Organic Cat Litter May Have Caused Nuclear Waste Accident 174
mdsolar (1045926) writes in with a story about how important buying the right kind of kitty litter can be. "In February, a 55-gallon drum of radioactive waste burst open inside America's only nuclear dump, in New Mexico. Now investigators believe the cause may have been a pet store purchase gone bad. 'It was the wrong kitty litter,' says James Conca, a geochemist in Richland, Wash., who has spent decades in the nuclear waste business. It turns out there's more to cat litter than you think. It can soak up urine, but it's just as good at absorbing radioactive material. 'It actually works well both in the home litter box as well as the radiochemistry laboratory,' says Conca, who is not directly involved in the current investigation. Cat litter has been used for years to dispose of nuclear waste. Dump it into a drum of sludge and it will stabilize volatile radioactive chemicals. The litter prevents it from reacting with the environment. And this is what contractors at Los Alamos National Laboratory were doing as they packed Cold War-era waste for shipment to the dump. But at some point, they decided to make a switch, from clay to organic. 'Now that might sound nice, you're trying to be green and all that, but the organic kitty litters are organic,' says Conca. Organic litter is made of plant material, which is full of chemical compounds that can react with the nuclear waste. 'They actually are just fuel, and so they're the wrong thing to add,' he says. Investigators now believe the litter and waste caused the drum to slowly heat up 'sort of like a slow burn charcoal briquette instead of an actual bomb.' After it arrived at the dump, it burst."
More Cold War Waste (Score:5, Informative)
Unlike chemical from many industries that are dumped in many places with much less control, this is an example of quick recognition and response to a problem. Cold war nuclear waste comes in all kinds of nasty liquid, solid, and semi-solid forms and will continue to bring challenges as the slow cleanup slog continues.
Of course, this slashdot submission is one of an ongoing number of agenda driven submissions that intends to obfuscate the challenges of cold ware era defense program neglect with commercial nuclear power. Fortunately, most slashdot readers pick up on the obvious.
More Cold War Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
It is absolutely an agenda submission. It even looks to me like it's trying to be critical of the organic movement. I'll reserve my opinion of that kind of thing, but in this case, "organic" means what it actually means, not the hippie non-term it has become. I'd rather they say it was because they switched from clay-based to plant-based kitty litter. The risks of this should have been obvious to someone working with radioactive disposal.
More Cold War Waste (Score:4, Insightful)
Not to mention, it wasn't the kitty litter that caused this.
Newsflash: If you work with nuclear waste, don't go around changing the recipes without asking your boss!
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We have tried a few kinds now and our cat has never seemed to dislike any of them in particular. The problem with most of this stuff is its too light. That is great when you are bringing in a massive bag of it, but it means the individual litter particles are light too and get EVERYWHERE.
Our most recent attempt has been some stuff that is comrpessed into small pellets that break down into more of a powder in the box as its being used. That stuff is much better at stayin in the litter box and the pad in fron
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Same experience here... There were turds in all these hidden locations, because the cat knew I would be upset about it... and the cat was always so guilty looking and skittish (normally greets me like a dog) when I would come home to a fresh one. So I didn't even find out about the clumping or odor control. It doesn't seem like they even tested the product before going to market.
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We switched from clay to recycled newspaper pellets with great success. The pellets absorb the urine, and the poops just hang out until scooped. Clumping not necessary.
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However since our cats like it just fine i've found it superior in a number of respects. The pine pellets we use are better at odor control, it's much easier to clean the cat pan, and there's no cloud of clay dust when pouring it in. The one aspect that is _not_ so good is that when the pine pellets break down into sawdust the sawdust gets tracked all over. We put a pad under/in front of the cat pan and t
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Agreed!
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As someone who has more knowledge of chemistry than the average man on the street, it's not particularly obvious to me, a priori. OTOH, as someone who walks past waste segregation drums several times a day between the tea shack and my worksite, one of which is dedicated to "oily rags", with signage about the hazard of spontaneous combustion of such oil-soaked rags (oily filters, etc) ... that would have probably red-flagged such a change of proc
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...this is an example of quick recognition and response to a problem.
um, no. How can you call it quick recognition when we're talking about cold-war era waste and products from decades ago and the only reason they realized something was wrong was because of an 'explosion'?
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um, no. How can you call it quick recognition when we're talking about cold-war era waste and products from decades ago and the only reason they realized something was wrong was because of an 'explosion'?
I was talking in terms of the waste facility where the waste is being moved to, not the cleanup sites where it originated.
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The Board identified the root cause to be a failure to fully understand, characterize, and control the radiological hazard among management at WIPP, the operating contractor, and the Carlsbad Field Office.
Not sure why I was modded down for pointing out you were making an assumption without any data. Slashdots seems to be turning into a hangout for believers and ignorant retaliatory tribes.
For you to be even technically correct, they would have had to identify what exactly was the problem, and as anybody who can navigate a website can see, they still aren't sure and they still do not know when their second report on the actual causes will be out.
They did respond quickly though, so that's goo
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If I were to guess why you may have been modded down, it was calling the container failure an "explosion". Of course, its a relative term, but I didn't see anything indicative the force of the breach being characte
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With that said, there is always room for improvement. WIPP people could require more chec
Re:More Cold War Waste (Score:5, Insightful)
...this is an example of quick recognition and response to a problem.
um, no. How can you call it quick recognition when we're talking about cold-war era waste and products from decades ago and the only reason they realized something was wrong was because of an 'explosion'?
It can be called "quick recognition" because it actually was "quick recognition" of a problem that simply didn't happened before the new litter was used.
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oh, do you have a date for when the switch over was?
No, you don't do you. So how can you tell?
No, I don't. But reading the article would give you some indication that it was a relatively recent thing. Reading/comprehension are underrated skills. Then again, so is the ability to spell and proofread properly, judging by my previous post!
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I don't want to get off topi
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You have used "obfuscate" where you should have used "conflate" in your attempt to imply that which you wish us to infer.
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And now I'm going to disagree with your characterization of this story as "...one of an ongoing number of agenda driven submissions...".
It's just a story about "who knew they used kitty litter when storing nuclear waste, much less that it has to be a specific type of kitty litter?".
Unless you're convinced that any time someone says "nuclear waste" without saying "nuclear waste, but the Cold War weapons kind, not the cute, cuddly, super-friendly power plant kind" that it's some kind of conspiracy rather than
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"Unlike chemical from many industries that are dumped in many places with much less control, this is an example of quick recognition and response to a problem."
Quick recognition would be not mixing compostable organic stuff with something that has to be stored for 200.000 years.
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Re:"They have an agenda" have an agenda (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:"They have an agenda" have an agenda (Score:4, Insightful)
Anything I 'discredit' is done without relation to the submitter, his credibility, or lack thereof. I speak to the content of the article and the subject matter. I did not dismiss anything in this article. In the past I have shown how some of the articles submitted by the same person are misleading or dead wrong and many points, and directly from sources that are not credible. This article isn't one of those, but it was one of many written on this event, but one of the few to repetitively use the term "dump".
If you read the comments, these headlines breed confusion. Many people associate this type of waste with nuclear power fuel waste, and its a very different animal. Its a clarification that is perfectly reasonable for someone to make.
So, be specific. What truth don't I like that I am discrediting? Or did you just throw out that accusation with nothing to back it up? I certainly backed up mine.
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It is not an Ad Hominem falacy to point out that the person in question posts many negative nuclear related articles.
From your own quote:
"An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."
It would be ad-hom to say "ignore this because mdsolar has bad morals". It is not ad-hom to say "beware, mdsolar is obsessed with nuclear energy".
I still cant log in! (Score:3, Informative)
You still have a bad cert, Slashdot. What's going on?
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Just trust everyone..
Re:I still cant log in! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is /., not your bank. There is no army of Chinese hackers anxiously waiting for your password so they can assume your identity and become internet superstars. You didn't re-use an important password for /. did you? Just check the IP address for plausibility and accept the expired cert.
That's some astonishingly bad advice.
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low enough in use that nobody uses it.
That's why I use Opera.
Absolute words used in relative manners create some humor.
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"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." - Yogi Berra
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Just check the IP address for plausibility and accept the expired cert.
That would work against men-in-the-middle who used DNS to hack themselves into your communication with slashdot, but not against men-in-the-middle who'd use routing shenanigans.
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Maybe not for my password, but this is /. I could totally see there being a black-market in low numbered accounts.
1099, now that is impressive.
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Yeah, but I didn't even get a lousy tee shirt :-)
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Only those with 1000 or lower got free t-shirts.
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You can make your point without being a pretentious dick. Do so.
If you have to be a pretentious dick while making your point, you'd better make it a really solid post.
If you're capable of positing and posting astutely while completely avoiding the whole pretentious dick thing, well, congratulations... people worthy of your respect are probably enjoying your company.
Old news (Score:2)
Heard it on the radio a couple of days ago.
Got it, lesson learned (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Got it, lesson learned (Score:5, Insightful)
clay is as "green" as it gets, pure natural inert material with practically infinite supply
Re:Got it, lesson learned (Score:5, Informative)
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I'll only point out landfills are started by digging a hole and removing things like clay.
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no, the volume of kitty litter n municipal waste is negligible, it doesn't matter
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you're confused, kitty litter is less than 0.000001% of what goes into any landfill. Also, landfills are filled past ground level
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you're confused, kitty litter is less than 0.000001% of what goes into any landfill. Also, landfills are filled past ground level
According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... [wikipedia.org] about 2 million tons of litter goes to landfill every year, so annual landfill in the USA must be about 2e^14 tons. I think your estimate may be out.
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Why, were they planning the flush the nuclear waste?
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Nice to think that these contracts go to the lowest bidder. I wonder why they went organic as it makes no sense any way you look at it. From a money standpoint it's more expensive. From a practical standpoint it doesn't work as good. It's almost so stupid as to seem like sabotage. If it was the other way around it would make sense as contractors are always looking for a way to shave costs.
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As you say, there isn't any systemic incentive to make the change, and nobody would approve it if it were formally submitted as a change proposal; so some sort of improvising using off-the-shelf litter that was incorrectly lab
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It's difficult to pin this plan on the Republicans when none of the Republicans in the House voted for it.....
Bad Kitty Litter (Score:1)
This must have been very poor quality kitty litter. Given what my evil black cat puts into her cat box, the highest of quality in kitty litter must be obtained to prevent a similar explosion.
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I'll just mention this, never, ever snort Pop-Rocks.
As Cartman would say... (Score:1)
"Stupid hippie crap."
I for one welcome... (Score:2)
...dem radioactive urine-packin' kittehz.
Yeah Kittehz!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/ab9... [tumblr.com]
Well Duh! (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because a material has a everyday name, it doesn't mean that the original specification didn't have a chemical/mechanical/biological/radiological/whatever reason for specifying it.
If all the material property requirements were met with a commonly available product that didn't require an expensive supply chain, then that's great.
HOWEVER...
I suspect that originally somewhere in the nuclear disposal system, a group identified the need, a solution was found and a materiel was specified. Along the line or through the years, the REASON for that specification was lost to the end of the purchasing chain and the poor sod who orders the stuff was given a directive to "buy sustainably" and substituted the new material without being aware of the original intent.
That person probably wasn't even been aware of the use of the material - they may have though it was used in the kennels for the guard dogs. It's a nuclear material disposal site. Need to know is important. (1) The suppler wouldn't have known, either.
There's lots of complaints of expensive procedures and materials(2), but this is a perfect example of the need for a formal supply chain system with provable provenance. You may BUY a commonly available kitty litter to fulfill the order, but what arrives in the sacks will have to match the specification sheet.
1. Yes, this is irony. The accident may have been prevented if the purchasing officer knew what it was for. Then again, maybe not.
2. Ferrous hammers are a bad idea around strong magnetic fields. If you're in a lab with a MRI or similar and lots of delicate equipment, a hammer to undo the dog on a vacuum chamber had better be a very special hammer. The kind that you can buy today for less than a hundred bucks, but in the 60's had to be engineered from scratch. Thank someone else's R&D for the fact you can buy a (nearly) chemically inert, non-ferrous, non-sparking hammer for a pittance.
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Probably the USN - who was buying chemically inert, non-ferrous, non-sparking hammers for use inside of shipboard ammunition and powder magazines and around various other kinds of ordinance decades before MRI systems became commonplace.
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... a hammer to undo the dog on a vacuum chamber had better be a very special hammer.
$30 wooden** baseball bat. Problem solved.
** Yes, aluminum would work, but I bet the eddy currents generated when you swing it in a 5T magnetic field would either slow it down immensely or make it too hot to hold.
Yes, I'm kidding.
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I was going to say pretty much the same thing. This article isn't really a slam on environmental, or an attack of nuclear, this appears to me to be EXACTLY what you wrote. Purchasing decided to make a change to what was being purchased and didn't understand the reason why something was spec'd as such.
I get regular calls from purchasing because they found something cheaper that they think will work perfectly well as a replacement for part X. Every time we go through the exercise, we find 1 of 3 things:
1)
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Re:In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
May the odds of surviving the nuclear incident be ever in your favor.
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Another 1 line fart from gmhowell.
APK, I thought you killed yourself after stabbing your roommates and shooting the sorority girls.
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Personally ... (Score:2)
Explanation of "reaction" is misleading (Score:4, Informative)
The "organics" did not react with the "nuclear" part of the "nuclear waste", they reacted with the 1% acid that was still in the solution.
A pure chemical reaction.
(Made complicated/ugly by the combustion products carrying away small amounts of nuclear waste, for sure.)
Human error (Score:2)
Claiming that kitty litter caused this is rather like say the Tacoma Bridge collapse [wikipedia.org] was caused by Wind.
The failure in both cases was Human error!
Where do you get the "jet" part from? (Score:5, Insightful)
Jet fuel would be a hydrocarbon. Organic kitty litter would be essentially cellulose, a carbohydrate.
Both are fuels, in that they will combust when heated, unlike clay.
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From the summary:
Organic litter is made of plant material, which is full of chemical compounds that can react with the nuclear waste. 'They actually are just fuel, and so they're the wrong thing to add,' he says. Investigators now believe the litter and waste caused the drum to slowly heat up 'sort of like a slow burn charcoal briquette instead of an actual bomb.' After it arrived at the dump, it burst."
I would love to see an airplane that runs on Organic kitty litter that's full of "chemical compounds", since they actually are just jet fuel.
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Combusting too much organic material, maybe?
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Sure, but how many things AREN'T?
http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php
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The dumbass who wrote "jet fuel" is you.
The word "jet" does not appear in the summary nor does it appear in the article. Nobody else is referring to kitty litter as jet fuel. Just you.
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"They actually are just fuel"
Probably from right there. The story of a bag of Kitty Litter actually being jet fuel would be much more entertaining than this one.
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It's okay, Bartles. Just need a quick check for dyslexia and allow for it in the future.
He's not a moron, jet has a minor reading disability.
I applaud what you did there.
(and would have modded you +1, Funny, if I hadn't already made a previous comment in this thread)
close enough, sugar is ROCKET fuel. Dragsters (Score:2)
Your autocorrect eyes aren't too far off. One common way to make small rockets is sugar as fuel. The sugar is mixed with your choice compound that provides the oxygen.
Let that organic material sit around for a while and airborne yeast will turn some of it into dragster fuel - ethanol.
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Organic cat litters are really just jet fuel?
No, just fuel. Minus the jet. Try putting your reading glasses on. Or whatever.
The stupid is strong with this one.
Oh, the irony.
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fear monger over reacts to single incident to kill an entire industry, good going I have lost a little respect for your cause moron
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I don't know that his cause is to blame. All causes have some idiot followers who jump on the bandwagon without any intellectual thought. Just along for the ride and parroting what he hears instead of thinking and responding intelligently. There are pros and cons to nuclear power but I have to say that this concerns cold war refuse and not modern commercial waste.
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All causes have some idiot followers who jump on the bandwagon without any intellectual thought.
Really? I think I'll define "give dkf lots of money for doing nothing much, so he can spend it on beer and pizza and the other good things in life" as a cause and see how effective that is! Contact me for detailed instructions on how to remit payments.
(I know, it probably won't bring in much, but it also takes so little effort I might as well try.)
Re:Better headline... (Score:4, Insightful)
It's worse than two kinds of concrete.
It's like approving concrete originally, then switching to bamboo fiber mash. Yes, someone should have known better, as they're not even close to the same thing.
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Must have been reasonably hot if it charred the organic matter it was mixed with, and burst the 55 gal drum...
Though I suppose the 'sludge' could have been something along the lines of sulfuric acid (with requisite trace amounts of radioactive bits in it).. that would cook anything organic in there. Of course you'd think they'd be smart enough to neutralize things like that before binning them... Maybe not.
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Beginning over 30 years ago, activities involving separating americium (Am) from old weapons materials generated a moderate amount of transuranic waste contaminated with americium (Am), plutonium, uranium and minor amounts of other radionuclides, and containing various metal-nitrate salts (strong oxidizers), such as (Mg,Ca)(NO3)2 with minor amounts of Fe, Na and K. When dewatered, these hot evaporator bottoms were poured onto a tray, vacuum dried, flashed crystallized, rinsed with cold water and put in bags, where they sat for 30 years.
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It was recommended sometime later that inorganic kitty litter made from silicate minerals be added as a sorbent (widely used in radiochemistry as well as the home litter box), but also to dissipate heat and generally mitigate auto-oxidation reactions of the kind we think occurred in these drums in WIPP. Anhydrous citric acid (a reducer) was used to bring the pH down if over-adjusted.
For reasons perhaps related to good intentions, or merely related to dust generation, the inorganic kitty litter was replaced by organic wheat-based litter early on in the process. There were a few other components of not much import in the drums, but additional organic components just added more fuel.
Some decisions regarding these additives are vague and not attributable to a real chemist.
So it seems it was a case of a well meaning idiot making stupid decisions.
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I would ask you to explain what you meant by that post, but I think not.
Where did it go wrong for you? Jesus fuck or Coca-Cola douche?
Nobody was hurt by this incident, nothing was contaminated; the spill (if there was one) was contained and cleaned up.
It seems clear on the order of crystal to anyone not poverty-stricken enough to pay attention that a Coca-Cola douche would release more malevolent material to the environment than this incident.
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one is researched and proven since the 1940's the other is a bunch of dumb fuck teenagers spreading bullshit on the internet
so whats your better plan for a highly absorbent material that congeils toxic waste so it doesnt wash out to your water?
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Somebody obviously didn't get the obvious, or at least didn't draw the obvious conclusions from it.