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Trade Group: US Software Developer Wages Fell 2% Last Year 237

First time accepted submitter russotto points out the claim of industry group TechAmerican Foundation (reported by Computerworld) that "wages for the software industry are falling, not rising. Wages fell 2% to $99,000 in 2012." Averages are one thing; the article points out though that wages vary vastly within the industry, and that some jobs are harder to fill (thus, better paid) than others. An excerpt: "Victor Janulaitis, CEO of Janco Associates, a research firm that also analyzes IT wage and employment trends, cited a number of reason for the decline in wages for software professionals. First, technology is becoming easier to implement without having an IT professional, he said. Also, the option of turning to outsourcing creates less pressure to increase wages. As the recession continues, companies continue 'to look at productivity and will often look to hire individuals who are lower cost employees,' said Janulaitis. That could include displaced baby boomer workers who have been out of work for some time and 'will take a lower paying job just to get back into the workforce.'"
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Trade Group: US Software Developer Wages Fell 2% Last Year

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  • Re:Sad, but true (Score:5, Insightful)

    by HornWumpus ( 783565 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @12:49PM (#43768357)

    Worker was a fool for starting the conversation without an offer in hand.

    Then next line should be:

    WORKER: Hire those programmers, I quit. Best of luck to you.

  • Re:Sad, but true (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Richard Dick Head ( 803293 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @01:31PM (#43768553) Homepage Journal
    Haha, depends on where you are at I guess. Maybe you need to move? Or just save some of what my grandfather liked to call "fuck you" money. Enough so that at any time you can tell your boss "fuck you" and you go find another job. Otherwise you'll just get bullied by your boss forever.

    Anyway, more on topic, I hear there is a shortage of talent in the Bay Area. Although...since there are only so many LGBT software engineers who are good, software engineers who are good but who don't understand cost-of-living, single and straight software engineers that are good but don't understand that California girls are trained from birth to be cocaine-snorting psychotic leeches who will rob you blind (true story), etc.

    Eventually you will see companies discover that they could move to tech hubs in places like Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Missouri, Arkansas, etc...and have far less trouble finding qualified people (although like anywhere else you still have to weed through the dunces) because these are places a normal, non-fucked-up person who is missing some critical piece of their logical reasoning would actually consider living. So some companies will move. And while the average income would decrease every time that happens, the quality of life would increase quite a bit.

    You might disagree with me for hating on the Bay Area, but I doubt there is anything anyone could possibly say to change my mind, and there are a ton of people who think the same way :D You just can't live a normal life in a place like that. Otherwise there wouldn't be a shortage there, because I hear the scenery is nice and the weather is great...

    Another move is that I'm seeing it is popular to move into consulting (especially baby boomers) their entire incomes wouldn't necessarily show up on "salary" averages. A savvy consultant will "pay" himself as little salary as possible to avoid donating good money to the bottomless pit of the IRS.

    No, things are on the uptick. The smart engineers are collectively getting smarter. The dumb ones are are getting screwed, but that story hasn't exactly changed in the past decades. There was a small blip in the late 90's where any idiot could put on a software engineer hat and make money, and those same idiots have been camping out in the industry like fat squirrels around an empty bird feeder. Eventually they'll go away. :D
  • Re:Sad, but true (Score:4, Insightful)

    by HornWumpus ( 783565 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @01:33PM (#43768565)

    Might work once, and not really all that well.

    If you want a good raise you need to change jobs or be ready to.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @02:07PM (#43768747) Journal

    Good managers are very rare.

    So we're told. Yet, the distribution of good and bad managers is almost exactly the same as good and bad line workers.

    most of them are worth the money because they can generate share holder wealth.

    Share value increases most when jobs are cut. Any idiot can cut salaries and jobs to get a quarterly bump in share price. The success of US corporations has more to do with corporate consolidation increasing pricing power than it does brilliant management.

    We have a system where management success means the failure of everyone else who works for the company. Instead of an economy that is based on widespread prosperity, we have one based on prosperity for a very small group who succeed in a system whose rules they set, and misery for everyone else.

    We actually have some historical experience with these situations, and it never, ever ends well for elite.

  • Re:Sad, but true (Score:3, Insightful)

    by HornWumpus ( 783565 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @05:18PM (#43769615)

    The right answer is to ask for a raise as politely as possibly but with the clear message that the current rate isn't cutting it. Don't mention the offer.

    If, predictably, they say 'F.U.' (or it's equivalent) then you simply quit and take the new job. The only reason they get any notice at all is to avoid burning the bridge.

    Giving the bastards a chance to counter is an act of _loyalty_. Don't do it, they don't deserve it.

    Don't even try to out weasel word a weasel. They know good and well that both your statements are equivalent and will react the same to both.

  • by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Sunday May 19, 2013 @09:29PM (#43770643)

    $99,000 makes the developer a demi-god.

    I'm not sure what kind of methods used to calculate this 99,000 number comes from anyways. Maybe stock grants for developers involved in startups? Or maybe it's a geographic thing.

    I've been professional in this field for 6 years; I have a bachelor of science in CS, 8 programming languages, and I don't see nearly half of that.

    Admittedly i'm the only developer in my organization, and I get hit with system engineering tasks and working with IT technicians as well, to provide them the help they need to understand what actions they need to be taking.

    But I think the 99,000 number is a fiction.

    Compensation probably varies from company to company... so where appreciation from stock option grants is considered in some companies 99,000 may be Demo-God status... in other companies 99,000 might be feh...

    Companies are unlikely to pay programmers more than their CEO though; furthermore, pay decreases down the chain of managers, and the more managers there are above the developer.... probably, the more people there are that the programmers' definitely won't get paid more than.

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