books. I see pieces of "All My Sins Remembered [amazon.com]," "Forever Peace [amazon.com]," and a tiny bit of "Forever War [amazon.com]." Ridley Scott's planning to film "Forever War," and he said he was inspired to do it in 3-D [sffmedia.com] after seeing what Cameron had done with Avatar. The avatar thing connects with Haldeman's "Forever Peace" very well.
Wish Taco would avoid the snide comment about the trailer lacking story. It's not like Cameron has proven himself a poor storyteller on his past films. Just because it's CGI and science fiction, doesn't mean this is going to be garbage like Transformers 2 or Terminator 4.
I believe that... (Score:2)
...that could very well be a part of what lies behind the "every single science fiction book I read as a kid" [wikipedia.org] line.
As for the story... This is but a teaser.
There is plenty of the story explained and revealed on wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet.
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The avatar thing connects with Haldeman's "Forever Peace" very well.
Really? How so? Forever Peace's "avatars" were state-of-the-art war mechs. In this movie, they're genetically engineered alien body. You may as well compare it with One Must Fall [wikipedia.org].
sounds like new movie Surrogates (Score:2)
Oh sure (Score:3, Funny)
Trying to ride on the coat-tails of Felicia Day's hit indie geeky music video (Do You Wanna Date My) Avatar, which shot to the top of iTunes/Amazon/YouTube on Monday. How very sad.
Here's to hopin there will be an iMax release (Score:2)
Here's to hopin there will be an iMax release
Statues (Score:2)
Apples servers (Score:2)
NOW... (Score:2)
It isn't sweating NOW.
After days of anticipation they have failed spectacularly. [io9.com]
Instead of seeing it exclusively on Apple's site the internet got the first look at the trailer from France's MSN portal.
No Story = Fantasia (Score:2)
And I want a complex story where neither side is completely good, and neither side is completely bad, and neither side is completely all powerful and neither side is completely helpless. Let the decisions to be made be hard ones, not obvious choices, but I still won't mind a HEA ending.
Re:No Story = Fantasia, OH, DON'T FORGET... (Score:2)
WTF night elves on flying mounts in Outland (Score:2)
Oh my! Cameron is going to change the world again. (Score:5, Insightful)
Having read the (now scrubbed from the web after having floated around for several years) full script treatment penned by Cameron, I can assure you that it's a very solid story.
It IS formula, but then so was Titanic, (and Dances with Wolves for that matter). But Cameron knows how to work a formula impeccably. And the guy has actually gone and found a New Cool technology, which if used effectively and spun right, (think Jurassic Park), can help significantly in the promotion of a film.
The buzz is that the 3D has got the techs in Hollywood really excited about going to work every day.
People are going to see this film in droves and they are going to be blown away by it. I feel safe in predicting that.
Avatar, however, isn't going to be bigger than Titanic in terms of sales. I'll go ahead and predict that as well. --Why not? Because he isn't tapping the same doomed-romance nerve which is crack-cocaine to the average 15 year-old girl.
The casting of Titanic was both cynical and brilliant: Casting the almost beautiful Kate Winslet as the female lead was a sly maneuver which allowed the female audience to fantasize over the notion that even plane-Jane girls like themselves could have their very own Leonardo Decaprio. --And that his character should conveniently die at the end of the film so that he wouldn't put his lover through years of poverty, while in the same action giving her a bitter-sweet memory to polish and secretly wax pathetic over for years and years. . , well, that's just orgasmic! The girl-buttons deep inside girl-machines are placed in some really odd ways, but Cameron found 'em all and pushed every last one he could reach.
Avatar is going to be really cool, but it's not going to press nearly so many girl-buttons. (Though, images of blue amazon elf maidens I suspect will become popular in comic book shops). And who knows? My own understanding of girl-buttons is admittedly rudimentary. Maybe Cameron's onto something that I'm not anticipating. It IS a love story, after all, and maybe that's enough to make the teen girls watch it half a dozen times as they did with Titanic. My guess, however, is that classical material riches, classic questions of marrying for love or for money, combined with the bad boy thing. . , well I suspect this will always out-rank sci-fi mojo amongst the teen girl set.
In any case, this film looks very much like I pictured it from Cameron's prose, with one exception; I thought most of the fauna of Pandora was going to be glowing like a school of lamprey fish, but I guess the screen tests of that just didn't touch the right emotional nerves in viewers. The Audience is human, after all and Cameron knows his human psychology. I'm glad he's a sci-fi film maker and not a propaganda man like Goebbels!
-FL
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"the almost beautiful Kate Winslet"
Almost?!
hard to watch (Score:3, Funny)
One part went like this: (starting at 0:25)
single frame: I
doubled frame: -
I-IIII-III-III-I-I-II-I-I-I-I-II I-I---I--I--I--I---I--I-I-I-I-I-II-I-I-I-I-II-I-I-I
This scene cross fades with a scene that doubles every 9th or 10th frame.
I've read the screenplay (Score:3, Informative)
I read the screenplay for this about 5 years ago at this point. Honestly surprised it took so long to get made. I guess Cameron wanted technology to catch up to his imagination.
The basic plot is a) humanity discovers alien world, b) populated by weird creatures, the most intelligent of which are the blue humanoid ones - you can think of them sort of as Native Americans; and c) that's pretty much the plot. Humans come to conquer this new world.
To do this they d) grow "avatars" who are biologically like the aliens but into which human consciousness can be uploaded. This is done to e) interact with the aliens and convince them to let humans take over their planet. f) The aliens are not so keen on the idea and g) fight back. h) it turns out that they're not just primitives but that they i) live in close consciousness-sharing harmony with other creatures on their planet and j) their entire planet via plants.
See, they k) have nerve bundles growing in their hair and these let them connect with other living beings, such as l) the pterodactyls which they're able to pilot by mind control. m) One particularly nasty human soldier scalps one of the main aliens and this is a very dramatic thing. n) the protagonist is a crippled Earth scientist who can't walk, but when loaded into his "avatar" he can, and so he wants to stay in his alien body. o) When an alien dies they get absobed by the foliage and become part of the planetary consciousness. p) Because the protagonist helps to chase off the nasty humans q)by wiping out the invading force and sending Earth a fake message about a lethal virus being on the planet, r) the aliens make him a permanent alien. s) there is also the obligatory love story.
There, aren't you glad I just saved you 2 hours and $20???
Sure, it'll be visually pretty but the plot is lame. Unless you're 13.
Re:doesnt work? (Score:5, Informative)
BitTorrent download [mininova.org]
I get the idea though.... (Score:2)
And to be honest, I disagree with the assertion that the trailer doesn't give away any hint of the story. We have no idea if the story will be *good* but from the trailer we learn that a wounded soldier is able to fight again, albeit by proxy, controlling an indigenous creature of an alien planet.
Yeah, that ain't much, but it's an intriguing idea, and a helluva lot more plot that we got with GI-Joe.
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This is Sci-Fi, you can just make shit up as you please
And anything mysterious you need to justify, you can just attribute to Quantum Flux [theonion.com].
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The storyâ(TM)s protagonist, Jake Sully, is a former Marine who was wounded and paralyzed from the waist down in combat on Earth. In order to participate in the Avatar program, which will give him a healthy body, Jake agrees to travel to Pandora, a lush rainforest environment filled with incredible life forms â" some beautiful, many terrifying. Pandora is also the home to the Naâ(TM)vi, a humanoid race that lives at what humans would consider to be a primitive level, but are actually much more evolutionarily advanced than humans. Ten feet tall, with tails and sparkling blue skin, the Naâ(TM)vi live harmoniously within their unspoiled world. But as humans encroach on Pandora in search of valuable minerals, the Naâ(TM)viâ(TM)s very existence is threatened â" and their warrior abilities unleashed. Jake has unwittingly been recruited to become part of this encroachment. Since humans are unable to breathe the air on Pandora, they have created genetically-bred human-Naâ(TM)vi hybrids known as Avatars. The Avatars are living, breathing bodies in the real world, controlled by a human driver through a technology that links the driverâ(TM)s mind to the Avatar body. On Pandora, through his Avatar body, Jake can be whole once again. Moreover, he falls in love with a young Naâ(TM)vi woman, Neytiri, whose beauty is matched by her ferocity in battle. As Jake slides deeper into becoming one of her clan, he finds himself caught between the military-industrial forces of Earth, and the Naâ(TM)vi â" forcing him to choose sides in an epic battle that will decide the fate of an entire world.
Re:Story? (Score:5, Informative)
The story's protagonist, Jake Sully, is a former Marine who was wounded and paralyzed from the waist down in combat on Earth. In order to participate in the Avatar program, which will give him a healthy body, Jake agrees to travel to Pandora, a lush rainforest environment filled with incredible life forms - some beautiful, many terrifying. Pandora is also the home to the Na'vi, a humanoid race that lives at what humans would consider to be a primitive level, but are actually much more evolutionarily advanced than humans. Ten feet tall, with tails and sparkling blue skin, the Na'vi live harmoniously within their unspoiled world. But as humans encroach on Pandora in search of valuable minerals, the Na'vi's very existence is threatened â" and their warrior abilities unleashed.
Jake has unwittingly been recruited to become part of this encroachment. Since humans are unable to breathe the air on Pandora, they have created genetically-bred human-Na'vi hybrids known as Avatars. The Avatars are living, breathing bodies in the real world, controlled by a human driver through a technology that links the driver's mind to the Avatar body. On Pandora, through his Avatar body, Jake can be whole once again. Moreover, he falls in love with a young Na'vi woman, Neytiri, whose beauty is matched by her ferocity in battle.
As Jake slides deeper into becoming one of her clan, he finds himself caught between the military-industrial forces of Earth, and the Na'vi - forcing him to choose sides in an epic battle that will decide the fate of an entire world.
Re:Story? (Score:5, Insightful)
There was not a single thing in that summary not clearly portrayed in the trailer. The trailer is not devoid of story - it completely gives away the entire plot. They only thing they don't show is the ending but it is very unlikely it wont end with things working out for the 'good' guys. But the paralysis - the transfer to another body - the love interest - the combat against invading earth forces - it's all there. This is a very typical anti-development, pro-nature type film that hollywood has been cranking out for some time.
I'm looking forward to seeing it - but not for the plot.
Re:Story? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Story? (Score:5, Informative)
This seems rather similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_me_joe which was originally published in 1957. All the elements are there: cripple who telepathically controls a foreign species due to hostile environment, who then loses his grip on who he is. It's a great story but I hope it gets credit as the "seed" for this movie.
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Here's the thing I hate about sci-fi plots. Humans have the ability to fly half way across the galaxy, can engineer biological hybrids, can link those hybrids to a humans mind, but the simple act of reconnecting a spinal cord back together in order to cure paralysis is still beyond their reach?
I guess Health Care Reform didn't work in this sci-fi.
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From 1940:
Here's the thing I hate about sci-fi plots. Humans have created a vast global super-high-speed data network capable of transferring entire libraries of information across the planet in under one second, have sent actual human beings to the moon, have cracked the entire human genome and are genetically engineering crops and animals, but the simple act of creating a flying car is still beyond their reach?
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Actually, creating a flying car isn't beyond our reach. There have been several of them. What is beyond our reach is creating one that is economical and safe enough for the average joe to use.
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Jake has unwittingly been recruited to become part of this encroachment. Since humans are unable to breathe the air on Pandora, they have created genetically-bred human-Na'vi hybrids known as Avatars. The Avatars are living, breathing bodies in the real world, controlled by a human driver through a technology that links the driver's mind to the Avatar body. On Pandora, through his Avatar body, Jake can be whole once again. Moreover, he falls in love with a young Na'vi woman, Neytiri, whose beauty is matched by her ferocity in battle.
Humanoid aliens. *sigh* I can buy it if the scenario is along the lines of ancient astronauts where the humanoid aliens are actually genetically modified from human stock or something like a Stargate where human life is seeded on other worlds by powerful entities in the past but it does sort of irk me when humanoid lifeforms evolve independently with no other explanation than someone handwaving and saying "Perhaps the bipedal form is the most superior one for earth-like worlds." Bah. I'll only buy it if the
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Cameron said he wanted to make more 'alien' aliens, but that conflicted with one of the plot points... a human consciousness in an alien body, falling in love with another alien. He had to go with the humanoid look in order to not completely repulse the audience.
*imagines aliens looking like James Carville.* You're right. I withdraw my objection.
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That's the first time I read Avatar's plot summary, and I must say I don't like it at all. The concept - Jake's consciousness in an alien's body is fine, but everything else just reeks of cliches. "Noble savages" for aliens who a have different skin tone, elvish ears and motherfucking flying dragons, greedy white man stealing the alien's natural resources, etc. Uh-oh.
Also, I hope there's a good reason why they can redirect a human's consciousness into an alien, but can't heal partial paralysis. Other than t
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It is because people are ashamed of and/or intimidated by their ignorance of basic science and technology, so they cope by inventing excuses to devalue those endeavors.
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There is no victory for them, is there?
Nope, not if the plot is so trite that a few story points actually do give away the whole plot, or the story is so boring that just a few teases don't properly whet the appetite.
It's certainly not an easy thing to do, but I thought that's what some of that hundreds of millions of dollars went toward. I have often left a theater wondering why the producers don't take 1 million out of the 100+ million FX budget and put it into hiring someone with actual talent in vague concepts like storyline, continuity,
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You know, I was thinking the same thing.. In fact it looks like "The Last Airbender" movie will have to avoid the use of the word "Avatar" to prevent confusion, since my guess is both movies will be out around the same time.
And already being familiar with the airbender plotline and universe, I'm looking forward to that film far more than I am to Cameron's crap-fest. His last good film was Terminator 2.
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It looked a lot like Final Fantasy to me - which I thought was pretty cool but it came out a while ago. It will be interesting to see how the full film compares.
Watch it in 1080p (Score:2)
You will see the "photorealism".
Also, while you are at it, pay attention to scenes where Na'vi are being angry.
They seem far more realistic then, as they squint their eyes and look more like humans in those shots.
Oh and Beowulf...
Come on. This is several classes above Beowulf. Beowulf was barely above Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.
They walked and articulated like puppets. Na'vi look real.
Alien and not quite humanly (as they are not humans) but they move like living things.
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Weren't the humans in Final Fantasy the Spirits Within CGI? Wouldn't that make this film 8 years late in being the first?
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I was wondering that myself. I don't know how the FF movie was made, but is it possible they used human actors to do the positioning in FF, and this was all made on computers? I don't know what it's called, but it's where an actor wears a funky spandex suit with dots all over it so a computer can follow their movements and mimic it with a CG character. It was used for Gollum in LotR.
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Yes, FF was entirely motion capture. Which maximized the "uncanny valley" effect. Though it was the best job I'd seen rendering human hair up until that point.
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If you immediately associate 'men with big guns' with HALO and elves with WoW then please, please, gtfo my slashdot.
Not sure why 12 year olds would wanna hang out here anyways.