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Xamarin's First Mono Release - Proof of Life! 95

Posted by timothy from the congratulations-to-miguel dept.
mikejuk writes "After striking out on their own the former Mono team, now reconstituted as Xamarin, has just issued its first release of Mono. This is essentially a minor release with lots of bug fixes but it's proof of life for the Mono project after being dropped by Attachmate."
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Xamarin's First Mono Release - Proof of Life!

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  • Software company whose business model failed the first time makes extremely minor release of software.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

      Microsoft probably does.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by HRbnjR ( 12398 )
        Uhh, maybe not - aren't all the kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET in favour of HTML5 in Windows 8?
        • No. The only people who've been saying that are spreading FUD.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Toonol ( 1057698 )
          aren't all the kiddies freaking out that MS is dropping .NET in favour of HTML5 in Windows 8?

          Nobody important seriously thinks they are. Some people thought that the fact that MS said some applets could be written in Javascript and HTML5 in upcoming OS releases meant that they were dropping .net. That's kind of silly.

  • Kudos (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04, 2011 @04:15PM (#36990168)

    Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

    • Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

      Why are you so rude to me, just because I hate zealots?

      And yes, kudos to the devs from this c# monkey.

    • Kudos to the devs for persevering. Fuck all the zealot haters here.

      Aye! Protoss, all the way!
      But in all seriousness...as a C# developer, I've spent the morning despairing about Windows 8's seeming lack of .NET support. This news is a small, but welcome, glimmer of hope. Kudos to Xamarin for striving to give .NET the platform support and reach that Microsoft never gave.

  • "Proof of Life" (Score:4, Informative)

    by XanC ( 644172 ) on Thursday August 04, 2011 @04:21PM (#36990242)

    This "Proof of Life" headline being folded up right next to the Mars announcement got me briefly very excited.

  • Just so you know. (Score:3)

    by Dragonshed ( 206590 ) on Thursday August 04, 2011 @04:39PM (#36990456)

    Yes, someone cares.

    Other useful answers include:
    Yes, someone still builds (good) products in C#.
    Yes, .net on mobile is actually useful.
    Yes, this thing has legs.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Translation: I care because I learned C#

  • at least that is what i thought it said

  • Well *I* care!!! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I love C#, i have coded in numerous languages over the years (Basic, Pascal, COBOL, C, C++, Java, C#, JavaScript probably more i've forgotten) but for me C# is the cleanest and best thought-out. Yes, it was a rip-off of Java, but lets face it, Microsoft fixed and improved some of the shitness with Java!

    The only thing I didn't like was being locked into a Windows platform, and guess what.. Mono fixes that!

    So good luck to them, and long live Mono!

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by Toonol ( 1057698 )
      I agree, C# is a nicely designed language. I just don't see Mono ever gaining traction, though. Most C# .NET applications are a pain to port over, because there are some APIs that will always be missing... and I don't foresee many developers using it to write Linux-specific applications. .Net fills a niche in Windows, but I don't really see that niche in Linux.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by PCM2 ( 4486 )

        It seemed like there was more momentum behind Mono back when it seemed as if Sun was never seriously going to open-source Java. Now the main debate seems to be whether you prefer C# or Java (and most non-Windows programmers prefer Java because they've had no experience with C#), and whether you trust Microsoft not to sink Mono with patent claims vs. whether you trust Oracle not to sink Java into the ocean in a giant safe that only Larry Ellison knows the combination to.

      • For us working with web stuff there really isn't anything important missing from Mono.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by msobkow ( 48369 )

      I like C#/.Net, but playing "catch up" on features that have been out for years is really a crippling hinderance.

      Best of luck to the Mono team. I will continue trying the new releases in hopes that it matures enough to be a truly cross-platform environment.

  • I have never really understood the hatred for Mono here on /. Like any other language it has its advantages and disadvantages. Each person or company choosing to do development takes a risk in the language / platform they decide to use. As long as that person or company feels comfortable managing those risks it seems like that should be enough.

    In my years on Slashdot I have not noticed the developers of Wine being vilified in even remotely the same way as de Icaza, despite the obvious parallels.

    • Re:Why the Hatred for Mono? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by mla_anderson ( 578539 ) on Thursday August 04, 2011 @05:23PM (#36990960) Homepage

      Mostly because the site has been taken over by mindless Microsoft haters. Instead of promoting FOSS, they bash anything with a slight connection to MS (sorry M$). Mono is a really nice product and C# is really much nicer than Java, but since Mono is based on .NET and C# is from Microsoft they get castigated here.

      I considered starting my kids on C#, but decided Pascal is still a better teaching language. However once they've got the basics of programming down and I want to start in on OOP I'll move them to C# on Mono (MS doesn't make .NET for my platform).

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by makomk ( 752139 )

        That and there's some surprisingly nasty patent traps in there...

        • And yet Microsoft hasn't raised a single lawsuit. Now, Java, on the other hand, has been an amusing source of patents suits recently.

        • I've heard this over and over but haven't actually seen hard evidence for that. The best I've seen is that the Windows Forms implementation may have patent issues. Do you have better information?

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by tokul ( 682258 )

        Mostly because the site has been taken over by mindless Microsoft haters

        They are not mindless. They made an educated decision based on their experience with Microsoft and other commercial software vendors.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by 7-Vodka ( 195504 )

        I'll tell you what, unless you're a pre-teen, there has been plenty of evidence of microsoft being a shithead, eat-your-baby, fuck-their-friends-wife-in-the-ass type of corporation. It should be pretty clear to you by now why people hate that corporation. If you're just being obtuse, go fucking google this shit or even just hit search on this page.

        The only part I really take offense in your post is that you call M$ haters mindless. We're absolutely normal people who don't have the memory of a goldfish.

        • Thankyou for proving the GPs point...

          • No, he didn't prove that MS-haters are mindless--he simply proved that he, himself, is rude.

            There may be good people who work for Microsoft, but Microsoft, as a whole, is nothing less than evil, and has been for a long time--probably forever. Apple's not much better, nor is Amazon. I'm afraid the list goes on and on.

            Microsoft has less of a dominant position in some markets than it used to have--I guess that's why fewer people seem to hate it. It's no less evil, though. It seems to me that anyone who doe

      • This is /. not c:\

        • This is /. not c:\

          The name comes from the days we would have to say "h t t p colon slash slash slashdot dot o r g". It does not come from the POSIX current directory.

      • Good choice for Pascal. It was oiginally created as a teaching language IIRC.

        For OOP though, the terchniques are the same for C++, Java and C# so unless you want them to learn the C#/.NET specific parts (eg WPF, WCF, all the wizard generated bumpf) then or learn how to use Visual Studio, you might as well show them Java instead. The tooling should be better for your platform and I'm sure you can find better example code.

        Of course, if you want to use something 'unnatural' for your platform, go for Oberon. no

        • For OOP though, the terchniques are the same for C++, Java and C# so unless you want them to learn the C#/.NET specific parts (eg WPF, WCF, all the wizard generated bumpf) then or learn how to use Visual Studio, you might as well show them Java instead. The tooling should be better for your platform and I'm sure you can find better example code.

          Well, if "MS doesn't make .NET for (his) platform", Visual Studio is totally out of the question. He's most likely on a *nix; so, he'd most likely go with something

    • Apparently because Microsoft is always just around the corner from suing people for patent infringement for using Mono (lather, rinse, repeat for every year since this has yet to happen) despite all evidence to the contrary. It's funny that despite the FSF declaring that there was no longer a "Java Trap" after Sun released a GPL version, that Java is the source of patent flaming whereas Microsoft hasn't done anything but help Mono and make constant promises about not suing.

    • Mono is not a language.

    • Until Microsoft moves on to the next great thing the hate will continue. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. Screw me 3407292 times, you must be Microsoft.

  • I've been folowing the mono project for years and think it is a great open source project.

    However, if I want to write .net apps for Android I have to pay for the privilege?

    The SDK for Android is free and fully supported yet I'm expected to $399 for mono on android?

    I know the major benefit is supposed to be a "cross-platform" development environment but charging for the runtime seems a bit braindead to me!

    By all means charge for the other stuff (e.g. IDE integration, support and updates) that's fair but "loc

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