Museum Helps Domesday Reloaded Project 70
purehavnet writes "For many months the volunteers at the Centre for Computing History have been working on capturing and preserving the data from the BBC Domesday System. A complete set of data from the community disc was supplied to the BBC, who have now released the Domesday Reloaded project. This allows most of the community data from the original system to be viewed online."
Ah, Domesday. (Score:3, Funny)
...That final, ultimate end when the Earth will be covered by giant... domes.
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Not only that, this is Domesday Reloaded. Where the mechanical squid make their coordinated assault on the domes that protect us.
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http://rubbersuitstudios.com/ptcct.htm [rubbersuitstudios.com]
Read the gospel tract of Cthulhu, and be SAVED (well, hors d'oeuvres anyway)
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"update this picture" (Score:3)
Please tell me that it adds rather than replaces. Also, where is the downloadable copy? All I want is a copy of the laserdisc etc.
And the UI is a noisy, muddled pain. There were fewer distractions in 1986.
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Please tell me that it adds rather than replaces. Also, where is the downloadable copy? All I want is a copy of the laserdisc etc.
A more pertinent question would be - where can I get a working copy of the hardware to play the laserdisc?
This update is long overdue, and so long as all the data is there, the web is a far better place for this project, as someone else (you for example) can take all the data and repackage it with a better UI and redistribute, which couldn't be done with the original analogue files without a huge amount of extra hassle and a working version of the original hardware/software, which in 100 years will be forgo
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Well, I accept a digital conversion of the laserdiscs of sufficient bitrate not to lose any data :-).
Microfiching and read-only digital archiving with regular copying are appropriate for all such cultural artifacts, of course. And the Domesday project was fairly unique in that it collected a lot of data by the method of "having a casual chat with the guy down the road who actually does stuff", rather than the much more sterile and indirect e.g. Wikipedia procedure of finding an article in a "reliable source
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Microfiching and read-only digital archiving with regular copying are appropriate for all such cultural artifacts, of course.
Meh. Microfilm isn't nearly as good as it is advertised to be. It's bad at photographs or anything in color, the film isn't as stable as one would hope, and it's usually not verified to be readable when it is made (this also happens with Google books at times). Since the process for making microfilm is usually destructive (they chop up books to stack the pages more neatly) and the goal is rather destructive as well (the heart of the policy isn't mere preservation but also the wholesale disposal of paper boo
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Hell yes, I am not advocating microfiche as a substitute for preservation of the originals. I am just strongly in favour of making copies which can be read without requiring society to remain stable and replete with advanced digital technology.
Re:"update this picture" (Score:4, Informative)
All I want is a copy of the laserdisc etc.
Much of the data on the laserdisc is analogue. The images definitely are.
Even the digital data is stored in an audio track - not sure if it was played through the cassette port of the BBC micro to decode or whether the laserdisc hardware did the decoding.
Tim.
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No, the digital data is not stored on an audio track. It's stored as digital data, with the modified Laserdisc player appearing as a SCSI disk.
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If I recall correctly, video was encoded in a modulated analog signal. So the data is pulled off of the disc and ran through a DAC, and a composite analog video signal is created. This is opposed to how DVDs and Blu-Rays work, where the video is stored digitally, decompressed and an analog video signal is created, if an analog monitor is used.
Analog audio could be stored along with the modulated video, along with a couple of digital PCM encoded audio tracks, which is usually where data was stored if needed.
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Please tell me that it adds rather than replaces. ...
I saw something about it on the TV yesterday (was it?) ... they're replacing the old tech with new (internet based) tech, then people will be able (asked? encouraged? now that I don't know!) to add more stuff. Specifically, I think they want people to go to where the various photos were taken and take new ones of what it looks like now ... that sort of thing.
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All I want is a copy of the laserdisc etc.
Probably wouldn't do you much good - the Domesday system used a new "standard" called LV-ROM which stored analogue video and digital data on the laserdisc. I think that the format was only ever used by Domesday and one or two other educational projects. So even if you've got a lasevision movie player stashed away for whenever you want to see Han shoot first it won't get at the data. LV-ROM players had a SCSI interface - Other laserdisc players just had a RS232 interface for computer-controlled playback.
Als
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The Shadow out of Slashdot. Nicely done.
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I don't know if you were alive in the '80s but "beating with a stick", aka caning, was fairly standard in regular (almost always Christian, though not necessarily very religious) private schools back then, and in state schools not much earlier. Some of my earliest school memories are of the slower kids being hit with a ruler.
Pity it isn't still done today.. (Score:2, Offtopic)
... instead of being left with the result of a liberal left wing teaching establishment that has increasingly let kids run riot over the last few decades culminating with headmasters being stabbed outside his own school. Of course if anyone ever criticised this politically correct insanity you instantly they were instantly labelled as some kind of ranting right wing child abuser who wanted to go back to the days of kids up chimneys. Rational discussion was off the table and the inmates have taken over the a
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Hilarios pal. But unlike people like you I don't need to justify my beliefs anymore - the proof is out there on the streets. When left wing fuckwits like you eventually wake up to the problems you've caused it'll be too late. If it isn't already.
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But unlike people like you I don't need to justify my beliefs anymore - the proof is out there on the streets
What, in the form of the lowest crime rates ever, approximately 15% of what they were 20 years ago?
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The *youth* crime rate is one of the highest ever.
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Well, actually, hitting the slower children didn't make them smarter, it just made them cry (and you'd probably be better off rewarding kids who refuse to memorise a religious text rather than hitting them).
But carry on, Violet - this is the Internet after all.
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I wasn't talking about hitting the slower kids but the badly misbehaved ones. And yes , it did make them behave. But lets not let facts get in the way of your self righteous little feelgood post.
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I recall one kid who was hit when he misbehaved. When he was hit, IIRC, he'd deliberately shit his pants to annoy the teacher. This slap in the face of teacher's almighty authority[tm] in full view of the whole class was enough to stop the class taking the teacher's authority seriously. It's hard to respect someone three times your size who is outwitted and out-willed by a kid under the age of 10.
Of course, eventually she learnt her lesson and stopped hitting the kid. It turns out that not rising to a chall
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"When he was hit, IIRC, he'd deliberately shit his pants to annoy the teacher."
A very likely story. But even if it is true, how many of the other kids *didn't* shit their pants but behaved a lot better? I have memories of school too funnily enough and the teachers who had the most discipline had the best behaved classes. The ones who tried to be nice to the kids and "be their friend" (usually women) ended up with anarchy.
"Punishment in general (do not confuse this with reward-based incentive nor removal for
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A very likely story.
As well as witnessing it and hearing it happen elsewhere, I recall Woolf's biography of Roger Fry describing a similar incident. Perhaps it's a common way for young English boys to respond to flogging.
how many of the other kids *didn't* shit their pants but behaved a lot better?
None.
have memories of school too funnily enough and the teachers who had the most discipline had the best behaved classes. The ones who tried to be nice to the kids and "be their friend" (usually women) ended up with anarchy.
I've never been in a class experiencing "anarchy", although the best way for a teacher to gain respect was to show a high level of competence and combine this with a willingness to engage and discuss. Physical action by teachers all but disappeared beyond pre-preparatory school, although I recall around t
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"As well as witnessing it and hearing it happen elsewhere, I recall Woolf's biography of Roger Fry describing a similar incident. Perhaps it's a common way for young English boys to respond to flogging."
Or perhaps you're just talking out your arse. Which would be fairly apt.
"None."
Really? You did an observational study did you? Because its contrary to my experiences.
"I've never been in a class experiencing "anarchy","
Perhaps you should have gone to an inner london comprehensive like I did instead of some po
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Or perhaps you're just talking out your arse. Which would be fairly apt.
Well, I can't give you proof of what I witnessed, can I? Would it help if I told you that the misbehaving boy's name was George and the slow kid was Giles? Well, of course not, but there you go...
But I also gave you an account by a famous author which you can check to show you that it does happen.
Really? You did an observational study did you? Because its contrary to my experiences.
We were talking about my experiences. Yes, I did "observe" my own experiences.
Perhaps you should have gone to an inner london comprehensive like I did instead of some posh boarding school.
No, that's OK, I'd rather go to the posh boarding school which educates you than the inner London comprehensive which hits you. Wouldn't
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I said:
Provide evidence in the form of research results which demonstrate that corporal punishment is effective.
You say:
There's no correlation between the punishment of bad behaviour, and a corresponding increase in good behaviour? Are you really saying that!?
(1) "!?" is not a suitable argument technique - it shows that you're flustered by an attempt to poke at your prejudice with reason;
(2) You've erected a straw man: we're discussing corporal punishment, not punishment in general;
(3) Even your straw man is fairly sturdy: punishment of general bad behaviour (e.g. by locking up in jail) isn't a very good deterrent. It tends at worst to be no better than much cheaper and more humane methods of modifying behaviour. Soooo much research on recidivism.
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Actually - what you have there is an assertion, not a fact.
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I'd pronounce Viol8 as Violate rather than Violet, which fits the subject rather better too.
spelt with a z, American, never been to UK (Score:2)
He spelt "colonised" with a z, he's an American, AC is talking about the UK and they've never been to the UK, doesn't know anything about it.
Next troll please, try a little harder.
School essays (Score:3, Insightful)
They essays that accompany each grid square remind me of the pieces we were made to write at school. Unsurprising really as a vast number were contributed by British school children back in the eighties. The everyday banality is quite interesting, as the world has moved on a great deal since then.
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Now if only I could remember what I wrote.
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Mine's on there. East Mersea Oyster Fisheries :)
Credits to the school and to my geography teacher don't appear until you read all the way through to the last of the East Mersea entries, though.
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I vaguely remember writing something at school in the 80's (on the school's single BBC Micro that got wheeled around between classrooms on a trolley) that may well have been intended for this project. Seeing this does ring a bell.
Anyway, anything I wrote as a child in the 1980's certainly wouldn't be worth reading today.
Will there be a (Score:1)
Doomsday Revolutions ?
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33-1/3 revolutions per minute.
Sit on that and spin, dude-at-lit-table-in-student-center.
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The site works well for me; I've got my account prefs set to use the old Discussion System (D1).
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The site works well for me; I've got my account prefs set to use the old Discussion System (D1).
Well, sure, I did the same, but it's ridiculous that we need to go and use an older version because some twits completely screwed up the implementation of the new-and-improved version. I LIKED the old dynamic layout. It was a heck of a lot more convinient than D1. But once they made these newest changes, it got so goddamn frustrating that I had no choice but to switch to D1. As a result, I end up missing a lot of the discussions, and spending less time on the site. If they had any common sense, they'd
I don't have a problem with firefox 3.6 but... (Score:2)
.... they obviously don't test their code with all the browsers out there which does smack of lazyness and a can't be bothered attitude. If you're running a geek site at least get coders who care about the software that runs it.
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Perhaps this is a Firefox problem, I too have the same issues with Firefox 4.0.1, but I'm running Win7 (again, fully patched)
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Same problem here - but FF3.6 and Win7
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I run 3.6 on LInux and don't have the problem. Must be a FF on windows issue.
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You are seriously off-topic, as am I (hence the anonymous), but I whole heartedly agree with you.
I will try the trick below though, trying 'old discussion form'.
Kind regards,
A.C. (do not want to destroy my karma).
The irony is ... (Score:2)
... if they'd kept the raw analogue copies of the original video and image data it would have been a hell of a lot easier to port it to the web. Its still easy to find something that will read a VHS or Betamax tape compared to a laserdisk , never mind a laserdisk in LV-Rom format.
Don't Panic! (Score:2)
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Well, I'm 36 years old and have lived in Britain all my life, and neither I, nor any of my family, nor the majority of my friends have had any significant trouble. Britain really is mostly harmless, frothing at the mouth tabloid headlines to the contrary.
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Not Centre for Computing History (Score:1)
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i hope it fares better (Score:2)
than the matrix reloaded
there "reloaded" titles don't have a good track record
Waiting until Domesday (Score:2)
...the BBC, who have now released the Domesday Reloaded project
I'm confused. I thought Domesday was supposed to be on the 21st of this month. Did they release early?
can't trust the BBC to preserve things (Score:2)