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Ubuntu 11.10 ('Oneiric Ocelot') Released 455

Cue the Ubuntu release partiesUbuntu 11.10 has arrived. Ars Technica has a very positive summary of the changes in 11.10; Joe Brockmeier's piece of a few weeks back explains the return to Xen to Ubuntu and the introduction of Juju (formerly Ensemble). Asks an anonymous reader: "Any outstanding reasons why I shouldn't upgrade?" YMMV, but as a long-time Ubuntu user, and like many other users, I have mixed feelings about the concerted (and now complete) move away from a conventional WIMP interface to the new Unity. With previous versions, it was possible to choose a "classic" look rather than the default of Unity; now, for good or ill, the left-hand vertical menu is a permanent desktop element. It looks great to me, in the way the Canonical developers intend: as a consistent, replicable, supportable interface to recommend to (for instance) my parents — but I'm used to (and prefer!) more traditional WIMP environments, so at least for now have switched to Linux Mint's Debian Edition.
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Ubuntu 11.10 ('Oneiric Ocelot') Released

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  • I moved to kubuntu (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:50AM (#37702416)

    about 3 releases ago, and I've never looked back.

  • g++ 4.5

    C++0x is getting there slowly.

    • GCC 4.5 (and even 4.6 with a special repo) has been there since 10.10...

      • Ubuntu 11.10: GCC 4.6.1
        Ubuntu 11.04: GCC 4.5.2
        Ubuntu 10.10: GCC 4.4.4
        Ubuntu 10.04: GCC 4.4.3
        Ubuntu 9.10: GCC 4.4.1
        Ubuntu 9.04: GCC 4.3.3
        Ubuntu 8.10: GCC 4.3.1
        Ubuntu 8.04: GCC 4.2.3
        Ubuntu 7.10: GCC 4.1.2
        Ubuntu 7.04: GCC4.1.2
        Ubuntu 6.10: GCC 4.1.1
        Ubuntu 6.06: GCC 4.0.3
        Ubuntu 5.10: GCC 4.0.1
        Ubuntu 5.04: GCC 3.3.5
        Ubuntu 4.10: GCC 3.3.4 []

  • been running the 10.x version on my netbook but I'm kinda used to that left handed vertical menu by now :D

    I will update this thread if I have any gotchas


    • by obarthelemy ( 160321 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @02:11PM (#37704320)

      I have a dual-screen setup with my main monitor on the right, so the left-handed, fixed menu really is a pain: either I make it collapse, and then have to target a very slim pixel-wide bar to un-collapse it, or I have to leave it there and waste screen space. They could at least allow us to switch left and right, and if make it as flexible as (gasp !) Windows, that lets us put the start bar on any border.

      Also, grub2 has issues: couldn't handle handle a... blank HD for whole-disk installation ? I got a blinking cursor and hard reset on that one. And on my netbook, grub2 listed more than 1 entry per partition (!?), many of which non-bootable or system restore, with no way to clean, re-order... that monstrosity.

      And finally, the way that start works is a pain, especially trying to put several folders on there.

      To me, this sounds that developer arrogance: unfriendly stuff nobody wants (except the devs for bragging rights), that doesn't even work right. Ar users consulted at all, or is the Ubuntu dev process a giant nerd wank-fest ? In the end, this is making me lose confidence in Ubuntu in the long term. Long-term being, to them, 3yrs (LTS desktop), which also worries me.

  • by loufoque ( 1400831 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:53AM (#37702470)

    What distribution are we supposed to use now?
    Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

    I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Linux Mint? Ubuntu Decraprified.
      • I think Mint is going to change to Gnome 3. Not Unity, but not much better.

        • I've been considering a move to the Linux Mint Debian Edition, which should circumvent all that amazingly stupid work that Canonical is doing with Ubuntu.

          • Been using LMDE for quite a while now and Mint for about 4 years. These days I can't be bothered to figure out how things work and spend hours tracking down possible solutions on forums/groups BUT LMDE has worked qutie well for me as an average user these days. There were a few issues with AWN icons after upgrading but nothing spectacular that wasn't fixed by getting rid of it :)

            Every computer in my house has some kind of Mint flavour installed the only thing the kids complained about was missing Windows on

            • Mod parent up, and as for games on a Mint computer:

              Dolphin Emulator

              Urban Terror


              With those 3, you can have TONS of the very best games. And at more stable framerates than Windows generally.

              Mint is the future. Ubuntu is the past. Come join us. The water's fine!!

      • Depends. Linux Mint LXDE has a metric ass ton of extra stuff as compared to Lubuntu - twitter & facebook apps, feed readers, etc. Definitely not minimalist. Essentially it looks like they shoehorned everything from the regular Linux Mint into LXDE.
    • Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Suse, Crunchbang, any of a dozen others?
      • by 0123456 ( 636235 )

        Debian, Slackware, Fedora, Suse, Crunchbang, any of a dozen others?

        Fedora swtiched to Gnome 3, didn't it?

    • by oakgrove ( 845019 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:58AM (#37702530)

      I'd rather have my advanced UI

      # apt-get install kubuntu-desktop


      # apt-get install openbox fbpanel

      I'm sure there are others that can chime in with many more suggestions.

      • They're on a Ubuntu system, so don't they normally see a $ instead of a #, and have to sudo everywhere?
        Kubuntu is moving ahead of its big brother in therms of users having control over both function and customization. Unless someone is so attached to the ability to set a wallpaper like image behind the panes in Nautilus and that's a deal-breaker until Dolphin implements it, I don't see why anyone dissatisfied with either the Unity interface or the current direction of Gnome woul

    • What distribution are we supposed to use now? Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

      I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

      Arch []

      • I've been trying Lubuntu out recently, and it's very nice. Simple and light, with a desktop interface by default and a netbook interface if you want it (I think it's the same one used in the original eee, actually). Xubuntu also works well, though it's not as light.

        • by sapgau ( 413511 )

 is dead... slashdotted???

    • by d3ac0n ( 715594 )

      Or, you know, since you are a developer and therefore technically savvy and willing, you could simply install the UI of your choice from the repositories. It's not like it's that hard to do.

      • Developer == nothing better to do with time than faff around with Window managers?
        • by d3ac0n ( 715594 )


          Dunno about "faff around". Installing a new WM takes roughly 30 minutes, and you do it once. Then the "faffing" ends and the developer in question can get down to working.

          Or are you telling me that you never alter any of the UI defaults when you set up a new PC or load up a new Distro?

          If it's a big enough issue to whine about on /., it's a big enough issue to take a very small amount of time to make it the way you want.

        • by MrHanky ( 141717 )

          It's one fucking command and takes as much time as downloading and installing the packages. Compare that to "faffing about" with downloading a new distro, burning it to CD or a USB stick, then installing it and configuring it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Astatine ( 179864 )

      As a power user and a developer, I switched from Ubuntu to Fedora after I discovered how awful Unity was in 11.04. I'm very happy with it. YMMV (I'm a Gnome 3 fan -- but if you don't like it, there's XFCE, LXDE, xmonad, etc etc).

    • What distribution are we supposed to use now?
      Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

      I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

      One could always install XFCE, KDE, LXDE, Enlightenment, Openbox, Fluxbox etc., etc.

      While I was not/am not a big Unity fan, I do notice that a lot of things are being developed around the Unity interface (and to a lesser extent gnome-shell). Seems like the target audience isn't the elderly, disabled or netbook people, but the group that just wants to get things done. Besides, Unity and gnome-shell are about how to access programs. It's in the launched programs that the real work occurs, whether on linux, wi

      • by dokebi ( 624663 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @04:46PM (#37706198)

        The way Unity auto-hides the top menu (File, Edit, etc) really interferes how I interact with my programs. Instead of looking at the menu target (say Tools), then moving the mouse pointer there, I have to move my pointer to the top, then find my menu target, then move my mouse again to get to Tools. On my 24" monitor, I have many windows open, and having to move all the way to the top just to *see* where my Tools menu just drives me nuts. No thank you.

    • Arch Linux []. Great support, ease of maintenance and gets updates as soon as a package releases a new version.

      I'm a long time Gentoo user and i'm considering migrating my workstation to Arch.

    • I'd rather have my advanced UI that lets me do whatever I want with my workstation, thank you very much.

      Ubuntu never had an advanced UI. Ubuntu have always been easy and simple to use, without too many settings... When was Ubuntu geared towards developers?
      Ubuntu have always been aiming broad, if super easy doesn't suit you (perhaps you wan't super efficient) then there's probably an Ubuntu derivative for you...

      • by fnj ( 64210 )

        Bullshit. Gnome2 was a very advanced UI, comprehensively customizable with many settings. As long as Ubuntu used Gnome2 it was eminently suitable for development. I preferred Fedora, but I would have been perfectly happy with Ubuntu. Now both these distros have been fucked up literally beyond recognition.

    • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:46PM (#37703214)

      "What distribution are we supposed to use now?"


      Don't forget that Debian-based distros are merely lesser versions of their parent which trade quality for convenience.

    • Ubuntu has given up on its users, and is turning into an interface for the elderly, the disabled and netbook people.

      In plain English:

      The default Ubuntu install targets the user and not the developer.

      Linux needs users:

      Linux, on the desktop, has all but flatlined.

      Windows 7 overtakes XP - finally []

      While Linux in mobile is being defined by Google.

      Whatever Android and Chrome may become, they are not going to look like a traditional community-oriented Linux distribution.

      When it is the Linux developer casually disparages "the elderly, the disabled and netbook people," it becomes pretty clear how we got into this fix.

      Contempt for the user runs far deeper, I think, th

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I think Onanistic Orangutan better captures the spirit of the naming process.

  • by wstrucke ( 876891 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:58AM (#37702540)
    I don't understand... can't you just remove the unity package and install KDE or Gnome?
    • by oakgrove ( 845019 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:02PM (#37702578)

      can't you just remove the unity package

      Of course you can but see the only problem with intellectual honesty is it leaves a whole lot less for people to whine about.

      • If I had mod points, I'd mod you up to a 5.

      • by hedwards ( 940851 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:23PM (#37702898)

        You can, but it's symptomatic of the way that Ubuntu is being run. I remember awhile back upgrading to the next release, only to find that they had decided to include Unity. At that point, unity was at best a polished turd, it didn't behave consistantly, sometimes the menu would stay open and other times it would close. They insisted upon it being put on the left side, which meant that those using it in a VM had to have a monitor edge there, otherwise it was really annoying.

        I'm curious what you're planning to do when Wayland is prematurely included, by the time you remove that an install something else, you might as well install a sane distro.

    • But why? Why not just get Debian and install whatever you want?

      • You are talking to Ubuntu users, the same guys that left Debian because the "right default setting" (tm) (r) wasn't to their likings. It's a lost cause, they wont ever understand the word "choice"...
        • the same guys that left Debian because

          Wait a minute. Who are you to say why anybody (especially the users) left Debian? Most people using Ubuntu didn't leave any other distro at all as Ubuntu is how they got started on Linux. I started on Ubuntu because unlike Debian, it actually supported my hardware out of the box. On Feisty Fawn, wi-fi worked and that was enough for me at the time. Some people like Firefox being in their repos and not Iceweasel (I know they are the same but people are people). Also, there was actual thought put into Un

      • The word "ubuntu" is found is several African dialects, its litteral translation is "person who can't install Debian or Slackware".

    • by Lussarn ( 105276 )

      Yes you can, but you can't easily install Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 is "messy" at the moment. While I have hopes for both Unity and Gnome 3 for the future they are not great at the moment if you actually try to work on your computer. My work computer will be running an old Ubuntu for some time, and on my netbook I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 and Xfce. I think they will sort out the problems of both Unity and Gnome 3, they are kind of cool interfaces but at the moment it's not for me. I mostly need a browser and a bunch

    • I guess it depends on how long habits from other operating systems were ingrained before you switched. There are a lot of people who accept whatever defaults they're given, and who also do a clean install for every upgrade. For them, it's just as easy to clean install a new distro.

  • by DriedClexler ( 814907 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:59AM (#37702554)

    Why can't they go back to normal, respectable names, like Hairy Hardon or whatever?

  • 12.04 LTS (Score:5, Informative)

    by Rik Sweeney ( 471717 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @11:59AM (#37702556) Homepage

    The release after this is going to be called Precise Pangolin, which is an ant eater thing: []

  • by TheCarp ( 96830 ) <[ten.tenaprac] [ta] [cjs]> on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:04PM (#37702622) Homepage

    Wow.... its been a good run but, Unity just doesn't cut it for me.

    I like where they are going with it, its cool, It was a fun toy, but, it was also klunky for me. Now, I know I am going to get roasted, but, sorry I used Unity for all of 3 days, so my memory may be fuzzy but....

    I use multiple firefox the same time. Often I have one that is a proxy into an internal net, and another that is public. Often i am doing things on the public one that I wouldn't want going over the private net. Think of this scenario... I have to proxy into work at night to fix a server, but, just before I was paged I was browsing porn. I don't want to be browsing porn through the proxy, and setting up foxy proxy with rules is just asking for an embarassing mistake. Actually, this is a rare scenario, but theres multiple networks I need to work in, and several of them I wouldn't want associated with my blog postings or slashdot rants.

    Unity just failed to manage this at all. Part of this is, indeed, that firefox profile handling is brain damaged (if I specify a profile on the command line, why do I need "-no-remote"? shouldn't it be able to tell that the open window is a different profile and no I don't want to just connect to that?) but it would totally ignore the second profile. No way to get a second firefox dock icon, no way to deal with this, now rogue, application.

    That was the real nail in the coffin for Unity, but beyond that....

    I am an advanced user. I have things setup in GNOME the way _I_ want. Sure, I can rip out the unity stuff, it wouldn't be the first time that I went to down on an X Session config...but I chose ubuntu because it allowed me to minimize that shit. I like the defaults and found them easy to customize to be what I wanted. I like my setup and that Ubuntu has been fairly good about not stomping on my setup since I started using it around 6 or 7.

    I will likely choose a new distribution if there isn't an easy way to not use unity.

  • I actually kindof like Unity, but had to turn it off at work because it somehow causes Eclipse (Zend Studio) to become slow as molasses when editing files. (I ... e n t e r ... c h a r a c t e r s .... a n d ... t h e y ... t a k e ... s e c o n d s ... t o ... a p p e a r.) Don't know if the nvidia proprietary driver has something to do with it.

    So, prey tell, if you've ran into the same problem, is it fixed?

    • I do Android development in Eclipse for my day job. One of my workstations is Ubuntu 11.04 running Unity and the other is 11.10 running Unity. Neither of these machines has displayed the symptoms you mention.
  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:10PM (#37702704) Journal
    It is still Windows, Icon, Mouse, Pointing device. The primary difference is the buttons are bigger.

    In the last decade, I felt like Open Source was constantly copying Windows 95 UI. Now it looks like they are copying NeXT UI. Which is an improvement, but can we please figure out something that works, and from there only add improvements to appearance (or new features)? Each Ubuntu release is like I have a completely new OS (until I open the command line and my life gets happier, but I pity people who can't do that).
    • by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:21PM (#37702870) Journal

      until I open the command line and my life gets happier

      Of course, this is the case for every GUI, excepting platforms that don't come with a decent CLI (windows). You're never going to find a GUI that makes your life happier than the CLI because CLIs are fundamentally superior.

      So my advice is to give up. Embrace the CLI for everything, and use the absolute minimum GUI you need. There's a shit ton of tiling window managers out there for people who know what they want from a UI.

  • by Windwraith ( 932426 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:18PM (#37702832)

    I installed it a week ago while still in beta, and for the first time I didn't have to solve any unexpected situation, it was smooth. I actually rushed just to get an updated GIMP version (ppa never updated that version for 11.04, and the update fixes ORA support and single-window mode) , but didn't regret it.

    Also, am I the only one that doesn't hate Unity? I don't use it, but I like what I see. I even adapted my KDE desktop to be kind of compliant (except for the shared menubar, I use panoramic and I have a setup of 1 big window and 3 side windows, and it's a mess to use a fixed menubar for all).
    I jokingly name it Kunity: []
    (The taskbar is Icon Tasks, a plasmoid that implements the Unity API. For launching I don't need dash, I use Kupfer. That that thing at the corner is a Conway's life plasmoid, I am addicted to that thing).

    I see myself eventually using Unity2D if I ever dump KDE (2D to avoid lag when developing GL games. Some effects are hard to see with compositing enabled, I keep it disabled in KDE). And the Unity Launcher API is very fun to play with. Made myself a nice launcher for Zim and a way to switch firefox profiles very quickly in just 5 seconds (not literally, but less than 30 min. including checking the specs and examples).

    • "[I don't] hate Unity...I don't use it"

      'nuff said

    • by Again ( 1351325 )

      I don't hate it either. In fact, the only thing that I don't like about it is the application launcher but it's performance has improved a lot from where it was in 11.04. I really do hope that all the people complaining about Unity have tried the version that got released today and are not just basing their opinion on an old version.

      • by 0123456 ( 636235 )

        I really do hope that all the people complaining about Unity have tried the version that got released today and are not just basing their opinion on an old version.

        Unity's not so bad on my netbook where I mostly just run Firefox on a tiny screen, but on my 11.04 laptop the app-launcher sucks, the 'global menu' sucks and the stupid scrollbars suck.

        Did they fix any of those in 11.10? Oh, they can't, because they're broken by design.

        • by Again ( 1351325 )

          Unity's not so bad on my netbook where I mostly just run Firefox on a tiny screen, but on my 11.04 laptop the app-launcher sucks, the 'global menu' sucks and the stupid scrollbars suck.

          Did they fix any of those in 11.10? Oh, they can't, because they're broken by design.

          The overlay scrollbars have seen improvements in the last release. They don't bother me but I really never touch them anyway since I just scroll with my mouse. To remove them, copy and paste this into your terminal: sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar3-0.2-0 liboverlay-scrollbar-0.2-0

          I can understand why you would dislike the global menu on a desktop. To remove them, copy this into your terminal: sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt

          There have been some very nice cha

    • I don't. I run Lubuntu myself and I actually set it up with the launcher on the side (and auto hiding to boot), leaving the task bar and notification area on the bottom. I find it pretty easy to handle and with the wide screen I get a ton of real estate. I tried Unity back in early 11.04 but it was definitely not ready for prime-time - lags, bugs, unfinished pieces and rough edges. Maybe if I get bored in the next couple months I'll throw it on to check it out.
  • by mauriceh ( 3721 ) <> on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:26PM (#37702930) Homepage

    Thanks for posting about the release of the new Ubuntu version.
    Too bad you chose to hijack the announcement to use it as a soapbox for stating your preference of Debian.
    Essentially this is just your spam.

    Come on mods, lets get this rubbish off the page!

  • by SkunkPussy ( 85271 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @12:26PM (#37702940) Journal

    They still haven't made any progress on the issue with multiple monitors whereby the left panel goes in a shitty place depending upon which screen is your main monitor. Mark Shuttleworth weighed in and basically said fuck you we're not fixing it. Even though ~50% of multiple monitor configurations are affected by this. [] []

    • You know, I'm fairly sure thats not what those bugs say.

      Mark says they won't fix the issue that you can't move the panel to the other side or bottom of the screen. Honestly it's down to you whether you feel this is a good or a bad thing.

      The multiple monitor bug is something entirely different whereby X is putting the panel on a specific (possibly wrong) monitor due to underlying code issues. Mark has NOT said they won't fix this, in fact he's not weighed in on it. Again, YMMV on whether you believe they're

      • wow ... won't fix. portrait mode is getting harder and harder to use. between 16:9 aspect ratios (1080 wide) and this "design decision" to *fix* the panel to the left side, you've probably only got 1024 useable pixels - cutting edge when XGA came out back in 1991

        guess i'll try it on my laptop and see what i think. but on the desktop, it sounds brutal for anyone that prefers portrait mode - you get almost twice as many lines of code on the screen in portrait as you do in landscape, but those horizontal pixel

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      The one he's weighed in on is that the position will not be configurable, it'll be on your left and you'll like it. The only possible exception are RTL countries, but there everything will switch from left to right. What I don't like is the clear WONTFIX and the reasoning:

      A willingness to limit the set of supported options is a large part of the quality of the out-of-box desktop experience. For example, the old Gnome Panel was designed with the goal of making many, many things possible. you could put them on any edge of the screen, you could write any sort of app, that supported any sort of interface pattern. And the result was very, very hard to use well. All of that customization made it impossible to provide an "overall feeling" to the old Gnome Panel.

      Out of the box means out of the box. If you start making all sorts of changes, that's no longer the out of the box experience but the customized experience. That you take away configurability and customization options doesn't mean the out

  • now, for good or ill, the left-hand vertical menu is a permanent desktop element. It looks great to me

    Dealbreaker. The left-hand menu is not the only problem with Unity. Its dependence on the sluggish compiz wm is another.

  • I first started using Ubuntu around 5.10 and currently use 10.04 long-term release and won't "upgrade" for a few reasons:

    - I haven't tried Unity, but from what I've seen of it, there seems to be a lack of options in customizing the desktop, and my desktop is currently customized to be exactly the way I want it to be. I realize I can spend time removing the things I don't want and then installing the things I do want, and then customizing all that stuff, but really I'm disinclined to expend a lot of effort
  • by halfdan the black ( 638018 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @01:27PM (#37703758)
    WIMP stands for "window, icon, menu, pointing device", which you have with 11.04 I think what the author is complaining about is that Unity (or Gnome3) are not what I call "windows 95" clones. We have had this disease in computing ever since Windows 95 that every interface has to look like Windows 95. Think about it, Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Windows 7, KDE, Gnome 2.x were ALL essentially copies of the Windows 95 user interface. (Gnome 1.x was more of a CDE clone). All of these had some basic things like start bar and a "desktop" with files and program links. So, instead of using the term WIMP, the author should have used something like "Windows 95 based" user interface. No, I am not particularly fond of Unity, not because its different, in fact a choice between Gnome 2.x or Unity, I would choose Unity. I do however MUCH prefer Gnome 3, its much more polished, consistent, customizable (css/javascript), the workflow is well thought out, and Gnome3 does not use a unified Mac menu thats hacked onto applications that were simply not intended for a unified menu bar. I for one am ecstatic that we are finally moving away from Windows 95 being the gold standard for user interfaces.
  • by Tapewolf ( 1639955 ) on Thursday October 13, 2011 @07:14PM (#37707732)
    It appears to be working rather nicely on the Toshiba AC100. The zswap system seems to have made a big difference, as opposed to the earlier Ubuntu installs I was trying around June, which would constantly run out of memory and choke.

    Sound seems to be headphones-only but that's still an improvement over requiring an external dongle for any sound at all.

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