AptiQuant Browser/IQ Study Was Likely a Hoax 185
A steady stream of people have submitted notes this morning saying that the story we (and the entire internet, and even NPR's Marketplace) mentioned recently talking about browser platform correlating with IQ looks like a hoax. Of course, if you read the Slashdot discussion, you probably would have known this already, but now everyone knows. The company responsible for the survey, AptiQuant, looks to not be real.
I knew immediately (Score:5, Funny)
Hilarious (Score:2)
It's still very funny. This whole business of calling it a "study" though is bad to begin with. A study requires some work. What this was at best was metrics, or "analysis."
In other news... (Score:3)
Modern journalists really do have a sub-100 IQ, because their widespread publishing without question of this story proved it.
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You are confusing "News Reporters" with "Journalist."
The latter profession is to inform and investigate.
The former is to entertain and engage.
Journalism has nearly always been a losing proposition for actually bringing in profits without some form of government subsidy (such as using private presses to print public documents, or requiring some journalism to be done by private concerns in order to rent parts of the e/m spectrum).
We happily are a capitalist society in a way our founders wanted (as long as you
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Actually the BBC did quote a statistician who felt some numbers were "implausibly low". Though the implication here was that the IQ test they were using was seriously flawed. But they didn't take the next step of trying to figure out what was going on.
But that's journalism now days, reporting what other people say instead of trying to find the truth.
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Well I think it was Cluley at Sophos, who simply said the numbers are an insult to IE users, but as you say the BBC then left it at that and didn't seem to wonder if maybe because they were an insult, they were actually made up and wrong.
So... (Score:2, Insightful)
I swear, Homer Simpson is right, you can find a study to prove anything. He conducted a study to prove that.
So what. (Score:2, Insightful)
They results still look true to me, even if it was a hoax. Think about it. Many of you know IE users.
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but 80 means functionally illiterate and basically unable to function in society.
You just described most of my coworkers. We use IE at work....
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Yeah, I caught the NPR bit, and knew something was amiss when they quoted "Firefox" as the browser with the highest-IQ users instead of Opera.
Yay for reporting what people want to hear.
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Opera's market share is pretty small, but it's still larger than the bit of the bell curve with an average of 120.
{Citation needed}
CC.
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I think you misuse or misunderstand averages. You don't need the majority of people to be at the stated level to make an average, a few outliers can drag the average way up for you.
For 120 average, you can have 5 120s, yes, or you can have 4 100s and a 200. Practicality and the Bell curve lean more towards the former, but the latter is possible (though unlikely).
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It means that someone had to have cheated to get those 4 zeroes to take an online IQ test all the way to the end.
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According to the Wikipedia page on Intelligence quotient, modern IQ tests define the median result of a standard sample as 100 points, with a standard deviation of 15 points. 95 percent of the population have scores that fall within two standard deviations of the mean, meaning they fall between 70 and 130 points.
The bel
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Well, studies that are not perfect can still show a general trend even if the values are not exactly correct, and in this case I think it was common knowledge for a while now.
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They results still look true to me, even if it was a hoax. Think about it. Many of you know IE users.
This is how you do a hoax... you provide results that "everybody already knows", such that it will confirm what people want to believe.
Though in this case it might well be true.
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"The conclusion of the hoax coincides with my ideology, so I choose to believe it anyway."
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The funny part is, IE was once the best browser, for the Mac. IE 3.x was faster and far more stable than Netscape 4.x on the Mac. I don't think it was ever the best on Windows.
The major issues with IE are: security, javascript speed (excluding IE 9), non-compliant rendering, and that everything wants to install a new IE toolbar and/or activeX control. Therefore, I reserve IE for use exclusively with Windows Update. Even though MS has some IE only features on their web site, I refuse to use IE when visiting
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Be careful, you are invoking Truthiness [wikipedia.org]!
Browser choice has a lot more to do with a combination of personal preference, tech savvy.
As much as some here might like to believe it, tech savviness (or lack thereof) is not a reliable indicator of intelligence level.
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As much as some here might like to believe it, tech savviness (or lack thereof) is not a reliable indicator of intelligence level.
No, it isn't. And when I am dealing with end users who prefix questions with "this is going to sound stupid", my standard response is "no it won't, and I'd lay odds there's at least one subject you know a lot more about than I do." A lot of techie types do fall under the delusion that you're automatically an idiot if you don't know about computers, but as you say it's mainly a question of experience.
There is, however, a line to be drawn. I think my uncle is an idiot, based mainly on his lack of tech savvy,
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Some people, you can help. Some don't want to be helped.
That's the crux of the matter. A lot of people just want an audience for their hatred/fear of technology, and really don't want you to solve their problems.
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Average IQ of 80? I doubt that. That implies a lot of those people wouldn't be able to use a computer and yet were able to browse the web and voluntarily offer to take an online IQ test. Even if the study had been legitimate it would have been an extremely badly done study, bad IQ test, bad statistics, bad analysis, etc.
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Well... some of that may be true, but as anyone that has worked out there knows high paying job != intelligence. In most places it's actually a reverse correlation.
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I see the M$ shills get nasty when they are anonymous. Does M$ pay extra for this?
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That's because they have a life away from the computer. Probably whatever they specialize in for a living is something you know nothing about,
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This is all very good and proper egalitarian thinking, but alas, it's rarely accurate. People who don't have a clue about the basic operation of their computers, despite having it explained to them multiple times in multiple ways, are not simply people with lives away from their computers. They
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That's because they have a life away from the computer.
What a bunch of losers.
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Or, if you read an email between your doctor and his colleagues saying, "Well, the patient uses IE as his browser, so......"
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Your post is hilarious, because most of the people reading this site are probably out of shape and possibly even obese, and that's not even getting into other hygiene issues. Computer nerds are not known for being physically fit.
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That doesn't mean they don't know what to do. Most merely lack either the willpower, the motivation, the self esteem, or the time to do it. Or, in a few cases, they are so hopelessly genetically predisposed to obesity that there's not much they can do short of surgery. None of those things requires ignorance.
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Microsoft approved this message*
The real story... (Score:2)
AptiQuant CEO: "Shit we've offended all the IE users and there's uncountable legions of those bottom feeders. You, minion! Spin something!".
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Ad Clicks! (Score:3)
No one has yet mentioned the "post the hoax and earn revenue then post the retraction and earn more revenue" angle.
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Intelligence decrease (Score:3)
Well that sucks. I swear my intelligence increased the instant I switched to IE with Chrome Frame and Camino. Damn placebo effect.
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See? You're getting smarter already.
Journalism (Score:3)
So someone could have been a real journalist last week with a small amount of Google skills. Got it.
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Journalism is dead. Long live infotainment, and being a partisan hack.
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It speaks volumes that we all believed it (Score:4, Insightful)
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It does indeed speak volumes that you believed it. It also speaks volumes that you still seem to. But it doesn't say what you think (that IE users must be stupid). What it says is that people always tend to think that they're smarter than average. It also says that people will accept without question any evidence that makes them feel superior. And it says people will continue to insist on their superiority even after that "evidence" has been debunked.
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Your post reads exactly like what dumb people think about their own intelligence. Seriously.
"*USERS* in general are stupid. "
WTF? Oh, I see mister " I'm one of the smartest IT people in my circles" doesn't know what the word stupid means. Well done, moron.
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I take it all in stride.
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Huh? There are plenty of reasons why even smart people sometime use IE. Often for example they have to because of IE-only webapps.
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*USERS* in general are stupid.
But not stupid enough to bring the average down to 80. I could see someone with 80 using a browser, but not someone with 50 IQ.
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I use IE. I'm one of the smartest IT people in my circles
There's no-one else in that basement, is there?
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You obviously don't use Rubik's browser.
Not sure what they will prove. (Score:2)
It seems like a lot of work to be a fake. To give peoples browser preferences and their average intelligence doesn't really prove anything useful. As the only thing I could think of would be to poke fun at Microsoft and say Yes you have the higher market share but you got the market share of idiots. It is not like if you switch browsers you will become smarter.
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Re:design your website to different tiers (Score:2)
I am actually planning on doing this, though at the user's choice rather than automatic. We've seen the "I didn't read the article" / Teal Deer effect for so long, that no one page fits anymore, if it ever really did.
Instead, depending on the type of method I decide upon, there would be "easy" "medium" and "advanced" levels of the same pages, so the folks who want the sound bites can get those, and the gang who wants to discuss the limitations of null bits in C can get the other level of detail.
My basic ins
You know what? (Score:3)
Well played, whoever did this. Sure, a lot of /.ers are no doubt going to play the "I suspected it was fraudulent from the second I heard of it!" card, but they essentially trolled the entire internet and caught out enough big news agencies (from slashdot to the BBC) to make their efforts worthwhile.
I just wonder why, though? Was it as simple as trolling the internet, or was there some other purpose to it? Can anyone think of a legitimate reason for this, other than a cheap laugh?
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Whoever it was, they put a lot of work into it. If you visit there webpage [aptiquant.com], you can see "articles", contact info (all generic email addresses. Telling, but not proof in any way) and bios for the personal working there (all faked, apparently). It would be difficult on first blush to tell that it was a fake. Even the name is well chosen (Aptitude Quantification). Maybe it was some kind of college psychology project? A masters thesis, even. Enough work went into it that I suspect there was something beyond "fo
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Exactly, a lot of work for what people are dismissing as a cheap laugh. Maybe they were just being thorough, but I suspect that they put the effort in for a reason.
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"I just wonder why, though?"
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Maybe all the inbound links from news websites would increase the page rank for the [2 week old] aptiquant.com page, then the link to the [5 week old] atcheap.com site at the bottom of the page would transfer some of that PR over.
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I suspect you might be on to something there, that certainly does seem to be a very out of place link (to the point where it took me a while to find it, knowing that it was there).
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Hoax creator explains why here [aptiquant.com].
Ssssh! (Score:5, Insightful)
Not real?!! (Score:4, Funny)
Say it ain't so Ms. Zuckerburg. They have a web page [aptiquant.com] with a Facebook link. They've got to be real [slashdot.org]. Right?
Using different browsers (Score:2)
I wondered about that study when I saw it the first time. But then it started to make sense. My former workplace still uses XP/IE6. I knew I felt dumber every time I walked into that building. My new job lets me run Firefox and I certainly feel a lot smarter here than I did at my old job.
When it sounds too good to be true... (Score:2)
A follow-up study showed... (Score:5, Funny)
Wiki-Journalism has its limits (Score:2)
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Oh goodie (Score:2)
Great, another thread where we can pass off computer experience as general intelligence.
Dang. And here I was feeling all superior (Score:2)
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IE users reaction to study proves they're stupid.. (Score:2)
...even if the study itself didn't, or was faked.
According to the BBC article [bbc.co.uk], "IE supporters, who have threatened AptiQuant with legal action."
Right. Threatening the authors of a study with legal action, rather than pointing out flaws in the study, or doing a better study, or doing research into the possible reasons why the link might have existed, really makes it clear that those IE supporters are complete morons, who have no clue what research actually is, or how it works.
People showing off their stupidi
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A good reason to keep the link and article up--- for sending to IE users!
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You use IE6 don't you?
What if I invented a browser today? (Score:2)
Let's say I invented a browser today. Where would I put it? Github. Who's on Github? Geeks. They're smarter.
If the browser were good, it would expand out through the social network with geeks at the root. The early adopters would continue to be smart people, until the circle started to expand to their dumb friends.
Who uses IE? A very broad spectrum of people.
I wager that regardless of the quality of the browser, the less popular it is the smarter the users are.
waste of time (Score:2)
waste of time (Score:2)
Hoax explains what looked like incompetence (Score:2)
Basically, what was written up in the methods of the report was impossible to do IQ test-wise. A hoax is much better than such gross incompetence.
The *REAL* intelligence test (Score:2)
The point of online IQ tests, it seems to me, is to determine if you're smart enough not to waste your time on a stupid online IQ test.
"You gotta not play to win!"
And Guess What the Smart People Did? (Score:2)
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Well, it doesn't make you dumb. . .
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next you will be telling me PowerPoint doesn't make you dumb after all either ;)
You're right. Powerpoint does not make you dumb. Powerpoint just makes the space shuttle crash [theinquirer.net].
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They look not to be real?!
Statistics, like tits, are still fun to play with.
Re:Appearances (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't really think I had a point there, but nonetheless... BOOBIES!
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If you see somebody in a bikini and can't tell what sex organs they have, you might have a problem.
Besides, if you saw somebody you thought was attractive in a bikini, what would finding out she had dude parts do to change things? Do you fear that you have a secret bisexual alternate personality? I'm pretty sure the things that make me straight come way before that point.
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You evidently haven't watched much Jerry Springer. They have dudes on there everyone in a while in bikinis and you cannot tell they are a man because they tuck it in pretty welll.
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Already did this study a long time ago (Score:4, Interesting)
Back in 1997/1998 when I ran a fan website. For a period of time I had shamefully turned away IE users for a time because of a website incompatibility from the site and received angry e-mails. Then, about 6 months later, I turned away Netscape users with the same reasoning. What I found is that the e-mail from IE users tended to be much shorter and use simpler words with more mistakes in grammar. Its one of things that I did, but alas never published. I still have all the e-mails though. My thoughts about it at the time were that people who choose to use IE at the time don't really think about their choices much and just go with what is given to them.
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My thoughts about it at the time were that people who choose to use IE at the time don't really think about their choices much and just go with what is given to them.
If you have paid attention to the past 10 years of browsers wars (from when FF 1.0 hit the market on) and the lawsuits in the 90's against the very company which gave Internet Explorer (as we all know is M$FT), you will see this trend to hold up true. People (buyers) tend to not invest in new things when "Experts" pre-package a set of tools together when the buyers just buy and not look deep into maximizing their purchases. The majority of the buyers just don't care. They hope someone else will think fo
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They hope someone else will think for them on set concept. This goes not just for computers, but also for the medical field, food industry, or anything else where it is "too complected" for set people to really give a care.
You should watch this if you haven't already, which basically says you're right. :)
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html [ted.com]
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You mean like:
IE user: "FYI: I had difficulty loading your page 8/3/11. I use IE6 on XP."
Netscape User: "Dear Sir or Madame, I was greatly inconvenienced this morning by the inability of my internet browser to correctly display the information I requested from your site. Please see the included appendices that should detail the specifics of my browser's difficulties in rendering you're hypertext as well as numerous files, ordered alphabetically, detailing the current configuration of my operating system and
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IE spellchecker not working right?
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Thanks I will go correct that right now
no I wont cause A) I fucking cant so whats your point and B) I really dont care
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Who cares what browser someone uses?
A bunch of pretentious nerds (aka Slashdot)?