Designer Creates a Water Bottle That You Can Eat 171
Diggester (2492316) writes "Rodrigo García González has been working on the Ooho water bottle for the past few years. The bottle is made out of edible materials, looks like a jellyfish, and has the potential to put an end to the bottled water industry. Inspired by the juice-filled pearls added to bubble tea and the mad-cuisine creations of chef Ferran Adriá, who uses a technique known as sheperification (encasing liquid into edible membranes), García is on his way to revolutionizing the bottled water industry."
You say sheperification, I say spherification (Score:3)
Let's call the whole thing off.
Huh? (Score:2, Interesting)
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refilling plastic bottles in public places spreads diseases. our work place had 4 water coolers on each floor and they had to be regularly sanitized because people were getting ill from refilling their bottles
Not to mention the long-term effects of BPA exposure. If you don't know about this, I'd recommend researching it.
Besides, I think stainless steel just looks better and I know I'm not going to break it. When you have and regularly use an electric kettle anyway, you can quickly sanitize a steel container too.
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BPA Free water bottles are common place now.
Except that it appears the BPA alternatives they created as replacements can be just as bad, and sometimes worse. http://www.motherjones.com/env... [motherjones.com]
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BPA is harmless. It's toxic at levels far above normal intake and concentration in the blood. BPA-Free polycarbonate now uses BPS, which is exactly as toxic as BPA but leaches at a rate 20 times that of BPA. It breaks the toxicity barrier with gusto, so enjoy your new toxic world.
Water bottles are most often PET or LDPE. These plastics aren't made with BPA or any analog.
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Informative)
BPA is harmless. It's toxic at levels far above normal intake and concentration in the blood. BPA-Free polycarbonate now uses BPS, which is exactly as toxic as BPA but leaches at a rate 20 times that of BPA. It breaks the toxicity barrier with gusto, so enjoy your new toxic world.
Water bottles are most often PET or LDPE. These plastics aren't made with BPA or any analog.
It's not just humans. You may find this interesting [opb.org] to read, as well as this [nih.gov]. Male fish are definitely not supposed to have female characteristics.
As far as humans are concerned, you may find this an interesting read [sciencedaily.com]. It indicates that humans may be more susceptible to such endocrine disruptors (like BPA) than previous studied using rodents initially indicated.
So then we're back to what constitutes good decision-making. Fact: I have no overriding reason why I absolutely must use containers made with BPA. Fact: not only are alternatives to such containers readily available, I also happen to like them better for aesthetic and durability reasons. Conclusion: exposing myself to BPA is an unnecessary risk.
Still, if you think it's harmless you are free to continue using it. At one time people were told (by doctors no less) that cigarettes were beneficial. Now if I had some dire need (as in my life and well-being absolutely depended on it) to use BPA-containing plastics, perhaps I'd take my chances. But I don't.
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If I had to choose between Bisphenol A ("BPA") and Bisphenol S ("BPS") based on the chemistry, I would choose BPS. Why? BPA is a synthetic organic compound with a dimethylmethylene group, whereas BPS is a regular organic compound with a sulfonyl group. 4,4'-(propane-2,2-diyl)diphenol and 4,4'-Sulfonyldiphenol respectively.
2 C6H5OH + H2SO4 (C6H4OH)2SO2 + 2 H2O
Why do you say BPS leeches more?
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That should have read: 2 C6H5OH + H2SO4 -> (C6H4OH)2SO2 + 2 H2O
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Fact: Polycarbonate is made using bisphenol. BPS leeches much more than BPA. BPA-Free polycarbonate uses BPS, so banning BPA will expose us to greater toxins. Enjoy your toxic non-BPA baby bottles.
Actually as I said in another post in this same discussion, my preference is for stainless steel containers. No plastic -> no need for plastic softeners -> no exposure to BPA or any other chemical serving its purpose.
But many people here do feel a need to show everyone how clever they are and how dumb everyone else is, even if they have to make baseless assumptions to try it, don't they?
Re:people were getting ill (Score:2)
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Ah, economics then.
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Years ago I would get sick a lot such that I had to throw up. I would get horrible sewer odor belches as part of the process. I think it's what people politely call "stomach flu". It took me a long time to realize it was because of the plastic cup I was using.
But it wasn't because of "diseases", it was because of mildew growing in the damp narrow bit under the lid where it snapped onto the rest of the cup. That stuff WILL make me throw up if I ingest it. It was just too hard to keep clean. So now I normall
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Pray tell how in the actual fuck sanitizing the *cooler* helped with people getting sick from their *bottles*?
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Most likely they just needed to be cleaned periodically anyway due to always being damp, and someone who didn't understand what was happening heard that refilling water bottles is unhealthy. So, they made up that the coolers needed cleaning bec
Pointless? (Score:5, Insightful)
How
can I refill it?
how do I drink half a unit?
how do I keep the outside clean enough to eat?
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Salt is edible but not bio-degradable.
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False. Any salt is easily reduced to its component ions by exposing it to water.
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Yes, in salt water you DO have free sodium and chlorine ions floating around. That's exactly what you have. Sodium (Na+) and Chlorine (Cl-) ions, that is. They are not molecules at this point. Boil off the water and the ionic bonds reform, recreating crystalline salt (NaCl).
Yes, at least one person around here definitely needs to review their chemistry notes. :)
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it's a water condom.
wouldn't want to eat that.
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How are you supposed to consume the water without eating the sphere?
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Stick a straw in it. Presumably if you can eat it, it is rather easily punctured.
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you're not supposed to refill plastic water bottles
water breeds bacteria build up. i recycle mine. which in NYC means an old chinese lady takes it out of the garbage dump and takes it to the machine for $.05
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you're not supposed to refill plastic water bottles
water breeds bacteria build up.
Daiso (online, Serramonte Plaza, Japan, etc) has "PET BOTTLE WASHER" brushes which are not for pet bottles, but for PET bottles — polyethylene. They have very soft bristles. They're probably just meant for making your trash spotless and clean before recycling, but you could use them for bottle reuse. But you can reuse a drinking vessel two or three times in rapid succession without any notable biofilm buildup, anyway.
Re:Pointless? (Score:4, Insightful)
you're not supposed to refill plastic water bottles
Yes, there was a Danish study of this. A repeatedly refilled water bottle has a much higher level of bacteria etc. than tap water.
It's still cleaner than regular bottled water, though.
Turns out, all that bottled water sitting still at room temperature for months before purchase doesn't do anything for the water quality. Being a Danish study, all of the above assumes you have clean tap water, of course. YMMV.
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That bacteria comes from your own mouth though (transferred as you drink from the bottle). While they'll grow to the point where you can smell them if left long enough, it's hardly a rationale for not refilling your own bottle. Unless you're in the habit of injecting a sugar or nutrient solution into your water bottle, I can guarantee you your mouth has higher levels of bacter
Re:Pointless? (Score:5, Insightful)
Better yet, for most of the first world, just drink local water. It's idiotic to ship water that comes from a "public source" (aka "the tap") in a city hundreds of miles away.
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Do you live in fracking country? Maybe the tap water was safe at one point.
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And what exactly happened to you? Lose your Slashdot UID? Get allergic to sunlight?
Did something really bad happen and you were forced to buy an iPad?
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I envisioned them as being rather like large tapioca pearls filled with water, and that they way you would "drink" them would be to pop a handful into your mouth and chew.
OTOH, "looks rather like a jellyfish" is subject to numerous interpretations. It could be just a floppy thing that come in pint and liter sizes.
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Nope, if I am just on my own, Ill use warm water no soap. If I have guests I will do a proper wash on them. And this answer is for both your questions.. exception is a #2 I will use soap.
You know why so many people get sick? Because people wash their hands too often, you don't build an immune system when you get no bacteria
I honestly don't remember the last time I was sick (besides the common cold), probably over 20 years ago. And I am probably this way because I grew up on a farm with a ton of flies and ot
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Oh, and I have a plastic cup sitting on my desk that I haven't washed in probably close to 2 years (used only for water). Sure there is basically an 1/8 inch layer of built up calcium at the bottom of the cup but I don't care.
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I am not a doctor and this is definitely not medical advice. But If I were worried about bacteria I personally (deciding only for myself) would take a probiotic. About 70% of the immune system is in the gut.
Almost there (Score:5, Funny)
I'm still waiting for someone to invent a reusable water bottle. Then the bottled water industry will really be finished.
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I can't believe that people would rather spend $1 on a bottle of water then fill it up from their own tap for less than a penny.
Well first, most tap water is fucking horrible and most people aren't qualified to install a water filter, because they are useless lames whose only skill involves filing cabinets, or selling people shit they don't need, or one of many skills which have only been developed to support someone else's greed and are based on inefficiency and waste in our society. And second, you don't have access to your tap while you're not home, HTH HAND.
I personally have installed an RO filter (any monkey with a crescent wre
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Stainless steel is a filthy metal [typinganimal.net] unless you're using the newer silver-coated stuff. [smartplanet.com]
Seems a shame to use water from an expensive reverse osmosis filter in an inherently disease-friendly container - why not use a nice glass bottle, or a silver or copper one if you're worried about breakage?
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Seems a shame to use water from an expensive reverse osmosis filter in an inherently disease-friendly container - why not use a nice glass bottle, or a silver or copper one if you're worried about breakage?
Besides being expensive, silver and copper are shitty materials for water bottles due to their malleability, as is glass when you're out of the house. I drink from glass at home. For $3 I bought two brushes from Daiso which have a spinning handle so that you just sort of twirl them around and they spin inside the bottle. I line a half-dozen bottles up on the counter and wash them all in series.
Glass builds up biofilm too, in practice only about twice as slow as stainless. The klean kanteen wasn't designed t
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I am so glad I don't have a reverse-osmosis system. Besides the 95% water waste, it removes all the good stuff from the water. Horrible stuff.
I am so glad I don't have treated water. Besides the energy waste, it removes all the good stuff that might harm me from the water. Horrible stuff. I love amoeba. Wait, is that what you just said? There must be an echo in here.
My water comes out of a well and the water waste goes into a septic system whose leachfield is in my front yard. The deer come by periodically and eat the grass that grows over it. I maintain the water system. I also manage to get plenty of salts in my diet via food, to which I apply
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Carbon filter and UV FTW. I like calcium and magnesium carbonate in my water. What gives Bass Pale Ale its unique flavor is a ridiculously high carbonate content in Sheffield water (which they now truck in; they used to brew right next to the spring).
I would totally move somewhere with a well and an exceedingly high content of carbonate in the ground water.
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Sure, but people could just install a simple cartridge filter under their sink that would remove 99.99% (and then some more nines, probably) of everything including heavy metals, VOCs, and chlorine. I just happen to have a more complicated filter, and it's still simple enough for a monkey to install, if that monkey knows how to turn a wrench.
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Surely even a complete idiot can manage one of those pitchers with the water filter in it. Or a filter that replaces the aerator on the sink.
Re:Almost there (Score:5, Funny)
You know if you take the position that people who can't do what you can must therefore be useless and lame, then that means the only things that you can do just barely require mediocrity.
The thing is, anyone who can read and follow instructions can install an under-sink water filter. It's not fucking rocket surgery. The only people who can't do it are people who have been convinced that they can't do it, or people with no arms. Even some of them could probably manage it, but I'll go ahead and accept that they are probably in the minority.
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I suspect it's true, but only for systems with a post-RO carbon filter. THAT particular filter will all too commonly go unchanged. The same is true of fridge filters.
The problem arises when you use a carbon filter with water which is not chlorinated. The chlorine coming into the filter kills the bacteria that love to live in the carbon filter. It's not the RO filter itself, which is made of very smooth plastic and which is constantly backflushed when operating correctly.
An intelligently-designed system, if
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If you're talking about a real reverse osmosis (RO) system, then they are anything but simple. I have one on my sailboat (actually two of them). They are entertaining collections of hoses and wires and little computer gizmos and switches. Hours of geeky entertainment, but hardly plug and play. And contamination is an issue for any collection of hoses and pipes. I pull the filters out of the system and chlorine flush them twice a year. They have little tiny UV lights to zap the water.
If I had paying pa
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If you're talking about a real reverse osmosis (RO) system, then they are anything but simple.
I don't know anything about how marine systems differ, but typical terrestrial systems are dead simple, and don't require any electricity.
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I don't get it either and really pissed me off as such a waste since you know most poeple are throwing it in the trash instead of putting in recycling. Now I don't use tap water for my regular drinking water as I don't particularly like the taste, so I instead have a water cooler which costs about 26 cents a litre however it is spring water so it tastes really good. So while it is still expensive I don't feel quite as bad since it doesn't cost near as much as bottled water and they reuse them. I just can't
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Many years ago, recycling came to the area I live.
So, they started with the "we want you to recycle, since it'll reduce the cost of waste disposal".
Then they gave out the free recycle bins, to help make it easier for them to do the recycling.
Alright, reasonable enough, we began recycling.
Then they tacked a recycling fee onto our waste disposal fee. So rather than reduce the cost of waste disposal, recycling INCREASE
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Well, first thing they did was spend a great deal of money convincing everyone that tap water tasted bad.
Once you've got people convinced that the tap water tastes bad, it's not hard convincing them that YOUR water tastes good (even if it's Dasani - tap water run through a filter).
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It is amazing. People buying what usually turns out to be charcoal filtered tap water for more than gas costs. For a month's worth, they could buy a good water filter.
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Ozarka is very good. I can't buy it around here. I actually buy my water from Aldi and pay just over 10 cents per half liter bottle. I just can't stand tap water. I can't even stand the taste of water out of a re-usable bottle (plastic or stainless steel), because it picks up bad flavors.
But why... (Score:2)
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Yes there is, it just delays having to deal with that waste by a few hours.
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Or a few minutes, depending on just how edible the thing is...
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Contamination (Score:5, Insightful)
So, for the bottle to be edible, it's going to have a removable, non-edible outer wrapping to protect it from contamination during the shipping, handling, and sales process. That means you've just moved the problem one layer out. You're still going to be generating waste.
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From TFA the technique is already in use with some yogurt. You buy a box of yogurt "balls" that are edible, flavored, and filled with yogurt. When you pack your lunch for school or work you simply grab a ball of yogurt out of the box instead of a yogurt in an individual plastic container. Presumably the box is easier to recycle then the plastic containers.
This is interesting in the sense that it generates LESS waste and the waste it generates is biodegradable. The "container" is something from brown algae so I guess you could just compost the thing, much like an eggshell...
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This is interesting in the sense that it generates LESS waste and the waste it generates is biodegradable. The "container" is something from brown algae
...and nobody wants to drink from it except kids who don't care if they wind up wearing the contents. We already have compostable plastic bottles made from algae. This "solves" a problem which has already been solved in a superior fashion.
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This "solves" a problem which has already been solved in a superior fashion.
I'll bet the first solution wasn't patentable and the newer one is.
Progress!
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Which is why we'd have to change from "garbage" collection to "compost heap collection"
Composting requires things like exposure to air, sun, and turning. Output is soil.
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Not worried about the water bottle companies (Score:2)
I can tell if this is sad or hilarious (Score:2)
and has the potential to put an end to the bottled water industry.
Yeah, right. (Score:2)
except all the flaws (Score:2)
Wrong application of the technology (Score:2)
The bottle is made out of edible materials
They could make a lot more money if they used the edible materials to make bongs.
How much did they pay you, Slashdot? (Score:3)
This is not going to kill the bottled water industry, it's not going to do anything, it's some sort of joke at best and rediculous at worst. You'd have to package the damned thing in order to ship them to stores and the packaging would cancel out the lack of a plastic bottle. Instead of zero-calorie water you're drinking, now there's some weird substance containing it that you're supposed to eat? Who the hell would want that, people who buy bottled water want water, not some weird 'alginate' snack! What about this 'alignate'? Since it's edible, won't it also have a shelf life? Won't it go bad long before the water it's containing and have to be discarded? Isn't that also kind of stupid in and of itself? So far as 'solutions looking for a problem' this scores pretty high, even if I personally think that bottled water is a scam and people should just get their own refillable bottle instead.
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People don't eat the bottle. Dogs, birds, bugs, rats, squirrels, etc. eat the bottle.
It's not about feeding people, it's about preventing a ton of non-degradable plastic from filling up our land fills.,
As for shelf life, you keep it in the refrigerator at a convenience store. There may be a small shelf life problem, but it greatly solves the garbage dump life problem.
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I'm sure bottled water are quaking in their boots (Score:2)
as the potential to put an end to the bottled water industry
ORLY?
How strong is it? How easily gripped is it while running or cycling? Can you refill it? Can you reseal it? Can you drink it without dribbling all over the table?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Sold!
This not supposed to be eaten by humans (Score:2)
The point of making it edible is not so that humans can eat it, but instead so that after we finish drinking from it we can throw it on the ground and let birds, dogs, bus, etc eat it. No outer layer needed.
That said, this concept still needs a lot more work before it goes into production
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say what? (Score:2)
In an ideal world, Ooho would replace the 50 billion plastic bottles that Americans consume each year.
Sorry, but I've never consumed a plastic bottle.
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They'll sell them in blister packs.
Not merely 'not completely perfect'. (Score:5, Informative)
The current concept is extremely far from being even slightly practical..
-It's uselessly tiny
-They can't make a video where someone manages to drink from it without spilling it all over the place.
-It's so fragile that it can't reasonably be used on its own.
-It costs 33% the cost of a gigantic bottle to produce, but contains far less than 33% of the volume of water. Cost per unit of water is way high before ignoring how a plastic bottle can be re-used.
Basically the only thing it has going for it is that it will break down nearly instantly in trash. The problem is we already have materials from which we *can* make a water bottle from that in fact would probably work better than this concept that already can be friendly enough to the environment. The problem is they still aren't practical and can't be used because they lack the durability.
This concept is a warm fuzzy with zero value over the current possibilities. It doesn't merely have 'kinks' to work out before it can be used, it's just fundamentally flawed as a concept.
Bottled drinks are a problem, but this is not going to provide a solution.
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Also, the process only works if the water is frozen. That takes about 120 Watt-hours per liter of water. If the entire bottled water industry were converted to this process, that's about 3.6 billion kilowatt-hours used to produce bottles, or about 5% of the total world electricity usage.
I'd say this process needs some improvement before it will make the world a better place.
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It's supposed to say sherparification: it's based on the same principle as getting a Nepalese guide to carry your water.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... [wikipedia.org]
I would have linked to their website, but it's a fucking Flash-only blob.
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Because apparently everyone thinks the only useful feature of a bottle is "lets you hold liquids in your hand."
The whole "resealing" thing is kind of useful, if you can't or don't want to finish your water in one sip.
There's also the thing where you can handle them with dirty hands and the inside stays sanitary.
But as long as you don't care about any of the pertinent features of bottles, sure, this is a "bottle."
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I highly doubt they'd base a patent on any broad claim, when they clearly have a working prototype that isn't made of wax.
It's not out of the realm of possiblity.. (Score:2)
I mean, really, can they make it so delicious that you WANT to eat it? I seriously doubt it.
I used to eat this type of candy [wikipedia.org] when I was a kid. The wrapper was not so delicious, but it was mildly sweet and added a slight "gummy" candy experience when you got saliva over it, so most kids actually WANTED to eat it (not that it was the most sanitary thing to do).
FWIW, it was not unlike the edible rice paper that many folks use to keep macaroons from sticking to a baking sheet or that cake decorators use in conjunction with printers for edible paper [amazon.com]...
Of course rice paper isn't remotely water proof, b