Why eBook DRM Has To Go 299
Sci-Fi author Charlie Stross was recently put in the position of offering his thoughts to book publisher Macmillan on why eBook DRM is a terrible thing — not just for consumers, but for publishers, too. He makes a strong case that the removal of DRM, while not an immediate financial boon, will strongly benefit publishers in years to come through increased goodwill from users, greater leverage against Amazon's near-monopoly on distribution, and better platform interoperability. "Within 5 years we will be seeing a radically different electronic landscape. Unlocking the readers' book collections will force Amazon and B&N and their future competitors to support migration (if they want to compete for each others' customers). So hopefully it will promote the transition from the near-monopoly we had before the agency model, via the oligopoly we have today, to a truly competitive retail market that also supports midlist sales." Users have been railing against DRM for years, but it appears the publishers are finally starting to listen.
"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Funny)
You can't be serious.
No really he's right. If we can get rid of the DRM, there will be some really nice people who will loan out their book collection to a million or so of their close friends.
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Insightful)
And then people have to download the book. If it has DRM, they'll just bypass it easily. Either way, your book will get downloaded by people who don't mind downloading it.
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, just like Lily Allen [nme.com], who said she was giving up music for good because of all those filthy pirates.
Oh...I guess until her acting career didn't pan out, then it's back into the studio! [dailystar.co.uk] Guess those pirates weren't such a drag after all.
And, just because I love it so fucking much, Dan Bull's response to her 'quitting music' [youtube.com].
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Yes, and it only takes one person to crack the DRM, too.
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Yeah but who can read shorthand [wikipedia.org] nowadays? Or did you mean steganography?
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Insightful)
To paraphrase Karl Lagerfeld, "People who buy knockoffs of my product are not my customers". In the same way, people who do not pay for ebooks are not customers of the publishers. I can understand the frustration people have when they see someone take their product without paying for it. But if they concentrate on the people who *will* pay for it, (i.e. their actual customers) they will be better off.
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There is a reason why the command to copy files is not: knockoff file copy_of_file
$ alias knockoff="cp"
There, fixed that for you!
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Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, that's a reality that these guys are going to have to face. No amount of DRM or lawsuits or even infomercials [youtube.com] has stopped it from happening yet, and likely never will.
DRM only punishes legitimate customers, anyway. It makes the pirated version of a work, be it an eBook, video game, whatever, a better product than the legitimate one. A pirated eBook works on any device that can read the file format. No stupid account tied to a particular store tied to a particular piece of hardware tied to a credit card number required.
I mean, you know it's bad when people are starting to buy legit products and still download pirate copies so they don't have to deal with the bullshit. I actually know people that do that, particularly with PC games.
The war on piracy is just as effective as the war on drugs or the war on terrorism. Something like 70% of people here in the states think that there is nothing wrong with sharing media between family and friends, according to a poll I read during the SOPA debacle. The general public is not on their side in this fight.
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I actually know people that do that, particularly with PC games.
I seriously wish people would stop supporting companies that utilize DRM.
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If only that was possible. There are no parametric 3D CAD systems without DRM. There are no professional-grade EDA tools without DRM. For many devices, the only development environment has DRM and there are no third party alternatives.
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Insightful)
I do the some with any EDA and development tools. They are all legitiate, but the first thing I do is get a crack for them so that I don't have to deal with the silliness. Who the heck wants to travel with a fistful of dongles in those times of checkpoint groping and think-of-the-children mentality.
PS. Now, moderate that, ha.
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The scenario I am often now faced with is with friends and family with kids who have spent hundreds of dollars on DVDs.. and bought some DVDs several times.. for the usual reasons.. mostly when the kids turn the DVD into a coaster but also when the DVD wears out.
In these cases.. what have you purchased?
In many cases these parents now refuse to buy the DVD.. they skip directly to the downloads and then burn disks as needed. These are not technical people. They are, however, quite annoyed at buying a DVD several times.
An obvious solution is to deliver content electronically.. but we are still a way off that. Still no solution to play electronic purchased material in the car... I wonder if someone will bring out a device equivalent of the current car DVD player screen devices which instead of playing from a DVD instead plays from a hard drive.. download from the net to the drive, put the device in the car and away you go..
I don't buy books online. I've been burnt with DRM already. I have had several situations where the ebook option would be great.. but the industry right now is not exactly in a state where I trust them.
Probably a good thing as I have hundreds of books I'd like electronically.
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There are a number of portable DVD players that will play off USB flash drives. Also you can put video files on a disc. You just need to make sure you use the right file type.
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It takes one person to upload, but everyone decides if he should buy a book himself.
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Interesting)
--John Scalzi,
Tor/Forge To Go DRM Free by July [scalzi.com]
When Tor first got their site going a few years ago, they put all these eBooks for free. I downloaded a bunch of them, got introduced to some cool authors and got back into buying books, both e and hardcopy.
Same goes for movies and films. Sure, I can easily find any film or song out there but I purchase my stuff from Amazon and iTunes. All my friends (40-60 year olds) are the same way. Maybe I'm too old to be cool and scrape the web?
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I've bought books e-books from both O'Reilly and Pragmatic as well and really like the way they do it-- the PDF has some custom printing on each page that identifies the purchaser and notes the copyright: "this e-book was printed for blah blah blah. copyight some year etc..."
I recently became an e-publisher (see my homepage) and will likely set up a similar DRM-free way for people to buy ebooks if that's their preferred format. The goal is to make it possible for the reader to read what they want, when th
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:4, Informative)
I found that it's trivial to crack the encryption on Barnes and Nobel Nook books, and I've done so on many of the books I've purchased there. Now I let the books float freely between my Nook and Kindle. There were a few Nook books that I was having trouble decrypting, and it turns out that they were already sold with no DRM - I haven't run across any Amazon books without DRM restrictions.
Conversely, I haven't had success at cracking my Kindle books, so I've stopped buying from Amazon. I try to buy non-DRM books (Google Books is a good source for mainstream books, many of their titles have no DRM, Smashwords is another great source for non-DRM books), but when I can't find a non-DRM title, I buy from B&N since I know I can strip the DRM even though I have no interest in sharing books with anyone, I just want to share them among my own devices.
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You can't be serious.
No really he's right. If we can get rid of the DRM, there will be some really nice people who will loan out their book collection to a million or so of their close friends.
People are fundamentally honest. If this were not the case then tell me why Itunes sells drm free mp3 ?
Its just as easy to record a music stream from some internet radio or download from your favorite warez sites. Yes you will find bad apples here and there but in the grand scheme of things people pay for things they want to OWN.
I am very glad that the publishing industry is going in the near term drm free. As an avid reader I've refrained from even buying an e-reader since I don't want deal with vendor lock-in. Yes yes I know its easy to strip DRM but thats not the issue. DRM free books means everyone can sell these, not only Amazon. Diversity in the supply chain is good for everyone. Good for the publishers that are not beholden to one buyer, and good for consumers that can choose the store/s from which to buy ebooks. Ebooks are important, the ipad and other tablets are just a means to an end. For a reader, for me what is important is the ebook. Knowing that in 10, 20 years time I will be able to go back a read these books without any problem even if platforms change, and e-stores go out of business. Just like a real physical book.
Now if we only could get the MPAA to understand this basic reality. Oh well we can't win everytime I suppose. 2 out of 3 is still good though.
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People aren't inately honest they're inately lazy.
If the reason people don't pirate is because they are innately lazy, then to decrease piracy, you have to make it easier to purchase than pirate. This can be done by adding additional services on top of the book that just make things easier. DRM usually does the opposite.
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I stopped buying PC games when DRM started to become irritating. Steam was the final thing for me - a bloated buggy piece of crap that insisted on downloading 1.4GB on my 1Mb/s connection just so that I could play a game I already owned. Apparently it's fixed some of the major bugs now, but when it was introduced it was shockingly bad.
Over the last year, I've spend more on gog.com that I did on games in the preceding 10 years. I have bought some games and not even played them - they're just sitting waiting for me to have some time to waste. I know that they'll still be working by the time I get around to playing them...
Re:"increased goodwill from users"? (Score:5, Insightful)
You could also phrase it as "decreased bad will from users", because when I see DRM applied to something it can't possibly protect (e.g. ANYTHING) I get mad and I want the perpetrator to go out of business and I don't want to give them money.
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You can't be serious.
Well, to be fair he doesn't say how much it increases.
Let's look at examples where this has already worked for me: Bandcamp. From the start they offered music with no DRM at various qualities of lossy and lossless downloads. As a result, for a while I was trying to make it a point to only purchase my music through bandcamp or directly from the little guys. Because the option was there with a large enough volume I could actually do this.
Oddly enough I can stream all the music on Bandcamp when I'm connected to the internet through my computer and phone and I constantly send out links to friends via e-mail and social media sites (free advertising, more goodwill). So you might ask why I would ever pay anything for the music on Bandcamp but I do because sometimes the music is so good that I want something physical as well or I just want this unknown band from Sweden to have enough gas to make it to their next gig.
Am I a typical consumer? Probably not but Bandcamp posts their numbers so I know other people are using it:
Now, does this goodwill offset someone sharing all of Bandcamp's MP3s? Apparently you don't think the goodwill is worth anything compared to that piracy. Maybe you're right but I would be thrilled if there was a Bandcamp site for ebooks where I could read most if not all of the book before purchasing it. Apparently Stross agrees that something less encumbering than the current model will be a better situation than what they have. Unfortunately, there's no sure way to measure this or to speculate if it will work for small time authors but not for big authors nor can you tell if it will be similar to the music anecdote I listed.
So, he actually is serious, it's just the magnitude and trade offs that are unknown and scare publishing executives.
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If you read the intro to the baen free library (http://www.baen.com/library/intro.asp) you'll find that they discovered that freely available DRM-Free downloads of books CONSISTENTLY increase sales of actual physical copies.
So I'd say there's a good chance the same principles you talked about in your experience with Bandcamp hold true for eBooks too.
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Oh that's right, its a pro-piracy story
Being anti-DRM and being pro-piracy are not equivalent things.
No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:5, Informative)
But it's interesting to see what some of the authors have to say about it. Here's a comment from Jim Butcher (Dresden Files, Codex Alera):
I literally receive notices every single day about available free downloads of books I put months if not years of work into, and that's from a simple Google alerts search. Over a three month period, I tracked over 22,000 total pirate downloads of my work, using the stats available from the various file-sharing sites which include a counter stating the number of times the files had been downloaded. Actual sales of e-copies during that same period? Just over 2,500. That's sales information taken from the sales reports I get from the publisher.
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26233.msg1117676.html#msg1117676 [jimbutcheronline.com]
He also has some interesting comments about the publishers and how they're being dragged into eBooks kicking and screaming. :)
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:5, Insightful)
In this case, the real questions would be:
1) Would DRM stop people from doing this? Highly unlikely.
2) Is stopping the pirate bogeyman worth punishing everyone, including paying customers, over?
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e-books will not seriously take off until they are suitably cheap. Once they're like iOS "games", selling for $1-2, people will start to buy them when selling portals are integrated into the various ereaders.
That won't happen for a very long time, book publishers are terrified of losing control of the entire distribution and "scarcity" control.
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Charles Stross also has an explanation of why reducing ebook costs to that level is impractical...
Indeed. Those hundreds of thousands of $0.99 e-books on Amazon can't possibly exist.
A while back I saw a study of the top 100 SF best-seller e-books on Amazon and if I remember correctly the most popular price was $2.99.
Sure, a trade publisher with shareholders and a fancy New York office can't afford to sell books at that price, but plenty of writers can.
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They can and do exit, but the problem with the problem often is that at that price point it isn't cost effective to have the book properly edited, copy checked and typeset. The result of that is a book with less polished writing, more mistakes and poor typesetting. These processes make more of a difference than you think. I've read plenty of books self published by the author, while great reads the difference in overall production quality was noticeable.
Badly typeset books with mistakes in are more difficult to read and even the best authors rely heavily on their editors to shape and refine the book before publication.
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:4, Informative)
For the most part, the $.99 books on Amazon are from authors who are trying to build an audience. For the most part, they are not up to the quality of a full-price book in editing or proofreading, but readers understand the tradeoffs of a $0.99 book. This is a good thing, in my opinion, as it makes it easier for talented young authors to get a start, but for an author that I know and like, I'm perfectly willing to pay a few bucks more for a more polished work.
Another good thing about ebooks is that it makes it possible for authors to keep their backlist in print and offer discounts on these older works. Again, this helps to bring in new readers, some of whom will hopefully be enthusiastic enough to pay full price for the author's more recant works. The "first one is (almost) free" deal works for authors as it does for drug dealers.
In other words, these are loss leaders. But professional editing and proofreading, promotion, and translation into other languages, not to mention advances to authors so that they can afford to write as a full-time profession don't come cheap. So while there will be deals on older books and books by new authors, don't expect prices to drop drastically for new books by established authors.
It won't happen soon because of Amazon (Score:4, Interesting)
e-books will not seriously take off until they are suitably cheap. Once they're like iOS "games", selling for $1-2, people will start to buy them when selling portals are integrated into the various ereaders.
That won't happen for a very long time, book publishers are terrified of losing control of the entire distribution and "scarcity" control.
That won't happen soon because of Amazon's pricing model. If you price a book for under $2.99, you only get 30% royalties (as opposed to 70% for $2.99 and greater if you organize your account right). If it were 70% all the way down, more authoris might be willing to price lower, but who wants to write a book just to give Amazon 70%?
You might as well go with the old guard publishers in that case (well, not really, they pay even less, but still, at leat they'll give you an advance, and some distribution muscle.)
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Quite a few people? Most books I've bought from Amazon to use on my tablet are $2.99 or below and they are some of the most popular titles available in their genres through Amazon.
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e-books will not seriously take off until they are suitably cheap. Once they're like iOS "games", selling for $1-2, people will start to buy them when selling portals are integrated into the various ereaders.
That won't happen for a very long time, book publishers are terrified of losing control of the entire distribution and "scarcity" control.
Until about a year ago I would have agreed with you but I think you underestimate the convenience of the technology. Recently, however, I decided to move house and found that moving my sizable library of over a hundred books and a stack of journals is a tiresome undertaking. Additionally over the last year or so some of my books and the majority the journals have been made available in electronic format (Mostly PDF) by the academic societies who publish them which means I can reduce the size of my library b
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Actually, instead of following the link that crafty.munchkin has given you, I'll cite you a relevant section from his eBook section on common misconceptions about publishing:
1. A manuscript is not the same thing as a book. Just as a random sampling of 100,000 words is not a novel, so too does a finished book differ from a manuscript (the text an author writes, which forms the core of the book). In particular, about 80-90% of the cover price of a book has nothing to do with the paper and ink object you buy i
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:4, Funny)
This is sorta the perfect business model -- acquire something, essentially for no cost, and price it where it is a "no brainer," so that even if it's crap the buyer never goes back for a refund or even internalizes the lesson that maybe he shouldn't buy cheap-ass things.
An endorsement that rings across the ages.
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Correction:
Is stopping the pirate bogeyman worth punishing only the paying customers?
That's the problem with DRM. It doesn't punish those who download illegal torrents, it punishes those who obtain legal copies. I think everyone would see that jailing those wh did not commit murder in order to prevent them from murdering is not a good strategy to fight murder. However with DRM, somehow people don't see that.
Make it less painful to obtain and use legal copies than to obtain and use illegal copies, and you'll see most people use legal copies (well, unless you seriously overprice them).
I've got a DVD player and bought DVDs, but I'll probably never buy a BluRay player or BluRay disks. Why? Because with a DVD player, I can be sure that the DVD will play, and will not stop playing at some time in the future because someone revoked some key because some third party I don't even know about made an unauthorized copy (or maybe for some other reason, after all, how could I check that it really is due to piracy, and not because some government decided to censor that disk and eliminate all uncensored versions that way, or the company got greedy and just wants everyone to buy that disk again?).
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Amazon.com won't sell me an ebook that I can read on my Bookeen Cybook Opus (an e-ink reader with a smaller screen than average; it fits handily into a trouser pocket.)
So if I want to buy an ebook from Amazon, I have to strip the DRM to read it on my e-reader.
I can DO that - it's not at all difficult - but it's an annoying extra step.
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:4, Interesting)
If someone can get a message to him I'd like for him to try the following:
On his next book, ensure that it is sold with the most Draconian DRM possible and then check the sales stats vs the piracy stats after a similar timeframe.
re: Butcher's pricing (Score:4, Interesting)
If he priced his stuff at $6 a pop I would have read the catalog. But $12? Now you're taking advantage.
Re: Butcher's pricing (Score:5, Interesting)
> Butcher prices his Dresden files books at over $10 a pop
I don't know if it's at the link that I posted, or somewhere else in his forums (search through the "WOJ" -- "Words of Jim" -- I believe it's in his Amazon comments) ... but Butcher actually has an emphatic reply when someone says that to him. HE doesn't set the prices, the publisher does, and he rails at Amazon's pricing on EBooks all the time. :)
By the way, I should also point out a different view, namely from Eric Flint (www.ericflint.net), who successfully lobbied for the Baen Free Library. Flint is a leader AGAINST DRM and insists that free distribution actually *increases* sales.
Also, to be fair to Butcher, if you read all of his comments, he's not particularly enamored of DRM. He was just commenting on how the *publishers* view it.
Re: Butcher's pricing (Score:4, Insightful)
I had the same issue. Book one is $10 on amazon. Paperback is $6. Used is 40 cents. Why the hell would I pay $10 for a 12 year old book, than I can't loan to a friend when I'm done. It's pricing models like this that drive people to just download it.
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I buy books and music online (sometimes in electronic formats, sometimes physical media.) Then I get it from TBP instead of downloading it where I bought it or ripping CDs. It is faster and easier for me, I do not have to deal with Digital Restrictions Management, and the vendor saves money on bandwidth. Everybody wins, except that the pirate download count is artificially high.
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Some of those downloaded copies will be mine. Of course, I've also bought physical copies of all his books in as they've come out, and most of the audiobooks over Audible, so he's still getting plenty of dollars from my pocket. I wonder how many else have done likewise, and how many have given him money after initial exposure via piratical means. The first I found of Dresden files was downloading a pirate audio version of Storm Front. I've spent at least $300 on them since.
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I pirate media I've paid for because it often truly is a superior product. No DRM, I can install it on all of my computers (only one of which will it ever be used on at any given time), I can reinstall it as often as I want, and when the DRM servers are offline, I can still use it. This applies to software, music, books, and whatever other media.
If I happen to pirate some media I have not yet paid for, it is either because I can not find elsewhere to preview said media, or because I intend to purchase it wh
Re:No One Hates DRM More Than Me ... (Score:4, Interesting)
It could just be me... (Score:5, Interesting)
...Project Gutenberg has had more money from me (a few hundred Pounds in donations by now, easily, plus time spent volunteering as a proofreader and space and bandwidth given over for distribution which has got to be worth something) than Amazon, B&N or any other major online publisher/distributor ever has. Why? Because their ebooks aren't locked down to fuckery.
Call me cynical, or a pirate, or whatever you want to call me, but I'm not about to buy something I can't use. IF DRM PREVENTS ME FROM TRANSFERRING FILES FROM AN OLD DEVICE TO A NEW ONE WITH NO FURTHER OUTLAY REQUIREMENT THEN I AM NOT INTERESTED.
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As much as I think ebook DRM is bad, this isn't a problem with the kindle "ecosystem." I broke my gen 2 kindle earlier this year and had no problem at all putting my old purchases on my new Kindle touch. Not to mention I could still read it on my phone, in the cloud reader, on various other desktop readers, etc.
However, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to put the same content on another type of reader completely outside of the kindle system, but that would probably be considered another argument.
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Will you be able to take the books with you on your next non-kindle reader?
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However, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to put the same content on another type of reader completely outside of the kindle system, but that would probably be considered another argument.
Well, this is one reason (maybe the main reason) why ebook DRM still exists - not to benefit the authors or publishers, but to lock buyers into the Kindle system (or equivalent). The locks are easy to pick, of course, and with even mainstream sites like Wired linking to DRM stripping guides, you have to wonder how long this will be sustainable:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/01/how-to-strip-drm-from-kindle-e-books-and-others/ [wired.com]
This makes removal so easy and seamless, you almost (as with DVD DRM) forget it
Re:It could just be me... (Score:4, Interesting)
On the rare occasions I look up from my book, it seems I'm not alone. At least a half of the passengers on the train are reading something.
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Introducing html markup! (Score:2)
See the difference?
Bean has done drm free for years (Score:3, Informative)
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You got the URL right, but you spelled the name as "Bean" twice. o.O
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Pottermore... (Score:5, Informative)
I think one factor which has really changed publisher's views in the past few weeks on this issue is the success [guardian.co.uk] that J.K. Rowling has had selling Harry Potter online. She deliberately waited a long time before allowing eBook versions, as much to get things settled out, but the result is very clean: even Amazon just directs to the Potter site [guardian.co.uk], which then links back to all the DRM'ed eReaders as well as providing direct downloads in ePub.
So she's getting most of the money (well, her and her publisher), not Amazon, she dictates the price, and is no longer affected by the Amazon Monopsony [wikipedia.org] that Amazon has gained by being the most common (but not universal) ebook platform. While a buyer no longer has to worry about DRM lockin: the books they buy will read anywhere, painlessly.
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The prices on Pottormore are even quite reasonable. I would easily pay double for the Japanese version of the e-book, but alas it doesn't seem to be for sale. E-books let me look up words in the dictionary very quickly so they are much more convenient than paper for studying. I hope they figure it out. As strange as it sounds, they probably don't own the copyright for the Japanese version... sigh.
Re:Pottermore... (Score:5, Interesting)
Want to publish your book DRM free with amazon? That is a CHECKBOX on their interface.
All of my novels are published DRM free in the kindle store. I insisted on it because DRM is annoying to ME as a paying customer, because I like to decide which readers I read my books on personally, and I would like to afford my customers and fans (even the ones that pirate) the same courtesy.
The first time a fan comes up to you sheepishly and says "I saw your book on TPB and started reading it, and well... can you sign this hardback for me, I bought all your other books too." You really get it.
I push (and sometimes pay personally) to have my books in libraries, I made sure they are available for free in the kindle lending library, I make sure they are DRM free, I have to respect my customers, or they will never respect me.
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* Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited
I have no real problem with DRM on my ebooks (Score:3)
The only guarantee I want is that regardless of the DRM method used that the original provider of the material does not have to exist for me to continue to access the books I purchased. This would most likely require some form of public repository for the encryption keys.
Real books have their own DRM which is simply, whomever has it has access to it. Digital copies are simply to easy to give away. How can that one property physical copies have be replicated in the digital world without inconveniencing the end user and opening the publisher to loss by copying? Water marking doesn't seem practical, let alone enforceable.
I do wish that DRM protected works were a lot cheaper.
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What you ask for is the exact opposite DRM intends to accomplish. Just Say No.
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Someone buys the book, the server builds the book on the fly with the user ID placed at the appropriate places in the book and provides a link for the download which applies to that specific user.
Knowledge in the World vs. Knowledge in the Head (Score:5, Interesting)
In the 90's, the distinction was popularly called Knowledge in the World vs. Knowledge in the Head [aacinstitute.org]. As our communication and recording systems improve, we externalize more of our knowledge. First we recorded knowledge in books rather than memorize poetry. Now we rely on Google instead of memorizing facts.
Every book we read, therefore, constitutes a portion of our externalized knowledge. Some of what we read might get memorized, but most of it gets absorbed as an awareness where we know we can look it up again in the future (moves knowledge from DK-DK to K-DK [wordpress.com]). By agreeing to DRM, eBook users place control of part of their knowledge -- part of their mind, if you will -- in the hands of corporations. The corporations are practicing mind control with DRM.
B&N will be gone in 5 years (Score:2)
between amazon and apple there will be no more B&N soon
even though i have 2 iphones and an ipad i still buy all my books in kindle format. it's the closest standard there is that works across a lot of different hardware from different manufacturers
Is this about DRM or standardization? (Score:3, Interesting)
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I couldn't agree with you more, and if I had mod points I'd mod you up. As someone else pointed out, all DRM is meant to do is to preserve the same security that physical limitations provided before digital editions, i.e. you can only read a book if you're physically holding it, which limits you to one copy. As a writer, I want to get paid for the work I put into writing something, and DRM is one way of ensuring that no one is reading something of mine without my permission. BUT, I also want people to want
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As someone else pointed out, all DRM is meant to do is to preserve the same security that physical limitations provided before digital editions, i.e. you can only read a book if you're physically holding it, which limits you to one copy.
It's a completely arbitrary restriction since they're not physical items. Not only that, but their DRM often only harms paying customers, because it sure as hell won't harm the pirates who can just crack it.
As a writer, I want to get paid for the work I put into writing something, and DRM is one way of ensuring that no one is reading something of mine without my permission.
As a non-pirate, I do not want to be punished for the actions of others (pirates). Take your collective punishment schemes elsewhere. I pay for things because I want to support people who make those things, but when you treat me as a criminal, I'm going to ignore your product entirely and tell everyone e
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As someone else pointed out, all DRM is meant to do is to preserve the same security that physical limitations provided before digital editions, i.e. you can only read a book if you're physically holding it, which limits you to one copy.
If that is what it is meant to do, it has gone horribly wrong. If DRM did do just that, very many fewer people would have a problem with it.
As a writer, I want to get paid for the work I put into writing something, and DRM is one way of ensuring that no one is reading so
Rockfax seems to have a good solution (Score:5, Interesting)
Bart
Publishers don't know shit (Score:2)
I've been downloading ebooks for years. No drm, no hassle. Sure, these books were OCR'd and have mistakes sometimes, but I don't care.
Yet the publishers want DRM, want to charge the same prices for paper books, etc.
Fuck you, you want my money? Do the shit right.
It doesn't have to go (Score:2)
The book would still be protected by a key but the key could be revoked by one owner and transferred to another. I would still hold a copy of the book as a file but in the absence o
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Please show me the free standard for Ultraviolet, or even one that is not free but I can develop against. I want to make an ultraviolet player.
Stop using DRM as an excuse to not pay (Score:3)
I've read a bunch of comments and there are two things that I keep seeing:
1) "I hate DRM and I won't pay if there's DRM on a book! I'm definitely just going to download it!"
2) "DRM is so easily cracked, anyway! Why do they think it's going to stop anyone?"
Bonus:
3) "With DRM, how will I move my books to a new platform?"
We all know DRM is, at best, an inconvenience. I agree that it should be removed, and publishers should face up to the reality that people are willing to pay a fair price--even an inflated price, honestly--for a product as long as it's convenient. Piracy is only more appealing when it's easier than buying.
But if you're using DRM as an excuse to not pay for the book, you're full of shit. Seriously.
You should buy the book anyway and send an email to the company explaining why their system is counter-productive. Downloading books without paying shortchanges authors. These are the people that you're ostensibly trying to support.
iTunes ended up DRM free because the middleman (Apple, obviously) was convinced by consumers that DRM wasn't necessary, and encouraged the labels to drop DRM as a requirement. It became obvious to everyone that people are happy to spend their money to support artists they enjoy. I'm sure there's still quite an active music trading scene, but there's money changing hands, too.
Your positions on downloading and trading are inconsistent with your positions on supporting artists and convincing companies to remove DRM. You have to show them that the market is there and willing to pay (assuming they're not fleecing us) to convince them that DRM is unnecessary. In the meantime, you're just entrenching them further and making it harder for your favourite writers to do their work.
Buy books. Pay for them. If you can, buy from a publisher that's already DRM free and thank them for their decision. If you can't, buy the book and remove the DRM afterwards if you like and stop falsely complaining that you can't device-shift your collection. Then get off your lazy ass and write the publisher and remind them that you ALREADY paid for the book and that you'd appreciate it if they considered changing their policy.
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I am using DRM as an excuse to not buy, period. It is not an inconvenience, it is a show-stopper for any committed reader.
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But if you're using DRM as an excuse to not pay for the book, you're full of shit. Seriously.
Are they? Consider this: a person doesn't want to support the people who make the product because they utilize DRM, but still wants the product. I'm not saying it's right, but what I am saying is that it's a very possible scenario.
You should buy the book anyway and send an email to the company explaining why their system is counter-productive.
What I'd suggest is: don't buy it at all, and tell them why you didn't. Don't download it, either, as that could provide them with free advertising.
Then get off your lazy ass and write the publisher and remind them that you ALREADY paid for the book and that you'd appreciate it if they considered changing their policy.
If you keep buying their products, there is far less of a chance that they'll learn their lesson. They'll change when their source of
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I'm willing to concede the point that if you don't download the product as well as not buying it, then you're at least working inside a self-consistent system. My issue is with people that are downloading the book but using the DRM as the sole excuse for not paying for it, as if to teach the companies a lesson. I believe that it's an untenable and unhelpful position to take.
GOG (Score:4, Informative)
Just wanted to give a nod to GOG.com and point them out as an example. They sell games that are only DRM-free, and they seem to be doing just fine. I've been one of their customers since they started a few years ago, and I've only seen them grow. I haven't heard anything about their games being stolen and redistributed. I see no reason why it'd be different for (reasonably priced) ebooks.
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Your comments about Baen Publishing were very similar to what I was going to say, however I'd also like to point out that Baen also includes CD-ROM disks in some of their novels as well. For instance, I bought one of the 1632 novels in hardback. (The Baltic War I think), and it contained a CD that had the entire series on it. Printed right there on the label it said that you are free to copy and distribute the disk as long as you don't charge for it. Baen rocks, and really gets it. I've picked up several of