Firefox 3.5 Now the Most Popular Browser Worldwide 422
gQuigs notes a graph up at StatCounter Global Statistics, which shows that in the last few days Firefox 3.5 became the most used browser version worldwide, edging ahead of IE7. IE8 is rising fast (along with Windows 7), but over the last few months the slope of Firefox's worldwide curve has been steeper. (In the US, IE8 has always been ahead of Firefox 3.5; in Europe Firefox has led since late summer.) The submitter suggests using the time when Firefox rules the roost, globally speaking, to put the final nail in the coffin of IE6, which still has a 14% global share (5%-7% in the US and EU; China and Korea are holding up IE6's numbers).
Browser down. (Score:5, Funny)
OS next.
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People already complain that firefox is to bloatet. Adding an os might really cause people to complain, but they can always do it as a plugin
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only if I could get Emacs as a Firefox plugin...
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There's an x86 emulator in Java. Maybe it'll boot Linux. :P
Then you could even run vim
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You spoke tooo soon, it already does!
http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/home_home.html [ox.ac.uk]
boot DSL linux in a browser using a java based x86 emulator.
Note some of the images take a while to start, but tty linux at:
http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/tty.html [ox.ac.uk]
works.
Re:Browser down. (Score:5, Funny)
Emacs is a wonderful operating system. All it lacks is a decent text editor.
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Emacs is a wonderful operating system. All it lacks is a decent text editor.
What do you mean by that? You can run Vi in Emacs.
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You and your advanced "hole punching technology" have no idea what I go thru [krytosvirus.com]
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monkeys? luxury!
we had to make our holes with damp twine,
and on top of that, we had to reuse the old cards by filling in the holes with skin from our blisters.
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You had it EASY! We had to punch the holes in ourselves using jagged pieces of rock 25 hours a day, until the IT Manager came along, cut us all to ribbons, ingested us in a carnivorous cannibalistic rage, only have to start again, this time in EBDIC!
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Last time I punched a ho I got owned.
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I can confirm. It will not wash your dishes, vacuum your rug or become your Evil EMACS Robotic Overlord.
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Why would you want to create a Linux plugin for Firefox when you can run Firefox on Linux instead?
Re:Browser down. (Score:5, Funny)
You know.
Yo dawg, we heard yall use Linux....
Yeah, but... (Score:3, Funny)
...just imagine a Beowulf cluster of Firefox plugins!
Don't laugh, some joker will probably do it just to prove it can be done.
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From The Book of Mozilla, 11:9 (Score:2, Insightful)
Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words, and spoke of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.
Re:From The Book of Mozilla, 11:9 (Score:5, Insightful)
Mammon slept. And the beast reborn spread over the earth and its numbers grew legion. And they proclaimed the times and sacrificed crops unto the fire, with the cunning of foxes. And they built a new world in their own image as promised by the sacred words [mozilla.org] , and spoke [mozilla.org] of the beast with their children. Mammon awoke, and lo! it was naught but a follower.
from The Book of Mozilla, 11:9
(10th Edition)
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What’s omitted is what happens next.
If Mammon awakes, it (MS) will try to catch up, if it means anything to it.
And this will be the actual ugly fight, where one of them never comes out again.
Why MS failed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why MS failed. (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually IE8 might be soon the king of IEs even corporations now have a serious upgrade look.
I expect that IE7 wont really have the impact IE6 had and frankly spoken IE8 while not being really that good is good enough for now.
Still I applaud the rise of firefox, this will open enough pressure on M$ to finally support SVG and raise their ACID compliancy from 20% up to decent levels without lying that ACID tested unfinished standards (which it does not)
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how is this odd.
let's take a look at some FACTS.
1. Windows XP, as originally shipped, does not have automatic updates turned on as a default, and most people would not turn it on in the original setup screen.
2. MOST computer users are idiots when it comes to security and maintenance of their systems. Thus they would NEVER go to the windows update site unless explicitly instructed to do so by someone.
3. Combine 1 and 2 and you can easily see how their are many people that would fail to understand that there
Only reason for any IE6 market share (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Only reason for any IE6 market share (Score:4, Insightful)
Insightful? Ignorant.
Go look up XP torrents. Most come slipstreamed with IE7.
Much more likely to be corporate users, or people that ignore the little yellow shield.
StatCounter? (Score:4, Interesting)
Considering most Firefox users are more tech savvy than average and many of them are likely to have already blocked StatCounter altogether, this is impressive.
Re:StatCounter? (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not sure "many" of them are. It's hard to estimate, but most estimates for the proportion of users using some form of ad-blocking software are only in the 3-5% range. Even if every one of those is a Firefox 3.5 user, that would only nudge up the 21% market share to the mid-20%s, not totally rearrange the curve or anything.
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Considering most Firefox users are more tech savvy than average and many of them are likely to have already blocked StatCounter altogether, this is impressive.
Statcounter uses an image as a fallback for getting stats where the cookie is blocked or Javascript cannot be run, so unless you've blocked all third party images (how's the text web going for you, tinfoil hat man?) it still shows up.
An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:5, Insightful)
I have another way -- Firefox (all versions) at 32%, Internet Explorer (all versions) at 55%. The fact that the IE market is split between 6.X, 7.X and 8.X doesn't not detract from the (regrettable) fact that Internet Explorer is the most popular browser, worldwide. Different versions do not a different browser make.
In hindsight, this distribution is rather predictable -- FF nags you to update (rightly so) whereas IE can't even update itself, let along notify you about it.
Here's a plot (thankfully, they give out the raw CSV data) with the "all versions" included. Firefox has a ways to go. http://yfrog.com/j5temptlp [yfrog.com]
Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Clearly you have never been involved with web development. "aieee" has wildly different bugs and proprietary features between major versions.
Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:5, Informative)
Statcounter also plots that [statcounter.com], fwiw. (Click on the dropdown box after "Statistic:" at the bottom-left of the graph to get other views and data sets as well.)
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Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:5, Insightful)
The real story here is in the trends of each version. IE7 and IE6 are in decline. For Internet Explorer, only IE8 is still growing, but its rate of growth is significantly slower than Firefox's. The headline may be misleading, but the the summary is right on the money. If these trends keep up, the headline may well become true a lot sooner than you seem to think.
Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Not to mention that IE8's growth seems to be exclusively at the expense of 6/7 so IE as a whole has declined greatly, or the market has grown while IE use has remained constant.
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And once Firefox 3.6 is out, that line for Firefox 3.5 will drop by half and IE 7 will become more popular than Firefox 3.5 overnight (according to the submitter's logic).
Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:4, Interesting)
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The question (which the graph doesn't readily answer) is whether the net FF adoption rate is faster than the net IE adoption rate.
Well, that chart didn't but this one [statcounter.com] does.
And yes, IE (all versions) is in a rapid decline, while FF is slowly climbing.
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Well, that chart didn't but this one [statcounter.com] does.
And yes, IE (all versions) is in a rapid decline, while FF is slowly climbing.
if by "slowly climbing" you mean "flatlining", sure... Chrome's the only one with a reasonable uptick recently.
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And that fine too. I don't see why any browser should have more than 20-25% share. Looks like we're heading somewhere even better than replacing IE with Firefox.
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Recent months it looks like FF is holding its own while chrome steals users from IE. But likely it is mostly FF users trying chrome and FF gaining more recruits from IE.
When chrome looses it's shiny appeal unless chrome seriously holds it's own in the browser battle they will lose users quick, and almost all to FF. So the real test is to come there over the next year.
IE however will likely gain users as people get windows 7 (taking from the rest). Many people will be upgrading from xp having been longtime
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if you look at the graph, you can answer that question quite easily...
Both IE6 and IE7 are in decline. While there's still nutters using IE5 and earlier, those browsers are all listed under "other" which is also in decline. IE8 is the only IE browser with an increasing market share at this time. And judging from the slopes, most of the new IE8 users are old IE6 and IE7 users... IE7's decline has been very sharp, easily the same slope as IE8's rise.
So yes, FF3.5 is gaining users and FF's proportional market
Re:An interesting way to summarize the data ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, if you are just a spectator cheering for your team from the sidelines.
But not if you are a web developer/designer, the different versions are very different browsers. In terms of making a modern website work there is much more difference between IE8 and IE6 than there is between IE8 and FF/Safari/Chrome/Opera etc.
IE6 comes with XP, IE8 with Win7 (Score:4, Interesting)
You're going to see IE8 be absolutely huge over the next 5 years - even if firefox is preferred by geeks and the somewhat tech savvy.
As the huge 32/64bit transition begins (next 12 to 36 months my guess) business's finally can roll out 64bit Windows 7, avoiding Vista entirely and finally retiring Windows XP.
This is going to continue to increase IE8 marketshare much like IE6's was boosted from XP, so what we can only hope is that IE8 isn't garbage (me, I don't know? I use Firefox also)
For what it's worth, I work for one of the state govt's of Australia and one of our departments has just switched from Win2k to XP :/ so I'm guessing we won't be moving to Windows 7 for at least 2 years.
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IE8 is much better than IE6 and the sooner we can kill off IE6 in favor of IE7 and IE8, the better.
Now, I am not saying that IE8 is better than alternatives like Firefox (I use SeaMonkey myself) but its better than IE6 (in fact, the only browsers I know of that were worse than IE6 were IE5.x and Netscape 4.x)
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As someone has said elsewhere, the more important issue here is here:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951 [statcounter.com]
The previous graph shows something we already know: that people happily flit between versions of the same browser, especially home users. This graph shows browser-family usage. And it shows a steady decline of IE against FF and Chrome.
But again, actually, that's not the important issue here. Here's what matters: the browser war was won when IE's monopoly was broken. Developing for j
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that complete, idiot ruling.
Not often I side with Microsoft - I do on this one- silly.
This is silly... (Score:2, Insightful)
Separating out versions of different browsers is just plain silly.
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Is it possible that WGA is finally and well and truly fucking Microsoft over? I wonder what percentage of all those FireFox installs are on pirated copies of XP, and the only way to get a decent browser is to download FF.
One word: adblock (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:One word: adblock (Score:5, Informative)
When I first saw the option on Slashdot's main page to turn off ads I was a tad croggled. I'd been using Firefox with AdBlock + for so long I'd forgotten that there were ads on Slashdot.
Re:One word: adblock (Score:4, Insightful)
That's sorta why I go for NoScript + FlashBlock over AdBlock. Ads still display - unless they are powered by Javascript or Flash. So if your ad is a simple image or block of text, I'll still see it. But it won't annoy the heck out of me.
(The bigger reason I run NoScript/FlashBlock is to avoid malware being installed via Javascript / Flash.)
My plan worked (Score:5, Funny)
1. Remove shortcuts to Internet Explorer
2. Rename Firefox shortcuts to "Internet"
Firefox 3.5 - My Idea
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Misleading Title. (Score:2)
A more accurate graph for the "Most Popular Browser Worldwide" would be given by:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951 [statcounter.com]
Here you see a more representative picture - IE's decline and Firefox's rise, but still IE's total share is 55% to Firefox's 32%
Just because we're in the midst of an IE upgrade from 7-8 doesn't make Firefox now the most popular browser. Sure, this version is currently a little ahead of each of IE7 and IE8, but to me what this really indicates is that Firefox users upgrad
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However, with the success of Windows 7, expect a major spike in IE usage, especially with IE 8.0 being part of Windows 7 itself in most versions.
I myself would like to go to Chrome 4.0 full-time, since Chrome does a masterful job of handling tabs and Chromes uses the ultra-fast WebKit page layout engine.
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Please MtViewGuy, gimme a hint.
I added another FF user today (Score:3, Informative)
Obligatory xkcd post (Score:5, Funny)
Unless you're a web browser developer, keeping track of global browser market-shares is just plain nerdy. But then again, this is
Statcounter is bullshit! (Score:2)
They are blocked in all ad blockers and some firewall software (those with built-in malware filters).
This is because of their web beacons that they integrate into sites, and that invade your privacy by tracking you across sites.
I had to turn off my ad blocker, to be able to open their site.
So you can guess in what direction the statistics are biased.
No it isn't (according to that site)! (Score:2)
If you look at the browsers, independent of the version:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951 [statcounter.com]
you see that IE is clearly far on top.
BUT, as I previously said, Statcounter does not count anyone with an ad blocker, in browser, in the firewall, etc.
Because they are blocked for tracking users across sites with their web beacon.
So not only are the numbers strongly biased in one direction. No TFS biases them back in the other direction.
That is, all in all, a truly epic fail. And I’m not
Who is using IE6: (Score:3, Informative)
I work for a large company with 130k employees and EVERYBODY uses IE6 because it's what the IT department mandates. To get an exception to this you have to go through so much hassle and have a business provable reason for the request.
I wish I could use a better browser, IE6 really sucks in many many ways. It's slooww, has memory leaks like you wouldn't believe and doesn't even render slashdot correctly.
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Perhaps you could try requesting an exception by saying that you need Firefox to read Slashdot?
Non uniform adoption across countries? (Score:5, Interesting)
Japan
Firefox has been having a 21-23% share for the 2 years, with IE still leading though dropping from 70 to 65%
Growth in conservative. UK seems to have a similar trend.
Singapore
About 30% share and growth is conservative.
Malaysia
Growth from 30% up to 40%, with an equal drop in IE share.
This looks like a market where Firefox can overtake IE?
France
very interesting trend. W38 2008 and W26 2009 had a short period where IE use was displaced by Firefox, but IE use was resumed in a few weeks.
Does that mean users in France are open to the idea, but still don't deem Firefox a good replacement yet?
Interestingly Vietnam seems to have a similar trend.
China
IE has 95% share all the way, with a drop recently, giving way not to Firefox, but to Maxthon.
Poland / Finland
Firefox is the most popular browser!
North Korea
Nobody really wins. Only IE, once in a while.
Antartica
Go figure. But firefox seems to be winning?
It would be nice if we could have a world map of the most popular browsers in each country
so we can adjust our expectations when talking to overseas partners...
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Using the same method as the poster, you can say that ie6 has more market share then Firefox 3
Nice way to warp the statistics (Score:4, Informative)
IE still has over 50% of the market, so firefox isn't exactly the most popular browser. Firefox is at 30% and Chrome is already at 5% and its still an infant.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad IE's share is getting smaller and smaller, but Firefox still isn't the most popular browser out there, lets actually accomplish it before we tell everyone we've accomplished it by messaging the data.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:5, Informative)
And while IE 6 may be archaic, if you have an intranet based on people using IE 6 that IE 7+, Firefox or another browser breaks, you either have to upgrade the entire intranet or keep IE 6 around.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:4, Informative)
Except that IE8 is perfectly capable of emulating both IE6's and IE7's standards-noncompliance modes, in addition to rendering in a proper (albeit lacking some newer features) standards-compliant mode.
There's no excuse. There's less than 250 hours left in this DECADE, so Win2k isn't a valid argument in my books.
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FYI the last day of this decade is December 31, 2010, which is a few more than 250 hours. Remember, our calendar uses 1-based math, not 0-based.
That being said, Win2k is still ancient history, as is IE6.
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FYI the last day of this decade is December 31, 2010
Just like there is a difference between the 20th century (which ended 2000-12-31) and the 1900s (ended 1999-12-31), when talking about decades most people seem to refer to the decade of the 80s as 1980-89, rather than the 199th decade 1981-1990.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:5, Informative)
Except that IE8 is perfectly capable of emulating both IE6's and IE7's standards-noncompliance modes.
Nope, IE8 does not emulate IE6, which is the chief problem here. (It does emulate IE5, however.)
In fact, CSS2 that "works" in IE6 is almost guaranteed to break in IE8 or any other modern browser.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:4, Funny)
Except that IE8 is perfectly capable of emulating both IE6's and IE7's standards-noncompliance modes, in addition to rendering in a proper (albeit lacking some newer features) standards-compliant mode.
I recently spent some time in Korea, working on-site for a customer who you will have heard of.
We had to set up our machine with their ghastly intranet security software. After realising that their intranet portal only works with IE due to stupid stuff like missing Javascript onClick handlers, we started the installation procedure and the requisite four reboots. It failed weirdly after reboot #3.
After some time trying to make it work, we discovered that their security software is not compatible with IE8.
Unfortunately our sysadmin is quite efficient, which means that the Windows installation had IE8 slipstreamed into it. This meant it couldn't be removed. And you can't install IE7 on a machine with IE8 on it. Which meant that the only way to progress was to reinstall Windows, from scratch, using an XP CD that the customer lent us.
...which turned out to have a virus on it.
</pissed off>
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:4, Funny)
And while IE 6 may be archaic, if you have an intranet based on people using IE 6 that IE 7+, Firefox or another browser breaks, you either have to upgrade the entire intranet or keep IE 6 around
More to the point, the following scenario tends to happen in large corporate IT...
Users: "IE6 is old, slow, and renders pages incorrectly. We'd like to install a more recent browser. As per IT policy, we are raising a support request to install non-standard software or upgrade the corporate standard image."
IT: (thinks) "Bugger, they're asking me to do some work again... hmm..." (types email)
Dear users,
In regard of your requests for Firefox or IE8. As this is a user-requested upgrade, we require you to provide a full cost-benefit analysis of the upgrade, taking into account the impact on our corporate agreements with third party hardware and software suppliers (which we will not reveal to you as they are commercial in confidence), a detailed technical analysis of the impact on all internal software infrastructure (including those under development that we won't tell you about), and the cost of manpower to perform the upgrade using specific IT staff's accurate salaries and overheads (which again we will not reveal to you). The analysis must contain a full twenty-page analysis of the benefits including time-in-motion studies. For brevity, however, the entire document must be no longer than half a page. Please deliver in person, in triplicate, printed on unicorn hide rather than paper (the IT analyst is allergic to most paper bleaches). We will then schedule the upgrade in our next user-requested improvement slot, currently scheduled for the year 5000. No there is not a timecode for your work preparing this analysis.
best regards,
Your helpful IT support team.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, checking Google Analytics for one of our websites at work has consistently shown IE6 at "just cranks and a handful of corporate users" levels for a long time now (less than 10%, down to about 5% last month or so). You'll never get rid of it completely, there are still a few nutjobs running Mac OS 9 + IE5 out there, unfortunately a lot of these people will complain loudly when things don't work for them (even though there is no chance whatsoever of most websites supporting their ancient setup).
/Mikael
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With any luck major websites will simply stop supporting IE6, no matter how loudly its users complain. Especially when the site does not derive revenue directly from its visitors, why cater to a few who are ruining the experience for the vast majority?
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Or you could use 'technology' to serve different browsers different versions of the site.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:5, Interesting)
I see "This site requires Internet Explorer 6" on our Intranet all the time. Peoplesoft for example, urgh.
Of course, the site will run perfectly with Firefox if I change the user agent string.
Corporate Intranets with lazy admins or dumb policies are what keeps IE6 alive.
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
Corporate Intranets with lazy admins or dumb policies are Microsoft's best friend.
Fixed
Re:IE6? Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
Corporate Intranets with no budget for upgrades are what keeps IE6 alive.
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> The only situation where I would use that junk is if I had a software lock-down at work
That's a nontrivial part of IE6 usage, yes. An interesting plot of IE usage vs time from June 2008 to June 2009, with both moving averages and day-by-day numbers plotted shows that a third of IE6 usage is precisely work-day usage: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/one_year_of_int.html [mozillazine.org]
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Umm... Netcraft confirms it?
Re:Given the instant speed difference alone (Score:5, Informative)
I fail to see all good news for Firefox on that page. Or, should I say that I don't see all good news for consumers.
Together, IE6, IE7 and IE8 still dominate the market. I'm afraid that will remain true for a couple more years, no matter how much pressure the rest of the world puts on the market. Separating the versions of the various browsers just clutters the picture.
If I may, I'll point out that I'm partly color blind. It's tough to see that chart. It's hard to see the "real picture". What is literally true for me, is figuratively true for those who are working so hard to track browser usage.
Is there a page that tracks usage, which lumps IE (all versions), Firefox (all versions) Opera (all versions) etc?
Ahhhhh, here we go: http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-weekly-200827-200951 [statcounter.com]
Yes indeed. Global domination by Firefox is indeed getting closer - but not this year, and probably not next year. Let's give it between 3 and 5 years, alright?
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Together, IE6, IE7 and IE8 still dominate the market. I'm afraid that will remain true for a couple more years, no matter how much pressure the rest of the world puts on the market. Separating the versions of the various browsers just clutters the picture.
While I don't agree with the rosy picture being painted, I think it's fair to say that web developers should (can?) no longer code sole
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Alright - let's be fair, please.
I've been Rickrolled with Firefox on Linux, and I've also been hijacked by those sites that tell me about infections on C:/ and ask me to click "yes" to install an antivirus to clean up my infections. Firefox on Linux, no less.
But, in each case, it is the extension which enabled malicious script to redirect me. I don't think that Firefox was at fault, but I was. Mozilla never asked me to install a bunch of crap on top of their browser. If we are going to point fingers, I
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Baby steps.
It wasn't so long ago when IE had +90% of the worldwide browser usage share. I would have had nothing against IE, if it weren't for its incompatible implementation of web standards and being Windows-only. I believe it is a crime to limit a web site access to users of a certain browser and a certain OS. Probably this is what Microsoft wanted all along, to make the WWW an extension of Windows. I experienced this first hand when some sites, like my bank, were IE-only. Luckily, for me, Wine [winehq.org] helped a
Re:Firefox / Windows 7 (Score:4, Informative)
Some Googling suggests it's a recent update with Firefox others suggest it's a Firefox / Flash issue.
A userspace application cannot cause a BSOD (kernel panic). This is strictly a driver issue, video most likely. Of course it can be triggered by Firefox/Flash/whatever combo, but the bug is still in the driver.