Nokia Names Microsoft's Elop As New CEO 140
itwbennett writes "Nokia has tapped Stephen Elop, former president of Microsoft's business software group, to become its new CEO effective Sept. 21. Elop will replace Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo, who loses his board seat immediately and will step down from the CEO position on Sept. 20. Microsoft said Elop will leave immediately, but the company doesn't seem to be rushing to fill the vacancy at the top of one of its largest divisions. 'I am writing to let you know that Stephen Elop has been offered and has accepted the job as CEO of Nokia and will be leaving Microsoft, effective immediately,' Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer wrote in a letter to employees late Thursday."
Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (Score:2)
The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...
Re:Hmm, shoulda hired from Google (Score:5, Interesting)
The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900
NITDroid(Android 2.2) runs on N900 just fine, if you don't like the Nokia software, switch.
Thats why N900 is superior platform, it gives YOU the ability to choose the OS yourself instead telling what you can and can't do with the hardware.
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Um, no. NITdroid does not let you make phone calls, and it does not support power management.
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I bought a e52 because it had a bunch of things that I wanted and hey, symbian is open source now too, right?
Well, in a word, disappointment. Serial disappointment. It's not the surface of the interface, it's not qt or lack thereof, it's complete cluelessness in functionality. Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer -- both of which are far inferior to the very same thing in my 2001 vintage 6310. The only thing you might run the "open sourced" symbian on within the f
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Every single feature disappoints in some way, down to the calendar and the timer
And yet, no specifics. Y'know I'm disappointed there isn't a Santa Claus handing out presents in the office here, but y'know, reality sucks sometimes.
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No specifics needed. E52 is a CRAP phone. Simply. It's SO crap that I really don't want to know anything about NOKIA for some coming years.
Last time I decided that about another phone and company (Ericsson) was many years ago and guess what .. how much money they've gotten
from me since then. Zip. Zero. Although that may change now. Gonna evaluate different phones from Sony-Ericsson, Samsung, HTC soon...
But no NOKIA. They shouldn't fuck their customers with phone that expensive.
Why Nokia Symbian Phones Are SHIT (Score:2)
From Colin's comments it seems that there's a person out there who hasn't realised that Nokia Symbian phones are shit. I really worry that some of these people work for Nokia and might think that it's worth trying to continue Symbian instead of killing it dead with a death target time of about two years and a move to the bottom end in one.
I've had in my life, for reasons of company policy, three Symbian phones.
The number of bugs which recur from phone to phone is astound
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From memory (thank god; I've not been using those phones for several years): Turn on autolocking because you hate making automatic calls; turn on numerical security because a) you don't want your stolen phone to be used and b) it provides better protection than the normal locking. Now wait; sometimes (but not always) yo
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unspecific whining is not information.
hth.
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Holier-than-thou declaring that the mere mention of "letdown" as the main user experience isn't enough for your taste is even less useful. hth.
Still and all, because you asked oh-so-nicely, some tidbits:
- 6310 has a "timer" feature. Not so the e52. Best you can do is set an alarm for a certain time in the future. After setting it'll "helpfully" remind you that it'll go off in N minutes. N being one less than expected based on simple time calculation. Look, that thing has enough cpu power to calculate that s
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What's wrong with the N900 is the same as the E52. It's a rush job which didn't get finished. In both cases; bug reports have almost certainly been sitting in the bug database, a list of functions is known to be missing, but the phone gets released anyway because the CEO has promised a series of new releases and needs it out fast to keep his job. In the case of Symbian, I believe this is long term unfixable, but for the N900 it should be possible. Nokia seems to have forgotten that most phone purchases
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The only reason I just bought an Android phone instead of an N900 was for Google Maps Mobile :-/ Things could have been so different...
Nokia have bought NAVTEQ about 2-3 years ago and offer OVI maps (their own version) for free to most of their smartphones. I have been using the OVI maps on my Nokia 5800 it has been pretty useful. as others have pointed out, N900 has a superior platform. however, Nokia is really lagging in their OS itself. they have just released a new Symbian 3 OS with N8 and Maemo OS with N900 and now they are working with Intel to develop another OS called MeeGo albeit, it is based on Maemo. I wish Nokia will get their
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Yeah:
Step-by-step guide for the people over at Nokia not getting it:
1) So you bought Symbian, too bad, take a loss and get rid of it.
2) So you bought Navteq, too bad, you don't need it longer.
3) Don't give people a fucking phone with a new OS and leave them alone!
4) Throw out phones with Android instead of keep on working on Symbian
5) Profit!
If they really want to risk it:
6) Develop and release Meego. Confuse everyone with the release. Try to beat Android.
7) ???
If they really need it for low-end phones:
8) T
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You are probably right that Nokia should have committed to Android at the beginning, however they've spent too long being Microsoft's on off boyfriend to get in as a serious Google partner. Their work on OVI makes it pretty clear that to everyone that they are exactly who Google shouldn't work with (unless they sell what little of OVI is worth having and prostrate themselves totally to Google; at that stage though they become just another commodity phone maker with a good logistics system but without even
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If your choice was because of GPS navigation, you managed to fail in an epic fashion. Nokia has Ovi maps which are essentially navteq's maps. They're above and beyond google maps on application and actual maps level, both in usability and accuracy.
Not to even mention actual, real fully functional offline navigation.
All in all, your post shows the reality of nokia's problem in US. They have a great product, often superior to competition, and yet the marketing is so bad that most people don't know that, and e
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relevance?
Article is about Nokia >> N900 is a Nokia phone >> original poster probably wishes nokia went droid hardcore. Nokia makes great hardware. Some people find the software lacking.
But on the other hand, lots of people love the N900 software, given it's nix. So I guess his choice to not pick a n900 is a bit bizarre. I never knew that gps was such a killer app on a phone.
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I guess his choice to not pick a n900 is a bit bizarre. I never knew that gps was such a killer app on a phone.
Especially considering that you have strictly more mapping programs for n900 than for Android. Why? You can use Google Maps (install maemo-geolocation then for extra functionalities perhaps other extensions), then you have additional programs at hand. The one that offers the best native support is probably Mappero (formerly Maemo Mapper) that can use Open Street Map (default, sucks in Poland), Google Maps, Virtual Earth, Yahoo Maps, Yandex (Russia) and "topomaps" (Finland).
Nokia's Ovi maps do suck goat b
Maemo FTW! (Score:2)
But on the other hand, lots of people love the N900 software, given it's nix.
Damn right! Maemo supremacy! \m/
(It's SO much better than the competition, I can't help but be a fanboy! :P)
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Relevance of all that?
Relevance of your inquiry?
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Word up... I'd much rather Nokia improve their US market penetration by emulating Google (or possibly even Apple, ech) than Microsoft. Merging Maemo and Moblin probably was already a good start.
But really, for me, GMM was simply one of those killer apps that really changed my quality of life, and the only thing I missed from my old blackberry that I had for work years ago. Didn't look like Ovi maps would be able to match the functionality and the user community (pics & reviews for nearby restaurants
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With the N900 you've got OVI maps, which are just as good, or sometimes better, than google maps. It also has routefinding, and turn-by turn navigation, and works very well anytime I've had to use it.
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Bullshit; or rather "I assume you are extrapolating from your experience on a Nokia symbian phone and have never actually tried using OVI maps on an N900".
Nokia was so determined to make the N900 fail that they didn't port the whole OVI map experience; despite the fact that this is a separate application so there could be no possible way that dumping programmers into it could slow down the main Maemo development. The Symbian version of OVI maps does all you say. The N900 version a) can't talk; b) doesn
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Interesting turn of fate (Score:3, Interesting)
One of the key components of Nokia's current attempt to regain relevance is the (open source) Qt toolkit, powering KDE on Linux. It will be very interesting to see how Nokia under Elop will manage that asset and how Nokia's relation to the Open Source community will evolve.
I for one wish him, Nokia and all ex-Trolls well.
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far more, nokia is embracing linux for it's next mass platform (meego) and open-sourcing it's current platforn (symbian).
i hope they will keep this attitude.
for now they are a little slow to deliver, but they are imho the most open mobiles company.
nokia owns the world (Score:3, Interesting)
except for the usa . Their only real competition are apple and google... From the usa ... They have been making smartphones for a decade and are looking to get into the usa market with stuff like the n900 and n8. They haven't been able to break the us market so far and i'll bet this is elop's first task .
The hired from Microsoft because ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (Score:5, Insightful)
On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.
On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.
I wonder which of those things would be more important to a corporation.
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And I wonder what impact he made on that? Office is as close to a rent as one could dream of.
What I wonder also is what kind of guy Elop is. If you look at his LinkedIn profile, he stayed sufficient time at his first two companies (Boston Chicken, CIO, and Macromedia). Then it's job hoping: just over 1 year at Adobe, same for the stint at Juniper, and now 2.5 years at Microsoft. That doesn't mean the guy is bad, but for the Adobe and Juniper part he left before the consequence of his decisions could be real
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I agree with pretty much all of that. It'll be interesting to see for sure.
A seagull manager? (Score:2)
It's called "seagull management."
Swoop in, shit all over the place, and leave just as fast.
We'll have to see if he is this type.
Nokia is sort of the Microsoft of phones. A gigantic bureaucracy-heavy megacorporation with the momentum - and agility - of an aircraft carrier. Even if this guy screws up badly the effects might only be noticed after he leaves, and the effects will be minimal. Nokia will still be cranking out metric fucktons of cheap phones like they always have.
Although MS handles RRODs better th
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Due in no small part, to Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive activities. It's one thing to make vast amounts of money from a monopoly, but making money in a competitive situation (where Nokia is no longer the leader) make take a different skill set.
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On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.
You meant OpenOffice.
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Well OpenOffice is definitely inelegant...bloated, maybe...but hey, it's $300-$500 less than MS Office at a thrifty $0, while still being less bloated and less inelegant.
So you can go buy yourself a game console with games, or a used car, or a laptop with the money you saved.
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On the other other hand, Office enjoys ridiculous market share and makes a staggering amount of money.
Office makes so much money due to monopoly rents. MS can charge an arm and a leg for software that has remained, in terms of core functionality, unchanged for at least the last two decades. If Nokia wanted someone who was good at leveraging an existing monopoly, Elop would be a great choice. My guess is they wanted someone who might help them create groundbreaking new products and catch up to the industry
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It's too much to give Elop credit for Office's success, but I don't think you give Office enough credit for Office's success.
Even would-be competitors that can more or less flawlessly interact with its file types are still really no competition for it. And sure, a lot of that is inertia, and each new iteration may not add features that you care about, but spend some time down in the trenches doing work for/with business users who basically live in Office and I think you get a different picture. 95%+ of th
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Office makes so much money due to monopoly rents. MS can charge an arm and a leg for software that has remained, in terms of core functionality, unchanged for at least the last two decades.
And they still got away with charging an arm and a leg after fu- uh, "changing" things up with the ribbon interface, at a point where OO.org was most competitive (which is why they invented the XML-based formats, to throw a speedbump in front of the competition).
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On the other hand MS Office as software is very bloated and inelegant.
So is Symbian.
And as someone else noted it enjoys ridiculous market share. Once again - so does Symbian.
So from a modern management perspective where managing Boston Chickin is more important than knowing the industry you manage the man is spot on for the job.
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He can't cook either (Score:2)
Don't worry, CEO's just be do the low level programming to someone else's spec.
Re:The hired from Microsoft because ... (Score:5, Interesting)
That was my first thought, but to be fair this guy is coming from one of Microsoft's most succesful divisons- the one that brings in one of the largest shares of Microsoft's profits, whilst Microsoft's attempts at entering the mobile market have not come from this division.
It's unlikely this fellow had much real involvement in Windows Mobile, but does have experience of running one of the most succesful divisions of the largest tech company in the world.
My biggest concern if anything would be that perhaps this background may leave him too business focussed, and with the current battle for mobile phones being more centred around fun and personal use he may end up just pushing dull handsets that only compete with the likes of the Blackberry and aren't interesting enough to challenge Android and iPhones in the hearts of consumers. Potentially though his skills are transferrable and working in a business focussed division doesn't mean he can't use his management skills on non-business focussed stuff too.
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And he's ex-Juniper
Besides, I hope Nokia did their homework
Microsoft? (Score:2, Insightful)
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I know Nokia still sells a lot of phones, but they are mostly in lower profit area of the market.
Re:Microsoft? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not really. This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer. Elop probably has a proven track record in managing Microsoft's business-software division (which does better than most divisions at MS) so they want him to deliver the same success to Nokia.
Also, it's worth noting that Nokia's financial success is not dependent on competing with Apple in the smartphone market. They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.
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This guy is taking the role of CEO, not chief engineer.
Thank you. Most people seem to have missed the point that he's going to be in charge of the business end, not product development.
Granted, the two are obviously intertwined, but he's going to be dealing with money and people, not the decisions about what software to pursue/cancel except on a big picture scale.
Feature phones are dying (Score:3, Interesting)
They could simply continue making featurephones and dominate that segment, and make tons of money doing so.
That's like saying Dell or HP can continue to make commodity PCs and dominate that segment. While it may be true, the statement misses the fact that as the mobile market matures, feature phones will become a smaller and smaller slice of the overall pie. Moore's Law is relentless; the feature phone is dying as smartphones become the standard. There is no way Nokia execs are sitting around a big table
Re:Microsoft? (Score:4, Insightful)
True, but I'm not sure there is such a thing as a functional chief engineer in the consumer space. If they were designing aircraft, I can see the suits deferring to the engineers except for general requirements, budgets, and such. It'll probably be harder to convince any CEO that he doesn't understand cell phones enough to have an opinion...
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Re:Microsoft? -UPDATE- (Score:2)
LoB
Staggeringly Delusional (Score:2, Interesting)
"Google, at least, is giving Apple a run for its money"
Just how delusional can you possibly be?
Google's Android dumped Apple into 3rd place in the cellphone market two quarters ago. And Google dumped RIM into 2nd place this last quarter.
Android was selling at a rate of 200,000 new phones a day/73 million a year a few months ago. And that rate has been increasing at a tremendous rate quarter after quarter for the past two years.
Perhaps you spend your day sitting around in Starbucks, but out in the real world
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Out in the real world, Apple makes more money than all the other smartphone manufacturers combined. (Well, almost - only 44%: http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/19/htc-how-they-compare/ [asymco.com] Scroll to the bottom to see earnings percentages)
You can keep your marketshare. Apple will take the money.
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Depends on the metrics. I'm sure Apple makes oodles more money with the iPhone and related stuff (content, accessories) than Google is making with Android and related stuff.
I'm fairly sure RIM is, too.
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It's disingenuous to call it Google beating Apple. It's more like a group of manufacturers (HTC, Motorola, Samsung to name a few) all using the Android system that are beating Apple's iPhone.
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Someone had to coordinate, and stick their neck out... and put together a package that sells.
Re:Microsoft? (Score:4, Insightful)
Because you're experienced in hiring executives and know that executive != company. Which google exec [google.com] would you go for? How many executives at a company primarily focused on advertising would really be appropriate to run one of the largest manufacturing companies in the world? I have no idea. Are you just more willing to share your opinion on matters you don't have in depth knowledge of, or is hiring execs your day job?
MeeGo? (Score:3, Interesting)
I guess this doesn't sound like good news for MeeGo. But maybe I'm too harsh. If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.
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If Nokia really wants to be a big player in the smartphone market they will have to continue with MeeGo.
WTF? Please define "smartphone".
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Well, I suppose he meant "the US smartphone market" (because, you know, the remaining of the "world" is irrelevant).
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Yeahbut. Aren't the global market and the US market just the same thing?
Oh wait. No.
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I live in Europe. The US phone market is irrelevant to me. To Nokia too I guess, because it's such a small market. Only 300 million people against 550 million or so in Europe, and 2 billion or so in Asia and Africa.
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Toast!
Nokia has removed all reference (except a few straggling pages) for the N900 from http://www.nokiausa.com/ [nokiausa.com] already. The N900 is no longer for sale from Nokia USA.
This is sad, and I am sure you will be seeing Windows Mobile on Nokia phones in the future. You don't just leave Microsoft any more than you leave the Mafia.
Truly a sad day.
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I have an N900. I like it a lot. It's not tied to anything, like the iPhone, and to a much lesser extend Android and Windows are.
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Business manager types care not about the implementation. They care about vision.
Nokia is dead set on MeeGo, Qt, and all that open source Jazz. Expect this man's vision to be implemented that way.
Windows [mobile]/[phone] (Score:3, Insightful)
Uh, why Microsoft? I think they've proven they suck with anything "cool", especially in the mobile realm. Android is now starting to steamroll BB in stats, and has a cool tablet coming out. Why would a mobile company trying to 'come back' (of sorts) hire a MS person? I don't get it.
Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe Nokia's hoping to move in more of a business direction and eat up Blackberry's market?
Elop comes from Office, which is about as close to a license to print money as you can get in the Office world. Clearly he knows something about managing a product that the business world will want. Cue a handful of people who are convinced that any day now Google Docs or OO will finally make real headway against Office in much the same way that Cubs fans are convinced that this will be their year in the World Series, but seriously -- even if Office somehow went down in flames today, it's still enjoyed utter dominance of its market for, what, 15 years? I'm sure if Nokia ended up with only that kind of dominance over business smartphones out of this move (and I don't think they will, but for the sake of argument... ) they'd be happy with it.
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I think the Cubs have a better chance of making the World Series than Google Docs or OpenOffice have of making any threat against MSOffice. For any/many number of reasons, MSOffice is the gold standard, and probably has a 99.99% share in businesses, personal computers, schools, and elsewhere. The portion of people actually using GoogDocs or OOo as their primary and every-day office-suite is likely to be very, very small. And yes, the Slashdot crowd doesn't exactly model "the average user".
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Hmm - but I would argue that Office has been able to phone it in for the past 15 years - and so where has Elop learned to handle to difficulties of a real market place? And even though we know Microsoft is rife with infighting I doubt anyone messes much with the Office division - so he wouldn't have got many hard knocks there either.
Still seems like an odd choice.
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Re:Windows [mobile]/[phone] (Score:5, Insightful)
This guy isn't Mr Microsoft. He simply worked for them. Have some damn perspective.
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What they will learn is that without billions of dollars backing him up so he can spend hundreds of millions on marketing, , Stephen Elop has less than a 50%
News for PHBs (Score:1, Insightful)
Stuff that matters to stuffed suits in accounts receivable.
Kill Qt - go Mono ... (Score:2, Funny)
Awesome. He should dead the lame S40 + Symbian + MeeGo plans and make plain a Windows 7 compatible (Linux plus Mono) play to beat Android. Nokia needs big new attack to stay relevant, and symbian and Qt no good at all ever.
Kin? (Score:2)
Why I'm not sure that hiring a person that worked for the producers of Kin (AND Zune) is the best way to save Nokia from decline?
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What decline? They've lost market share because the market has grown so much. They sold over 5 million more smartphones 2009 Q2 -> 2010 Q2 source: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013
Imagine now ... (Score:3, Funny)
Elop is a software guy (Score:5, Informative)
A lot of people are asking why a guy from Microsoft?
Basically, Nokia didn't hire a "Microsoft exec", but Stephen Elop of lately Microsoft, but previously of Juniper Networks, Adobe and Macromedia, a software guy with a reputation of excellent communication skills. That might be a very good move, Nokia can make mobile hardware as well as anyone, it's their software and services that have been the problem and not just lately, but at least since 2000.
One of article gives a good overview.
http://www.itworld.com/business/120236/nokia-names-microsofts-elop-new-ceo
The Guardian has very nice article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/sep/10/nokia-stephen-elop-smartphone
Only thing I can think to add, that I read in Finnish media, was that Elop handled Microsoft's relations with Nokia and is relatively well known inside Nokia's boardroom already.
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I think Micrsoft is the new Scarlet Letter of resumes for some people. ;)
I admit though, the first thing I thought when I read the title was: "Great, now MS is going to farm off their execs to get people to build Windows Phone 7 devices."
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Rescuing Nokia? A former exec has a radical plan
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/print.html [theregister.co.uk]
unfortunate accident.. (Score:5, Funny)
just one question: (Score:2)
And why am I the first one to think of it?
It won't last. (Score:1, Interesting)
This won't last long. Long assignments don't fit by the business profile of the character.
Worst: North American can never ever fit into the the Nordic work tradition and culture. He will feel pretty limited and lonely there.
Conclusion: this might lead to astonishing wins on short term (call it "reorganization") but after that he will leave to yet another challenge.
The battle will keep on between Google and Apple, with M$ as side player collecting reasonably good wins with relatively little innovation.
Whethe
Now Nokia is really fucked (Score:3, Interesting)
The guy is nothing but a bunch of hot air. He did almost nothing for Office, he came in after Raikes left in 2008, and it was Raikes who ran Office division so successfully. A monkey with half a brain could continue running this monopoly. They needed someone who knows what to do with the company. Elop certainly does not.
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A lot of people left for Windows because Sinofsky is currently considered heir to the throne once Ballmer is shown the door. So they want to align themselves to the next CEO.
And the CIO is Microsoft Bob! (Score:2)
My eyes read that heading wrong. I saw:
Nokia Names Microsoft's Flop As New CEO
Now, I know that Nokia would have plenty of these to emulate, but, really, to make Windows Vista your CEO, wow.
Can anyone give me.. (Score:1)
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Get Nokia [theregister.co.uk]. Marc Brown [theregister.co.uk] wasn't in phones either. Dominance of Nokia and Symbian would trump Android [computerworld.com]. Microsoft poaches two Symbian execs. [theregister.co.uk] Gates' retaliation plans. [theregister.co.uk]
Any other questions?
Nothing. (Score:2, Insightful)
These issues have everything to do with the topic. Every possible corner of the topic is covered in these issues. We have Mobile competetive field, Microsoft executive moving to competitor, deals with the devil, partnership potentials, future potentials, breach of faith and so on. We don't have the death of the moved-to company yet because Nokia is not yet in that phase of the engagement.
And yet I'm going to relent. After further consideration Nokia is too smart to be bought off by Microsoft, too big t
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Microsoft's Marc Brown [theregister.co.uk] had nothing to do with phones either, when he took a seat on the board of Sendo.
He was then and remained through the project, an employee of Microsoft.
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Since he came from the Microsoft business section I assume he may actually have some good ideas for how to make it a nice business phone.
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