White House Calls On Kids To Film High-Tech Education 95
theodp writes "Over at WhiteHouse.gov, Bill Nye has issued a call for entries for the first-ever White House Student Film Festival, a video contest for K-12 students, whose finalists will have their short films shown at the White House. From the website: "The President has an assignment for you: Our schools are more high-tech than ever. There are laptops in nearly every classroom. You can take an online course on Japanese — and then video chat with a kid from Japan. You can learn about geometry through an app on your iPad. So, what does it all mean? We're looking for videos that highlight the power of technology in schools. Your film should address at least one of the following themes: 1. How you currently use technology in your classroom or school. 2. The role technology will play in education in the future."
I'm torn (Score:3, Funny)
Competition is good but if the government is doing it this must be socialism.
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Competition is good but if the government is doing it this must be socialism.
Not quite, for this is lacking the manipulative brainwashing element of organized religion.
And since Bill Nye is involved, hopefully it'll stay that way.
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Burn any crosses lately?
Steer me to your virtual lawn and I'll see what I can do.
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I'm sort of wondering what the overall purpose in this competition is. Does the white house want to prove how "good" our education system is? Or is the goal to improve it by trying to get more students into filmography?
Neither of those seems terribly effective. Our education system isn't really that great, and I don't know about anybody else, but from where I sit there doesn't seem to be high prospects of growth in the film industry (it's sort of a saturated market, and quite often people spend more money o
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I think the goal is to get kids excited about being educated, because kids who are excited about school tend to stay in it longer and get more out of it.
I also think that given them a goal - explaining what they do for a film festival - is a good application to focus their efforts. I'm sure you meant "application" in terms of "job training" but, for those kids doing the filming and editing, it might be job training. For the others, they still have 4-12 years to take care of that.
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Hmm...I must be a celebrity.
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Your faux semantic argument aside, plenty of people excited about being educated can receive that education in the public school system - even in the same schools that others fail from. (There are most certainly schools where that is not possible, but it is true at the vast majority of schools.)
I have no tolerance for anarchists who see a problem and can only solve it by blowing it up.
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plenty of people excited about being educated can receive that education in the public school system - even in the same schools that others fail from.
And they could just as easily get one elsewhere. The difference is, there wouldn't be a focus on rote memorization over understanding, awful tests, and pointless busywork, which would give them more time to actually try to understand meaningful concepts. Basically, if they really are excited about education, they'll get as far away from our public schools as possible.
I have no tolerance for anarchists who see a problem and can only solve it by blowing it up.
I don't see any anarchists here. I just acknowledge that our (and the public school systems of most other countries) public school system is a
Kids As Educators (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sort of wondering what the overall purpose in this competition is.
The government has no idea what to do with technology in schools. They are hoping kids can figure out some use for it and show them.
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Considering the average kid is more comfortable using new technology, this isn't a bad idea.
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I share your wonderment about what the overall purpose of the competition might be. The results will be anecdotal at best, which is not something to base policy upon.
The cynical side of me thinks that these submissions will be used to justify spending on "technology" for education. It seems to be a long-standing yet not necessarily proven meme that using technology in education will make education "better" (cheaper, more effective, etc.). I haven't seen much in the way of a cost/benefit analysis that wo
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if the government is doing it this must be socialism.
You misspelled "propaganda".
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Competition is good but if the government is doing it this must be socialism.
Since the private sector only looks to monetize every possible event, profiting from the kids, it is about time that a "foss" approach to challenging youngsters is given. The stimulus will actually help to raise the average level of education, which from the last statistics was quite far down from the top.
Socialist Canada's kids on the same tests, did better and the statistics say that on the average, Canadian kids are better educated than Americans. In regards to smartness (IQ), one group has exclusivity
Tongue in Cheek (Score:5, Funny)
High-school computer classes already in the 1980s (Score:3)
There were high-school computer classes already in the 1982. I know, I attended them. Now, more than thirty years later, with the advent of the internet on top it, schools and politicians still speak of computers as high-tech? In my world they're commodities.
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That assumes they can spend any time at school doing anything besides preparing for their next standardized test, and have access to resources at home to accomplish these things. And that they like tinkering with stuff, too, which probably means that we need to get their parents to like it so they'll instill it in their kids.
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In some schools, it's still 1982....
When I graduated HS in 1997, they were still using Apple II computers to teach typing class. That would have made a great video, a bunch of students using computers that are almost as old as they are.
We also had a "modern" IBM PC network lab, using diskless IBM PS/2 model 30s (8088 cpu) with IBM classroom-lan on a 386-based server.
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We also had a "modern" IBM PC network lab, using diskless IBM PS/2 model 30s (8088 cpu) with IBM classroom-lan on a 386-based server.
Ay and we were grateful. In my school, they cut us in two wit' a bread knife...
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when I was in high school the place was loaded with computers, you were not allowed to do anything with them but they were there collecting dust and acting as jewelry
that was in the 90's
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More importantly, why are we wasting time and resources asking children to propagandize implementations of technology in education for the sake of it rather than worrying about the quality of education, itself? If technology itself somehow inherently improved education, you wouldn't need to promote it. Steve Jobs understood this ages ago.
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More importantly, why are we wasting time and resources asking children to propagandize implementations of technology in education for the sake of it rather than worrying about the quality of education, itself?
Because kids who are excited about their own education can get more out of it, regardless of school condition, than those who are just passing time until 4 PM. Hands-on applications like these with a deadline and goal help build that excitement.
But if you think getting kids excited about learning is a waste of time and resources, there's little point in trying to improve the quality of an education that the kids won't care to learn.
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This is about getting kids excited about making a video.
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....a video about ways they learn at school. Though, honestly, getting kids excited about anything intellectually challenging is a success.
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I was with you until the 9/11 and secrete FISA courts. The Secrete FISA courts were instituted during the 70's with the creation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that came about because the cops were using the government's ability to spy on foreigners to get taps on citizens without warrants that the supreme court finally said was needed in the late 1960's. The idea of keeping them secrete was that spies couldn't use public records to piece together who and what was being looked at and th
You're addressing the wrong problem. (Score:1)
The people that think technology is the problem with our schools aren't addressing the real problem: The fact that our culture is anti-learning, anti-education, pro-sky-fairies and anti-critical thinking. You need to get kids to enjoy learning, get them reading and writing, then get them to learn to think rationally and analyze things critically. Without learning the scientific method and a disciplined approach to problem solving, at best our schools will be producing burger-flippers and some astonishingly
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As a follow-up, children need to keep an open mind, but not so open that their brains fall out. Society appears to be more tolerant of differing belief systems than it was in the past, which is good. The bad part about it is when people come to believe that every viewpoint, every side of a discussion is equally valid. Sometimes it isn't, sometimes it isn't. One needs to apply those critical thinking skills, do some research, and perhaps perform some experiments on their own before agreeing to accept someone
Re:You're addressing the wrong problem. (Score:4, Insightful)
The people that think technology is the problem with our schools aren't addressing the real problem: The fact that our culture is anti-learning, anti-education, pro-sky-fairies and anti-critical thinking.
Well, yes. But that's compulsory schooling for you. Kids are forced to sit in boring classrooms for the best part of twenty years being indoctrinated by left-wing, unionised government employees so they'll vote for left-wing governments who'll demand higher taxes to pay teachers more.
You need to get kids to enjoy learning, get them reading and writing, then get them to learn to think rationally and analyze things critically.
Kids naturally enjoy learning and want to learn as much as possible. Takes years of teaching to beat that out of them.
What these people really don't want to hear is that 'high tech' is making schools themselves irrelevant when a kid who can read can find just about any information they want either online or in a good library.
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The elite few--that is, intelligent people--have always brought about all the important innovation.
And of course they did it alone, with no support from the surrounding society?
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The people that think technology is the problem with our schools aren't addressing the real problem: The fact that our culture is anti-learning, anti-education, pro-sky-fairies and anti-critical thinking. You need to get kids to enjoy learning...
...like by having a focused, deadline- and goal-driven event to get them excited about things that they do at school. Let's have a film festival and get the students to film themselves showing off something that their schools are doing, unrelated to sports.
good luck with that (Score:3)
The positive experiences I recall: displaying complex data like charts and such and enabling a professor bound to a wheelchair to project their written words on a screen (both which incidentally could be done with an overhead projector). I've also had some positive experiences with remote teaching and computer lab classrooms which are oriented around study of particular software.
The rest just seems like a very expensive way to implement cheap technologies that already work. It's a way to turn a thousand dollar blackboard into a ten thousand dollar blackboard.
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I learned more in shop (9th grade) than in my first few computer classes (6th and 8th grades) as well, but that's in part because I was already programming before I took those computer classes. Honestly I didn't learn much in my first computer science class either (9th grade) but did in my second year, especially because I was competing for the school in programming competitions, learning how to quickly grasp requirements, break them down into known parts, and implement those parts logically. That sort of
Calling All Young Michael Moores! (Score:2)
Perhaps some budding Michael Moore [michaelmoore.com] might want to contrast the technology available [sidwell.edu] to the President's kids at the $35,288-a-year Sidwell Friends School ("The number one blessing for this [iMovie] project [blogspot.com] was the delivery of noise-cancelling headphones for each child") to the tech available at rural Appalachia schools [npr.org] (avg. family income $40,000). Sidwell Friends is also living-the-cyberlife as a charter member of the elite Global Online Academy [globalonlineacademy.org], which boasts that "classmates in Washington, D.C. $35,288 [sidwell.edu], and
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For the president's kids, certain logistical considerations make this nigh impossible. Consider that those kids are way up near the top of the list as the world's juiciest kidnap/assassination/crazy-whackjob-murder targets. If I had kids, I wouldn't want them to be going to the same public school as the president's, because any such school would necessarily need to be utterly isolated and cut off from the outside world, under constant heavy guard and severely restricted access.
I do certainly favor the gener
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As another commenter says, I agree with you in principle. If I believe in the public school system, I should send my kids to it. And I will at least in part, tempered to compromise with my wife who found one of her life's passions (music) at a Montessori elementary school before she switched to public schools, too.
But I'm not POTUS. My kids are anonymous. I wouldn't want my kids to be at a school that is itself a terrorist target due to the presence of the POTUS' kids.
Yes it is when he screwed over DC (Score:2)
Of all the things there are to blame Obama for, sending his kids to a private school is not one of them.
Actually it is.
DC had an awesome voucher program going, that helped poor kids attend good schools.
When Obama came in, he nixed it.
So his kids should attend the same schools he made the poor kids attend when they didn't have to.
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Perhaps some budding Michael Moore [michaelmoore.com] might want to contrast the technology available [sidwell.edu] to the President's kids at the $35,288-a-year Sidwell Friends School ("The number one blessing for this [iMovie] project [blogspot.com] was the delivery of noise-cancelling headphones for each child") to the tech available at rural Appalachia schools [npr.org] (avg. family income $40,000). Sidwell Friends is also living-the-cyberlife as a charter member of the elite Global Online Academy [globalonlineacademy.org], which boasts that "classmates in Washington, D.C. $35,288 [sidwell.edu], and San Francisco $38,900 [harker.org] work on projects with peers in Madaba-Manja, Jordan $38,272 [kingsacademy.edu.jo], and Portland, Oregon $25,850 [catlin.edu]. Students in Hawaii $19,950 [punahou.edu] (President Obama's alma mater) and Chicago $29,985 [latinschool.org] discuss global health issues with students in New York $40,220 [dalton.org], Seattle $28,500 [lakesideschool.org] (Bill Gates' alma mater), Boston $46,700 [nobles.edu], and Jakarta, Indonesia $30,200 [jisedu.or.id]."
And what would the message of this movie be? "America has expensive but fancy private schools"? I think we already knew that. Yeah, if you're willing to shell out some coin, you can indeed buy a great education for your kid. So what? With more money you can also buy better healthcare, go to better colleges, eat at better restaurants, drive safer cars and live in better houses located in better neighborhoods.
Spend more, because kids aren't learning more (Score:4, Insightful)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/ [cbsnews.com]
While the USA spends more on education, we still aren't learning better then anyone else.
Funny how Lincoln educated himself with a piece of coal and a shovel to write on (according to stories I was told in school), yet today kids have to have an tablet to learn?
Maybe the kids could do a high tech film about how throwing money at technology doesn't actually improve education.
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Maybe the kids could do a high tech film about how throwing money at technology doesn't actually improve education.
Exactly what I was thinking.
There is a general feeling in the U.S. that public schools are failing (regardless of whether that opinion is justified). It seems to me that buying more technology is the lazy administrator's way of "doing something about it." Purchasing technology also provides a convenient measure of progress, however dubious. Administrators can brag about how they are providing every student with an iPad, or putting smart boards in every classroom, or whatever the current fad is, and cla
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I agree that, for many students, whatever toys they get in 9th grade might be too late. I don't think that this is just due to the public school system, though. Kids need to enter elementary school intellectually curious and wanting to learn. For some, that's a genetic certainty. For others, though, it may take hard work on the part of their parents (or extended family, not that those exist to the extent they used to). How do we fix this? Do we have the money to train new parents on how to prepare the
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See this post a little ways down for an immediate example of the knee-jerk reaction to which I refer:
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4505723&cid=45570819 [slashdot.org]
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The US has to spend more on education because it spends so much less on providing a decent quality of life for overwhelming numbers of children outside school. Lack of living wage and labor protections, along with a generally terrible social safety net and public commons, means that millions of kids arrive at the school door in no condition to learn. When you can't afford nutritious meals at home, regular healthcare, or a clean and calm environment to sleep in, or access to extra-curricular educational and
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Yes, because Hungary, Slovenia, Estonia, Czech Republic, and China (Hong Kong) are all known to have higher standards of living then the regular Joe's in the US.
Perhaps there is something else involved like the family units or even cultures in some US areas or even among certain people?
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Family social conditions are certainly a big part of this --- and the US ultra-Capitalist system has been extremely destructive of family structures compared to more civilized countries. Forcing parents to work multiple minimum-wage jobs, with ever-changing erratic hours, does not permit for a stable family life --- you're not at home with the kids when you're working 80 hours a week to keep a home. Nor does the US global-chart-topping incarceration rate, for minor or non-existing offenses, which results in
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Not to mention the safety nets encourage single parent families by doling out benefits disproportionatly for single parents verses families. This is even true with the ACA where people claimed they are considering a divorce because their combined income as a family did not qualify for federal subsidies where theirr indevidual incomes did. Then there is the trophy culture of some who think the number of kids you claim means you are a man verses raising them like men traditionally had to.
I know you are workin
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Try looking at the differences in implementation. Of course placing cameras in the houses of children to monitor their behavior like in england would be unnaceptable but those other countries do things differently. So try looking at the situation and actually thinking before jumping to far right propaganda as excuses yo be intelectually lazy.
Grab some footage from the 1980's ... (Score:3)
Seriously. Even though I'm sure there are some great uses of technology in schools today, the education systems that I have worked with made two critical mistakes.
1. Deciding that technology should be integrated into the classroom, rather than being a dedicated subject. In theory, this sounds great. In practice, very few teachers have computer skills beyond word processing and web browsing. This means that kids are typically exposed to computers as writing and research tools, but little else within the core curriculum.
2. Promoting a philosophy that kids know more and are more adaptable to emerging technologies. This is only true because schools are unwilling to hire people with the skills necessary to teach courses using the contemporary tools. Even then a teacher with a couple of hours of professional development will have more computer skills than most children because adults have a nasty tendency to confuse seat time with proficiency.
Don't get me wrong. I'm confident that some great videos will come out of this competition. There are excellent teachers and teachers who excel at integrating technology into the curriculum. But I would not take these videos as representing the norm. They are actually representing an idea.
We don't work for the White House (Score:1)
The #1 lesson in "good citizenship" you seem to treasure for our children, is how to say "piss off" to self-important government bureaucrats.
Piss off.
Sincerely,
ChipMonk
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What does this have to do with liberals?
Education has been a battle ground in the culture wars for decades in the United States, especially in California where education and government policy regarding it has been the source of much strife between those who favor parental choice and private education and those who favor government control, higher taxes and limitation of private options. In California we spend over half of the entire annual budget on education and hardly an election goes by without school bond measures and other education related
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Technology is a solution that liberals love to apply to education for three reasons. First, it's high tech and anything tech related in education makes the person who suggested it look smart. Second, it distracts attention from the unholy alliance that exists between the teachers' unions and the Democratic Party by suggesting that the problem is not poor teaching but rather "low technology" in the classroom. Third and finally, it provides a target at which to throw money which is a favorite liberal "solution" to any problem, never mind the outcomes because it's the good thoughts and intentions, not results, that count.
Actually, most teacher's unions would just prefer the money be spent on hiring more teachers. Regardless of what class sizes actually are (and regardless of all the evidence that suggest class size isn't all that important relative to other factors), a union's top priority will generally be to ensure more money is spent on its rank and file.
While unions are a huge problem in our public education system, they are far from being the only problem.
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Actually, most teacher's unions would just prefer the money be spent on hiring more teachers.
Yes, that's true but more education spending is always desirable from the liberal point of view, even if it's earmarked and cannot be used to hire more teachers, because spending begets more spending and larger budgets in future years which translates into more political power for their constituencies, namely the teachers unions and their fellow travelers in the Democratic Party.
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Technology is not going to fix the problem of parents not being involved in their children's education.
There is no public policy remedy for a lack of parental involvement. Public policy can change the way in which we hire and fire teachers. Public policy can set curriculum and determine what sort of things we test for. The sort of technology schools purchase can be set by public policy. You can blame the parents all you want, but that will never accomplish anything since it is outside the realm of problems that are solvable.