Peter Adekeye Freed, Judge Outraged At Cisco's Involvement 271
puppetman writes "Ars Technica has an article relating the recent release of Peter Adekeye, a former Cisco employee who was arrested in Canada on trumped-up charges that appear to have been fabricated by Cisco. Slashdot covered the story back in April, 2011, during which time Mr Adekeye was still being detained. In the ruling, the judge squashed the US extradition request, rebuked both the Canadian and American authorities for 'an appalling abuse of process,' and goes as far as to say that the criminal proceeding was launched on behalf of Cisco, to mirror the civil proceedings that Mr Adekeye had launched against the powerful Cisco." The full judgement (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
Great. It's "damning". Yay.
Will we see any penalties for Cisco breaking the law?
*crickets*
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Good thing they aren't dealing with the UN. We all know how scary their actions are.
Marc Emery? (Score:3)
precedent is a powerful thing (Score:2)
years from now, maybe 10, maybe 20, there will be other cases like this.
the defense attorneys will go "Look, what the courts already ruled in 2011. Look what the judge said."
Judges in the US often rely heavily on precedent, and the future judge will go "oh. . . wow. that judge was pissed. dismissed with prejudice!"
Re:precedent is a powerful thing (Score:4, Insightful)
They don't rely much on Canadian precedent, though.
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Canadian courts do, eh?
extradition cases (Score:5, Interesting)
linuxrocks points out that Canadian courts will look at this precedent, even if American's don't.
however the DOJ has to deal with courts in other countries. especially in extradition cases, of course.
cases like this are embarassements. when other countries completely trash our justice system, it looks bad, it makes the US look bad, and it makes the president look bad. this is not some crazy anti-american judge in a dictatorship, this is an ordinary canadian judge, whose justice system largely derives from the same source (english common law) as ours does.
its not just about the precedent in US law... the DOJ has to look at what a Canadian court is likely to do, before it orders extradition. So the US prosecutors will be looking at the history of Canadian law, and deciding whether or not they have a chance of extraditing someone, before they spend all of the time and money, and risk embarassing losses, to actually try to do it.
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US Judges typically follow things on a global level to some degree...while they probably won't cite it as precedent it can be sure that for such a high profile case that judges are well aware of what's happened here.
Re:precedent is a powerful thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah but in the US 'global' means 'on the land mass between New York and San Fransisco.'
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Interesting)
The current judgement was only to apply the 'stay of proceedings' on the extradition request, as that was what the client sought. It appears Mr. Adekeye will be launching a claim against Cisco, and hopefully this will get the mainstream media on the story.
He's been trying to enter the U.S. for years, but would not break visa (which has also apparently been used against him, and Cisco attemting contempt of court pleadings even though they very clearly knew exactly why he was not there, and where he was.
Claiming he was a Nigerian citizen pretending to travel under a U.K. password and 'claiming to live in Switzerland'. This lie was repeated during the extradition request to the Canadian authorities, even though his completely valid U.K. passport had very recently spent 5 weeks in the London U.S. Embassy, a fact that was also known to Cisco and presumably Cisco's councel.
If the U.S. authorities wanted him arrested, the easiest way would have been to respond to one of his multiple and very recent requests to enter the U.S.
There's a lot more, if someone else who read the whole thing could respond with more highlights, that'd probably be informative.
In conclusion, what seems to have happened here is that Cisco, in retaliation for a lawsuit against them, has colluded illegally with the U.S. Justice Department on using deceit and lies, abuse of process and every legal bullshit tactic the nastiest lawyer team from hell could think up to put the defendant under maximum legal pressure since a company he is involved with had the audacity to sue Cisco. Oh, and the settlement in the lawsuit seems to have favored said company and not Cisco.
This is so nasty I'll be demanding a written response from Cisco on what measures they are taking to ensure this never happens again if I am to be in conscience ever to recommend a Cisco product again.
And I hope his suit for damages (and hopefully punitive damage) gets the attention it deserves and that he is awarded ample millions and Cisco and the Department of Justice a public and very heavy black eye. This is behavior we cannot accept from corporations or anyone.
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Oh, and a good way to force Cisco to make some kind of statement would be to request them from your Cisco representatives, on Cisco forums like http://forums.cisco.com/ecom/web/sms3/forums/-/message_boards/category/13121 [cisco.com] , etc.
Sending printed letters to
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134 USA
is also probably a good idea.
I mean, if they lay flat, fire the legal team in question and commit to publically planning how to ensure abuses of process of this scale, or even far lower scales will h
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, and a good way to force Cisco to make some kind of statement would be to request them from your Cisco representatives, on Cisco forums like http://forums.cisco.com/ecom/web/sms3/forums/-/message_boards/category/13121 [cisco.com] , etc.
Sending printed letters to
Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134 USA
is also probably a good idea.
I mean, if they lay flat, fire the legal team in question and commit to publically planning how to ensure abuses of process of this scale, or even far lower scales will never happen again, that'd probably be a good move.
If they don't respond with a great amount of humility and regret, I know I'll stay as far away from Cisco and their surrounding chain of companies as practical, and make a habit of informing my customers on good reasons to avoid Cisco.
Minor correction :-p
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Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't imagine any reason at all that each and every person who signed off on this shouldn't be immediately arrested and held without bail on charges of kidnapping, wrongful imprisonment, perjury, wire fraud and contempt of court.
I am all too painfully aware that the law is for peons, not corporate lawyers and government officials and so they will face no penalty at all, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't face charges.
If there is an actual honest law enforcement agency still functioning out there, kindly arrest these lawless thugs. If not, why should we obey any of them for any reason?
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
If not, why should we obey any of them for any reason?
They'll shoot your baby if you chose not to. That's the ugly truth, and the basis for our system of government.
Time for an evolution.
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Sadly agreed.
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And your dogs.
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Time for an evolution.
pokemon style? "My government evolved into a charizard!"
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Sad truth of revolution.
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If you're willing to sacrifice others to meet your goals, you will simply replace the current tyrant with yourself. The only real difference between tyranny and freedom is that under tyranny, people are considered expendable, and under freedom they're not. Everything else is just details.
This is the truth that seems to be too hard for most revolutionaries to swallow, thus they usually result in repressive dictatorships, no matter what their nominal goals were. Though times require a strong backbone, least y
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I wish it made sense for Canada to revoke all of its extradition treaties with the US over this. Unfortunately, that would mean Canada would become a haven for actual criminals, which would be quite bad for Canadians. I do think though that Canada should seriously rethink extradition issues and make it much, much harder for the US to extradite people as a result of this.
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I wish it made sense for Canada to revoke all of its extradition treaties with the US over this. Unfortunately, that would mean Canada would become a haven for actual criminals, which would be quite bad for Canadians
Then maybe not revoke, but "suspend pending an investigation". That would at least get the attention of the international press.
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
Canada should file an extradition request for the Americans involved in this ;)
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Wait... Does anyone still buy cisco? I thought they jumped the shark years ago, and have just turned into a another Oracle.. Invent nothing, acquire everything..
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Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
What about this: Cisco and Adekeye agreed that the court proceedings would be held in Vancouver from 18-20th of May because he was denied visa. On 19th they filed the criminal complaint alleging that he was likely to flee after the hearing. The Canadian authority was not informed that the hearing had a legal value and interrupted it so that in the end Adekeye could not testify. Talk about good timing...
Also of note that the judge was outraged as well at the US Secret Service, since all this ploy could not be effected without the help of the sovereign state.
As I understand it: in the last year this guy could not leave Canada, meet his family in Switzerland nor work. All because the USSS decided to give a hand to Cisco in smearing him and paint him in a bad light for the antitrust trial. I would be surprised if the judge was not outraged.
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Interesting)
In short; this is corruption at a very high level. Corruption of the DOJ by a large corporation. Corruption of the legal process itself.
In a civilized nation there would be retaliation against those involved. Let's see how the US handles this.
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Funny)
Let's see how the US handles this.
Chances are, they will probably bomb Nigeria ...
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You're an optimist, indeed. Far more likely that they accidentally bomb Namibia instead.
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Corruption is legal in the US. Nothing will happen.
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Definitely. This deserves to be all over the media. Lots of big people in the DoJ need to be fired over this, and hopefully charged with some serious crimes. Investigation corruption in the immigration service seems also very necessary.
Cisco and the DoJ owe Adekeye at least a year of his life back.
I know the system gets abused, but this is the most outrageous and despicable example I've seen in some time.
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Canadians are smart enough to see that Cisco is the bigger criminal here. Had Cisco actually has a case with respect to corporate espionage, they should have stuck with that, instead of stooping to this level of corruption and abuse. But they probably didn't have a case anyway, considering that they effectively lost the civil settlement.
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Funny)
They will be fined, possibly up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. What greater deterrent could there be?
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Interesting)
Corporate Death Penalty and Billion Dollars in Penalties, arresting all senior officers and the Board of Directors. The Buck stops THERE.
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Corporate Death Penalty and Billion Dollars in Penalties, arresting all senior officers and the Board of Directors. The Buck stops THERE.
But, but, but... shareholders!
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Funny)
Corporate Death Penalty and Billion Dollars in Penalties, arresting all senior officers and the Board of Directors. The Buck stops THERE.
But, but, but... shareholders!
Ok, arrest them too.
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Corporate Death Penalty and Billion Dollars in Penalties, arresting all senior officers and the Board of Directors. The Buck stops THERE.
But, but, but... shareholders!
They would lose their money up to at most the value of their shareholding; that's what a limited liability corporation is, folks. Invest your money in a company that gets busted for illegal behavior and you lose it without compensation. That's the basic rules, do your homework before investing. (This is why investors tend to be excessively keen on executive officers being law-abiding, because being an ordinary investor in a corp that's being involuntarily wound up is not a good place to be; you're last in l
Not a bad idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Corporate Death Penalty
Since the US treats corporations as individuals this is not a bad idea and has the huge benefit that nobody actually dies. Just shut the corporation down, all property is confiscated and sold to recompense the victims and any excess donated to relevant charities and all IP is released the to public domain (to repay damage to society the company caused). Executives get nothing - all pay, bonues, pensions etc cancelled (and they may be liable for further criminal charges/penalties if warranted) and most importantly even the shareholders get nothing so that they are very strongly motivated to not turn a blind eye if they suspect something is rotten.
Of course we will never see anything like that actually happen because the corporations are far too powerful but wouldn't that be an amazing deterrent to corporate misbehaviour!
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Re:Not a bad idea (Score:4, Insightful)
"Only a few are guilty; all are responsible."
Too many people drone in corporations and enable this kind of clusterfuckery. If something like a corporate death penalty was a reality, people would ask more questions about their place of work and possibly refuse to cooperate with any of the abuses that take place.
While many of these abuses are the result of skulduggery by select executives, actual execution of these schemes involves the culpability of many.
"I was just following orders" wasn't acceptable at Nuremberg and it shouldn't be acceptable now.
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"I was just following orders" wasn't acceptable at Nuremberg and it shouldn't be acceptable now.
Yes, but not every person wearing a German uniform was tried at Nuremberg. They actually figured out who was directly involved with the crime and punished them.
Go ahead and punish anybody who knew what was going on, or should have known. On the other hand, does the guy fixing Cisco routers in some closet in Kansas need to be dragged into this?
If you punish the senior executives and those directly involved, the rest will follow.
I was on a jury where the Nuremburg issue came up - cops not quite following co
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News of the world (Score:2)
Well, the NotW was killed and before the corpse was even cold all the bleeding hearts on the right and left were crying about the poor innocent victims of it all.
The newspapers will call for thougher measures against drunk driving to save the children but when the a drunk driving mother is sentenced to jail those same newspapers cry out about her poor children.
The world has become controlled by bleeding hearts and nimby drones to the point nothing can get done anymore.
Simple test, EVERYONE who has expressed
Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
hundreds of thousands? Big freakin' deal.
You could start by:
1) Formally dissolving the company
2) Nullifying all issued stock as the company is dissolved and no longer has any value or shares
3) Auctioning off all material goods, patents, and merchandise to the highest bidder, with all proceeds to go to:
a) The poor defendant in an amount determined by a jury, and then tripled
b) All non-managerial and non-legal team, particularly any that were paid in stock
4) Immediately freeze all managerial and legal team fiscal assets
5) Nullify the corporate veil
6) Arrest all managerial and legal team members. Throw the whole book at them... include RICO charges if possible
7) Follow up with SWAT team raid of justice department members involved in collusion. Throw them into general populace if convicted.
Fining somebody who makes billions a percent of that is irrelevant. I want to see someone executed for this perversion of justice.
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Re:Yay. (Score:5, Insightful)
Welcome to Plutocracy, HG wells warned us all decades ago, and Samuel Zane Battens almost a century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy [wikipedia.org]
“Countless people will hate the new world order and will die protesting against it "
– H.G. Wells, The New World Order (1939)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_(Wells) [wikipedia.org]
It's a big club, and you ain't in it (Score:2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q [youtube.com]
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The real crooks here aren't just Cisco, but also the US government that allowed itself on multiple occasions to be used as Cisco's puppets, using lies and deception in order to abuse the immigration, as well as civil and criminal process to ruin this man's ability to defend himself or run his business.
If anyone still doubted that the US government is in the pockets of the big corporations, then surely this is the definitive evidence that should convince them. The US justice department and immigration servic
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Your comment tagline says "Anonymous Coward" but your comment screams Zach De La Rocha. How's Tom?
Re:Yay. (Score:4, Insightful)
The rich have always been in control. Always have been, always will be. It's the golden rule:
He who has the gold makes the rules
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You can bet Cisco will feel the pain if they're banned from doing business in Canada. I don't think that'd be sufficient punishment, but it's enough to hurt.
So (Score:3, Interesting)
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"there are still actual judges on this planet after all .....
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Notice this judge is not an American one. If it were you bet he would probably be in the slammer as many judges are elected by businesses who lobby for pro corporate friendly judges to rule in their favor. Canada has actual sanity and does not allow this appauling abuse.
Re:So (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:So (Score:4, Informative)
You mean, except get bin Laden, get Healthcare reform passed and stave off another Great Depression.
But, yeah obviously he's only been talking because none of that ever happened...
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stave off another Great Depression.
A) A lot of the measures touted as "staving off the great depression" were agreed upon before Obama was elected
B) we dont know that it would have been a great depression
C) The unemployment rate has gotten worse since he got into office
But he sure does like to rail against the fat cats, and thats what counts.
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A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression's when you lose yours, right?
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This Congress would never permit anything like the actions the American government took in the 30s, even if Obama were championing such a thing. Just one example: in 1936, we raised the tax rate on the rich from 63% to 79% while holding everyone else's taxes steady.
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This Congress would never permit anything like the actions the American government took in the 30s, even if Obama were championing such a thing. Just one example: in 1936, we raised the tax rate on the rich from 63% to 79% while holding everyone else's taxes steady.
Instead, they're planning on bumping taxes on the rich down... again.
Bully. Old Herbert Hoover would have been proud.
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Um, this was the OBAMA Justice Department. If this were Bush's Justice Department, I'm sure Darth Cheney or Halliburton would have been blamed. So, where is the outrage from the "left" here?
The left are just useful idiots and the right are just idiots.
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Have you even read this thread? How much outrage do you want?
Re:So (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe read all the comments to this story? You're like a guy wearing a blindfold shrieking "I DON'T SEE IT"
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Why do you think that? Nothing earth shattering has happened in the last 8 years where they were appointed and replaced, in a minority. Nothing earth shattering happened when the liberals were in charge for over a decade. Judge selection in Canada is generally impartial based on the merits of the judge at the federal level, has and continues to be. Provincial politics, not so much, but it's by far better than elected judges. Of course a judge breaching the judicial oath system is actually a fairly serio
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Yeah b/c the supreme court should consist of only the liberal judges appointed by Chrétien and Martin. No need for balanced perspectives!
Yeah, right. The Court should represent both sides - the People AND the Plutocracy! It's only fair (and balanced).
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You mean the Plutocracy and the Plutocracy.
Both parties have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
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The Court should represent both sides - Big Oil AND Big Content.
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The USA really need to stop thinking this is a contest between nations to be the best, if they want to advance.
It'd be okay if it was about being the best. Nowadays Americans seem to be concerned only with appearing to be the best. It doesn't matter if the truth is ugly, as long as you hide and deny it.
Hmm . . . Cisco in a funk? (Score:2)
First, I heard about the layoffs
Then I overheard a conversation about them being clipped at both ends of the stick by stiff competition; Juniper on the high end and some Chinese company whose name I forgot on the low end
And now this
Perhaps Netflix, whose price hikes were the subject of another Slashdot story; about three stories ago; could be in a position to buy Cisco out and then use them as their in-house infrastructure provider?
Ever thought about moving to Canada? (Score:3)
Hey, Peter -- if you get sick of Switzerland, think about moving to Canada. I'd be happy to have you as my neighbour.
End of America (Score:2, Insightful)
If we in the US isn't careful we'll start blaming our countries problems on the poor/sick/gay, which is only one step away from rounding up groups and shipping them off in rail cars.
Re:End of America (Score:5, Funny)
This is just another sad statement showing the "End of America" and the dream it was, under Bush/Cheney civil liberties became secondary and Obama/Biden has done nothing to restore justice. If we in the US isn't careful we'll start blaming our countries problems on the poor/sick/gay, which is only one step away from rounding up groups and shipping them off in rail cars.
Effective use of mass transit in this counry. I don't think so.
Re:End of America (Score:5, Funny)
No rubber stamping of extradition! (Score:5, Insightful)
Thank God for Canada. This case illustrates exactly why the trend internationally to reduce the role of the courts in extradition to mere rubber stamping is so dangerous (for eg, the EAW and the removal of the need for a prima facie case to be made to the responding court in new extradition treaties).
Bureaucrats have long viewed the need for anything other than a simple request for extradition to be produced to the other country as an annoying inconvenience and, arguing that extradition is merely an 'administrative' and not a criminal procedure, have secured changes in the law in some countries. But how can anything resulting in the removal of someone's freedom *not* be a criminal procedure? Were it not for the fact that some civil law states in Europe absolutely refuse to hand over their own citizens to any other State (I suppose with the exception of within the EU under the EAW), we would rapidly be heading towards a world where any government hands over any person to any other government on flimsy grounds. This is the case already between certain countries.
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My favorite comments about Cisco (Score:4, Funny)
Cisco - you can buy better, but you can't pay more.
Highway sign - US Interstate 70 in Utah, exit 214 says:
Cisco
No Services
Well played (Score:3)
In these sorts of cases, where the defendant (Cisco in this case) has to resort to character bashing to salvage their legal position, someone will end up getting egg on their face for playing the part of the thug. In many cases, this ends up being US law enforcement or the justice department. But here, it appears that with the assistance of our INS, they managed to move this onto Canadian soil. And they made the RCMP look like the heavy.
Thankfully, the judge saw through this and threw out the extradition request. And it appears that Adekeye has won his civil case. But let this be a lesson for other foreign jurisdictions. The US is always looking for some dumbshit to do their bidding and take the fall. Better to consider this before even signing the treaty, let alone rubber stamping the paperwork.
You think this is bad (Score:3)
FBI corruption investigation? (Score:2)
Does anybody know the FBI stance on this? Despite some shady things done in the War on Drugs front, the FBI is actually pretty good about investigating corruption of even the very highest political elite.
Never Buy Cisco Again (Score:2)
I know that I, and I hope that everyone else on this board, will never buy a Cisco product again.
EVER.
In fact, I will go out of my way to make sure that all of my friends in the tech industry NEVER EVER BUY their stuff AGAIN.
And I know a lot of folks who buy a lot of network equipment.
Cisco, you are evil with a capital E.
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What are the alternatives?
Seems like Cisco is in the position IBM used to be in; Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM.
So, if you're a small/medium business with a good amount of money coming in, you can buy Cisco knowing that it can scale up to the highest levels.
So what would be a good 2nd choice?
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How about a linux based [extremenetworks.com] solution?
For quite a while linux has been fine for any networking need that hasn't required over 40gbps over a single link. Added bonuses of consistent interface as other linux items, multiple hardware sources so you can find the cheapest bidder for what you need, and it scales to a point where only major internet backbones and telecom providers would typically require more.
Adekeye Needs to Submit a Complaint (Score:2)
Peter needs to submit a complaint to the California bar, because the corporate counsel that signed off on these actions need to be disbarred for ethical malfeasance.
Actually, they need to be in jail, but disbarred is probably the best that can be done.
Disbarment (Score:2)
Can anyone initiate a complaint? Cisco is in California, so that seems to be the logical place to see if this can be done. Any lawyers out
A text for young lawyers... (Score:2)
> The full judgement [multiven.com] (PDF) is quite readable and damning.
Yes, it is well written, and readable. Justice McKinnon deserves applause for clarity, and common sense.
Quite a text for young lawyers on both sides of the 49th parallel.
The coverage in the "lower 48" seemed a bit thin, though... until now. :-)
What a pity that an honest businessman and his family have suffered over a year of separation and distress; for what? ...the Justice's point!
computer fraud and abuse act strikes again (Score:5, Insightful)
the CFAA (18 USC 1030) was the law they attempted to use against Adekeye
this law is seriously flawed and possibly unconstitutional.
Lori Drew, Thomas Drake, Peter Adekeye, George Hotz, all of them allegedly violated it. What kind of law outlaws such a broad range of things?
Reminder: Cisco owns Linksys (Score:4, Informative)
Judge's Humor (Score:2)
From paragraph 10 of the ruling: "This seems to be the start of a series of misadventures that could only be the subject of a Joseph Heller novel."
It never a good thing to be the subject of a judge's humor.
That would be new. (Score:4, Informative)
the judge squashed the US extradition request,
Extradition requests are frequently quashed, seldom squashed.
~Loyal
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tell it to businesses, but its not likely to happen
id like to see the US and Canada fine them or whatever the hell is appropriate for bullshitting two national governments in order to handle your private affairs for you.
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> bullshitting two national governments in order to handle your private affairs for you.
There was no bullshitting. The governments are only too happy to do as they are told,
Whores... (Score:2)
BOYCOTT Cisco
You know, there are other reasons as well, and not just an overpriced product.
The one that comes to my mind first is the prevalence of Cisco hardware in many of the world's most oppressive regimes "great firewalls".
Of course there are many whores in the high-tech world, not just Cisco...
Re:Screw 'em (Score:5, Insightful)
The same company that's all but leading the charge to lower the corporate tax rate in the US, while simultaneously shipping jobs overseas?
Whatever for?
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Its a company, what do you expect them to do? Ask for higher taxes? Ask for more job regulations?
Re:Screw 'em (Score:5, Insightful)
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That is just awesome and has forever changed the way I will perceive their logo. This story has already changed the way I see Cisco and the process of government. Before this, it would be considered "conspiracy theory" but now it's just conspiracy. At the very least, we have a justice department that acts without proper evidence and a corporate giant who lies to the government.
Is any of this actionable? I know it would be if it were on a smaller scale. I have seen what happened with the Dallas police d