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Canadian Teenager Arrested For Photographing Mall Takedown 770

blackfrancis75 writes "An aspiring teenage journalist in B.C., Canada who witnessed a mall takedown and decided to photograph it (using a real-film camera), was told to 'delete' the photo by security guards. He (quite legally) refused to do so, and when local police arrived they assisted mall security in pushing him to the ground, handcuffing him, cutting off his backpack with a utility knife and searching it. 'He said the security guards held him, attempting to grab his camera, and he was pushed to the ground. He said he then tried to use his body to protect two cameras he carried in his bag. "They're just yelling and screaming, and just telling me to stop resisting," Markiewicz said.'"
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Canadian Teenager Arrested For Photographing Mall Takedown

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  • lawsuit time? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:08PM (#41792507)
    I don't much like the litigious nature that has invaded our society But... I hope he sues their arses off.
    • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:12PM (#41792549)

      You must be new to Canada, Vic Toews (Public Safety Minister) has empowered law enforcement to do as they please.

      • by cheekyboy ( 598084 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @09:45PM (#41793619) Homepage Journal

        Time to do a internet fight club on these nazi fuckers.

        Lets organize a international VIDEO A COP DAY, and have 1000s of geeks with, RECORD A COP tshirts and just go recording them like its new craze.

        • by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Sunday October 28, 2012 @04:45AM (#41795055) Journal

          I was going to say something similar. If your going to film a cop or a security guard getting busy with someone, make sure you have someone documenting you. A go pro is relatively cheap (there are similar self contained bullet even cheaper) and will not attract too much attention.

          Then if something like this happens, put it on the evening news. Put it on the interweb, and put it in evidence for the court case to free whomever on the trumped up charge as well as helping sue the piss out of everyone.

    • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:22PM (#41792649)

      Myself, I would like to see the mall security cameras footage (if available), or independent witnesses. There's the security personel's / RCMP story, the victim's story, and the truth.

      • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by hairyfeet ( 841228 ) <bassbeast1968@gm ... minus herbivore> on Saturday October 27, 2012 @09:54PM (#41793669) Journal
        Watch the end of America [youtube.com] which applies to ALL of the west, because they are all pretty much following the same game plan, suppress rights, use cops as thugs, the stuff we are seeing now is what they saw in Italy and Germany in the early 30s, its how you take a modern society, like Germany and Italy before their "dear leaders" came to power that was an open society, and slowly but surely make it into a closed society.
        • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @10:36PM (#41793873) Homepage

          What I don't get is that here in this land of North America, we've got it pretty good. Why are so many trying to kill the goose which has been laying all these golden eggs? This prosperous society, far removed from places which are simply less fortunate and certainly less civilized, seems to be collapsing down from its enviable position.

          I guess they never got the memo talking about balance in society and knowing when you have enough wealth and power. Having too much wealth and power creates and unstable situation which invariably results in the masses seeking to restore stability.

          We're okay with insanely rich people... just so long as the majority of us aren't suffering because of it. Turns out, majorities are suffering... and becoming motivated.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by 0111 1110 ( 518466 )

            How are rich people responsible for thuggish, authoritarian cops and security guards? It sounds to me like governments ultimately have to be held responsible for it. The War Against Photography has little to do with any sort of rich vs poor class warfare.

          • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by advocate_one ( 662832 ) on Sunday October 28, 2012 @03:14AM (#41794825)
            but they want it all... and they're worried we might want to take it back, so they're setting up the police state to prevent us from taking it back...
      • by dgharmon ( 2564621 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @09:57PM (#41793685) Homepage

        > Myself, I would like to see the mall security cameras footage (if available) ..

        Inexplicably, the cameras were not working on the day ...

      • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, 2012 @10:03PM (#41793719)

        Yeah, there's all that. Blah blah. I held opinions similar to yours until last year. And then I got first-hand experience with police thugs.

        I was just standing there, watching people having their IDs checked, and failed to immediately comply told to move along. I got beaten up, arrested, and held overnight for fallacious reasons (being drunk). I sued the two cops for assault. They got off clean. I got a fine for good measure.

        Fuck the police. And the justice system.

      • Re:lawsuit time? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Kergan ( 780543 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @10:13PM (#41793769)

        If you ever get beaten up and arrested by cops for no other reason than just standing there, and subsequently booted out of court when you press charges against them for assault, you'll probably hold a very different opinion.

  • by Alain Williams ( 2972 ) <addw@phcomp.co.uk> on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:14PM (#41792565) Homepage

    They should be sued for assault and for damage to his property. This should be paid for by the individuals, not out of RCMP funds - several thousand $ is a lot to individual members of the RCMP, but not to the RCMP as an organisation. Unless there is a penalty for their actions they will not change.

    They should then be fired since it is plain that they are not fit to serve in the trusted role that RCMP is.

    Doug MacDougall needs to have it explained that someone does not have to do everything that their staff demand, their staff have limits on what they can ask someone to do.

  • by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:14PM (#41792567) Homepage Journal

    Don't even know how to rip the film out of a camera and expose it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:33PM (#41792739)

    Private security folk do not have any right to man-handle people who are not are non-threatening in Canada. With no apparent theft, or abuse or danger imminent, their sole legal recourse should have been to contact the RCMP.

    The problem was the kid losing his cool. Now he'll probably get nowhere with what should have been a great lawsuit and a huge embarrassment to the mall.

    Instead his "causing a disturbance" gave the police cause to arrest him. After that, it was all normal. When you arrest someone you make sure they're no longer armed, if that requires cutting off their backpack (because they cuffed you for causing a disturbance) then that's normal too. I know it's rude, but it's practical. Get over it.

    I don't know if I could have done any better than this kid at 16. And I'm glad he stood up to them.

    If you can keep your cool, when you've snapped a great takedown pick and a mall-cop demands something of you, politely decline, and start dialling 911 as you explain why they have no right to it. If they proceed with initiating force to take things from you describe what is happening to you phone as it's happening. In most places these calls are recorded. Let them bring all the force and you “be the guy” who wanted the police involved and a non-violent solution from the beginning.

    If you can pull that off, when they explain themselves to the police and the judge, they're going to sound like the dickheads that they are.

    • by compro01 ( 777531 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:47PM (#41792835)

      If you can keep your cool, when you've snapped a great takedown pick and a mall-cop demands something of you, politely decline.

      Actually, they CAN (in BC and Ontario, at least) legally tell you to stop taking pictures and/or leave the property. Failing to do so "as soon as practicable" then becomes trespassing and they can have you arrested.

      They cannot make you delete the pictures you've already taken nor can they detain you nor can they search or seize anything.

  • by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:47PM (#41792833)
    I have seen them do it in many clips on the internet by now: they assault an innocent victim, all the while chanting "Stop resisting!"

    Apparently the idea is to make it look like the person is resisting arrest, justifying their use of force.

    It's complete bullshit of course. Which is precisely why we need those cameras.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 27, 2012 @07:57PM (#41792903)

      reminds me of southpark hunting, everything is in season as long as you yell "it's coming right at me"

  • by Maow ( 620678 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @08:41PM (#41793273) Journal

    Contact Metrotown [metropolis...rotown.com] and tell them that, if you're nearby you may boycott them, if you're "away", you've now heard of them and it's not good what you've heard.

    General Inquiries

    For general shopping centre inquiries including requests for donations or mall participation in community events call 604.438.4715 or email us at: info@metropolisatmetrotown.com [mailto]

  • by Tastecicles ( 1153671 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @09:27PM (#41793509)

    Let's see:

    unlawful restraint
    unlawful imprisonment
    criminal damage
    unlawful search
    unlawful seizure

    That's enough to put the mall managers (by accessory), the rentacops and the actual cops, all away for LIFE.

  • by BenBoy ( 615230 ) on Saturday October 27, 2012 @10:05PM (#41793729)
    ... That's what I absolutely love about my phone camera ... Go ahead and smash it; the photo's already auto-uploaded. Of course, later, when I'm running for president and those *other* pix show up, it's gonna be mighty awkward.
  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Sunday October 28, 2012 @09:41AM (#41795989)

    1) Security guards are pinning somebody down in a mall
    2) Kid takes pictures
    3) Mall 'cops' demand he delete photos from his *film* camera
    4) Kid declines, tries to leave (while taking more pictures)
    5) Guards assault the kid (unlawful, because all they're allowed to do is remove him for trespassing unless he's committed a crime, in which case they can hold him for police)
    6) Kid is swearing and mouthing off (no shit!)
    7) RCMP shows up, sees unruly teen being held by mall cops, and cuffs the kid.
    8) Genius cop decides that to search the kid's backpack, he's going to cut the straps to get around the handcuffs

    The real cops made some minor decisions that make things look worse, but given the circumstances I'm not sure we can really blame them. If the kid had kept his cool and done something smart - like politely request the guards be arrested for assaulting him when all he'd done is take a picture instead of cursing and being mouthy, this could have been a much funnier story.

    Neither the kid nor the real cops handled the situation perfectly, but the real villains here are the minimum wage mall cops who should all be fired. If I were that kid, I'd be putting up their photos (and he still has those!) on a nice web site with the caption, "I work at Metrotown shopping mall in Burnaby, B.C., and I assault mall patrons for taking photographs, with the full support of the mall owners."... I bet things would change pretty damn quickly once that shitstorm caught on with the local news.

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